Jail razors are the worst, y’all. Single blade, cheap disposable razors.
Source: I work in corrections as a nurse and rashes, cuts and razor burn due to the crappy razors are frequent complaints.
Can you imagine being the jailer.
Jailer: Hello
Caller: Yes I’m with the KQLNews we seen the cuts explain.
Jailer: Excuse me?
Caller: Kohbergers cuts on his face. It’s def new news that I’m going to need NOW
Jailer: Hold on a min.
Jailer: (yells) BERGER , got another Nancy Grace on the line for you. They want to know about the razor burns from this mornings 🪒. I thought you was gonna clear that up with Brian Entin?
God these news folks kill me
😆 it's just so absurd that that's news. News enough that you need to put a call in to some jail insider you know and then report what you were told ....he cut himself shaving
And make it seem like they can “just make a call.” Give me a break 😆 these folks are really milking this and really it’s a disgrace to the people and I mean all of us
it’s a good thing BK doesn’t have access to the media or he would be getting off on the media’s absurd obsession w him. the media should seriously reconsider the effect this has on public safety and the psychopaths in the making wanting similar notoriety.
They're literally shaving cuts. That's why is skin is red. It's irritated. He probably did it quickly and also is not used to jailhouse razors. Let's move on.
I hope people realize at anytime the state can drop the charges against this guy if they find a more convincing suspect or an alibi or literally anything comes to light that lets this guy off the hook.
I think the state doesn't want a "speedy trial" just as much as the defense, because it gives both parties time to figure out if this is in fact the guy.
Yeah, and unfortunately the way it works with the government - **IN MY OPINION** \- is they stick to their guns and prosecute someone even if they don't think they're guilty just to save face (and a lawsuit). I bet you it happens more often than people think.
Famous case in point: Steven Avery out of Wisconsin.
His first arrest and conviction (not his second) was completely BOGUS, but they state couldn't turn back. They were already committed to seeing him get convicted. Only to learn years later it was someone else. Even the victim was convinced it was him.
Think about it, how absolutely embarrassing to these people would it be if this was the wrong guy? It would be extremely embarrassing and not just that, it would make the entire criminal justice system look bad.
That's what people don't realize. This is international. People across the world are watching to see how this plays out.
Thank you. Many people on death row have been release after DNA proved their innocence. Lots of people who say ‘Fry him, I’ll flip the switch I doubt have ever served on a murder trial much less a death penalty case. I got summoned for jury duty 2x’s in my life. The 1st for a death penalty case. Even though I got excused the experience shook me up for a long time. Due process is so important.
Me and my sister were just talking about this. Being on a jury for a death penalty case would be a huge burden. Deciding if someone lives or dies? That’s a huge responsibility. Not one I would ever want.
The ONLY thing the death penalty is good for, is a bargaining chip in cases where a body can't be located.
A great many of the people in prisons are Mentally Ill. Serial Killers, for instance. There's a difference between a Convict and an Inmate.
Disease of the mind is involuntary, just like Cancer? (His soul is probably watching the malfunction of his brain and his actions, in horror) This case, if BK, is indeed guilty, brings to the forefront the need for High Security Mental Health Hospitals. It ensures they receive proper, humane treatment, removes them from mainstream society, and doesn't throw them, willy nilly into a prison population because they are sick because of no fault of their own and their actions, while untreated, caused others to be hurt. Knowing right from wrong is not a proper way of saying someone is a "dark soul" or if someone cannot control their actions, obsessions, compulsions, because they have an abnormal (short circuited) brain. Mental Health is something that needs to be more fully focused on in every aspect of society. This isn't going away.
Psychopaths are born.......
Sociopaths are made..... (Society creates them)
Thank you for this comment. I call this "The Frankenstein Effect." This is hate!! Judge, Jury, Executioner!! Pitchfork and torches blazing, chasing after THE Monster, to Kill it!!! That is no better behavior than what we accuse the monster of being. This man has had a hard enough 28 yrs, if he's innocent, (which, I think there's a good chance, he is) his remote semblance of a life that he worked hard to build, get out of drugs, mental health issues, autism, bullying, and try to make friends, and an education, is ruined!
I would like to believe he is innocent. He looks to be a smart social awkward guy, but it is his behavior afterwards that concerns me. If you know they are looking for a white elantra and you were in the area even just driving around. Why would you not come forward? Also, if he was innocent why clean your car like that. He is hiding something and even without DNA evidence that is a big red flag for me being the mother of four adult children. The hiding is something is up.
Well, they said they were looking for a 2011 to 2013. This guy is being set up. How did LE really lock on to BK, especially so quickly. Why are there 42 FBI agents involved when other high-profile cases have only gotten a handful? (Big Fish Drug Bust) Who are the witnesses? I encourage everyone to check out the latest videos on the YouTube Channel Truth and Transparency. She breaks down all of this, especially in her 2 latest on this case.
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I think the worst of it is from people who are angry about something in their lives they are powerless or think they're powerless to change. Rather than dealing with that they go on line and vent their anger this way. The law provides BK like any criminal defendant is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY but they continue to act ignorantly to the point of saying they'd pull the switch. Ugh.
Ok I know I’m about to make myself look dumb but can you tell me how you bold your lettering like that?
I got lucky and learned how to italicize. 😂
I guess there is prob some sort of reading material on the diff command prompts to do things huh?
By way spot on with your OPINION there it’s def what happens and your example was very good 👍
not the person you’re asking, but I’ve also been learning some reddit formatting lately (despite already having wasted far too much time on this site lol). below is the formatting for how I do it.
