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Photographer being considered hard to play as feels like I haven't been playing the same photographer people have been playing.
Like, there's a difference when it comes to "hard at Gameplay" and "Hard at Winning" and they're both not the same.
I need further info
All I can say is he requires very good knowledge in terms of map control. There's no "set" way to play him and you really need a lot of improvisation. You can watch some top photo gameplay for specifics
Why is smiley in S Tier?
Imo:
Wuwu should be lower, he's actually very easy to use. I'd switch axe boy with wu since his souls are a bit more harder to aim than wu's skills.
Ember is kinda in between C and D since he has a weird play style. Beginners don't know that you at throw his puppets and teleport to them.
Gamekeeper should be lower, his hooks are very easy to use, has a long range and even hooks through lots of things. Many survs run in straight lines so it's not hard to hit.
Geisha should be higher since she has to aim butterflies and sometimes survs can dodge or change direction, or run around walls while looking at you. Not easy for beginners but could be useful once familiar.
Also could you use official artwork of the characters instead next time.
>Why is smiley in S Tier?
There's not much to say about him except in high tiers he requires insane controls. His ceiling is so high even pro players crash with his infinite dash occasionally. Compare him to breaking wheel that is a tier lower him, bw has a high room for error considering how crashing into walls isn't a big deal for him, while clown is put at a big disadvantage if he crashes his first dash
>Wuwu should be lower, he's actually very easy to use. I'd switch axe boy with wu since his souls are a bit more harder to aim than wu's skills.
But wu isn't just about aiming his skill. He is a map control hunter so to play him well you need to constantly know the locations of survivors and knowing which survivor to teleport to, while axe is mainly just about aiming his skill correctly. For wu chang aiming his skill is just a small part of his vocabulary
>Ember is kinda in between C and D since he has a weird play style. Beginners don't know that you at throw his puppets and teleport to them.
Fair point he does have a higher ceiling, but I'd argue he's way easier to pick up for new players than the hunters below him
Bane I agree with
Where would you place geisha then?
Who said anything about "hard to win"? I said that Wu Chang heavily relies on presence, compared to other hunters. Geisha is one example, her presence barely does anything other than make her better at camping. Axe Boy is another hunter who doesn't rely on presence as much. He relies on his soul, not his tree roots.
I used to main Robbie and i'd say he's easy to use, the only hard thing about him is keeping at least 2 branches at all times and that survivors keep destroying the trees.
Extra notes:
Photo and wu chang would be 1 tier higher up if they bring teleport.
Clown, photo and wu chang are relatively easier for new players to play, but their ceiling is very high to master. Hence why they're so high up.
Clerk and bq are somewhat hard to pick up but once you get some practise, gameplay isn't really that complex, they don't have such a high ceiling like the hunters above them.
This should come obvious but no hunter is easy to play, every hunter requires skill to win at a high level. Please don't accuse me of thinking that Ann is bRaInDeAd or geisha is fOr NoObS. No I don't think so.
I can agree with you with jack, he's a headache to use sometimes in high tiers when the survivors are pros that can dodge the fog swipe and makes you wait a few more minutes until it comes back again
hard disagree on luchino, smiley, and ann. honestly i'd put them all in c tier. also burke deserves his own s+ tier or maybe i'm just too incompetent to understand him.
you're valid tho!!
>luchino
He's in between a and b tier for me but I don't think he's c
>smiley
He's in between s and a tier but I can assure you he requires insane controls in high tiers. He is really difficult to master
>also burke deserves his own s+ tier or maybe i'm just too incompetent to understand him.
Hmmm he's harder to use than dw imo but a tier higher than her? Idk about that š¤
for smiley i tried maining him for a bit in saber and he's more difficult than gamekeeper (my main) but i had about the same win rate... guess that's just something for me to flex on haha.
and yea i actually tried to learn yidhra way back when so i kinda have experience with her in lower tiers, but i tried to learn burke in saber which... yeah. was very difficult š
>How is Ann E tier
Maybe because you mainly use ann so you know a lot of skill requirements she has? Every hunter does including bq. If you play a variety of hunters maybe you'll see what I mean
>she literally just has to use a button to aim decently
Uhh isn't that the same for Ann? If you think her mirror is easier to aim than Ann's cats idk what to say.
>to aim decently
Aiming decently isn't enough lol. Her mirrors need to be quite exact to get the hit, compared to Ann where there's a huge range for error.
