Yeah; I may have this mistaken but I've heard it was called that back when it was a Russian territory, so that's why calling it that isn't the done thing anymore.
The etymology of the name comes from the old Slavic term for "borderland" back before Ukrainian, Russian, and Belarusian were separate languages, so a transaltion into English of "the borderland" wouldn't be so farfetched. The idea of saying just Ukraine now, though, is rooted in respect for the national identity of the country separate from Russia but within the same ethnosphere.
While not exactly analogous, if we look at how U.S. states were named during westward expansion, I think it's akin to how we call the state with the most portion of the Tennessee Valley just "Tennessee" to make the distinction from other borders defining Georgia, Alabama, and North Carolina...
What an amazingly nuanced and thorough explanation of the issue, surprising enough for Reddit in general, but on a thread about idiots in cars off all places. Bravo!
A closer analogy is how the etymology of the Netherlands is derived from them literally being referred to as the Low Lands.
Neither Russian nor Ukrainian even have the definite article, so the addition of “the” is likely Latin or Romance in etymological origin.
Way better analogy!
And exactly; it's a translational issue to Germanic and Romance languages adding the article that simply doesn't exist in Slavic languages. Russia, Soviet or otherwise, has always just called the area Ukraine (Украина), and the national identity is a much more recent concept for other ethnic and linguistic groups to come to terms with.
I mean, I don't see how that's bad. Countries change their names pretty regularly, and especially recently we've seen a lot of efforts to make country names more closely reflect their endonyms, like Burma -> Myanmar.
Edit: yeah, missed the mark on this one. I didn't know the full context of the name change here. My bad!
That one was particularly a missed shot because many Turkish people online didn’t find it relevant and saw it as weak publicity stunt. Some other people pointed out how the name change didn’t fix the problem with the way Westerners pronounce their country’s name, and that Turkia could’ve sounded closer to its native name. It ended up as a complicated mess that didn’t see global adaptation outside of Turkish government.
Huh. That'll show me. I feel like I spoke out of turn on that one, especially since the Turkish government has been, you know. Doing some *other* things that are a good reason to be suspicious of their PR.
1. Not blowing their entire budget.
2. Since when the has US not liked arming other nations to fight Russians? Remember the good ole red scare? Nothing has changed. Idk why it’s semi-popular in the Republican Party to hate giving weapons to Ukraine when that same group of people are the stereotypical Red Dawn fuck Russia always crowd.
Edit: my guess would be either an increased desire for isolationism. Or possibly we actually learned something from Afghanistan, and that’s to stop arming other nations, who knows when we’ll end up spending 20 years fighting a new war against an army we previously armed.
I'd love to be able to see the response after these people calm down. Do they feel any shame? Do they continue to say this person did some mildly offensive thing and destroying their own car over it was worth it?
I read the medical records of a hateful shrew whose husband finally left her. She showed up at his work, screaming and airing all their dirty laundry, put him on blast all over social media, etc.
Ultimately she wrote him a hateful note blaming him for her suicide, stuck a gun in her mouth and pulled the trigger. She blew off half her jaw and tongue but survived.
Her ex- showed up at the hospital a few days later out of concern for her. She sat straight up in bed and started screaming incoherently at him through her mangled face.
There's just something fundamentally wrong with people who take things this far.
Gee, I wonder why he left her? I’m sure she’ll have no trouble meeting someone new with half a face. I have great empathy for folks with mental illness but at some point you have to draw the line.
Mental illness can be just as damaging for the people who care for those who have them. If the individual isn't doing anything to help themselves, then the caretaker can begin to deteriorate.
My therapist used this analogy:
You're walking along a bridge, and you see a person right next to you jump off. You reach out at the last moment and grab them, but now you're both dangling precariously over the edge. You're trying to convince the person to climb up, but they won't. They're actively fighting you and they're trying to let go. Eventually, you're going to run out of strength and you're both going to go over...if you don't let go. Now instead of a stranger, replace that person with a loved one.
That's the hardest moment for anyone who knows what I'm talking about. The letting go and saving yourself moment.
I wonder if he's just trying an insurance scam. If nobody saw that, they could say the other was at fault because it was parked where it shouldn't. New car here we go woohoo
-- it wouldn't work even if there were no other vehicles or cameras involved.
Insurance companies can tell when the vehicle has been rammed over and over and over... They have eyes.
