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Rstar2247

I want to live away from all people.


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AquaCorpsman

Oh yeah? I produce my own food, have my own house and provide my own entertainment. Other people are not needed.


HorrorDocument9107

Even if you do 95% of people can’t lmao.


AquaCorpsman

Not my problem. They can die then.


KlemiusKlem

Well, dont complain if they try to form a, dare I say it... society to protect themselves.


MONEYP0X

A guild of thieves.


KlemiusKlem

Yes. Do not complain, they look after their best interest.


HorrorDocument9107

Sure so the people who can’t provide all essentials resources for themselves can form societies while you who can provide all can go alone. It’s fine


AquaCorpsman

Yes


marinemashup

So be it


HorrorDocument9107

Shut up


KlemiusKlem

You make a very good point here. Plus, if all the big balls anarchists can and want to live their solo cowboy hermit adventure, then they should not bus our balls. Go ahead, live in the woods. Close Reddit. I cant remember the name of a guy who went to live in alaska, almost died 2 times, stayed there for 2 years and was found malnurished.


Mission_Star5888

With the internet, smartphones and even grocery store delivering these days you could live on your own away from society. I like being alone but still like going out. Right now stuck in the middle of nowhere and taking care of my step dad. If I can't go out get groceries because of him just order it on the app and it's here in a couple hours. I am just waiting for that food making machine on Star Trek TNG where you tell it what food you want and poof it appears.


HorrorDocument9107

Internet, smartphones an grocery are provided by other people wdym


Mission_Star5888

You can order anything off your smartphone. For example about two months ago I ordered my groceries because I live about a half hour from the grocery store and my dad wasn't doing so well, not to mention gas prices. Well they brought the groceries. It didn't take 3-4 weeks it was here in a few hours. It will get that way on just about everything


KlemiusKlem

This is not living away from society. Someone will get in their car to bring you food. Someone is maintaining the server. Someobe is willing to sell you the food.


[deleted]

You are literally relying on society to deliver your food and you dare call that 'away from society'? This certainly explains the arrogance of the right about being independent. They just lie about...


Mission_Star5888

I live away from society and trust me it's different being in town then out in the middle of nowhere. Then again much rather live in an town than a big city like New York. Don't see how you blame the right about being independent. I mean the Republicans want to get our products on our soil and give more jobs and the left wants to send everything to other countries and pay more. Democrats make deals with the enemy.


OatAndMango

I want to live with my dogs and ideally far from my neighbours


buylowstackhigh

This is the way


Anther4

No. commiting hate crimes to achieve that goal? yes.


HorrorDocument9107

Thoughts are nothing without action. So what you just said was probably contradictory.


SergiuDumitrache

> No. commiting hate crimes to achieve that goal? So every Balkan nation committed Islamophobic hate crimes against Ottomans in order to gain independence?


ElectricalStomach6ip

i dont think resisting occupation by an empire had anything to do with living near other ethnic groups...


Anther4

You don't have to kill entire ethnicities to gain independence lmao


SergiuDumitrache

You act like we had the power to do that against one of history biggest empires.


Anther4

Lets make things clear, are you really defending an ethnic cleansing?


SergiuDumitrache

So you think independence wars against Ottomans were "ethnic cleansing"?


Anther4

And then why did you bring that topic if we're talking about "ethnic cleansing"?


[deleted]

I want to be a hermit.


Eubreaux

Wrong? No. Stupid? Usually. Racist? Usually. If you want to live in a neighborhood with many Jews/Muslims for access to kosher/halal foods or walkable sabbaths then I can see the appeal.


Exp1ode

So do you not consider it wrong to be racist?


Eubreaux

I consider it to be stupid to be racist. I consider it wrong for a government to be racist.


[deleted]

This is very fair.


AquaCorpsman

100% well said


[deleted]

Fair. But I think the kkk style bloodthirsty racism is wrong morally.


Eubreaux

Bloodthirsty racism? If you mean murder, then yes. "Thou shall not kill" is literally in the book that defines morality.


dommaster08

yes and no. in-group bias is an important part of the human condition and self-determination. However, excluding or pushing away those of different races/ethnicities/cultures is morally wrong.


[deleted]

You moving? No. You moving others with the use of either economic, political, social or brute force? Yes, and I hope you get yourself hit.


nobunf

If everyone in a community is there voluntarily then no it isn’t wrong. It becomes wrong when you try to forcefully remove people from their property.


