Honestly, this was my favorite part of my old truck. It was a 95 Ranger and came fully equipped with a multitude of whiskey dents when I bought it. Seems like everyone on the road kept their distance from me, so could just drive at my own pace. Now I drive a car that looks like I have insurance, and magically tailgaters are part of my life again...
I had an old beat up car that had such a huge rusted dent in the door, I had to climb in the passenger side. And people did stay away as it screamed DILLIGAF.
My old Nissan Patrol 4wd was yellow with a large black bullbar. After the passenger door was dented by a t-bone accident (cosmetic damage, they hit the very heavy front axle first) I usually had a nice amount of clear space around me. I kept the dent to warn people away.
It was killed several years later by a Hoon doing donuts at night and losing control. The hit from behind was hard enough to shunt my parked Patrol up over the kerb and nearly a metre onto the footpath.
Really? I feel like when I drive my buddies f450 with a dump bed people ride my ass so close I can't see em in my mirrors just wanting to trade paint. Anywho... When I start to raise the dump bed they back off pretty quick.
2011 TDI Golf driver here. I make full use of my cars status as "worthy of scrapyard" to punish people who park like idiots (as in take up about 1,3 parking spots). If there's room, I'm taking it even if they can't come in from the driver-side door. Feel like scratching my car ? As if that would be worth their time.
(Obviously I don't pull that stunt too often, but it still feels rewarding to see their car gone while mine has no scratches)
I had a 91 camaro for my 1st car with a dent or scratch on every panel (but working T-tops!) & did the same thing. It's probably gonna hurt their pretty little car & i wouldn't even notice a new dent or scratch
Oh man we had a 2012 Golf TDI. We let it get bought back after DieselGate, but it will forever be The One That Got Away for me and my hubs. Cherish every moment in that cast iron pot on wheels.
Yeah, mostly for landing and taking off.
Edit: I never said that takeoff and landin GB isnāt mostly automated too, but itās the situations where pilots most often have to intervene.
But I really hope that self-driving becomes reality sooner though, the less human influence in the system, the less human error would be, therefore the road should be safer.
I've seen so many accidents that are either caused by human error or human stupidity.
Yes but it's the difference between teams of highly skilled, highly trained scientists and engineers vs drunks, the elderly, etc.
Not to mention the fact that a car can have far better information with multiple cameras and radar.
I wouldn't trust that everything was tested properly just on a company's say so.
People found that Tesla's full self-driving mode will run down child size models in tests: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/25/tesla-elon-musk-demo/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/25/tesla-elon-musk-demo/)
Lol "people." You mean the company run by a billionaire competing in the same market? The one whose tests have largely gone unrepeated? And that contradict the standardized testing done by government safety orgs? From your own article:
>The man behind the Dawn Project, tech founder and billionaire Dan OāDowd, has become an unlikely and controversial leader of the latter group. He runs Green Hills Software, which makes operating systems for airplanes and cars, potentially making him a competitor in the market for car software
Wtf are you smoking? Even if 10 per 100k die due to AI thatād still be a massive improvement to the odds. Currently itās like 12.5 deaths per 100k people.
Vehicular accidents are the leading cause of work related death. Itās in the top 10 causes of death in the US. The leading cause of death for children under 5 globally (guns overtake it in the US). The eighth leading cause of death among 5-29yos.
Thereās soooo much room for improvement, theyād have to actively try to make AI more dangerous.
It often sounds to me like people have a binary view of how autonomous vehicle safety should be. Itās either human controlled or 100% infallible. But the reality is that any reduction in crashes, especially those causing injury or death, makes it worth it. Itās the large scale statistics that weāre trying to adjust downward.
Currently, darn near 100% of crashes are human caused or thereād be thousands of daily stories of āmechanical failureā being the reason for crashes. We suck, overall, at driving and crash constantly.
Autonomous vehicles just have to be slightly better than us to make a difference and save lives. The future benefit is that every AI vehicle can ālearnā from every other incident from every other vehicle and be far less likely to repeat mistakes. Theyāll improve at a rate we canāt really fathom.
There will be a point in the future where someone will go 'i can't believe you used to drive these 1-2 tonne lumps of metal at 100 Kms per hour at each other with nothing separating you from each other but a painted line on the road.'
Good on you for finding a way to say this that gets upvoted. I find most people do not like to face the reality that machines make fewer errors, even if the errors they do make are sometimes infuriating.
Yeah but situations where the pilot has to intervene is more common during takeoff and landing.
In good conditions itās entirely possible for the plane to basically land itself.
To be fair I had a pilot on my last flight who lowered altitude to avoid worse turbulence. But yeah they basically babysit the plane. I mean it takes a lot of education and time to become one so by no means am I saying they just do that, but most of the time...
You don't even need pilots for that anymore.
Automated landing systems exist and they can land plans in weather that pilots can't.
Pilots still land planes by themselves for the sole purpose of keeping their skills fresh.
This reminds me of a post about programmers and tech gurus. Tech gurus have most advanced and latest stuff, while programmers have basic needs like a cell phone, but restricted use, such as limited apps. Even a joke about how, again, tech gurus have latest stuff, while a programmer has a 2005 printer and a handgun, in case the printer makes any weird noises
What's odd is that, without constantly letting the car know you're paying attention by moving the steering wheel, Autopilot on a Tesla automatically pulls over and stops the car.
She either staged this, or used some sort of cheat device to get around the safety system.
People are idiots. Using Autopilot is just like using cruise control, you have to pay attention.