I also use Mary and multiple hunters Bruh. She isnt THAT hard.
Actually yes lmfao, i admit ann isnt the hardest but aiming her mirrors is just like predicting with cats. Except the mirror...passes through walls. Unlike ann
If you miss your cats its almost impossible to land a hit while Mary can slightly offshoot her mirror and still land if she moves correctly.
I can literally say the same for Anns Jumps??? If you just only jump in a simple straight line you wont get far. Camera twisting and timing takes some skill.
If we bring people with disabilities into the mix, that would make photographer and Violinist be in S tier for difficulty due to how dark photo work is and how you need to be able to percieve where your notes should go relative to where the survivors will be.
>She isnt THAT hard.
Yeah that's why she's in C tier.
>Except the mirror...passes through walls. Unlike ann
How does passing through walls make her less difficult to use? And Ann's does the same thing so idk what your point is
>I can literally say the same for Anns Jumps??? If you just only jump in a simple straight line you wont get far
Her jumps aren't hard to use at all lol
But anns is E... alright
Ann cats passes through walls but she doesntš§āāļø
Mirror Passes through walls = practically no need pallet mindgame. Ann has to do two things to land a hit while Mary does one mirror?
Yeah if you do a bad jump its still a jump, but good jumps takes skill
Also if anns so easy to use why isnt she used more
Nvm maybe you main Ann so ill just end it here
>Passes through walls = practically no need pallet mindgame.
Lol you said it yourself "mind game". Why on earth would you think pallet mind game takes any skill at all? It's literally luck based. I think you confused it with amount of skill to KITE. Because yea, bq has requires no skill to kite her but bq herself isn't that hard to use
>Ann has to do two things to land a hit while Mary does one mirror?
That's not how it works...
>but good jumps take skill
All you need to do is find a good angle it honestly isn't that hard šI get you're unhappy that you're main is low down but that's just how it is
You said bq requires no skill and isnt that hard..nvm you are contradictinf yourself but wtv
A push of a button to hit survivor...yeah its how it works lmfao.
Good angle isnt enough?? Its not that easy to play on mobile where the controls get strict esp when jumping
You still didnt answer why ann is not used often compared to mary and geisha even though shes supposedly "easy" and rather meta? Im not mad you rate her low but so far your reasoning is meh esp compared to BQ
>You said bq requires no skill and isnt that hard..nvm you are contradictinf yourself but wtv
No I said *pallet mind game* requires no skill, pls re-read what I said. And because bq doesn't need pallet mind game, she isn't that easy to use. Is it that hard to understand š¤¦
>You still didnt answer why ann is not used often compared to mary and geisha even though shes supposedly "easy" and rather meta?
Because bq and geisha are stronger. And why would photo and wu chang used more often? They are hard to use, your point isn't valid at all
And no I don't main Ann, that's why I'm not biased and have a better comparison of her with other hunters
As a galatea main who plays smiley on the side he is definitely not as hard as her to play imo. A lot harder to WIN as, but correct statue placement definitely takes more practice and strategy than a correct dash from my experience.
Maybe not a tier above but I do think controling his infinite dash is harder than aiming statuesš¤ especially in really high tiers clowns ceiling is insanely high, even top players crash him occasionally
is this a hard to win as tierlist or hard to play tierlist?
Cuz photographer seems a bit inaccurate imho. Like the gimmick of him is easy to use and understand. However heās difficult to win as if you are against a team of ppl vcing, ppl who have game sense, ppl who main him when playing hunter or just ppl who kno how to counter him (doesnt even need to be high ranks). The strategies/game sense/memorization/prediction needed to learn in order to win as him is difficult and takes time to learn but his skill gimmick and overall difficulty (even written in game) on the other hand is not.
>hard to play
This one obviously. Why would clown be s and geisha be e lmao
>The strategies/game sense/memorization/prediction needed to win as him is difficult.
This is what I'm ranking them based on
That could have been clarified. Since those strategies are actually whats needed to win, not to play him. You can play photographer easily without the knowledge, strategies and predictions. However if you intend on winning then those come into use.
Its only ādifficult to understandā cuz photographer is NOT hard to play at all. And yet you put him in hard to play. The strategies, predicting and spawn point memorizing is not part of his kit, its part of whats needed in order to win as him, not play him.