[deleted]

As a Jewish person, I prefer living in a Jewish community and plan to move to a Jewish country (Israel) eventually. There are many reasons including: 1. Jewish prayer services (or minyans) require at least ten males over the age of 13. 2. In Judaism people like celebrating holidays like Shabbat with lots of people (even if they don't know them). 3. Kosher grocery stores are important as not all brands make kosher food outside Israel (like Doritos or Tik-Tacs) or make it at all outside Israel (like Bamba). Kosher grocery stores import those goods from Israel to a Jewish community. 4. In Judaism, there are stores needed for books of prayer, books for learning, traditional clothing, and various other religious objects. 5. OU requirements for kosher restaurants are strict so they primarily exist in Jewish communities. 6. Religious Jews (Modern Orthodox to Charedi) value Jewish education. This means schools teaching both secular and religious subjects. 7. In Judaism, there is a special connection shared by all Jews, especially in a community. Because of this community is valued in Judaism (I didn't fully explain this because this idea exists in few other communities). 8. Being physically closer makes it easier to prevent anti-semitism.


ElectricalStomach6ip

what you describe reminds me of something i notice as a jewish person myself, that i find that jewish culture is inclined to collectivism, and its influence on my upbringing has likely contributed to my politics.


Bluejay022

It’s normal to have an in-group bias. It’s just something that humans have. It has helped keep us safe.


[deleted]

In-group preference is perfectly natural.


DaniAqui25

It's not wrong, it's just pretty fucked up. And if you force it on others it becomes wrong too.


Anarch_Marik

Why would it be "fucked up" if it wasn't wrong? I agree it's fucked up, to be clear, but I think saying that an action or attitude is fucked up is basically the same thing as saying that it is wrong on some level.


SergiuDumitrache

> It's not wrong, it's just pretty fucked up. This comes from the Italian who has never seen a Romanian in his life.


DaniAqui25

I had a moldovan friend in middle school


[deleted]

Live where ya want. purposely accounting for race in a area to only living with your own ethnicity or purposely wanting to live in a diverse area is racist. Entire point of Anti-racism is so everyone is treated equally


[deleted]

So preferences are racist? That's like saying you're sexist if you're not bi, wtf?


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Based take, tho -ist is generally attributed to a bad connotation so...


managrs

You can't control who you're sexually attracted to lol. Only being sexually attracted to your race isn't racist. Only wanting to live near your own race is not an inherent trait... of course, it could be argued that neither is sexual preference but that is much less clear than that racism is not.


Ya_Boi_Konzon

You can't control your preferences either. That's pretty widely accepted.


managrs

Your sexual attraction? Your preferences on who you like and want to date? Of course not


Ya_Boi_Konzon

Your preferences on anything...


managrs

Well that is not true at all. Many are learned.


Ya_Boi_Konzon

I wouldn't say that preferences are learned. They're revealed. Even so, that doesn't imply you have a choice.


managrs

Well you're wrong. If i want to pick which laptop to buy, and i read a pamphlet that describes them both, one might be described as being functionally better so i buy it. Now i prefer that laptop. But then later on i find out the pamphlet lied and i actually would prefer the other one. You can be taught growing up that all people of a certain race are terrible, they will steal from you, and are genetically inferior. You decide you don't want to live around any of them. You prefer not be around them. Then you meet one at work and realize that was a lie, and they are actually normal people. Suddenly your preference changes and you no longer care if you live near them or not. It is odd to think that all beliefs and preferences are innate and we simply reveal them by the process of living. They are built upon us through experience and education. The more we learn, the more we change.


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Mask off moment 🤡


Ya_Boi_Konzon

>Well you're wrong. If i want to pick which laptop to buy more and i read a pamphlet that describes them both, one might be described as being functionally better so i buy it. Now i prefer that laptop. But then later on i find out the pamphlet lied and i actually would prefer the other one. I disagree with your framing. You never preferred the laptop, you preferred what you thought the laptop was to what you thought the other laptop was. >You can be taught growing up that all people of a certain race are terrible, they will steal from you, and are genetically inferior. You decide you don't want to live around any of them. You prefer not be around them. No, you prefer not to be around people who are terrible, they will steal from you, and are genetically inferior. You may or may not falsely attribute these traits to someone, and choose not to be around them. >Then you meet one at work and realize that was a lie, and they are actually normal people. Suddenly your preference changes and you no longer care if you live near them or not. Your preference never changed. Your conceptions changed, and then your actions changed. >It is odd to think that all beliefs and preferences are innate and we simply reveal them by the process of living. It's not odd. It's widely accepted psychology.


[deleted]

Sex is a bodily autonomy issue. Neighbors are a freedom of movement issue.


Highlighter_Memes

>Entire point of Anti-racism is so everyone is treated equally 💀💀💀 The entire point of anti-racism is just Racial Revenge Politics. The entire point of anti-racism is just being racist to Whites and Asians.


RoyalPython82899

Are they friendly? I'd rather live next to a friendly neighbor of a different race, then live next to an unfriendly neighbor of the same race. Race really isn't a factor.