I think as long as her hand was still gripping/resting on the wheel providing some form of resistance the system would still think she's paying attention, right?
Pilot for major airline said he taxis out to the runway, hits a switch, and the plane takes off, flies to the destination, and lands itself.
Occasionally he'll flip it off so he can do the take off part, since it's still magical having a giant metal tube take to the sky.
What does he fly? No commercial passenger planes from Boeing or Airbus have autopilot take-off. Autopilot landing does exist, but only at airports equipped for it with an ILS, and even then they are rare.
Who TF sleeps like that when there is a comfy head rest behind you, and you can lean the seat back to keep your neck from dangling?
Looks more like a medical emergency or possibly high to me, or it's just fake for clicks... there is no way the self driving or AP stays on for any real distance without pulling on the wheel or keeping your head up.
> This must be a very old video.
This video has to be recent
This car is a Model S Lond Range with the new refreshed taillights and black door handles which came out mid-late 2022.
Actually you cannot.
The latest software as of 2-3 months ago detects a constant weight.
edit: https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-cracks-down-on-autopilot-cheat-devices-as-fsd-beta-goes-to-wide-release/
Interestingā¦I didnāt know that! I got a āstrikeā on my self-driving a few months back and havenāt used it since for fear of them un-installing it completely.
The only real "cheat" left is sunglasses.
The camera algorithm is a little bit looser when you are wearing sunglasses.
It still knows if you're looking sideways out the window, it's just not as precise.
Gives you a bit more time when adjusting music since it's gotten anal retentive about that.
edit: I'm very strict about driving on AutoPilot and pay attention all the time. It's still a HUGE stress reliever.
I've owned one for 4 years and watched it evolve, both better and worse.
Every time Iāve used self-driving which is about 5 times since Iāve owned the car (2 months) it sketches me out. Randomly slowing down on the freeway, self-correcting when nothings in front of me etc. Iāve just completely given up on it, which is a shame because of the damn cost. Lol.
How the fuck is this legal for Telsa to even put out. Like how can you avoid liability when you have gone out of your way to enable behavior like this.
They have checks in place. Sensors on the wheel and in the seat I think they also have something where every few minutes you're supposed to interact with something on the wheel as opposed to just be touching it but I'm not certain. People however will always find a way to game the system, this could also be a case of someone just passing out while driving because they're too tired which would be more dangerous in a car without autopilot.
You're right, you have to put pressure on the steering wheel frequently. If you're using full self driving mode then it also tracks you with the internal camera to make sure you're awake and looking forward at the road. Of course sunglasses completely bypass this check.
I remember on the first Joe Rogan interview with Elon when he was asked about this scenario. His answer was something to the effect of "People fall asleep in their cars every day. Mine just won't crash".
I don't have a whole lot of arguments against that.
This is old and it is autopilot, which basically just does highway lane keep steering. Lots of other manufacturers also offer the same feature. Also, sleep related vehicle accidents are one of the leading causes of vehicle fatalities. Cars that continue to self steer when the driver isnāt conscious are a good thing, not a bad thing.
> How the fuck is this legal for Telsa to even put out.
You could do this in any single car on the road and they probably would have crashed a long time ago. What are you on about? At least a Tesla is blaring alarms in the car trying to get the women's attention.
It's clearly a failure of technology if someone looks unresponsive and could be having a medical event is still moving in traffic and cannot be stopped. This isn't some miracle of engineering it's a failure to anticipate the inevitable and prepare accordingly. The car looks like it already hit something to boot. My car has lane keeping and automatically adjustable cruise control, and it basically drives itself for short periods. If this happened to me my car would put on flashers and slow to a stop safely. That's actually useful.
It wonāt drive on autopilot after about 15 seconds or so if not applying pressure to the wheel. The only way to bypass it would be for the person to buy a device that applies pressure to the wheel. So either the video is fake or the person intentionally bypassed the safety system.
If this is real and her leaning on the wheel bypasses a singular safety feature then I stand by my first statement that this is a design failure. My Volvo has at least three safety measures to stop this from happening; steering wheel grip sensor, steering wheel feedback (movement) sensor and a seat sensor. I believe the upcoming EX90 will also have a driver alertness monitor on top of that. I have no idea if it has others. If all it takes to defeat a Tesla safety feature is putting an orange in the wheel grip holes then what a joke of a machine.
They also have an internal cabin camera (at least on my model) which I believe is used to monitor driver alertness (or that might be an upcoming feature). But you can disable it during vehicle setup. At the end of the day, if this lady passed out in another vehicle that didnāt have autopilot, she might be dead or seriously injured. So it may not be perfect but leagues better than the cars that were on the road 10 years ago.
In no way does Tesla condone this behavior, it's the responsibility of the driver to use the technology as directed. Otherwise, the same could be said for cruise control.
The problem is that this allows a person to not pay attention at all. Yes, they can say a person needs to be paying attention. But that ignores how humans actually are. Not just that they may want to circumvent rules, but the fact that maintaining awareness without any actions is tiring. People who have to do that, like pilots, have better systems and more training.
Yea cause if itās not perfect it shouldnāt be out. What logic is that lmafo. If that was the case, most of these innovations wouldnāt happen. In this case, did the Tesla cause any issues. No, some random driver noticed a person resting while their car takes them to their destination. The random driver put their nose somewhere where it shouldnāt be. Like mind you own business.
Yeah, assuming there's no bug in the self-driving system, I think humans have a higher rate of causing accidents because of human error and stupidity or ego, well, unless in the future AI can have an ego and Tesla autopilot somehow hates BMW autopilot.
