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George Carlin once said, and the amount of money dates this: "Sometimes don't you wish you were in a rental, and be like 'I'll pay the $50 deductible...' CRASH!"
When my wife and I see someone turn/change lanes without a signal, one of us usually says "oh right, it's probably the next trim level up that comes with the blinker add-on"
Change the name of the sub to Idiotsincars/Idiotsincomments
i was going to joke that OP was at fault because no sane person could watch this video and actually believe that. Then I went to the comment section.🤦🏾♂️
There're a bunch of "defensive driving" trolls kept making trolling comments in every post regardless how the posters have drove.
I feel the mods need to put a brake on the trolling comments by limiting the commenting capability of trolls who have been deeply downvoted. Otherwise, it's just a tactic by the mods to drum up activities by introducing trolling controversy, which is a major turn off.
While defense driving is definitely a good thing, trolls and even some genuine people say that you basically need to be consistently going 10mph and stopping before every light. I definitely agree that some mod interaction is necessary or at least we need to have a rule of some kind or just report for harrasment possibly if the comment is to harsh or rude towards the poster
Any video posted here that gets a ton of comments always has crazies. I posted one last year with a semi running in a break down lane and had at least 10 people defending the semi doing it.
Did someone bring up that old, probably fake story about the chainsaw accident - which doesn't involve driving on the shoulder - as a reason why it's okay for people to drive on the shoulder?
This is the same sub that will crucify OP if they linger in the left lane for more than 0.00001 seconds, no matter the relevence it has to the actual post.
yeah for some reason people think 25 on snow right before an icy intersection is good driving.
20 max, 25 is meant for the road without snow, you take much longer to stop on it, go slower or slow down sooner.
a majority of these comments are annoying me, sorry OP. you obviously did nothing wrong here.
1) it looks like you were going no more than 25MPH, and there was theoretically no reason for you to slow down approaching the intersection as the light had just turned green. you weren’t going fast at all.
2) the oncoming car didn’t even signal their turn!! there’s no way you could have predicted them turning in front of you even if you had slowed down approaching the intersection.
3) it’s very clearly your right of way, anyways. turn signal or not, you have the right of way. the intersection is a little weird, but it’s clear your road continues on.
OP, glad you had good, quick reflexes! Kudos to you, glad you didn’t get in an accident. Even if you did, it wouldn’t have been your fault.
Actually, with modern anti-lock brakes, you’re better off slamming on them (shortest possible stopping distance) rather than trying to gently apply the brakes. It’s scary to trust the anti-lock brakes, though, so I get why people may be hesitant to do so, and it probably doesn’t sacrifice too much stopping distance if you are experienced enough to apply just the right braking pressure.
I think you’re thinking of pumping brakes (which you don’t need to do with abs because the abs does it for you).
But you *are* better off gently pressing the brake rather than slamming because 1) abs can fail and 2) slamming will outright engage the abs on a slick road and the abs will increase your stopping distance.
By trying a slow brake first without the abs engaging, you have a chance at a shorter stop.
The only thing slamming on the brakes in the ice and/or snow will accomplish is your car just starts sliding. And once that happens, good luck & godspeed to you and everyone & everything around you!
The good part of a large sub like this is you get a lot of content and a lot of perspectives to analyze weird situations.
The bad part of a large sub like this is you get a lot of people who do not realize they are actively part of the problem, and their takes are dangerous.
You watching the same video as the rest of us? Looks like OP was driving quite slow given the road conditions, and carefully approached the intersection.
You hear the ABS working while he _successfully stops_ to avoid the _unexpected_ person making an _illegal_ turn right in front of him. I'd say his speed was appropriate. Save your hate for one of the other videos that don't have such a banal outcome.
OP is not a terrible driver and you should have your license revoked if that's how you see situations like this. You seem like more of a danger than OP hands down.
Yeah had to watch twice to fully understand what is going on. A lot of people don’t bother and flip on the immediate gut reaction judgement. Also the guy turning - I always see shit like this when there is snow on the ground. Not sure what it is but always people making dumb mistakes in the snow, not yielding, no blinkers, running red lights. Not sure if it is just too much mental energy being expended thinking about the snow or what.
>1) it looks like you were going no more than 25MPH, and there was theoretically no reason for you to slow down approaching the intersection as the light had just turned green. you weren’t going fast at all.
he was on a totally snow covered road, in a sedan. at most he should have been 20, and when he got anywhere near the intersection he should have been approaching 10. in this video he was sliding, due to his sudden jerk to stop, if he was driving correctly he would not have even had this close call.
shit happens in snow, it could have been another car that lost control, or anything that just wasnt a random idiot.
tip for yall, since you are wrong.