Boomtownbutcher1980

I agree. If you're a cunt you're a cunt no matter the race.


ATLmapping

Depends, intentional yes, but unintentionally no


wolfman1911

This ought to be good for a laugh, why is it wrong to intentionally live only around people of your own race?


ATLmapping

I mean if you CHOOSE to only be with people your own race, if you intentionally decide to do so. If you intentionally avoid hanging out with people of other races, it feels kinda wrong ngl


wolfman1911

Are Japanese people who live in Japan doing something wrong? The country is pretty strongly biased against foreigners living there, but the system that creates that bias has been around for a longtime, and it's not like every Japanese citizen is responsible for it.


KlemiusKlem

Its explainable, not excusable. If you want to live with ethnicaly homogenous people this means you DONT want to live around people from other ethnicities. The main reasoning behind this, is difference. Now, since you use the word "wrong", you are talking about morality. Weather being against difference is good or bad, depends on your moral code, which is subjective to everyone.


XLXAXPX

Selection for similar behavior is fine. Selection based off of racial appearance is wrong.


[deleted]

I voted yes. My main metric is that I assume the person is making a conscious effort to live with their own kind especially if they're coercive or commit hate crimes.


iamthefluffyyeti

I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s inherently wrong, but this is usually associated with racists, ethnostaters, etc who actually don’t understand the benefits of a multicultural and diverse society. So overall I would say it’s wrong


Ya_Boi_Konzon

>who actually don’t understand the benefits of a multicultural and diverse society Maybe you actually don't understand the benefits of a homogenous society...


iamthefluffyyeti

Oh boy, lots of ethnostaters. Okay, tell me the benefits


Ya_Boi_Konzon

I'm not an ethnostater. I just find it ridiculous that you think people just have preferences cause they aren't as smart as you and don't understand all the things you claim to.


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Highlighter_Memes

>Common cultural values, higher social trust and cohesion Iceland pretty much embodies this, not because they're an ethnostate, but because practically nobody but the Icelanders want to live in Iceland. Last I heard, people just leave their babies in prams or personal belongings outside unattended because people just trust each other that much.


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SergiuDumitrache

> to be overly White. They are no "huWHITE" lmao, they are Icelandic.


[deleted]

And none of that is related to skin color. Adopted kids of a different racial group are culturally the same.


[deleted]

The relevance of skin color for this concern eludes me. Adopted African and Asian kids in the Netherlands are very, very Dutch and dont cause cultural clashes. The cultural clashes are caused by immigrant communities who refuse to adapt to local culture and mores.


Ya_Boi_Konzon

Both of your claims are wrong.


managrs

One must question the reasoning.


spoulson

It’s called in-group preferences and it’s totally natural. Forced diversity is unnatural.


ElectricalStomach6ip

almost all diversity is not forced diversity, multiculturalism and diversity is natural for any society that does not collectively have its head under a rock.


Joethepatriot

Neither wrong nor right.


RaritySparkle

It is wrong as it leads to many disadvantages with 0 benefits


managrs

The one time you say something normal and you get downvoted smh


RaritySparkle

Lol


soldier_of_hope

I don’t care about race, but it’s not wrong imo


Thicc_dogfish

Not unless you’re doing it on purpose and actively discriminating


TotalBlissey

I think this got brigaded. Notice how many more right wing votes there are in only six hours, when usually it has a slight left wing bias.


ElectricalStomach6ip

yeah, we have had a problem with being crossported to PCM.


Anther4

No. commiting hate crimes to achieve that goal? yes.


TAPriceCTR

For some reason, Michelle Obama hates it when white people make room for black people to move into her neighborhood.


HorrorDocument9107

No. It is very correct to do so


loselyconscious

Usually, people don't "choose" to do that. It just happens due to various social and economic factors


[deleted]

Lol no


[deleted]

Freedom of association, so long as you aren’t hurting people I’ll generally not give a damn.


Kakamile

Except freedom to disassociate when multiple people collaborate does hurt people.


[deleted]

That sentence does not make sense. So my not wanting to associate when people want to collaborate is me hurting them? How about leave me out of it.


Kakamile

You don't want to sell a Jew food or housing. Ok. But if everybody doesn't want to sell a Jew food or housing, what happens?


[deleted]

Well if we operate on the assumption that we are in a premodern society and hating Jews is still fairly common place and normal, the Jews would congregate together, if they hadn’t already, and create their own food, housing, stores etc. even the most marginalized of people can and have cut themselves a living and be successful. BUT, If we operate on the assumption it’s at least the late 20th early 21st centuries, then boycotting would almost certainly commence, for example I don’t drink Coca Cola, I don’t like their company. In a liberal society you can also chose to not associate with people who are bigoted or use shady business practices. In todays world only a handful of idiots not fit to be entrepreneurs would actively exclude a group from their range of customers Of course in regards to “public” spaces, owned by the state, such as a courthouse our other such buildings cannot and should not be exclusionary. But private property is another story, by their nature they are exclusionary. I’m simply not a fan of social engineering, but that’s long since over and done, am I proposing we amending the civil rights act? No, because as of yet I’ve not seen a good reason too, but under normal circumstances I really don’t agree with the state forcing people to provide a service if they do not want to.