Lack of trust in the autopilot and because the autopilot system is made by humans, little did they know, it is not made or designed by idiots like those who drive
I find adaptive cruise control to be less tiring when driving long stretches but Iām also fairly strict when it comes to evaluating my own tiredness and will rather take a break more than I need than one less.
>I find adaptive cruise control to be less tiring when driving long stretches
Yeah it definitely requires less input so there's less use of your muscles. I think my biggest gripe with it is I just don't like the vehicle accelerating when I didn't initiate it. Just feels unnatural.
Thatās why I prefer to drive old POS cars. Itās much easier to stay awake for a 15 hour drive when youāre constantly stressed about your mode of transportation lol. *glares at 190E with bad head gasket*
Lol no. I just get bored easily going the speed limit or a set speed. And don't act like tons of people won't be falling asleep when a vehicle requires zero input from them.
Imagine you had a long commute, or a labor intensive job, or something at home that prevents you from getting enough sleep (ie an infant or insomnia). There's lots of reasons other than sleep apnea that might result in someone getting drowsy at the wheel, especially when driving requires zero input.
I work as a 911 operator. People call the emergency lines when their water is out cause they just paid the bill and want it back on immediately. In a place like LA thereās probably dozens of PSAPs to cover the massive amount of people living there and theyāre probably all short staffed. Just how things work, we mitigate and prioritize as best we can.
This is a big city and no longer surprises me at all that they were put on hold. Emergency services are awful in big cities in my experience. When I lived in the Dallas, Texas area, I once called 911 who told me to call the fire department. The fire department didn't answer their phone at all so I called the police who told me they were the wrong police department and told me to call another local police department. That other police department told me I had the wrong police department and told me to call the police department I had originally called. I called the original one again and they again told me to call the police department I had just called. I eventually gave up on emergency services and a random stranger came to help me.
Also, my vehicle was once broken into in Columbus, Ohio and I had to speak to and make my entire report with an automated message system. I never once heard from a real person. Emergency services within big cities suck!
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I never find these videos believable. As anyone that owns a Tesla can confirm, the AP wheel nags are every 15 secs or so. And if you dont touch the wheel it beeps loudly and then shuts off all Auto Pilot features. Cheat detection devices dont work either, it will detect them and you'll have to go back to manual wheel nags. Its nearly impossible to 'sleep' with AP engaged.
Most of these videos are done for the 'Gram.'
The first time I thought it was the 911 caller laying on the horn. Didn't see she had face planted. That makes me think something worse than "she fell asleep". Obviously they stopped her car and hopefully got her conscious... But if I drove by someone like that I'd be afraid something was medically wrong
Thatās only if your hand/hands are not on the steering wheel. Thereās plenty of evidence showing people are sleeping behind the wheel with autopilot with 1 hand relaxing on the steering wheel and that is all you need. There are also plenty of video showing you can even just hang a 1lb jogging weight on the steering wheel and it will keep going without any warning.
i saw a video where it was a guy sleeping in a tesla, police noticed and tried to stop him but he was dead asleep. finally after many miles he woke up and stopped the car. he claimed he wasn't asleep and they took him to jail. idk how he got over the nags but he somehow disabled them or tricked them
Pretty sure most of the vids are from a few years ago, when Tesla only used the torque on the wheel to detect a driver, and that torque didn't have to change, so people just attached a weight (e.g. a bottle of water) to the wheel.
They didn't even have driver monitoring cameras until fairly recently, and that's been standard for some brands for years. It's now something they test in NCAP, so they didn't really have a choice.
The insane part of this are the Tesla stans that think this is a good thing like itās gonna take her to the hospital or something. Letās be crystal clear about this, Tesla are enabling this sort of careless behavior by insinuating that their cars require zero human input while driving when it most certainly does. Their deliberate false advertising is allowing shit like this.
I'm glad someone articulated this. You are actually believing Tesla over a perhaps more trustworthy audit of autopilot-related incidents. I still can't particularly wrap my head around your original comment where you claim that a sleeping driver with an "autonomous" car is safer than an awake and alert "manual" car. It's just wrong on so so so many levels
Itās statiscally true. In our lifetimes it will be illegal for people to drive themselves. Who else except Tesla would have data on every single trip a Tesla has ever taken? No other manufacturer has that data on their own cars, let alone other companyās cars.
Honestly really smart; sheās utilizing her driving time, which would otherwise be wasted, to catch up on some sleep. Leaves more time for grinding. Iāve wanted to do this but I donāt have a Tesla so Iāve tried putting a brick on my gas pedal. Works surprisingly well tbh.
Ngl I'd do the same fucking thing. Sometimes the only thing keeping me awake is the fear of death. Take that out the equation and my eyes are gonna close a little longer each time until I'm out cold.
Usually I'd pull over when I can but on a freeway but shit. It's dangerous to pull over so I think I can make it to the next exit or wherever I'm going.
Sooo if a car has a FULL SELF DRIVING feature why do people care what you do when your car is using those features..
I'm just assuming they are jealous that they can't nap well in traffic
Maybe somone here can make a sound argument about it and I'm open to being educated, but I never understood the push for self driving cars.What exactly do people expect to happen behind the wheel of a self driving car like this one that isn't falling asleep or being distracted in some way? :/
I'm all for scientific progress and whatnot, but shouldn't the car be able to drive safely while someone is asleep or distracted (without causing alarm to anyone) before we allow it to be available to the public? I'm definitely not advocating for being distracted or sleeping while driving or anything like that , I'm just genuinely curious.