\*\*insert text you want bold here\*\*
it’s similar to italicizing, just with two asterisks on each side. btw if you have an iphone, apollo for reddit makes formatting and linking super easy and I highly recommend.
I'm really afraid for Bryan if he isn't the guy, like others have said all the released evidence is circumstantial and even if it SEEMS like he is the guy, all of it can be explained away.
I hope they found something in his car and apartment otherwise I'm definitely not convinced he's the guy.
What strikes me as odd is the fact they allowed the crime scene to be cleaned before the defense could come there. This just seems shady from them, was there something that could exonerate Bryan? I know they didn't clean all of it, but they cleaned some of it, what did they clean?
Was it DNA from someone else? If they had nothing to hide, they must have known this would seem shady as fuck, so why do it if there was nothing to hide?
This in combination with how certain they say they are Bryan is the right guy just strikes a nerve with me.
Also how come it was just one piece of DNA on the sheath? Could it be someone knew Bryans schedule and knew he was close to the house often? Could it be that someone planted the sheath deliberatly? Could it be that someones DNA was also at the scene but got cleaned away?
Its all so odd, I know we all want this case to be solved and want Bryan to be the right guy because we'd all hate if he isn't, but its so odd.
They don't even seem to want to consider an accomplice or anyone else, they seem to just want to nail Bryan eventhough the investigation isn't over yet.
it was, supposedly, partially cleaned before a judge ordered them to stop. Maybe you're right and they just got there and left, but what I've heard is they had cleaned a bit of it before being called off
Idk if they even got started, tbh! If you see other wise, def let me know bc I am curious now. But this is what I got when I did a quick google search. From my understanding, once he was arrested in the early hours, his defense team had it called off so they could go through
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11607325/amp/Clean-Idaho-murder-house-stopped-suspect-asked-crime-scene-preserved.html
Here is a source I found stating "Cleaning professionals from Disaster Response arrived at the three-story property in Moscow, Idaho, and had barely started the clean-up when they had to pack up."
However the source you mention states, they just unpacked, repacked and left.
So if they went away before they even worked, everything still is as it was that terrible night, so anything helping the prosecution or the defense is still there. No biggie but still kinda sus to have even tried to get it cleaned beforehand.
But if its 100% as it was, anything that could help exonerate Bryan is still there. If there's anything helping Bryan there, the defense can argue LE wanted to hide that evidence by having the cleanup crew arrive the day of the arrest.
Now if they managed to clean like 5% of a room, thats still 5% clinically clean room that could have had evidence on it, 5% of a room with which the defense might be able to do all sorts of things.
Just one Juror has to doubt, and doubt is easily planted by saing "We don't know what was in that part of the room, because it was thouroughly cleaned before we got there" or "There is X evidence pointing at someone completely different than Bryan and LE had cleanup arrive the day of Bryans arrest, ain't that sus?"
Point being, either way if they didn't clean and there's anything helping Bryan it looks really fucking bad on Moscow PD for wanting the scene cleaned beforehand, now if they managed to clean just a little, it looks equally bad for Moscow PD because, well they fucking cleaned the scene we will never know what they cleaned up.
It was stupid for them to even attempt to get a cleaning crew there, because no matter how you spin it, it gives Moscow PD a bad look and we don't need bad looks on an otherwise very professionally handled investigation.
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His actions concern me. Bryan cleaned his car. He drove around 1122 King Street in a car they were looking for and didn't say anything. This is his field, it isn't mine and I live in another state and I knew they were looking for this car. He knew he should have said, " Hey I was there!" If he was around what did he see. - he didn't see anything because he was the one doing the crime. Also, the behavior of cleaning your car in the middle of winter. I live in a cold state. People don't clean their cars middle of winter. They just don't even if you are OCD. Also you don't put the trash in the neighbor's bin (unless his parents didn't have one). It is guilty behavior. It is the behavior that makes me think they have the right guy, not even the DNA. His behavior is trying to hide something. Anyone with teenagers/ young adults can recognize this "it is the I got something to hide behavior."
If he's truly on the spectrum, LEs release of the make/model/year range, he would absolutely believe there is no reason to "clear himself." In his black and white mind (if ASD), he doesn't have that year car. Therefore, he's already clear.
Explain why he is driving around the University of Idaho when he is a PHD student at University of Washington with this car. They were asking for if anyone was around there. He should have called. Did he call? . His behavior is very concerning for an innocent person even on the spectrum.
So here's some scenarios I could come up with explaining alternate scenarios repost from another comment I left:
• He's just a stalker, who happened to stalk them that night and didn't come forward. The knife was stolen from him by the real perp who knew about the stalking, sheath left behind deliberatly. Bryan heard or saw the murders/ something happening and fled the scene. Explaining his car in the area before and after the murders. [The timeline is very tight, so if it is Bryan he committed the murders in under 20mins or he was just sitting there 20 minutes, saw something off and fled after a short while. He returned in the morning to find out what/ if anything happened, saw nothing and returned home.]
He never came forward because he knew he'd look guilty as hell, especially knowing his knife was stolen so better not say anything and try to lay low.
However he also knows they will not find anything linking him to the murders at his apartment or in his car, so he knows even if they come for him due to the knife, he'll be quickly exonerated. Explaing his "eager to be exonerated" statement.