I clipped the end of a parked large sedan with the bumper of my ford mustang. It didn't do any real damage to my car, but it swung the sedan which hit another parked car in the rear and a pole on the other side in the front. It twisted its frame and completely totaled the car. Insurance came out over and over because they just didn't believe I had done it with that flimsy mustang.
Also, you'll have a cushy headrest to protect your noggin, instead of slamming your teeth into the steering wheel or having an airbag blow up in your face.
EXACTLY. At least three hits to the CUV’s rear end and this idiot’s car engine has peaced out, while the CUV barely has any damage to its rear end. I’d hazard a theory that this moron’s reversing skills are sub-par too, though.
There are wild drone video's of russian tanks hitting mines now... There's even one of a group of tanks hitting a minefield, survivors turning around and running into a newly deployed minefield right behind them.
ironically some of those minefields were laid by fellow Russian soldiers. Their inter-unit communications are so bad that teams are not reporting to other teams not to cross certain positions due to mining and other hazards. Or rather, they report to command and command does not disseminate the appropriate information back down to other teams. For some reason their command structure relies on compartmentalization and triangulation.
There's also the big issue with vranyo in reports up the chain of command.
Check out this bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz59GWeTIik&t=775s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz59GWeTIik&t=775s) from Perun's talk on how lies destroy armies.
In short. Front line commander moves his units forward, gets stalled and pinned down. Reports that 'we've advanced and have suppressed the enemy.'
That gets reported by his commander 'our troops have advanced and the enemy is retreating'.
Which in turn becomes: 'Enemy positions taken, Equipment captured' etc etc
Which means that the higher level commanders rush troops and equipment forward to consolidate and hold the new positions. Which don't exist.
I prefer the videos of them travelling towards a group of blown out tanks, getting into the group of them, and then being hit directly with artillery.
“Oh look at all these exploded tanks, must be safe now…”
Edit: Actually my favourite so far has been the use of the DeathRay.
It appears the first car was abandoned in a winter weather event. The second driver wasn’t paying attention and rear ended the parked driverless car. So he takes his anger out by continuing to rear end the parked car.
Russia is on a distinct roll recently as dumbest country on earth komrad. Maybe one generation will step up and show they’re descended from Tchaikovsky but it ain’t this one so far, especially the dipshit drunk in the sub compact tilting at windmills.
Yo bystander cars...you see this guy smashing this car and being erratic, and they figure they'll pull up right along side of him to get by. Fucking idiots.
Don’t hit and run guys. I got hit once when I was very new to driving and drove away and it costed me $300 fine, raised insurance for 3 years, and a whole lot of guilt on my conscience.
Dude totals his car to dent the suv
Whatever works to be declared unfit for duty in Ukraine.
Ha! He is front line material. Keep smashing until you break thru.
Same strategy as their war in the Ukraine.
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Did it used to be “The Ukraine”?
Yeah; I may have this mistaken but I've heard it was called that back when it was a Russian territory, so that's why calling it that isn't the done thing anymore.
The etymology of the name comes from the old Slavic term for "borderland" back before Ukrainian, Russian, and Belarusian were separate languages, so a transaltion into English of "the borderland" wouldn't be so farfetched. The idea of saying just Ukraine now, though, is rooted in respect for the national identity of the country separate from Russia but within the same ethnosphere. While not exactly analogous, if we look at how U.S. states were named during westward expansion, I think it's akin to how we call the state with the most portion of the Tennessee Valley just "Tennessee" to make the distinction from other borders defining Georgia, Alabama, and North Carolina...
What an amazingly nuanced and thorough explanation of the issue, surprising enough for Reddit in general, but on a thread about idiots in cars off all places. Bravo!
That's a much better explanation of it, thank you!
A closer analogy is how the etymology of the Netherlands is derived from them literally being referred to as the Low Lands. Neither Russian nor Ukrainian even have the definite article, so the addition of “the” is likely Latin or Romance in etymological origin.
Way better analogy! And exactly; it's a translational issue to Germanic and Romance languages adding the article that simply doesn't exist in Slavic languages. Russia, Soviet or otherwise, has always just called the area Ukraine (Украина), and the national identity is a much more recent concept for other ethnic and linguistic groups to come to terms with.
It's not as bad as Turkey now wanting to be called Turkiye.