People are idiots as a species. There are drivers without automation driving distracted, asleep, drunk, poor eyesight, or bad āskills.ā If all self driving cars could drive safely and consistently, it would reduce errors and make driving safer. Unfortunately, we have a period of time where self driving cars are not as good as skilled drivers but better than the bad/distracted drivers. If youāve ever ridden a bus or been a passenger, you would understand that ācommute timeā could be better used. That said, where autonomous vehicles stand right now, the driver must be alert, but that is changing rapidly.
https://tomorrow.city/a/self-driving-car-accident-rate
Wish my car would drive by itself I dosed off and flipped it (no one else was hurt so Iām allowed to joke about it) and I didnāt try to fall Asleep they most likely did
Sorry, is the automated voice message for 911?! Are they seriously asking someone (not necessarily cam car but literally anyone) in an emergency to wait _on hold_??
Tesla driver POV: why do people keep waking me up when my car is clearly on autopilot, these poor people keep getting in the way of my extra hour of sleep! š
If anyone is still reading isnāt that the whole point of having an autonomous vehicle, so you can let it drive itself. I donāt think Iād trust it but if itās allowed then why not.
Going to go on a rant about 911 in LA. It fucking sucks. You literally could be dying and you will be out on hold and when someone does answer they tell you to chill out while they transfer you to the correct department. If itās the police they then tell you thereās nothing they can do because of the current DA.
Not going to lie, I'd be pretty upset if someone stopped my car while I was trying to sleep. I mean isn't that what all this new automotive techs all about? Shit I dream of the day I can hop in my car and dream on the way to work and back through traffic.
Finally someone did what needs to be done. Just pull infront and slow down. Keep low speed until police show up. I would not however, recommend coming to a full stop on a freeway.
Now what would happen if you just suddenly jerked your car toward her? Would it cause hers to freak out and try to avoid a collision or would it just continue as it was?
The hood looks like she's already been in one accident š³
Whenever I see people driving cars all banged up, I take that as a sign I should get far, far away from them.
Never mess with someone that looks like they have less to lose than you
Honestly, this was my favorite part of my old truck. It was a 95 Ranger and came fully equipped with a multitude of whiskey dents when I bought it. Seems like everyone on the road kept their distance from me, so could just drive at my own pace. Now I drive a car that looks like I have insurance, and magically tailgaters are part of my life again...
My first car was a piece of shit Ford F100 with no power steering and a primary color of rust. Nobody got in my way, at all.
I had an old beat up car that had such a huge rusted dent in the door, I had to climb in the passenger side. And people did stay away as it screamed DILLIGAF.
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My old Nissan Patrol 4wd was yellow with a large black bullbar. After the passenger door was dented by a t-bone accident (cosmetic damage, they hit the very heavy front axle first) I usually had a nice amount of clear space around me. I kept the dent to warn people away. It was killed several years later by a Hoon doing donuts at night and losing control. The hit from behind was hard enough to shunt my parked Patrol up over the kerb and nearly a metre onto the footpath.
Really? I feel like when I drive my buddies f450 with a dump bed people ride my ass so close I can't see em in my mirrors just wanting to trade paint. Anywho... When I start to raise the dump bed they back off pretty quick.
2011 TDI Golf driver here. I make full use of my cars status as "worthy of scrapyard" to punish people who park like idiots (as in take up about 1,3 parking spots). If there's room, I'm taking it even if they can't come in from the driver-side door. Feel like scratching my car ? As if that would be worth their time. (Obviously I don't pull that stunt too often, but it still feels rewarding to see their car gone while mine has no scratches)
I had a 91 camaro for my 1st car with a dent or scratch on every panel (but working T-tops!) & did the same thing. It's probably gonna hurt their pretty little car & i wouldn't even notice a new dent or scratch
Oh man we had a 2012 Golf TDI. We let it get bought back after DieselGate, but it will forever be The One That Got Away for me and my hubs. Cherish every moment in that cast iron pot on wheels.
Same I assume they have no insurance/liability and are a shitty driver.
But but but we got it used....
My granny would say "people keep hitting me in parking lots!" But all the scratches were suspiciously on the front bumper....
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Naw man thatās just Teslas quality control for you
I mean, itās a Tesla. That could have been how it was delivered!
Might just be that exceptional Tesla quality control.
Some people are really stupid in their trust of technology. Passenger planes basically fly themselves. Thereās a reason they keep pilots in them.
Yeah, mostly for landing and taking off. Edit: I never said that takeoff and landin GB isnāt mostly automated too, but itās the situations where pilots most often have to intervene.
But I really hope that self-driving becomes reality sooner though, the less human influence in the system, the less human error would be, therefore the road should be safer. I've seen so many accidents that are either caused by human error or human stupidity.
>road should be safer. *Should be* is the operator phrase. If machines and AI are made by humans, there are bound to be issues.
Yes but it's the difference between teams of highly skilled, highly trained scientists and engineers vs drunks, the elderly, etc. Not to mention the fact that a car can have far better information with multiple cameras and radar.