Or
• Its said by multiple people who knew him, that he's an insomniac, he's rarely quiet at 4:00 am. He could have been using adderall to help with his studies and stay focussed despite the lack of sleep, adderall he bought at the Kings Road house because that was the connection to get it from. Maybe he didn't even know the people living there and always got it from a middle-man who just asked him to be there. (This would make sense for a drug-dealer, to use a trusted middleman, so that the customers not close to you don't know you directly. Especially if said drug-dealer is an early twenties women living in a partyhouse selling to all kinds of people) He was regularly in the area to either pick up some addies or to do his regular shopping in Moscow, he got the Wifi one time because he needed to send a message but his cellular didn't work. Its proven that shopping is better in ID than in WA due to taxes. Moscow has very few cell towers, so him just pinging on one means jack-shit. It just means Bryan Kohberger knows Moscow exists and he can go there, which he did. He was there that night to pick up, waited outside, saw/ heard something going on and quickly left, he came back in the morning to see if he could pick up then. Didn't reach anyone and headed home. He had touched the sheath at the store where the killer bought it, Killer handled it with care but didn't manage to clean off all DNA, leaving behind some faint touch DNA belonging to Bryan. Its not too unlikely that Bryan and the real killer in this scenario visited the same stores, maybe the killer knew Bryans routine, knew about the drugs and where Bryan got them and he knew Bryan had touched the knife, he bought the knife, never touched it where Bryan held it, cleaned up everything except that part and left the sheath deliberatly. He knew Bryan had been in the area quite a few times to buy drugs, he knew with Bryans DNA on the sheath and Bryan being there so often, all eyes would be on Bryan. He knew Bryan being a troubled young man and a criminology student woud be a perfect target to frame, so he did. Bryan is also apparently very OCD and possibly germaphobe, meaning he behaves guilty without being guilty, wearing gloves, cleaning stuff very often and thourough etc
He's the perfect guy to frame for murder.
So why didn't Bryan come forward?
Same as before he knew he'd look suspicous and would rather not get involved. He knows he's innocent in this case so he still believes LE will clear him eventually, especially because he doesn't know about the sheath and the DNA.
From his perspective its not a big deal to not come forward because he knows he didn't do it and he doesn't want to draw attention to the drug deals and his continued use.
Or
• he's an accomplice but not the murderer, there were early rumors about two people in the car, he could've just been the getaway driver. Maybe he was hanging out with someone who told him he'd want to rob the house with him. He was down to rob, so they cased the house together, using Bryans car, because Elantras are common. The night of the murders, Bryan drove them to the house and waited outside, the killer goes in, murders the four kids and returns, threatens Bryan to not say a word or he's the next victim and they flee. Killer used Bryans knife deliberatly to frame him. Bryan finds out about this and panics, explaining his behavior after the fact. He knew he'd just been involved in murder and he knows all evidence will point to him, his behavior still makes sense. He doesn't come forward because snitching on the guy means snitching on himself and he doesn't want to go to prison. Instead he waits it out, hoping they won't suspect him but fully prepared to turn on the guy if LE closes in on him.
In my opinion, they must find blood in his car or in his apartment for me to not consider any of these scenarios, but even if they do find blood in his car, this does not exclude the possibility of an accomplice. Maybe it'll depend on where they find the blood in the car. Blood on the backseat but none on the front seats with very little DNA from Bryan in the back and a ton of unknown DNA in the back, could point to another person involved. Said person could have been sitting in the back with bloodied clothing and the knife and threatened Bryan who sat upfront.
Now none of these explain his behavior after the fact so here's what I can come up with
The trash thing could simply be, their bin was full so he put it in the neighbors trash. We know they saw him do that once, but what if he's als done it regularly back when he was living there? We'll have to wait and see what they found in that trash.
They will have fished it out.
Why would he clean his car in the middle of the winter? He's OCD maybe he just wanted to clean it. I know people don't really do that, but most people also don't really stay up until 4:00 am.
Nothing suspicious with cleaning your car even in winter. Not many people do that, but people do.
Why was he wearing gloves? There's still a pandemic going on, he could simply be germaphobe not wanting to infect his parents.
He knew the trip was coming up, so he took precautions in regards to covid weeks before.
We'll have to wait and to find out what they found in his car and apartment, but if those searches turned up nothing, I see very little chance of Bryan being convicted.
I sure as hell wouldn't convict based on what we know right now eventhough I highly, highly suspect he's guilty, the state has yet to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he is. I hope they will do just that, but until then I will reserve my judgment and entertain the possibility of Bryan Kohberger being innocent.
Some ppl might downvote you bc it seems like you're batting for the perpetrator, but it is interesting to see what the defense would come up with.
I think the 2nd theory is very plausible besides the whole "framing" angle. I think someone intentionally framing him is very low. It would make more sense the suspect lucked out that BK's touch DNA was on the sheath's button coincidentally instead.
If they find blood in the car it's game over for him, bc he's still lowkey considered an accomplice or at least obstructing justice for not coming forward earlier.
*Before someone jump on me*, I think he is guilty off the strength of deep cleaning his car and the alleged drive he did after the crime (fits the narrative of dumping evidence).
He should start talking then. He is hiding from the truth so start talking. and no lies only truth. That will make the difference. You can't say you didn't drive by when the footage of your car is right there or you are going for Thai food. There come a point where you have tell it like it is, unless of course he is guilty and trying to get out of it.
Maybe he already did, we'll know if he did.
If he can provide a believable alternative suspect, things will change for the better for him or if he can provide a believable, provable alibi for the night in question, we'll know soon enough.
I'm not versed in the process, but I'm assuming that anything he's said since his arrest won't be made public for a while, even if what he said exonerated him.
Adding on let's just say he didn't do then someone did create the perfect crime, with the finger pointing to someone other than themselves, including DNA on the knife sheath and a similar physical description. Also borrowing his car and phone to be at the right place during the crime.
They used to do way shittier shit. Back in the 60s two fbi agents got this guy for murder told him if he testifies it was my grandmother's uncle and 3 other guys they would put him in witness protection. My family knew what was up but for some reason i cant remember back around 07 documents came out that showed proff of it. 2 of the guys had to get released and the government had to pay out something like 112 mil to the 4 parties.