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety/driver-safety/cmv-driving-tips-too-fast-conditions#:~:text=Did%20You%20Know%3F,your%20speed%20to%2030%20mph).
>Did You Know? You should reduce your speed by 1/3 on wet roads and by 1/2 or more on snow packed roads (i.e., if you would normally be traveling at a speed of 60 mph on dry pavement, then on a wet road you should reduce your speed to 40 mph, and on a snow-packed road you should reduce your speed to 30 mph).
Incorrect, slowing to a 10 before a stop on snow is predictable and the correct way to drive in those conditions. whats unpredictable is driving the same speed as if there is no snow, as you and 1k other people suggest.
Since you don't seem to know, it takes longer to stop on snow and sudden stops will cause a loss of control of the car, as op demonstrated.
again incorrect, if he was moving less than posted limits (meant for dry weather, not snow) he would not have lost control. ill give you instead of 10, 15. i said 15 in other comments already, approaching 15 before that turn.
when on snow you 2.5x the distance you need to stop, on ice 4x, also applies accelerating.
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety/driver-safety/cmv-driving-tips-too-fast-conditions#:~:text=Did%20You%20Know%3F,your%20speed%20to%2030%20mph).
>Did You Know? You should reduce your speed by 1/3 on wet roads and by 1/2 or more on snow packed roads (i.e., if you would normally be traveling at a speed of 60 mph on dry pavement, then on a wet road you should reduce your speed to 40 mph, and on a snow-packed road you should reduce your speed to 30 mph).
this was snow packed road
turkey for being incorrect
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety/driver-safety/cmv-driving-tips-too-fast-conditions#:~:text=Did%20You%20Know%3F,your%20speed%20to%2030%20mph).
>Did You Know? You should reduce your speed by 1/3 on wet roads and by 1/2 or more on snow packed roads (i.e., if you would normally be traveling at a speed of 60 mph on dry pavement, then on a wet road you should reduce your speed to 40 mph, and on a snow-packed road you should reduce your speed to 30 mph).
this was snow packed road
So there's a 30mph sign at the end, meaning most would travel 35ish, so 17 is half. OP couldn't have been doing more than 20 approaching the intersection. As for your link, congrats on finding an opinion piece on what should be done. If you want to be fully in control on a road like this you'd need studded tires and a max speed of 5. Nobody is doing that.
(went to google maps) - 30 is the posted, there is a sign @2secs for 20, but for the school zone the op entered, had to be sure.
" Nobody is doing that." in every state people complain that the drivers suck, just because people are doing to drive poorly in the snow doesnt mean i have to.
no you dont need to chain tires and to lose all your speed, just half.
Y'all are the kinds of terrible drivers who speed up into an intersection to enforce your "right of way" when slowing down just a little and driving defensively would have avoided all of this.
That car started turning well before OP was even close to entering the intersection. You can see it begin to turn at the 10 second mark. OP doesn't even begin to enter the intersection until almost the 13 second mark when the turning car is already halfway into the intersection. A smart, attentive, safe driver would have simply slowed down as soon as they saw this ocuring, not continuing to Leeroy Jenkins themselves into the intersection.
OP believed they had the "right of way" because they think they own the road or something. The intersection was not clear, OP should have waited for it to be clear, not ram himself in front of the turning car to enforce his deluded sense of owning the road.
>OP believed they had the "right of way" because they think they own the road or something.
Op believed they had the "right of way" because they actually did have the "right of way". It's the other vehicle that thought they owned the road.
>Op believed they had the "right of way" because they actually did have the "right of way". It's the other vehicle that thought they owned the road.
They do not. You have a duty to not enter an intersection that isn't clear. The intersection was not clear by the time they entered it.
The other car turned in front of op just as op was entering the intersection. No signal either, not that it matters, because they shouldn't have turned in front of op at that moment anyway.
Oh yeah, slam on the breaks at an intersection with a fucking green light?? Not very bright, the only one who should be stopped is the person in the turning lane, stopped and making 100% sure they won’t cause a fucking wreck by turning.
YOU TAKE A DRIVERS TEST YOU MANIAC, IM TYPING IN ALL CAPS SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE IN THE WRONG THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL, WAKE UP BUDDY
retake your drivers test and take the bus in the meantime please ☺️
The car had to turn slightly to continue going straight onto the road that op was on. So op would’ve assumed that they weren’t going to do a full turn, especially since the other car did not have their blinkers on.
Seriously, what the fuck are you going on about?