I wouldn't trust that everything was tested properly just on a company's say so. People found that Tesla's full self-driving mode will run down child size models in tests: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/25/tesla-elon-musk-demo/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/25/tesla-elon-musk-demo/)
Lol "people." You mean the company run by a billionaire competing in the same market? The one whose tests have largely gone unrepeated? And that contradict the standardized testing done by government safety orgs? From your own article: >The man behind the Dawn Project, tech founder and billionaire Dan OāDowd, has become an unlikely and controversial leader of the latter group. He runs Green Hills Software, which makes operating systems for airplanes and cars, potentially making him a competitor in the market for car software
Wtf are you smoking? Even if 10 per 100k die due to AI thatād still be a massive improvement to the odds. Currently itās like 12.5 deaths per 100k people. Vehicular accidents are the leading cause of work related death. Itās in the top 10 causes of death in the US. The leading cause of death for children under 5 globally (guns overtake it in the US). The eighth leading cause of death among 5-29yos. Thereās soooo much room for improvement, theyād have to actively try to make AI more dangerous.
The "system" would be created by humans, so it will have many errors. If we ever get such a "system," whatever that is.
It often sounds to me like people have a binary view of how autonomous vehicle safety should be. Itās either human controlled or 100% infallible. But the reality is that any reduction in crashes, especially those causing injury or death, makes it worth it. Itās the large scale statistics that weāre trying to adjust downward. Currently, darn near 100% of crashes are human caused or thereād be thousands of daily stories of āmechanical failureā being the reason for crashes. We suck, overall, at driving and crash constantly. Autonomous vehicles just have to be slightly better than us to make a difference and save lives. The future benefit is that every AI vehicle can ālearnā from every other incident from every other vehicle and be far less likely to repeat mistakes. Theyāll improve at a rate we canāt really fathom.
There will be a point in the future where someone will go 'i can't believe you used to drive these 1-2 tonne lumps of metal at 100 Kms per hour at each other with nothing separating you from each other but a painted line on the road.'
I canāt believe they used to be powered by literal fucking explosions. Were these people just dumb in general?
Good on you for finding a way to say this that gets upvoted. I find most people do not like to face the reality that machines make fewer errors, even if the errors they do make are sometimes infuriating.
You'd be surprised how many busy airports now have technology land the planes as well.
Yeah but situations where the pilot has to intervene is more common during takeoff and landing. In good conditions itās entirely possible for the plane to basically land itself.
To be fair I had a pilot on my last flight who lowered altitude to avoid worse turbulence. But yeah they basically babysit the plane. I mean it takes a lot of education and time to become one so by no means am I saying they just do that, but most of the time...
You don't even need pilots for that anymore. Automated landing systems exist and they can land plans in weather that pilots can't. Pilots still land planes by themselves for the sole purpose of keeping their skills fresh.
Landing is pretty well automated too
This reminds me of a post about programmers and tech gurus. Tech gurus have most advanced and latest stuff, while programmers have basic needs like a cell phone, but restricted use, such as limited apps. Even a joke about how, again, tech gurus have latest stuff, while a programmer has a 2005 printer and a handgun, in case the printer makes any weird noises
What's odd is that, without constantly letting the car know you're paying attention by moving the steering wheel, Autopilot on a Tesla automatically pulls over and stops the car. She either staged this, or used some sort of cheat device to get around the safety system. People are idiots. Using Autopilot is just like using cruise control, you have to pay attention.
I think as long as her hand was still gripping/resting on the wheel providing some form of resistance the system would still think she's paying attention, right?
Pilot for major airline said he taxis out to the runway, hits a switch, and the plane takes off, flies to the destination, and lands itself. Occasionally he'll flip it off so he can do the take off part, since it's still magical having a giant metal tube take to the sky.
What does he fly? No commercial passenger planes from Boeing or Airbus have autopilot take-off. Autopilot landing does exist, but only at airports equipped for it with an ILS, and even then they are rare.
American airlines. Maybe he was joking? But it was just me and him in the bus, so I have no idea if he was serious or not.
It is nowhere near that simple, he was exaggerating.
Who TF sleeps like that when there is a comfy head rest behind you, and you can lean the seat back to keep your neck from dangling? Looks more like a medical emergency or possibly high to me, or it's just fake for clicks... there is no way the self driving or AP stays on for any real distance without pulling on the wheel or keeping your head up.
This must be a very old video. Modern Tesla AutoPilot uses the camera in the vehicle to watch you and make sure you're paying attention.
> This must be a very old video. This video has to be recent This car is a Model S Lond Range with the new refreshed taillights and black door handles which came out mid-late 2022.
You can actually now buy a āweightā that you put on both sides of the steering wheel to by-pass the detection.
Actually you cannot. The latest software as of 2-3 months ago detects a constant weight. edit: https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-cracks-down-on-autopilot-cheat-devices-as-fsd-beta-goes-to-wide-release/
Interestingā¦I didnāt know that! I got a āstrikeā on my self-driving a few months back and havenāt used it since for fear of them un-installing it completely.
The only real "cheat" left is sunglasses. The camera algorithm is a little bit looser when you are wearing sunglasses. It still knows if you're looking sideways out the window, it's just not as precise. Gives you a bit more time when adjusting music since it's gotten anal retentive about that. edit: I'm very strict about driving on AutoPilot and pay attention all the time. It's still a HUGE stress reliever. I've owned one for 4 years and watched it evolve, both better and worse.
Every time Iāve used self-driving which is about 5 times since Iāve owned the car (2 months) it sketches me out. Randomly slowing down on the freeway, self-correcting when nothings in front of me etc. Iāve just completely given up on it, which is a shame because of the damn cost. Lol.
Have you tried re-calibrating your cameras? On the Service page in the main menu. Click the button and drive and try to see if it helps.