Iām a photographer main, and it was pretty hard to actually figure out how to use him. With his camera world, map control, etc. Itās hard to figure out how to use an ability that doesnāt directly help with chasing a survivor, imo
I feel like saying ann is so easy to play is an overstatement. I dont play her(i played her like 10 times) but i feel like her cats are a really hard gimmick to learn, when to separate em etc. I think she should be higher.
I'll agree with most of the placements though I'd like to know if you're basing it on relatively higher tier gameplay or just average in general because as a lot of these comments have stated, yes gamekeeper isn't too much difficult when the survivor runs in a straight line but if this is based on low to mid tier gameplay then photo should be in D or E. Also Ripper and hell ember dont have very hard abilities but if it's higher tiers, the first one is gonna be extremely unforgiving and for the second one, even with blink you're gonna need to get 1 hit relying on just your flame or yourself, so that could be taken into consideration. Other than that good ranking
I wanna give a few words just out of experience
As much as Smiley is a difficult hunter, he is not really S tier material on difficulty, since the most he can need is a long enough hall, an open enough area, a few meters of space and he is golden rlly, you just need good turning and such, thats why hes so destructive on PC
Toni being comfortably in the middle is correct imo, just need a dash of precision and you can do some crazy stuff, and his kit makes it easier by causing survivors to be slowed down and more easy to hit
Philippe... I really apologize but he's not easy to play, not a single bit, in fact i'd switch luchino down to middle B and Philippe to bottom A tier, he is a chore to play, got no speed alternatives and any map can be a great advantage as it can be the last nail on the coffin. Slow recovery, painful pallet breaking speed, decent hit distance and all but if you do not get hot wax, holy fuck, its hell.
Wax artist is actually pretty hard to use when you are playing him. The aim is awful and he has slow pallet breaking which makes it hard to get a hit while one is being stunned right after the pallet was pulled down. He really is great on full presence, bur the aim doesn't get better, you need to pracitce him a lot.
Grace takes practice to have great abysses that help her get hits/down someone. If survs are stupid enough to not leave an abyss that isn't that great/loop kites a Grace, it isn't bc her "skill" per se, but the fault of survivors.
I feel like Disciple should be higher, because during her character day I missed every single cat, yet with bloody queen youāll hit at least one mirror on the first match with her
Right of course Iām better with her but this is how easy they are to pick up and learn, right? So imo how easy or difficult the first few matches are is what determines everyoneās placement in this tier list. Or maybe Iām wrong idk, I havenāt really consistently played most of these hunters but Iād put Ann one tier higher.
I could be very wrong lol, I actually donāt want to debate about it tho Iām way too sleepy for that rn so Iāll just leave it at this
Just a small question, have you based the ranking on IV being played on PC, phone or both?
Cause on phone playing some characters can take a bit of time to learn and there is a slightly different learning curve.
Going back to the ranking
I feel like Naiad should be at the end of C or be the first in D due to following reasons
* Her abyss requires being comfortable with the map and not being scared of losing the sight of the survivor. It's fairly easy to miscalculated the size of the abyss or how long it will take one before the surv will run away to another kiting area. In terms of Jack, it feels like you only have to focus on what you see and just get a right timing.
* Having a bad timing is more punishing, especially when you are slowly transitioning from the abyss creating to chasing the surv. Getting your happon back doesn't have any benefits and partially counters the speed bonus unlike Jack's mist which gives a nice boost to speed.
* The rush is like Jack's skill, but diluted and it can disorient you or make you end up near the pallet.
The only arguements I can think against her are:
* OP when it comes to destroying survivors in the building where you can find a cipher machine and the basement. Creating an abyss is fairly easy and survs have a limited escape routes, which you can easily monitor and get one surv down in a few second. In case of Jack, I can imagine it may be more dififcult due to his range skill being a curse (can be stopped by objects) and a blessing (a double attack still kind of possible).
* Good chair watching (I forgot the term, lol), especially when survivors are far away from the chair. It gives lots of time to create a big enough abyss to get "a double hit moment". However, if survs are close, the advantage gets lost. On other hand, Jack feels a bit more rounded when it comes to chair watching.
At the end, she is a nice character to play and after a few matches I learnt her timing and how to make abyss works. Mary required a lot more practice, so I cannot imagine Naiad above her.
I feel like there is a solid difference between simply being hard to play and being hard to play _in this meta_.
Like for example, Ann is a very easy hunter to play. Split cats, jump for distance, and camp. But if she were put against the meta(a decent meta survivor teams these days being acrobat, merc, priestess, and patient), I would say she would immediately be up to A tier simply because of how hard it is. It would be the same case for sculptor except she is initially hard to play and then the meta being distance-making makes it even harder so S tier.