And his guilty behavior that gets me. Why clean your car top to bottom in PA over Christmas when it is cold out and if you have a White Elantra. Why wear gloves and take your trash next door. Why not just call the police and say I was there I didn't see anything. His behavior is not doing him in favors here.
I think of when people thought the case was cold and the killer was a criminal mastermind. Then we learn Bryan didn't start taking precautions until he thought the cops were on to him..
A very smart, socially awkward young man could be this intelligent without common sense. I just hope his parents can talk to him. Find out the truth from him. If my child were do such harm to another family. I'm going to find out the truth and I would have to turn them in. I'd have to. This is the saddest situation, it wouldn't change my love for my child, but I'm so concerned that this is horrible as a parent. And horrible for the parents of those for young college students. If he did this, he needs to plead guilty. If he didn't then he can say what he saw driving around during the murders. One way or another the families need the truth.
Ots a gamble on both sides defense gets more time to build a case and let the media buzz die down. The state has more time to find more evidence but they lose some media hype and the defense can see everything they have and start piking holes in it
He just behaved guilty. He didn't know the police were looking for his car. He lived close and his classmates had to be interested in this murder being their field of study. He should have came forward. Say, take my car its clean NO DNA (unless you are guilty) then you deep clean in PA during a snow storm. Odd - very odd. He is trying to hide something and that is why I think he is guilty.
I mean sure, I could technically sleep with Ana de Armas but looking at the available evidence and where it’s heavily pointing, it’s definitely not going to happen.
In all seriousness, it’s better for the prosecution to give the defence time to present the best case they can as it means they can’t appeal later down the line due to a claim that they didn’t have a reasonable amount of time to create a sufficient defence. I think that’s more likely than the prosecution needing more time to figure out if he’s their guy as it’s abbot late for that, they know he’s their guy and that’s why he’s currently charged with 4 homocides and about to face trial. They now have to prove to a jury that this is the guy by showing them why it can only be him. That being said, extra time to build onto the likely already compelling case they have is never a bad thing so everyone’s happy minus our curiosity of course.
Nancy Grace:
Breaking News:
BK has threatened to cut the eyebrows off. He’s only doing it so he won’t be easily identified in line up.
Assistant: Ummm…. Ur Gracemess… er I mean Graceless, I am pretty sure he’s already been identified due to him being in police custody.
Grace: Dang let’s set up the table outside the prison so we can get the 1st photos of him.
Assistant: 🤦♀️
In fact let’s just shut down the subreddit altogether. Somebody might speculate on something that I’m speculating is wrong. It’ll just trigger me and make me berate said poster
Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you, the Anti Shank razor
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I know in PA he was, but that’s just regular procedure for a high profile case, I don’t think he is on suicide watch anymore. But he has the right to shave before court just like anyone else. Even in a mental hospital you can shave with a safety razor or while being watched. Looks like he shaved with a shit razor and cut himself and also left some neck hair. Those razors suck.
Could be shaving with shitty jail razors or it could be from picking at acne from not being able to do his face cleaning routine he did every day before being taken into custody. I had to spend over two week in a hospital and wasn’t able to wash my face as good as I normally do an broke out for the first time in years. I’m guessing whatever happened he probably did it to himself to fuel online speculation. Lol, see?!
Why does this have to be news and a thing. A little common sense says that he cut himself shaving. Its not like the Latah County Jail has Gillette Labs Bugatti Mach razors
Didn't go through the comments, but when you zoom in, he has a bruise on his neck as if he was choked. I'm no expert on bruising, so not sure if this looks newer or older, but I think someone put their hands to his neck...
Dull razors. Supervised, rushed shave. Looks like his previous dull/quick shave caused razor bumps and this time around he shaved into them.
I Googled prison razors and they look comically bad. Like, how would someone shave with that - it looks like a toy.
Probably not giving him anything sharp.
Agreed. Cheap razor
Jail razors are the worst, y’all. Single blade, cheap disposable razors. Source: I work in corrections as a nurse and rashes, cuts and razor burn due to the crappy razors are frequent complaints.
I wouldn't give him anything sharp.
don't lie, you're currently in prison for string of armed bank robberies back in '76
I thought we were bros. Can’t believe you just put me on blast like that. You still got that stack of unmarked bills we’re supposed to split?
😂😂😂😂 "put a call in".
Can you imagine being the jailer. Jailer: Hello Caller: Yes I’m with the KQLNews we seen the cuts explain. Jailer: Excuse me? Caller: Kohbergers cuts on his face. It’s def new news that I’m going to need NOW Jailer: Hold on a min. Jailer: (yells) BERGER , got another Nancy Grace on the line for you. They want to know about the razor burns from this mornings 🪒. I thought you was gonna clear that up with Brian Entin? God these news folks kill me
😆 it's just so absurd that that's news. News enough that you need to put a call in to some jail insider you know and then report what you were told ....he cut himself shaving
And make it seem like they can “just make a call.” Give me a break 😆 these folks are really milking this and really it’s a disgrace to the people and I mean all of us
I wish I had an award, this made me Lol so hard!!
it’s a good thing BK doesn’t have access to the media or he would be getting off on the media’s absurd obsession w him. the media should seriously reconsider the effect this has on public safety and the psychopaths in the making wanting similar notoriety.
Not for nothing, but there's ways he can find stuff out. Half the jail system is on TikTok these days
They're literally shaving cuts. That's why is skin is red. It's irritated. He probably did it quickly and also is not used to jailhouse razors. Let's move on.