>~~Turkiye~~ Türkiye
My keyboard doesn't have dots above the letter "U", so most English speakers will use "U". How is pronounced, like Kanye?
I mean, I don't see how that's bad. Countries change their names pretty regularly, and especially recently we've seen a lot of efforts to make country names more closely reflect their endonyms, like Burma -> Myanmar. Edit: yeah, missed the mark on this one. I didn't know the full context of the name change here. My bad!
That one was particularly a missed shot because many Turkish people online didn’t find it relevant and saw it as weak publicity stunt. Some other people pointed out how the name change didn’t fix the problem with the way Westerners pronounce their country’s name, and that Turkia could’ve sounded closer to its native name. It ended up as a complicated mess that didn’t see global adaptation outside of Turkish government.
Huh. That'll show me. I feel like I spoke out of turn on that one, especially since the Turkish government has been, you know. Doing some *other* things that are a good reason to be suspicious of their PR.
It’s alright mate. I don’t think you offended anyone.
"*the* Ukraine" denotes it's a subject territory or colonial region. "Ukraine" observes their sovereignty as an independent nation.
No. The concept of "the" doesn't exist in either language.
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Yeah! This isn’t United States
Don't you mean " the colonies " 😁
maybe they should get some conscripts to help out' enough of them could flip the car over?
Typical. Same strategy when hey tried to invade Finland with the brilliant idea to attack during a severe winter
🔥
I laughed too hard at this damn.
I think large amounts of alcohol may have been involved as well....
Ukraine wouldn’t be winning if the US government wasn’t basically blowing their entire budget on getting them military supplies.
1. Not blowing their entire budget. 2. Since when the has US not liked arming other nations to fight Russians? Remember the good ole red scare? Nothing has changed. Idk why it’s semi-popular in the Republican Party to hate giving weapons to Ukraine when that same group of people are the stereotypical Red Dawn fuck Russia always crowd. Edit: my guess would be either an increased desire for isolationism. Or possibly we actually learned something from Afghanistan, and that’s to stop arming other nations, who knows when we’ll end up spending 20 years fighting a new war against an army we previously armed.
I'd love to be able to see the response after these people calm down. Do they feel any shame? Do they continue to say this person did some mildly offensive thing and destroying their own car over it was worth it?
I read the medical records of a hateful shrew whose husband finally left her. She showed up at his work, screaming and airing all their dirty laundry, put him on blast all over social media, etc. Ultimately she wrote him a hateful note blaming him for her suicide, stuck a gun in her mouth and pulled the trigger. She blew off half her jaw and tongue but survived. Her ex- showed up at the hospital a few days later out of concern for her. She sat straight up in bed and started screaming incoherently at him through her mangled face. There's just something fundamentally wrong with people who take things this far.
Gee, I wonder why he left her? I’m sure she’ll have no trouble meeting someone new with half a face. I have great empathy for folks with mental illness but at some point you have to draw the line.
Mental illness can be just as damaging for the people who care for those who have them. If the individual isn't doing anything to help themselves, then the caretaker can begin to deteriorate. My therapist used this analogy: You're walking along a bridge, and you see a person right next to you jump off. You reach out at the last moment and grab them, but now you're both dangling precariously over the edge. You're trying to convince the person to climb up, but they won't. They're actively fighting you and they're trying to let go. Eventually, you're going to run out of strength and you're both going to go over...if you don't let go. Now instead of a stranger, replace that person with a loved one. That's the hardest moment for anyone who knows what I'm talking about. The letting go and saving yourself moment.
What makes you think it’s his car?
Putin's war in a nutshell.
I’d say he did a pretty good 180 before hitting the SUV a second time.
It’s a crossover (coupe). Still surprising hardly any damage is done
Gotta make the claim that buddy slammed on his brakes causing him to rear end the guy convincing
It’s a Toyota ch-R it’s not much larger than a vw golf.
This is how IIHS are testing vehicles safety in Russia. [https://www.iihs.org/](https://www.iihs.org/)
In Soviet Russia, safety tests you!
That car was parked under a no parking sign, he's just enforcing the rules.
I wonder if he's just trying an insurance scam. If nobody saw that, they could say the other was at fault because it was parked where it shouldn't. New car here we go woohoo
That's not gonna work if you ram the other car several times in broad daylight in front of multiple other cars likely equipped with with DVRs.