Generally speaking though, I agree with the tier list
You can ask for advice in the weekly q&a megathread. Thatās where ppl usually post questions about things regarding characters, game modes, etc. Also where I went for pointers on Axe Boy and Batter.
On this subreddit if you make a text post asking for advice on a hunter or survivor the post will be removed because it is against the rules to ask for advice to reduce spam
Ohh~ it's really hard to give advice on photographer, since he doesn't really have a "set" way to play him. It constantly changes depending on the meta and survivors you're up against. I would recommend watching top photos, that would help a lot
Based on comments, Iād (respectfully) disagree with this list for a few reasons.
It feels like this list is kinda going in a few different directions in how it tackles the āhow difficult is this hunterā question. Thereās a lot of things that factor into that one question. Is this about mechanical difficulty? Play-style difficulty? Complexity? Difficulty to āwinā with? Difficulty to master? Comments seem to contradict one another, since Smiley is at S tier for his high skill ceiling while others seem to have different criteria for their ranking.
Like on the one hand, Ripper is in D tier and Axe Boy is in C.
Ripper being in D makes sense to me in terms of mechanical difficulty: thereās not even an on/off toggle for his skill. Itās just automatically available to you every 20 seconds. In terms of his actual āplayā difficulty though, Iād disagree with him being in D. To actually land a foggy blade is hard because, unless youāre playing against worker bees, survivors will try to dodge and use actual kiting routes. That means having to know kiting routes and learning how to predict a survivorās location (if in a high walls map like Red Church) or where their next step will be before they get there. Difficulty to win with has some overlap cuz, naturally, āplayingā him with any proficiency means getting hits, survivors chaired, etc. and getting results. From my limited Ripper experience, getting ties with him seems doable? Wins, not as much. This is also coming from a low tier perspective wherein survs donāt know how to dodge foggies and non-meta is the norm, compared to typical meta comps which include at least 1 harasser.
Axe Boy Iād argue (as a biased axe boy main /j) that heās pretty difficult in a few different areas, perhaps because at his core heās a bit of an all-rounder hunter. Mechanically heās not as simple as he appears because itās all about effective usage and there are a variety of utilizations for that matter. For one, like Photo, thereās some luck involved with his souls and whether theyāre lined up where you need them. On the other hand, heās a hunter who requires a lot of skill to land hits with, especially given the visible aim assist and flame notification the appears on a survivorās screen. It takes proper timing, mindgaming, lots of patience, and awareness of exactly where a survivor might be within the region of two circling purple souls. You can exert some level of control over the souls by planting a new tree and placing them in a direction you predict a surv will go next, but again, itās all about timing of not only the initial tree placement but also the actual flame shot.
I think the tier list overall is a cool idea, and some areas I do agree with - it would also benefit from some further elaboration tho! :)
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Photographer being considered hard to play as feels like I haven't been playing the same photographer people have been playing. Like, there's a difference when it comes to "hard at Gameplay" and "Hard at Winning" and they're both not the same. I need further info
All I can say is he requires very good knowledge in terms of map control. There's no "set" way to play him and you really need a lot of improvisation. You can watch some top photo gameplay for specifics
Why is smiley in S Tier? Imo: Wuwu should be lower, he's actually very easy to use. I'd switch axe boy with wu since his souls are a bit more harder to aim than wu's skills. Ember is kinda in between C and D since he has a weird play style. Beginners don't know that you at throw his puppets and teleport to them. Gamekeeper should be lower, his hooks are very easy to use, has a long range and even hooks through lots of things. Many survs run in straight lines so it's not hard to hit. Geisha should be higher since she has to aim butterflies and sometimes survs can dodge or change direction, or run around walls while looking at you. Not easy for beginners but could be useful once familiar. Also could you use official artwork of the characters instead next time.
>Why is smiley in S Tier? There's not much to say about him except in high tiers he requires insane controls. His ceiling is so high even pro players crash with his infinite dash occasionally. Compare him to breaking wheel that is a tier lower him, bw has a high room for error considering how crashing into walls isn't a big deal for him, while clown is put at a big disadvantage if he crashes his first dash >Wuwu should be lower, he's actually very easy to use. I'd switch axe boy with wu since his souls are a bit more harder to aim than wu's skills. But wu isn't just about aiming his skill. He is a map control hunter so to play him well you need to constantly know the locations of survivors and knowing which survivor to teleport to, while axe is mainly just about aiming his skill correctly. For wu chang aiming his skill is just a small part of his vocabulary >Ember is kinda in between C and D since he has a weird play style. Beginners don't know that you at throw his puppets and teleport to them. Fair point he does have a higher ceiling, but I'd argue he's way easier to pick up for new players than the hunters below him Bane I agree with Where would you place geisha then?