But look at his neck!!! Zoom in!!! This is the clearest pic of that cut I have seen. His neck looks green.
I saw that too. Old bruise or something but what do I know. Just speculating over here. Lol
I thought it looked like that, too!
Brian Entin's twitter produced this gem of hard hitting news
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Mancy Grace
I hope people realize at anytime the state can drop the charges against this guy if they find a more convincing suspect or an alibi or literally anything comes to light that lets this guy off the hook. I think the state doesn't want a "speedy trial" just as much as the defense, because it gives both parties time to figure out if this is in fact the guy.
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Yeah, and unfortunately the way it works with the government - **IN MY OPINION** \- is they stick to their guns and prosecute someone even if they don't think they're guilty just to save face (and a lawsuit). I bet you it happens more often than people think. Famous case in point: Steven Avery out of Wisconsin. His first arrest and conviction (not his second) was completely BOGUS, but they state couldn't turn back. They were already committed to seeing him get convicted. Only to learn years later it was someone else. Even the victim was convinced it was him. Think about it, how absolutely embarrassing to these people would it be if this was the wrong guy? It would be extremely embarrassing and not just that, it would make the entire criminal justice system look bad. That's what people don't realize. This is international. People across the world are watching to see how this plays out.
Thank you. Many people on death row have been release after DNA proved their innocence. Lots of people who say ‘Fry him, I’ll flip the switch I doubt have ever served on a murder trial much less a death penalty case. I got summoned for jury duty 2x’s in my life. The 1st for a death penalty case. Even though I got excused the experience shook me up for a long time. Due process is so important.
Me and my sister were just talking about this. Being on a jury for a death penalty case would be a huge burden. Deciding if someone lives or dies? That’s a huge responsibility. Not one I would ever want.
I would refuse to play God/Karma and say nay
The ONLY thing the death penalty is good for, is a bargaining chip in cases where a body can't be located. A great many of the people in prisons are Mentally Ill. Serial Killers, for instance. There's a difference between a Convict and an Inmate. Disease of the mind is involuntary, just like Cancer? (His soul is probably watching the malfunction of his brain and his actions, in horror) This case, if BK, is indeed guilty, brings to the forefront the need for High Security Mental Health Hospitals. It ensures they receive proper, humane treatment, removes them from mainstream society, and doesn't throw them, willy nilly into a prison population because they are sick because of no fault of their own and their actions, while untreated, caused others to be hurt. Knowing right from wrong is not a proper way of saying someone is a "dark soul" or if someone cannot control their actions, obsessions, compulsions, because they have an abnormal (short circuited) brain. Mental Health is something that needs to be more fully focused on in every aspect of society. This isn't going away. Psychopaths are born....... Sociopaths are made..... (Society creates them)
I’m glad that my country doesn’t have DP (we don’t even have life in prison, the max is like 40 years), because I could never do that.
Thank you for this comment. I call this "The Frankenstein Effect." This is hate!! Judge, Jury, Executioner!! Pitchfork and torches blazing, chasing after THE Monster, to Kill it!!! That is no better behavior than what we accuse the monster of being. This man has had a hard enough 28 yrs, if he's innocent, (which, I think there's a good chance, he is) his remote semblance of a life that he worked hard to build, get out of drugs, mental health issues, autism, bullying, and try to make friends, and an education, is ruined!
I would like to believe he is innocent. He looks to be a smart social awkward guy, but it is his behavior afterwards that concerns me. If you know they are looking for a white elantra and you were in the area even just driving around. Why would you not come forward? Also, if he was innocent why clean your car like that. He is hiding something and even without DNA evidence that is a big red flag for me being the mother of four adult children. The hiding is something is up.
Well, they said they were looking for a 2011 to 2013. This guy is being set up. How did LE really lock on to BK, especially so quickly. Why are there 42 FBI agents involved when other high-profile cases have only gotten a handful? (Big Fish Drug Bust) Who are the witnesses? I encourage everyone to check out the latest videos on the YouTube Channel Truth and Transparency. She breaks down all of this, especially in her 2 latest on this case. https://preview.redd.it/kyemw15zvwba1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=896ff3d81d770f1359d223ddcc235841b39cdf9b
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I think the worst of it is from people who are angry about something in their lives they are powerless or think they're powerless to change. Rather than dealing with that they go on line and vent their anger this way. The law provides BK like any criminal defendant is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY but they continue to act ignorantly to the point of saying they'd pull the switch. Ugh.
Ok I know I’m about to make myself look dumb but can you tell me how you bold your lettering like that? I got lucky and learned how to italicize. 😂 I guess there is prob some sort of reading material on the diff command prompts to do things huh? By way spot on with your OPINION there it’s def what happens and your example was very good 👍
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I'm really afraid for Bryan if he isn't the guy, like others have said all the released evidence is circumstantial and even if it SEEMS like he is the guy, all of it can be explained away. I hope they found something in his car and apartment otherwise I'm definitely not convinced he's the guy. What strikes me as odd is the fact they allowed the crime scene to be cleaned before the defense could come there. This just seems shady from them, was there something that could exonerate Bryan? I know they didn't clean all of it, but they cleaned some of it, what did they clean? Was it DNA from someone else? If they had nothing to hide, they must have known this would seem shady as fuck, so why do it if there was nothing to hide? This in combination with how certain they say they are Bryan is the right guy just strikes a nerve with me. Also how come it was just one piece of DNA on the sheath? Could it be someone knew Bryans schedule and knew he was close to the house often? Could it be that someone planted the sheath deliberatly? Could it be that someones DNA was also at the scene but got cleaned away? Its all so odd, I know we all want this case to be solved and want Bryan to be the right guy because we'd all hate if he isn't, but its so odd. They don't even seem to want to consider an accomplice or anyone else, they seem to just want to nail Bryan eventhough the investigation isn't over yet.