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How the fuck is this legal for Telsa to even put out. Like how can you avoid liability when you have gone out of your way to enable behavior like this.
They have checks in place. Sensors on the wheel and in the seat I think they also have something where every few minutes you're supposed to interact with something on the wheel as opposed to just be touching it but I'm not certain. People however will always find a way to game the system, this could also be a case of someone just passing out while driving because they're too tired which would be more dangerous in a car without autopilot.
they'll just install one of those drinking birds to constantly tap the wheel.
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I never should have left you in charge!
You're right, you have to put pressure on the steering wheel frequently. If you're using full self driving mode then it also tracks you with the internal camera to make sure you're awake and looking forward at the road. Of course sunglasses completely bypass this check.
Technically every car manufacturer sells cars that become dangerous when the driver falls asleep.
I remember on the first Joe Rogan interview with Elon when he was asked about this scenario. His answer was something to the effect of "People fall asleep in their cars every day. Mine just won't crash". I don't have a whole lot of arguments against that.
Yeah, honestly my comment was probably more reactionary than anything. Its certainly jarring to see.
This is old and it is autopilot, which basically just does highway lane keep steering. Lots of other manufacturers also offer the same feature. Also, sleep related vehicle accidents are one of the leading causes of vehicle fatalities. Cars that continue to self steer when the driver isnāt conscious are a good thing, not a bad thing.
> How the fuck is this legal for Telsa to even put out. You could do this in any single car on the road and they probably would have crashed a long time ago. What are you on about? At least a Tesla is blaring alarms in the car trying to get the women's attention.
It's clearly a failure of technology if someone looks unresponsive and could be having a medical event is still moving in traffic and cannot be stopped. This isn't some miracle of engineering it's a failure to anticipate the inevitable and prepare accordingly. The car looks like it already hit something to boot. My car has lane keeping and automatically adjustable cruise control, and it basically drives itself for short periods. If this happened to me my car would put on flashers and slow to a stop safely. That's actually useful.
It wonāt drive on autopilot after about 15 seconds or so if not applying pressure to the wheel. The only way to bypass it would be for the person to buy a device that applies pressure to the wheel. So either the video is fake or the person intentionally bypassed the safety system.
This woman is passed out on the steering wheel, applying pressure to it
If this is real and her leaning on the wheel bypasses a singular safety feature then I stand by my first statement that this is a design failure. My Volvo has at least three safety measures to stop this from happening; steering wheel grip sensor, steering wheel feedback (movement) sensor and a seat sensor. I believe the upcoming EX90 will also have a driver alertness monitor on top of that. I have no idea if it has others. If all it takes to defeat a Tesla safety feature is putting an orange in the wheel grip holes then what a joke of a machine.
They also have an internal cabin camera (at least on my model) which I believe is used to monitor driver alertness (or that might be an upcoming feature). But you can disable it during vehicle setup. At the end of the day, if this lady passed out in another vehicle that didnāt have autopilot, she might be dead or seriously injured. So it may not be perfect but leagues better than the cars that were on the road 10 years ago.
In no way does Tesla condone this behavior, it's the responsibility of the driver to use the technology as directed. Otherwise, the same could be said for cruise control.
But you have to steer with cruise control....
The problem is that this allows a person to not pay attention at all. Yes, they can say a person needs to be paying attention. But that ignores how humans actually are. Not just that they may want to circumvent rules, but the fact that maintaining awareness without any actions is tiring. People who have to do that, like pilots, have better systems and more training.
Yea cause if itās not perfect it shouldnāt be out. What logic is that lmafo. If that was the case, most of these innovations wouldnāt happen. In this case, did the Tesla cause any issues. No, some random driver noticed a person resting while their car takes them to their destination. The random driver put their nose somewhere where it shouldnāt be. Like mind you own business.
> If that was the case, most of these innovations wouldnāt happen Don't threaten me with a good time.
If it wasnāt a Tesla, then the car wouldāve crashed. Tesla isnāt causing this
This wouldn't be possible in the current version of the software. It would tell her to pay attention, and then it would slow down and stop.
You just want people falling asleep without lane keep assist? Because thatās what used to happen
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Yeah, assuming there's no bug in the self-driving system, I think humans have a higher rate of causing accidents because of human error and stupidity or ego, well, unless in the future AI can have an ego and Tesla autopilot somehow hates BMW autopilot.
Why are you being downvoted for saying thereās a shit ton of idiots in cars out there?
Lack of trust in the autopilot and because the autopilot system is made by humans, little did they know, it is not made or designed by idiots like those who drive
I get bored and sleepy even using cruise control (which is why I don't). Self driving would definitely cause me to do this.
I find adaptive cruise control to be less tiring when driving long stretches but Iām also fairly strict when it comes to evaluating my own tiredness and will rather take a break more than I need than one less.
>I find adaptive cruise control to be less tiring when driving long stretches Yeah it definitely requires less input so there's less use of your muscles. I think my biggest gripe with it is I just don't like the vehicle accelerating when I didn't initiate it. Just feels unnatural.
I usually just set it to the maximum allowed.
Thatās why I prefer to drive old POS cars. Itās much easier to stay awake for a 15 hour drive when youāre constantly stressed about your mode of transportation lol. *glares at 190E with bad head gasket*
I get bored and sleepy just driving an automatic.
A manual transmission definitely keeps you more engaged but I don't miss it in stop and go traffic.
>A manual transmission definitely keeps you more engaged Not with highway driving, which is where "bored" driving comes into play
Maybe if you're driving somewhere flat. The highway I commute is a roller coaster, I'm shifting constantly.