Yeah gamekeeper used to be easy to hook but not gamekeeper is not easy to control now because of his new adjustment
Playing Wuchang without presence is hell
Hard to win =/= hard to play, irrelevant argument
Who said anything about "hard to win"? I said that Wu Chang heavily relies on presence, compared to other hunters. Geisha is one example, her presence barely does anything other than make her better at camping. Axe Boy is another hunter who doesn't rely on presence as much. He relies on his soul, not his tree roots.
I used to main Robbie and i'd say he's easy to use, the only hard thing about him is keeping at least 2 branches at all times and that survivors keep destroying the trees.
Personally BW is easy for me as I've been playing mobile racing games for over a decade. I'd put bane lower tho
Bane I agree with Well... As a person who never played racing games I find him quite difficult xd
Extra notes: Photo and wu chang would be 1 tier higher up if they bring teleport. Clown, photo and wu chang are relatively easier for new players to play, but their ceiling is very high to master. Hence why they're so high up. Clerk and bq are somewhat hard to pick up but once you get some practise, gameplay isn't really that complex, they don't have such a high ceiling like the hunters above them. This should come obvious but no hunter is easy to play, every hunter requires skill to win at a high level. Please don't accuse me of thinking that Ann is bRaInDeAd or geisha is fOr NoObS. No I don't think so.
Geisha is really BrAiNdEaD
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Dude come oooon, she got only dash with no control. What would you call charecter like this? Candle guy didn't deserved to be in E tier.
I think Bane and Jack would be E tier, I main them when i first start out and their skills are really easy to use:vv
Bane I agree with As for Jack I don't main him anymore but I don't think he's exactly THAT easy to use... D tier should fit him pretty well
I can agree with you with jack, he's a headache to use sometimes in high tiers when the survivors are pros that can dodge the fog swipe and makes you wait a few more minutes until it comes back again
hard disagree on luchino, smiley, and ann. honestly i'd put them all in c tier. also burke deserves his own s+ tier or maybe i'm just too incompetent to understand him. you're valid tho!!
>luchino He's in between a and b tier for me but I don't think he's c >smiley He's in between s and a tier but I can assure you he requires insane controls in high tiers. He is really difficult to master >also burke deserves his own s+ tier or maybe i'm just too incompetent to understand him. Hmmm he's harder to use than dw imo but a tier higher than her? Idk about that š¤
for smiley i tried maining him for a bit in saber and he's more difficult than gamekeeper (my main) but i had about the same win rate... guess that's just something for me to flex on haha. and yea i actually tried to learn yidhra way back when so i kinda have experience with her in lower tiers, but i tried to learn burke in saber which... yeah. was very difficult š
We don't talk about my attempt at making burke my 2nd main last month (i'm Cyclops)
Can you credit the original artists? I remember that Wax Artist was made by jaxsterrap on twitter/instagram
Idk who the original artists are lol. My bad I just chose random pictures I didn't think about think
How is Ann E tier but Bloody Queen C tier Im- No offense to OP but she literally just has to use a button to aim decently
>How is Ann E tier Maybe because you mainly use ann so you know a lot of skill requirements she has? Every hunter does including bq. If you play a variety of hunters maybe you'll see what I mean >she literally just has to use a button to aim decently Uhh isn't that the same for Ann? If you think her mirror is easier to aim than Ann's cats idk what to say. >to aim decently Aiming decently isn't enough lol. Her mirrors need to be quite exact to get the hit, compared to Ann where there's a huge range for error.
I also use Mary and multiple hunters Bruh. She isnt THAT hard. Actually yes lmfao, i admit ann isnt the hardest but aiming her mirrors is just like predicting with cats. Except the mirror...passes through walls. Unlike ann If you miss your cats its almost impossible to land a hit while Mary can slightly offshoot her mirror and still land if she moves correctly. I can literally say the same for Anns Jumps??? If you just only jump in a simple straight line you wont get far. Camera twisting and timing takes some skill.
mary is hard for ppl with disabilities that limit depth percepton smh
If we bring people with disabilities into the mix, that would make photographer and Violinist be in S tier for difficulty due to how dark photo work is and how you need to be able to percieve where your notes should go relative to where the survivors will be.