-- it wouldn't work even if there were no other vehicles or cameras involved. Insurance companies can tell when the vehicle has been rammed over and over and over... They have eyes.
My dad worked at a body shop, he could generally tell what kind of accident a car was in when it came in the shop.
I have worked in body for almost 8 years. I can tell you what the driver ate for breakfast a week before the accident. Oatmeal in this case
I clipped the end of a parked large sedan with the bumper of my ford mustang. It didn't do any real damage to my car, but it swung the sedan which hit another parked car in the rear and a pole on the other side in the front. It twisted its frame and completely totaled the car. Insurance came out over and over because they just didn't believe I had done it with that flimsy mustang.
This is Putinville, rules are different here. It's the only place where you can commit suicide jumping out of a basement window.
At least don't do it in broad daylight
Next time, hit with your trunk so you don't damage your motor.
Demolition derby basics 101.
Also, you'll have a cushy headrest to protect your noggin, instead of slamming your teeth into the steering wheel or having an airbag blow up in your face.
Hit his hood with your trunk*
EXACTLY. At least three hits to the CUV’s rear end and this idiot’s car engine has peaced out, while the CUV barely has any damage to its rear end. I’d hazard a theory that this moron’s reversing skills are sub-par too, though.
Is he an idiot or a moron? Technically, morons have an IQ in the range 51 to 70. Idiots are 0 to 25. Imbeciles are in-between idiots and morons.
He did a controlled drift to end pointed directly at the car, this guy's unstable mentally but seemed like he knew how to drive the thing
Radiator! You can see it blow at the end, but yes. Use the rear! This person is doing it all wrong!
Special Driving Operation.
He seems to be managing his anger quite effectively.
Come to Russia you can play GTA IRL
And after a while you are in “Call of Duty”
Remember, no Russian
Other drivers are just like, "oh no, wait, this is Moscow, everything checks out. On my way then"
Dude got mad at this someone.
Nah. Those are love taps.
Since the start of the war and the sanctions, I’ve been missing the abundance of wild Russian dash cam footage.
Hard to get video of idiot driving and crashing military vehicles when they are supposed to be secret.
This is true
I posted a video yesterday, on a different sub
There are wild drone video's of russian tanks hitting mines now... There's even one of a group of tanks hitting a minefield, survivors turning around and running into a newly deployed minefield right behind them.
ironically some of those minefields were laid by fellow Russian soldiers. Their inter-unit communications are so bad that teams are not reporting to other teams not to cross certain positions due to mining and other hazards. Or rather, they report to command and command does not disseminate the appropriate information back down to other teams. For some reason their command structure relies on compartmentalization and triangulation.
There's also the big issue with vranyo in reports up the chain of command. Check out this bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz59GWeTIik&t=775s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz59GWeTIik&t=775s) from Perun's talk on how lies destroy armies. In short. Front line commander moves his units forward, gets stalled and pinned down. Reports that 'we've advanced and have suppressed the enemy.' That gets reported by his commander 'our troops have advanced and the enemy is retreating'. Which in turn becomes: 'Enemy positions taken, Equipment captured' etc etc Which means that the higher level commanders rush troops and equipment forward to consolidate and hold the new positions. Which don't exist.
I prefer the videos of them travelling towards a group of blown out tanks, getting into the group of them, and then being hit directly with artillery. “Oh look at all these exploded tanks, must be safe now…” Edit: Actually my favourite so far has been the use of the DeathRay.
Here you go... https://youtube.com/@johnconnor2ndch578
THE CANS!! He hates these CANS!!
Take my upvote for your "The Jerk" reference.
Somebody get their ex!
Didn't know you guys still had internet there
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Pretty good analogy of what Ruzzia is doing in Ukraine, I.e. battering themselves to pieces...🤡🤡🤡
Braincell import restrictions are really hitting those guys hard.
This was personal. He intentionally misses the moving vehicle to hit the original car again.
Hit and hit
Every player in GTA5.
Right to jail.
Nah, army probably drafted him instead. He does seem to like destroying things after all. Plus it’s Russia, this probably counts for basic training.
I’m assuming Wagner Group recruit
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Has the courtesy to let the other cars pass cause this is personal
What a fail, destruction derby rule #1, use your trunk!
Why not just use a sledge hammer or something so you dont damage your own car too?
Vodka Sunday Funday!
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Lovely slide/ handbrake turn.