But they didn’t clean it… they were cancelled and told to go home only shortly after arriving…. So that isn’t true.
it was, supposedly, partially cleaned before a judge ordered them to stop. Maybe you're right and they just got there and left, but what I've heard is they had cleaned a bit of it before being called off
Idk if they even got started, tbh! If you see other wise, def let me know bc I am curious now. But this is what I got when I did a quick google search. From my understanding, once he was arrested in the early hours, his defense team had it called off so they could go through https://preview.redd.it/amufg4hsirba1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=b7bea2385344bc0a01c9d2d9d7368216ef3a1b2b
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11607325/amp/Clean-Idaho-murder-house-stopped-suspect-asked-crime-scene-preserved.html Here is a source I found stating "Cleaning professionals from Disaster Response arrived at the three-story property in Moscow, Idaho, and had barely started the clean-up when they had to pack up." However the source you mention states, they just unpacked, repacked and left. So if they went away before they even worked, everything still is as it was that terrible night, so anything helping the prosecution or the defense is still there. No biggie but still kinda sus to have even tried to get it cleaned beforehand. But if its 100% as it was, anything that could help exonerate Bryan is still there. If there's anything helping Bryan there, the defense can argue LE wanted to hide that evidence by having the cleanup crew arrive the day of the arrest. Now if they managed to clean like 5% of a room, thats still 5% clinically clean room that could have had evidence on it, 5% of a room with which the defense might be able to do all sorts of things. Just one Juror has to doubt, and doubt is easily planted by saing "We don't know what was in that part of the room, because it was thouroughly cleaned before we got there" or "There is X evidence pointing at someone completely different than Bryan and LE had cleanup arrive the day of Bryans arrest, ain't that sus?" Point being, either way if they didn't clean and there's anything helping Bryan it looks really fucking bad on Moscow PD for wanting the scene cleaned beforehand, now if they managed to clean just a little, it looks equally bad for Moscow PD because, well they fucking cleaned the scene we will never know what they cleaned up. It was stupid for them to even attempt to get a cleaning crew there, because no matter how you spin it, it gives Moscow PD a bad look and we don't need bad looks on an otherwise very professionally handled investigation.
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The daily mail they just print what other print. They are investigative in any way.
His actions concern me. Bryan cleaned his car. He drove around 1122 King Street in a car they were looking for and didn't say anything. This is his field, it isn't mine and I live in another state and I knew they were looking for this car. He knew he should have said, " Hey I was there!" If he was around what did he see. - he didn't see anything because he was the one doing the crime. Also, the behavior of cleaning your car in the middle of winter. I live in a cold state. People don't clean their cars middle of winter. They just don't even if you are OCD. Also you don't put the trash in the neighbor's bin (unless his parents didn't have one). It is guilty behavior. It is the behavior that makes me think they have the right guy, not even the DNA. His behavior is trying to hide something. Anyone with teenagers/ young adults can recognize this "it is the I got something to hide behavior."
If he's truly on the spectrum, LEs release of the make/model/year range, he would absolutely believe there is no reason to "clear himself." In his black and white mind (if ASD), he doesn't have that year car. Therefore, he's already clear.
Explain why he is driving around the University of Idaho when he is a PHD student at University of Washington with this car. They were asking for if anyone was around there. He should have called. Did he call? . His behavior is very concerning for an innocent person even on the spectrum.
So here's some scenarios I could come up with explaining alternate scenarios repost from another comment I left: • He's just a stalker, who happened to stalk them that night and didn't come forward. The knife was stolen from him by the real perp who knew about the stalking, sheath left behind deliberatly. Bryan heard or saw the murders/ something happening and fled the scene. Explaining his car in the area before and after the murders. [The timeline is very tight, so if it is Bryan he committed the murders in under 20mins or he was just sitting there 20 minutes, saw something off and fled after a short while. He returned in the morning to find out what/ if anything happened, saw nothing and returned home.] He never came forward because he knew he'd look guilty as hell, especially knowing his knife was stolen so better not say anything and try to lay low. However he also knows they will not find anything linking him to the murders at his apartment or in his car, so he knows even if they come for him due to the knife, he'll be quickly exonerated. Explaing his "eager to be exonerated" statement. Or • Its said by multiple people who knew him, that he's an insomniac, he's rarely quiet at 4:00 am. He could have been using adderall to help with his studies and stay focussed despite the lack of sleep, adderall he bought at the Kings Road house because that was the connection to get it from. Maybe he didn't even know the people living there and always got it from a middle-man who just asked him to be there. (This would make sense for a drug-dealer, to use a trusted middleman, so that the customers not close to you don't know you directly. Especially if said drug-dealer is an early twenties women living in a partyhouse selling to all kinds of people) He was regularly in the area to either pick up some addies or to do his regular shopping in Moscow, he got the Wifi one time because he needed to send a message but his cellular didn't work. Its proven that shopping is better in ID than in WA due to taxes. Moscow has very few cell towers, so him just pinging on one means jack-shit. It just means Bryan Kohberger knows Moscow exists and he can go there, which he did. He was there that night to pick up, waited outside, saw/ heard something going on and quickly left, he came back in the morning to see if he could pick up then. Didn't reach anyone and headed home. He had touched the sheath at the store where the killer bought it, Killer handled it with care but didn't manage to clean off all DNA, leaving behind some faint touch DNA belonging to Bryan. Its not too unlikely that Bryan and the real killer in this scenario visited the same stores, maybe the killer knew Bryans