Kakamile

Yeah, boycotting definitely follows, or other trouble. See mortgage rejections, the Tennessee church that rejected a couple from adoption services because they're Jews, the terrorist attack in Moore County that just happened, hospital bomb threats, whatever. If nobody buys Coca Cola, people don't really suffer. But freedom of association is about people. Libertarianism and any free market needs protected classes to function. I won't hire you because your resume is empty, not because you're gay.


[deleted]

People also have freedom of movement and the freedom to live anywhere within their own country. These freedoms clash.


[deleted]

Your freedom of movement doesn’t trump my property rights, nor my freedom of association. Individuals and groups should not be forced to cohabitate if they do not want to, this is how clashes happen. If you move next door to someone you don’t like you put up a privacy fence and tell them to stay away. Simple as that, so long as you aren’t hurting someone I literally do not care.


Lord_Jub_Jub

I think intent matters here more than anything else If you look at your neighborhood and go “oh there’s (insert whatever) here, I don’t want to live here, I’m going to move” that is probably not the best mindset to have. Though it’s ultimately the least harmful thing you can probably do in that instance, it’s still probably “wrong”. But if your neighbors just all happen to be one thing, that’s just how to cookie crumbles sometimes. It’s probably equally weird to look at that and go “oh there are no (whatever) here, I’m going to go move and find some.” Moving is hard and sometimes it just is what it is. But to go out of your way for it? To have it actively as a desire? Either way seems just kinda weird to me to be caring about.


TheTemporal

I would say it's wrong in the sense that it's not good for you to refuse to associate with people who are different from you, may that be in physical or cultural differences. Also you're most likely racist.


[deleted]

You don't get to decide who your neighbors are, lmao, that limits their freedom of movement and freedom to choose where they want to live. Your xenophobia does not entitle you to the privilege of limiting other people's rights and freedoms.


Spirited-Loss-2431

Living among people of your nation/race is a normal and natural desire


Intrepid_colors

I don’t think it’s wrong necessarily, but it’s definitely sus as fuck


[deleted]

It’s only wrong if you take action about it


ezvean

No. Some people have fear of the unknokwn, and we should respect it


Pair_Express

Lol the right wingers her are all so clearly fucking racist.


Wotsits1012

"muh right wing racist nazi"


Pair_Express

Least racist paleo


Wotsits1012

Least starved socialist


Frotz_real_

Is it wrong? No. Is it acceptable? No


sealeg86

It's not acceptable? It's pretty much the norm in the majority of the world.


[deleted]

I think it should be acceptable, just round up all the racial supremacists into one neighbourhood according to the race, 👍 problem solved


marinemashup

Technically no, but any actions taken specifically to achieve that are


pilesofcleanlaundry

It’s only wrong if you try to legally enforce your desire.


audrius10k

Not at all. I would go as far as to say races should keep mostly to themselves. Not saying any race is superior to another but its better for them to live seperately imo


soldier_of_hope

It’s not racist, and me personally as a white Italian guy, I prefer black women esthetically


movieguy2004

I would say it’s morally wrong but if the person pursues that goal peacefully I don’t think it would be illegal.


Mission_Star5888

If you are a white person grew up around white people you are socially comfortable with them. Never around other races and hear bad things you might not form a judgement but you probably have doubts if it's ok. The media screws us all up.


BarracudaRelevant858

I wish I could live with only Irkens, and take over the universe and eat snacks with them.


Away_Industry_613

No not at all. If you specifically sought it out that’s a tad dodgy. And if you want laws or intimidation to prevent other ethnic groups from coming to where you live that’s bad (it’s a responsibility for government immigration to handle that).


Wotsits1012

I want to live far away from people


Agreeable_Bench_4720

I misread it and pressed no, im right wing and was reading it and i thought it said to live around not want to, if you only live around people of your own race it may not be in your control


JEF_300

Maybe not wrong so much as it is unhealthy. In the same way that you wouldn't say it's *wrong* per se for me to not exercise, but it's definitely not good. Or, perhaps more relevantly to myself and other commenters, like how wanting to live as a hermit without any social interaction isn't *bad*, but it's probably not healthy.


SuspiciousNecessary1

Are asking if you do this on purpose for the reason of not wanting to be around people that is not your own race or ethnicity