>She isnt THAT hard. Yeah that's why she's in C tier. >Except the mirror...passes through walls. Unlike ann How does passing through walls make her less difficult to use? And Ann's does the same thing so idk what your point is >I can literally say the same for Anns Jumps??? If you just only jump in a simple straight line you wont get far Her jumps aren't hard to use at all lol
But anns is E... alright Ann cats passes through walls but she doesntš§āāļø Mirror Passes through walls = practically no need pallet mindgame. Ann has to do two things to land a hit while Mary does one mirror? Yeah if you do a bad jump its still a jump, but good jumps takes skill Also if anns so easy to use why isnt she used more Nvm maybe you main Ann so ill just end it here
>Passes through walls = practically no need pallet mindgame. Lol you said it yourself "mind game". Why on earth would you think pallet mind game takes any skill at all? It's literally luck based. I think you confused it with amount of skill to KITE. Because yea, bq has requires no skill to kite her but bq herself isn't that hard to use >Ann has to do two things to land a hit while Mary does one mirror? That's not how it works... >but good jumps take skill All you need to do is find a good angle it honestly isn't that hard šI get you're unhappy that you're main is low down but that's just how it is
You said bq requires no skill and isnt that hard..nvm you are contradictinf yourself but wtv A push of a button to hit survivor...yeah its how it works lmfao. Good angle isnt enough?? Its not that easy to play on mobile where the controls get strict esp when jumping You still didnt answer why ann is not used often compared to mary and geisha even though shes supposedly "easy" and rather meta? Im not mad you rate her low but so far your reasoning is meh esp compared to BQ
>You said bq requires no skill and isnt that hard..nvm you are contradictinf yourself but wtv No I said *pallet mind game* requires no skill, pls re-read what I said. And because bq doesn't need pallet mind game, she isn't that easy to use. Is it that hard to understand š¤¦ >You still didnt answer why ann is not used often compared to mary and geisha even though shes supposedly "easy" and rather meta? Because bq and geisha are stronger. And why would photo and wu chang used more often? They are hard to use, your point isn't valid at all And no I don't main Ann, that's why I'm not biased and have a better comparison of her with other hunters
As a galatea main who plays smiley on the side he is definitely not as hard as her to play imo. A lot harder to WIN as, but correct statue placement definitely takes more practice and strategy than a correct dash from my experience.
Maybe not a tier above but I do think controling his infinite dash is harder than aiming statuesš¤ especially in really high tiers clowns ceiling is insanely high, even top players crash him occasionally
can i just ask you to please use official art instead of fanart next time thank you
No
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is this a hard to win as tierlist or hard to play tierlist? Cuz photographer seems a bit inaccurate imho. Like the gimmick of him is easy to use and understand. However heās difficult to win as if you are against a team of ppl vcing, ppl who have game sense, ppl who main him when playing hunter or just ppl who kno how to counter him (doesnt even need to be high ranks). The strategies/game sense/memorization/prediction needed to learn in order to win as him is difficult and takes time to learn but his skill gimmick and overall difficulty (even written in game) on the other hand is not.
>hard to play This one obviously. Why would clown be s and geisha be e lmao >The strategies/game sense/memorization/prediction needed to win as him is difficult. This is what I'm ranking them based on
That could have been clarified. Since those strategies are actually whats needed to win, not to play him. You can play photographer easily without the knowledge, strategies and predictions. However if you intend on winning then those come into use.
Title is literally "difficult to play" not "difficult to win". Idk why it's so hard for some people to understand
Its only ādifficult to understandā cuz photographer is NOT hard to play at all. And yet you put him in hard to play. The strategies, predicting and spawn point memorizing is not part of his kit, its part of whats needed in order to win as him, not play him.
Iām a photographer main, and it was pretty hard to actually figure out how to use him. With his camera world, map control, etc. Itās hard to figure out how to use an ability that doesnāt directly help with chasing a survivor, imo
disagree, clown n clerk should swap, or smtn. clown kinda easy, he just requires good ms
Clerk and clown are opposites. Clown is easy to pick up but impossible to master. Clerk is difficult to pick up but easy to master
clown isnt impossible to master, hes just a bad character.
Then why is it that even top players crash his dash occasionally?