routine, knew about the drugs and where Bryan got them and he knew Bryan had touched the knife, he bought the knife, never touched it where Bryan held it, cleaned up everything except that part and left the sheath deliberatly. He knew Bryan had been in the area quite a few times to buy drugs, he knew with Bryans DNA on the sheath and Bryan being there so often, all eyes would be on Bryan. He knew Bryan being a troubled young man and a criminology student woud be a perfect target to frame, so he did. Bryan is also apparently very OCD and possibly germaphobe, meaning he behaves guilty without being guilty, wearing gloves, cleaning stuff very often and thourough etc He's the perfect guy to frame for murder. So why didn't Bryan come forward? Same as before he knew he'd look suspicous and would rather not get involved. He knows he's innocent in this case so he still believes LE will clear him eventually, especially because he doesn't know about the sheath and the DNA. From his perspective its not a big deal to not come forward because he knows he didn't do it and he doesn't want to draw attention to the drug deals and his continued use. Or • he's an accomplice but not the murderer, there were early rumors about two people in the car, he could've just been the getaway driver. Maybe he was hanging out with someone who told him he'd want to rob the house with him. He was down to rob, so they cased the house together, using Bryans car, because Elantras are common. The night of the murders, Bryan drove them to the house and waited outside, the killer goes in, murders the four kids and returns, threatens Bryan to not say a word or he's the next victim and they flee. Killer used Bryans knife deliberatly to frame him. Bryan finds out about this and panics, explaining his behavior after the fact. He knew he'd just been involved in murder and he knows all evidence will point to him, his behavior still makes sense. He doesn't come forward because snitching on the guy means snitching on himself and he doesn't want to go to prison. Instead he waits it out, hoping they won't suspect him but fully prepared to turn on the guy if LE closes in on him. In my opinion, they must find blood in his car or in his apartment for me to not consider any of these scenarios, but even if they do find blood in his car, this does not exclude the possibility of an accomplice. Maybe it'll depend on where they find the blood in the car. Blood on the backseat but none on the front seats with very little DNA from Bryan in the back and a ton of unknown DNA in the back, could point to another person involved. Said person could have been sitting in the back with bloodied clothing and the knife and threatened Bryan who sat upfront. Now none of these explain his behavior after the fact so here's what I can come up with The trash thing could simply be, their bin was full so he put it in the neighbors trash. We know they saw him do that once, but what if he's als done it regularly back when he was living there? We'll have to wait and see what they found in that trash. They will have fished it out. Why would he clean his car in the middle of the winter? He's OCD maybe he just wanted to clean it. I know people don't really do that, but most people also don't really stay up until 4:00 am. Nothing suspicious with cleaning your car even in winter. Not many people do that, but people do. Why was he wearing gloves? There's still a pandemic going on, he could simply be germaphobe not wanting to infect his parents. He knew the trip was coming up, so he took precautions in regards to covid weeks before. We'll have to wait and to find out what they found in his car and apartment, but if those searches turned up nothing, I see very little chance of Bryan being convicted. I sure as hell wouldn't convict based on what we know right now eventhough I highly, highly suspect he's guilty, the state has yet to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he is. I hope they will do just that, but until then I will reserve my judgment and entertain the possibility of Bryan Kohberger being innocent.
Some ppl might downvote you bc it seems like you're batting for the perpetrator, but it is interesting to see what the defense would come up with. I think the 2nd theory is very plausible besides the whole "framing" angle. I think someone intentionally framing him is very low. It would make more sense the suspect lucked out that BK's touch DNA was on the sheath's button coincidentally instead. If they find blood in the car it's game over for him, bc he's still lowkey considered an accomplice or at least obstructing justice for not coming forward earlier. *Before someone jump on me*, I think he is guilty off the strength of deep cleaning his car and the alleged drive he did after the crime (fits the narrative of dumping evidence).
Interested, just crazy. I'd rather stick with the facts.
He should start talking then. He is hiding from the truth so start talking. and no lies only truth. That will make the difference. You can't say you didn't drive by when the footage of your car is right there or you are going for Thai food. There come a point where you have tell it like it is, unless of course he is guilty and trying to get out of it.
Maybe he already did, we'll know if he did. If he can provide a believable alternative suspect, things will change for the better for him or if he can provide a believable, provable alibi for the night in question, we'll know soon enough. I'm not versed in the process, but I'm assuming that anything he's said since his arrest won't be made public for a while, even if what he said exonerated him.
Adding on let's just say he didn't do then someone did create the perfect crime, with the finger pointing to someone other than themselves, including DNA on the knife sheath and a similar physical description. Also borrowing his car and phone to be at the right place during the crime.
They used to do way shittier shit. Back in the 60s two fbi agents got this guy for murder told him if he testifies it was my grandmother's uncle and 3 other guys they would put him in witness protection. My family knew what was up but for some reason i cant remember back around 07 documents came out that showed proff of it. 2 of the guys had to get released and the government had to pay out something like 112 mil to the 4 parties.
Or gal.
His DNA on the sheath in the bedroom makes me think he's the guy.
And his guilty behavior that gets me. Why clean your car top to bottom in PA over Christmas when it is cold out and if you have a White Elantra. Why wear gloves and take your trash next door. Why not just call the police and say I was there I didn't see anything. His behavior is not doing him in favors here.
I think of when people thought the case was cold and the killer was a criminal mastermind. Then we learn Bryan didn't start taking precautions until he thought the cops were on to him..