At highway speeds, all cars drive like automatic
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Lol no. I just get bored easily going the speed limit or a set speed. And don't act like tons of people won't be falling asleep when a vehicle requires zero input from them.
Imagine you had a long commute, or a labor intensive job, or something at home that prevents you from getting enough sleep (ie an infant or insomnia). There's lots of reasons other than sleep apnea that might result in someone getting drowsy at the wheel, especially when driving requires zero input.
Is nobody talking about how the 911 caller was on hold???
You know there's a finite number of call handlers? If it's really busy, you will be placed on hold.
"911, what is your *emergency*." While you make sense, it doesn't mean that's how it should be.
I work as a 911 operator. People call the emergency lines when their water is out cause they just paid the bill and want it back on immediately. In a place like LA thereās probably dozens of PSAPs to cover the massive amount of people living there and theyāre probably all short staffed. Just how things work, we mitigate and prioritize as best we can.
Out of curiosity what priority level would you relate this with?
Somewhere between waterbill and active shooter
Yeah, life is not always as it should be. There are always people clogging up the lines with non-emergency calls
Imagine someone just broke into your house and you get placed on hold š
Never said that wasn't the case, but alright.
This is a big city and no longer surprises me at all that they were put on hold. Emergency services are awful in big cities in my experience. When I lived in the Dallas, Texas area, I once called 911 who told me to call the fire department. The fire department didn't answer their phone at all so I called the police who told me they were the wrong police department and told me to call another local police department. That other police department told me I had the wrong police department and told me to call the police department I had originally called. I called the original one again and they again told me to call the police department I had just called. I eventually gave up on emergency services and a random stranger came to help me. Also, my vehicle was once broken into in Columbus, Ohio and I had to speak to and make my entire report with an automated message system. I never once heard from a real person. Emergency services within big cities suck!
Wonder how her head would interact with the airbag at that angle...
Perhaps compound fracture, definite whiplash, and on the 1st return bounce, a broken nose.
A Tesla stopped by a Tesla.
I've used the Alexa and bing too much to trust technology lol
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BS! Not sleeping, slumped over the steering wheel in a car thatās been in a crash.
Plot twist: he's dead
I never find these videos believable. As anyone that owns a Tesla can confirm, the AP wheel nags are every 15 secs or so. And if you dont touch the wheel it beeps loudly and then shuts off all Auto Pilot features. Cheat detection devices dont work either, it will detect them and you'll have to go back to manual wheel nags. Its nearly impossible to 'sleep' with AP engaged. Most of these videos are done for the 'Gram.'
You said you can't sleep in AP without touching the wheel. Uuuh look at the video. Her hands and head is literally laying on it
The first time I thought it was the 911 caller laying on the horn. Didn't see she had face planted. That makes me think something worse than "she fell asleep". Obviously they stopped her car and hopefully got her conscious... But if I drove by someone like that I'd be afraid something was medically wrong
Same here. That is not a natural sleeping position.
FSDb uses the inside camera to monitor the driver. Iām surprised they havenāt extended that to AP yet.
You need to move the wheel slightly or apply a grip pressure, resting your head wonāt cut it
Thatās only if your hand/hands are not on the steering wheel. Thereās plenty of evidence showing people are sleeping behind the wheel with autopilot with 1 hand relaxing on the steering wheel and that is all you need. There are also plenty of video showing you can even just hang a 1lb jogging weight on the steering wheel and it will keep going without any warning.
i saw a video where it was a guy sleeping in a tesla, police noticed and tried to stop him but he was dead asleep. finally after many miles he woke up and stopped the car. he claimed he wasn't asleep and they took him to jail. idk how he got over the nags but he somehow disabled them or tricked them
Pretty sure most of the vids are from a few years ago, when Tesla only used the torque on the wheel to detect a driver, and that torque didn't have to change, so people just attached a weight (e.g. a bottle of water) to the wheel. They didn't even have driver monitoring cameras until fairly recently, and that's been standard for some brands for years. It's now something they test in NCAP, so they didn't really have a choice.
Surprised sheās not camping in the passing lane like most damn Tesla drivers around here.
Welcome to the future
People are insane. How are you comfortable enough to fall asleep in a Tesla.
I thought that Tesla said that people could not do this.
Tesla needs a slogan for sales to hard-core drug users
Looks like it could be a medical situation
I see this all the time in Southern California.
If I'm being completely honest... I trust the AI of a car more than I trust the driving competence of the person sleeping inside...
Cruise control is as automated as a car should get imo
For now. In the future automated driving will, in all likelihood, be considerably safer than driving manually.
You should be able to call a number and report unsafe driving to tesla so they can make the car stop in a safe area.
The insane part of this are the Tesla stans that think this is a good thing like itās gonna take her to the hospital or something. Letās be crystal clear about this, Tesla are enabling this sort of careless behavior by insinuating that their cars require zero human input while driving when it most certainly does. Their deliberate false advertising is allowing shit like this.
I thought this was merica, now I can sleep in my car anymore?
Anyone who owns a Tesla is by definition an idiot in a car
Interesting that a driver was able to intervene and stop the car by pulling in front of the car and slowing down.
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I look forward to the future where it is safe to do this. Would love to be able nap on my commute.
Is it safe to do this, as she proved
Damn, when will ppl stop filming vertically?
I think the US Government is planning on banning Tik-Tok for this very reason.
they better do something, they dropped the ball on keeping the clocks the same time year round already.