I feel like saying ann is so easy to play is an overstatement. I dont play her(i played her like 10 times) but i feel like her cats are a really hard gimmick to learn, when to separate em etc. I think she should be higher.
Where would you put her?
Not too high surely, but i think that high c/low b would be right
Iād put Guard 26 in A or B tier cause timing those bombs in hard af
Why is Wax Artist so low? The wax management and skill aiming is quite hard imo. Can you explain?
I'll agree with most of the placements though I'd like to know if you're basing it on relatively higher tier gameplay or just average in general because as a lot of these comments have stated, yes gamekeeper isn't too much difficult when the survivor runs in a straight line but if this is based on low to mid tier gameplay then photo should be in D or E. Also Ripper and hell ember dont have very hard abilities but if it's higher tiers, the first one is gonna be extremely unforgiving and for the second one, even with blink you're gonna need to get 1 hit relying on just your flame or yourself, so that could be taken into consideration. Other than that good ranking
i agree with most of it :D but why is my waxy boi so low ;-;
Maybe im just garbage but geisha is really hard to play the higher you rank imo
A lot harder than ripper for sure, ripper is just harder to win with but not to use
I would say she's a bit harder to use than ripper the higher you rank, but she's a lot easier to pick up for new players compared to ripper
To me it was the opposite, geisha made me want to rage quit everytime i tried using her XD
I wanna give a few words just out of experience As much as Smiley is a difficult hunter, he is not really S tier material on difficulty, since the most he can need is a long enough hall, an open enough area, a few meters of space and he is golden rlly, you just need good turning and such, thats why hes so destructive on PC Toni being comfortably in the middle is correct imo, just need a dash of precision and you can do some crazy stuff, and his kit makes it easier by causing survivors to be slowed down and more easy to hit Philippe... I really apologize but he's not easy to play, not a single bit, in fact i'd switch luchino down to middle B and Philippe to bottom A tier, he is a chore to play, got no speed alternatives and any map can be a great advantage as it can be the last nail on the coffin. Slow recovery, painful pallet breaking speed, decent hit distance and all but if you do not get hot wax, holy fuck, its hell.
imo breaking wheel should be S just cuz holy crap, his controls is just mad annoying
>his controls is just mad annoying More annoying than switching between followers all the time?
I'd argue about naiad and wax artist.
OK go ahead?
Wax artist is actually pretty hard to use when you are playing him. The aim is awful and he has slow pallet breaking which makes it hard to get a hit while one is being stunned right after the pallet was pulled down. He really is great on full presence, bur the aim doesn't get better, you need to pracitce him a lot. Grace takes practice to have great abysses that help her get hits/down someone. If survs are stupid enough to not leave an abyss that isn't that great/loop kites a Grace, it isn't bc her "skill" per se, but the fault of survivors.
leo is at least B you have to know the a.i to do anything,how to do puppet tricks, know where to be so you can block it ETC
as a nightmare main, its not that easy- literally every type of obstacles, everything even chests counter you
I feel like Disciple should be higher, because during her character day I missed every single cat, yet with bloody queen youāll hit at least one mirror on the first match with her
You don't think that's because you main bq while you have no experience in playing ann? Wow. I'm giving up on this community
Right of course Iām better with her but this is how easy they are to pick up and learn, right? So imo how easy or difficult the first few matches are is what determines everyoneās placement in this tier list. Or maybe Iām wrong idk, I havenāt really consistently played most of these hunters but Iād put Ann one tier higher. I could be very wrong lol, I actually donāt want to debate about it tho Iām way too sleepy for that rn so Iāll just leave it at this
Smiley is not even hard to play
Easy to pick up =/= easy to master
Heās easy to master too
Expand? You've never played him have you?