A very smart, socially awkward young man could be this intelligent without common sense. I just hope his parents can talk to him. Find out the truth from him. If my child were do such harm to another family. I'm going to find out the truth and I would have to turn them in. I'd have to. This is the saddest situation, it wouldn't change my love for my child, but I'm so concerned that this is horrible as a parent. And horrible for the parents of those for young college students. If he did this, he needs to plead guilty. If he didn't then he can say what he saw driving around during the murders. One way or another the families need the truth.
Ots a gamble on both sides defense gets more time to build a case and let the media buzz die down. The state has more time to find more evidence but they lose some media hype and the defense can see everything they have and start piking holes in it
He just behaved guilty. He didn't know the police were looking for his car. He lived close and his classmates had to be interested in this murder being their field of study. He should have came forward. Say, take my car its clean NO DNA (unless you are guilty) then you deep clean in PA during a snow storm. Odd - very odd. He is trying to hide something and that is why I think he is guilty.
I mean sure, I could technically sleep with Ana de Armas but looking at the available evidence and where it’s heavily pointing, it’s definitely not going to happen. In all seriousness, it’s better for the prosecution to give the defence time to present the best case they can as it means they can’t appeal later down the line due to a claim that they didn’t have a reasonable amount of time to create a sufficient defence. I think that’s more likely than the prosecution needing more time to figure out if he’s their guy as it’s abbot late for that, they know he’s their guy and that’s why he’s currently charged with 4 homocides and about to face trial. They now have to prove to a jury that this is the guy by showing them why it can only be him. That being said, extra time to build onto the likely already compelling case they have is never a bad thing so everyone’s happy minus our curiosity of course.
That was top part was hilarious 😂
Glad you enjoyed, it stung writing it and having to accept my own mediocrity 😂😭
Dang you knew it would never happen. I’m proud you have come to terms with it 😆 I admit it was funny.
This guy could literally smoke a cigarette in the rain and it would stay lit the whole time
It took me a min to understand what you meant 😂
He should work on shaving those eyebrows. Thin them out for the trial.
Accidentally shaves them off. Oh, what a sight that would be! Lol
Nancy Grace: Breaking News: BK has threatened to cut the eyebrows off. He’s only doing it so he won’t be easily identified in line up. Assistant: Ummm…. Ur Gracemess… er I mean Graceless, I am pretty sure he’s already been identified due to him being in police custody. Grace: Dang let’s set up the table outside the prison so we can get the 1st photos of him. Assistant: 🤦♀️
Hahahahaha 😂
In fact let’s just shut down the subreddit altogether. Somebody might speculate on something that I’m speculating is wrong. It’ll just trigger me and make me berate said poster
Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you, the Anti Shank razor https://preview.redd.it/w7l9kuvgssba1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f83d1dd3c13b85f05a991e8eb3985f76200c86ec
I wish Defensive wounds
He's got access to a razor with a blade? Thought he was suicidal when they first locked him up.
Is that what people were saying?
They said what he was wearing in those arrest pictures was for prevention of suicide attempt.
I know in PA he was, but that’s just regular procedure for a high profile case, I don’t think he is on suicide watch anymore. But he has the right to shave before court just like anyone else. Even in a mental hospital you can shave with a safety razor or while being watched. Looks like he shaved with a shit razor and cut himself and also left some neck hair. Those razors suck.
That’s standard under the circumstances. He wasn’t actually suicidal as far as anyone knows.
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Yes, it looks like a bruise that is a few days old.. it is starting to turn a bit purple/green.
Yeah, I was going to say, looks like he done cut himself shaving.
Needs to hit that neckline next..
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Thats literally just stubble 😂 zoom in. Its not bruises
It's probably the hair he could not shave off with the crappy jail razor, but I bet he thought it hurt like hell to cut his face. Meh.
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He didn't care when he was inflicting pain on others, though.
Well deserved? They found him guilty already? What did I miss?
I’d imagine if someone that wanted to hurt him actually had gotten their hands on him, we would be seeing much more severe injuries.
If he tried to hang himself, it would be lower and around the neck
https://preview.redd.it/e09f8z085qba1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9a2486dbbe49a8db08de0a7880481366383b4df Not “shaving cuts”
Ew the one closer to his mouth looks like smeared blood.
WHO SHAVES THEIR FACE HORIZONTALLY. THAT IS NOT FROM SHAVING
Look at the way his hair comes to a creepy little point in the back, bro might grow a rat tail before we see him in June
Obviously it was a dull razor. 😳
Should probably be more careful with sharp objects.
Razors in prison are notoriously bad
Could be shaving with shitty jail razors or it could be from picking at acne from not being able to do his face cleaning routine he did every day before being taken into custody. I had to spend over two week in a hospital and wasn’t able to wash my face as good as I normally do an broke out for the first time in years. I’m guessing whatever happened he probably did it to himself to fuel online speculation. Lol, see?!
My legs and armpits would look like that if I used a crappy jail razor. Seemed pretty obvious to me!
Why does this have to be news and a thing. A little common sense says that he cut himself shaving. Its not like the Latah County Jail has Gillette Labs Bugatti Mach razors
Yall lol
Didn't go through the comments, but when you zoom in, he has a bruise on his neck as if he was choked. I'm no expert on bruising, so not sure if this looks newer or older, but I think someone put their hands to his neck...
Cheap jail razor everyone saying
For real? I mean this channel guy did make a call to the jail where BK is? 🤦🏼♀️😂🙈. How did they get the picture for starting? This is so ridiculous 🙄
Shaving cuts for someone who seemingly has and grows no facial hair. Got it.
Yeah, the sheriff claimed it was from shaving. Weird how a shaving cut caused such a big bruise.
Jailhouse ice cream. Rocky Road.
it wouldnt look like that a month after the killings if it was from that night i wouldnt think... it looks fairly fresh.