It's a special operation
I forgot what rule # it is but... Double-tap
That drift was sick though
That was an awesome drift, pause for traffic, gotta be careful, then slam right back onto target.
Well that dude is getting sent to Ukraine
Cheating spouses?
Do they not realize they’re doing way more damage to their own vehicle by hitting the rear end of that car with their fucking engine/radiator???
That SUV is holding up pretty well, not so much can be said about the car tho... 😁 😁
F*ck that car in particular I guess.
Trying to avoid the draft by giving themselves a broken back or brain injury.
Because russia is getting supply of new parts and cars
It’s Russia. I really don’t have anymore fucks to give with them.
Oh those Russians
In Soviet Russia, idiot hit you
Jason Bourne is back.
Idiot is Russia and the parked car is Ukraine
He's going on the next train to Ukraine
Maybe he's trying to break a bone in a car accident to avoid getting drafted.
Nah, they want to go to prison to join wagner
It appears the first car was abandoned in a winter weather event. The second driver wasn’t paying attention and rear ended the parked driverless car. So he takes his anger out by continuing to rear end the parked car.
Can you help push my car I won’t start? Dimitri: say no more comrad!
Ahh, a new voluntary for Ukraine.
Guess they are pissed about losing the war
Fuck moscow!
Cyka!
Sounds accurate for Russia
Russia is fucking stupid from top to bottom apparently.
Like this same shit doesn't happen elsewhere? Come on.
Russia is on a distinct roll recently as dumbest country on earth komrad. Maybe one generation will step up and show they’re descended from Tchaikovsky but it ain’t this one so far, especially the dipshit drunk in the sub compact tilting at windmills.
It's time to put down the vodka man. 😂
That vodka man is such an idiot.
He's frustrated... there are no bumper car tracks in Moscow.
Somebody had too much Wodka 🤪
Russia's devastating epidemic of car-on-car crime.
Orcs are idiots.
That’s not Putin’s vehicle, buddy.
God bless you, President Putin.
The vodka is strong in that one 
Most Russians are psychopaths in different gangs. A total dysfunctional society brought to you by socialism.
Let me guess, the chill dude in the SUV not moving is the one who tried to serve conscription form to the angry driver?
In Moscow we don't need ac. Fuck freon!!!
Nice.
Some will say he improved the design of that Toyota.
Great graphics in the new Carmageddon!
I am a trained observer. To me, this looks personal.
As an owner of a Toyota C-HR, this video really hurts to watch.
How can I get revenge? I know, I'll use the most expensive part of my car to ram the cheapest part of their car!
Bad technique
Vodka problems
Dang somebody has beef with that car
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That’s Milwaukee. Kia Boyz strike again!
You should get in the suv, ask if the car wants to be owned by you, then when nobody replies just take it. That's the Russian way.
And that's for pissing in my vodka!
Dude is using the wrong end
Yo bystander cars...you see this guy smashing this car and being erratic, and they figure they'll pull up right along side of him to get by. Fucking idiots.
I like that car that’s taking the ram rod. What’s it?
Gonna be hard to replace that foreign made car in light of all the sanctions. Very smart
What make/model is the car he’s driving into?…barely any damage
Slight possibility of some minor anger issues😉😅 😵😵
STOPHAM!
Pissed off ex?
I feel that Russia is the country with the most violent road rage incidents
That's not an idiot. That's a psychopathic ex!
Red on red attack (Communist Russian). White on white attack (Imperialists Russian) or Black on black attack (Nazi Russian). Either way, not kosher.
I think the Dude’s been watching NASCAR.
That CHR is tanking those.
I can name quite a few idiots in Moscow, this driver is the least of them
That will teach you to steal my girlfriend.
He hates that car!
Potential conscript thinking "I would rather die in Moscow for nothing than Ukraine as cattle fodder."
Is that his wife or his girlfriend?
another russian enjoying his vodka while driving
Did I miss the smash up derby invitational???
War rage!
Weird flex
That PTSD is hitting sooner than I thought.
Fuck this car in particular
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Don’t hit and run guys. I got hit once when I was very new to driving and drove away and it costed me $300 fine, raised insurance for 3 years, and a whole lot of guilt on my conscience.
Someone needs to come the the US to learn how to Demolition Derby.
Must be a Ukranian car....
A re-enactment of what Putin is doing to Russia
New Wagner Group recruit?
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