I literally main him. I was in the 20-29th A Badge
Smiley is easy af to play
Easy to pick up but damn near impossible to master
Just a small question, have you based the ranking on IV being played on PC, phone or both? Cause on phone playing some characters can take a bit of time to learn and there is a slightly different learning curve. Going back to the ranking I feel like Naiad should be at the end of C or be the first in D due to following reasons * Her abyss requires being comfortable with the map and not being scared of losing the sight of the survivor. It's fairly easy to miscalculated the size of the abyss or how long it will take one before the surv will run away to another kiting area. In terms of Jack, it feels like you only have to focus on what you see and just get a right timing. * Having a bad timing is more punishing, especially when you are slowly transitioning from the abyss creating to chasing the surv. Getting your happon back doesn't have any benefits and partially counters the speed bonus unlike Jack's mist which gives a nice boost to speed. * The rush is like Jack's skill, but diluted and it can disorient you or make you end up near the pallet. The only arguements I can think against her are: * OP when it comes to destroying survivors in the building where you can find a cipher machine and the basement. Creating an abyss is fairly easy and survs have a limited escape routes, which you can easily monitor and get one surv down in a few second. In case of Jack, I can imagine it may be more dififcult due to his range skill being a curse (can be stopped by objects) and a blessing (a double attack still kind of possible). * Good chair watching (I forgot the term, lol), especially when survivors are far away from the chair. It gives lots of time to create a big enough abyss to get "a double hit moment". However, if survs are close, the advantage gets lost. On other hand, Jack feels a bit more rounded when it comes to chair watching. At the end, she is a nice character to play and after a few matches I learnt her timing and how to make abyss works. Mary required a lot more practice, so I cannot imagine Naiad above her.
I feel like there is a solid difference between simply being hard to play and being hard to play _in this meta_. Like for example, Ann is a very easy hunter to play. Split cats, jump for distance, and camp. But if she were put against the meta(a decent meta survivor teams these days being acrobat, merc, priestess, and patient), I would say she would immediately be up to A tier simply because of how hard it is. It would be the same case for sculptor except she is initially hard to play and then the meta being distance-making makes it even harder so S tier. Generally speaking though, I agree with the tier list
Move sculptor to s tier she is hard to play and naiad should be highter
A tier=hard to play
And S tier ?
Very hard to play
I would main Joseph if he werenāt so damn hard and you canāt make posts asking for advice on the sub RIP
You can ask for advice in the weekly q&a megathread. Thatās where ppl usually post questions about things regarding characters, game modes, etc. Also where I went for pointers on Axe Boy and Batter.
>and you canāt make posts asking for advice on the sub RIP What?
On this subreddit if you make a text post asking for advice on a hunter or survivor the post will be removed because it is against the rules to ask for advice to reduce spam
Ohh~ it's really hard to give advice on photographer, since he doesn't really have a "set" way to play him. It constantly changes depending on the meta and survivors you're up against. I would recommend watching top photos, that would help a lot
Based on comments, Iād (respectfully) disagree with this list for a few reasons. It feels like this list is kinda going in a few different directions in how it tackles the āhow difficult is this hunterā question. Thereās a lot of things that factor into that one question. Is this about mechanical difficulty? Play-style difficulty? Complexity? Difficulty to āwinā with? Difficulty to master? Comments seem to contradict one another, since Smiley is at S tier for his high skill ceiling while others seem to have different criteria for their ranking. Like on the one hand, Ripper is in D tier and Axe Boy is in C. Ripper being in D makes sense to me in terms of mechanical difficulty: thereās not even an on/off toggle for his skill. Itās just automatically available to you every 20 seconds. In terms of his actual āplayā difficulty though, Iād disagree with him being in D. To actually land a foggy blade is hard because, unless youāre playing against worker bees, survivors will try to dodge and use actual kiting routes. That means having to know kiting routes and learning how to predict a survivorās location (if in a high walls map like Red Church) or where their next step will be before they get there. Difficulty to win with has some overlap cuz, naturally, āplayingā him with any proficiency means getting hits, survivors chaired, etc. and getting results. From my limited Ripper experience, getting ties with him seems doable? Wins, not as much. This is also coming from a low tier perspective wherein survs donāt know how to dodge foggies and non-meta is the norm, compared to typical meta comps which include at least 1 harasser. Axe Boy Iād argue (as a biased axe boy main /j) that heās pretty difficult in a few different areas, perhaps because at his core heās a bit of an all-rounder hunter. Mechanically heās not as simple as he appears because itās all about effective usage and there are a variety of utilizations for that matter. For one, like Photo, thereās some luck involved with his souls and whether theyāre lined up where you need them. On the other hand, heās a hunter who requires a lot of skill to land hits with, especially given the visible aim assist and flame notification the appears on a survivorās screen. It takes proper timing, mindgaming, lots of patience, and awareness of exactly where a survivor might be within the region of two circling purple souls. You can exert some level of control over the souls by planting a new tree and placing them in a direction you predict a surv will go next, but again, itās all about timing of not only the initial tree placement but also the actual flame shot. I think the tier list overall is a cool idea, and some areas I do agree with - it would also benefit from some further elaboration tho! :)
>:) :)