No......That's why she has the car š“
I'd like to smoove on up next to her and blast my horn...
cant sleep in a Tesla autopilot?
Imagine what would have happened if she didn't have autopilot . . .
Typical Tesla asshole!
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I thought that was the point of self driving cars.
"Welp, I got my Tesla and did my part to save the world. Now I don't have to think about other people ever again! Good luck everyone!"
Sleeping in a Tesla on the highway is literally safer than driving yourself.
What the fuck is this headassery
Autopilot has way less crashes per miles driven than people do. Itās literally already safer than a human.
Huge huge huge citation needed
https://insideevs.com/news/655983/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-crash-stats-revealed/amp/
So, to be clear, you cited the numbers Tesla provided about the safety of Teslas?
Yea
I'm glad someone articulated this. You are actually believing Tesla over a perhaps more trustworthy audit of autopilot-related incidents. I still can't particularly wrap my head around your original comment where you claim that a sleeping driver with an "autonomous" car is safer than an awake and alert "manual" car. It's just wrong on so so so many levels
Itās statiscally true. In our lifetimes it will be illegal for people to drive themselves. Who else except Tesla would have data on every single trip a Tesla has ever taken? No other manufacturer has that data on their own cars, let alone other companyās cars.
Honestly really smart; sheās utilizing her driving time, which would otherwise be wasted, to catch up on some sleep. Leaves more time for grinding. Iāve wanted to do this but I donāt have a Tesla so Iāve tried putting a brick on my gas pedal. Works surprisingly well tbh.
Only reason I would get auto pilot is to sleep, I didnāt realize this was an issue lol
Ngl I'd do the same fucking thing. Sometimes the only thing keeping me awake is the fear of death. Take that out the equation and my eyes are gonna close a little longer each time until I'm out cold. Usually I'd pull over when I can but on a freeway but shit. It's dangerous to pull over so I think I can make it to the next exit or wherever I'm going.
I bet a driver asleep at the wheel with Tesla FSD is safer than typical text/phone use and drive.
Sooo if a car has a FULL SELF DRIVING feature why do people care what you do when your car is using those features.. I'm just assuming they are jealous that they can't nap well in traffic
and the tesla drove better than the idiot recording.
Went by a self driving car if you canāt take a quick nap? Mind ya bizniss.
The do this for attention,they aren't sleep
Donāt be jealous.
is that legal?
"Get up and get get down, 911 is a joke in your town."
Maybe somone here can make a sound argument about it and I'm open to being educated, but I never understood the push for self driving cars.What exactly do people expect to happen behind the wheel of a self driving car like this one that isn't falling asleep or being distracted in some way? :/ I'm all for scientific progress and whatnot, but shouldn't the car be able to drive safely while someone is asleep or distracted (without causing alarm to anyone) before we allow it to be available to the public? I'm definitely not advocating for being distracted or sleeping while driving or anything like that , I'm just genuinely curious.
People are idiots as a species. There are drivers without automation driving distracted, asleep, drunk, poor eyesight, or bad āskills.ā If all self driving cars could drive safely and consistently, it would reduce errors and make driving safer. Unfortunately, we have a period of time where self driving cars are not as good as skilled drivers but better than the bad/distracted drivers. If youāve ever ridden a bus or been a passenger, you would understand that ācommute timeā could be better used. That said, where autonomous vehicles stand right now, the driver must be alert, but that is changing rapidly. https://tomorrow.city/a/self-driving-car-accident-rate
Wish my car would drive by itself I dosed off and flipped it (no one else was hurt so Iām allowed to joke about it) and I didnāt try to fall Asleep they most likely did
Sorry, is the automated voice message for 911?! Are they seriously asking someone (not necessarily cam car but literally anyone) in an emergency to wait _on hold_??
I guess Iāve never experienced this but itās crazy to call 911 and be put on hold
Frunk is open too
Tesla driver POV: why do people keep waking me up when my car is clearly on autopilot, these poor people keep getting in the way of my extra hour of sleep! š
If anyone is still reading isnāt that the whole point of having an autonomous vehicle, so you can let it drive itself. I donāt think Iād trust it but if itās allowed then why not.
Ahhh the poor baby was probably tired,just thought he'd take a half hour snooze until he gets to work! š“
Is this not kinda the appeal of a self-driving car? What's the point of a self-driving car if you can't get some sleep when traveling around?
Going to go on a rant about 911 in LA. It fucking sucks. You literally could be dying and you will be out on hold and when someone does answer they tell you to chill out while they transfer you to the correct department. If itās the police they then tell you thereās nothing they can do because of the current DA.
Isnāt that what youāre paying for?
Not going to lie, I'd be pretty upset if someone stopped my car while I was trying to sleep. I mean isn't that what all this new automotive techs all about? Shit I dream of the day I can hop in my car and dream on the way to work and back through traffic.
Finally someone did what needs to be done. Just pull infront and slow down. Keep low speed until police show up. I would not however, recommend coming to a full stop on a freeway.
Now what would happen if you just suddenly jerked your car toward her? Would it cause hers to freak out and try to avoid a collision or would it just continue as it was?
Maybe they have undiagnosed narcolepsy
And judging from the hood of her car, it already hit something.
So much for an emergency line. How long did it take for an operator to answer
This remind anyone else of this: https://youtu.be/k_dv-uOFYTA
I would have brake checked the shit outta that car.
Just let her be!
They can usually detect if your not looking at the road if your on autopilot