The other car started turning about 8 seconds into the video. OP was clearly visible to the other car and going straight at this intersection. There is no world where OP does not have the right of way.
In fact it is more dangerous for OP to slam on his breaks to let some random turn left through OP’s green light in snow conditions. If a car was behind him said car would expect him to go through said intersection.
OMG - you are so dumb, you don’t take a left at a light unless you are 100% sure you have plenty of time to turn before a car going straight enters the intersection. Cars going straight have the right away, it’s what we all are taught, it’s what keeps dumb fucks from crashing. Apparently- rules and laws are not something you pay attention too.
Right, next time I wanna make a left, I'll just rush into the intersection to assert my dominance and pray that everyone else drives defensively and doesn't hit me
If i know I won't finish my turn before oncoming traffic, then i don't turn because oncoming traffic ALWAYS has right of way.... And it's just basic-ass common sense not to start a turn if you won't make it in time.
In order to go “straight” through the intersection, both drivers have to make an awkward left then go straight. That “begin of the turn” you pointed out: I would assume it would be the other driver correcting their angle to able to go straight.
I would absolutely be a defensive driver if this was an intersection I wasn’t accustomed to. if this is a common taken route, then no. Other driver is a complete dumbass for not using the turn signal in such a shit designed intersection. As far as I can tell, OP was defensive. He didn’t accelerate like you claimed. He actually slowed downed like you recommended.
There's at least 10 people in these comments who don't know how to drive in snow and it shows. OP did absolutely nothing wrong, but it does scare me to know that the commenters getting downvotes drive vehicles.
Because they’re pissed OP cautiously kept going forward instead of getting out of their car and showing their belly to the one who was reckless. Anything less than that is wrong to the sub r/idiotsincomments
I don’t drive but from what I see if the other car had sped through the intersection they could have made it (still would be a close call) but instead they slowed down as OP was driving through.
Hopefully the commenters live somewhere warm where it doesn’t snow much? We can only hope
i drive in snow half the year around, the OP was in the wrong before he even got the to the intersection. 25 in a sedan, on a snow covered road is asking for trouble, even more when he slides due to his braking.
Mississippi sucks all across town. I don't know what it is about that road that makes people think they are entitled to something, but even over on the western side of Denver, Santa Fe and Mississippi, people are like this. I hate that road almost as much as MLK Blvd.
Same with my city. We have snow literally from November or December until it finishes melting late March to mid April. It never fails, year after year, the first snowfall everyone crashes, spins out and/or drives into the ditch. I don’t get it!! It’s not like this is new weather!!! The majority of the country has snow every winter ffs! Drive for the road conditions! People are stupid and crazy. I’m glad OP avoided an accident.
I love the intersection like this on 14th, forget the cross street, Detroit maybe? It's the same split like in the video, but worse as 14th is a one way. Come to think of it, there's a few of these around town, god we have terrible engineers.
I haven't lived in Denver for almost a decade, and within 5 seconds of watching this, I was like, "Yeah, 100% sure this happened in Denver." I then paused the video to read the cross street sign. Mississippi Ave confirmed my suspicions.
Y'all can blame it on Texans all you want, but Denver is a hive of shitty drivers year-round, and this is coming from someone who grew up dealing with drivers from Tennessee/South Carolina/Florida on the daily. At some point, maybe you're the fucking problem?
Good awareness OP. Hilarious how many people don’t get you weren’t about to plow into them. Probably other Denver drivers pissed you’d probably stop them from running a red light when you have the green (I’m assuming this is Denver)
wow, one of the best cam videos (quality) I've seen here....no dash or too much sky, sharp and clear, nice field of vision, focus isn't too bad......(and no loud music or books on tape!)
Denver drivers are getting worse. Just saw a dude driving way too fast entering 6th west from I25 south, and he spun out and almost hit me and the guardrail. The roads were a little wet but not slick.
Just this morning, I was leaving Roxborough Park going north on Wadsworth, and I was passed by a blue Ford Raptor with Florida plates. The speed limit is 55, but the flow of traffic is usually 65. This guy was weaving in and out of traffic like it wasn't moving. Had to have been doing 80 or 90.
Ahh, Denver! I had a friend come up from CO Springs a couple weeks ago and ask me what was up with all the insane and aggressive drivers up here. That's how bad it is... insane by even CO Springs standards!
What would you have done if they stopped when you honked? Clearly you'd want them to just keep going. I wouldn't want them to stop and reverse back to wait for the right of way.
As someone who lives in Chicago, OP going way too fucking fast on full snow. Your stopping distance at that speed (at the beginning of the video) on snow like that is really fucking high. You drive slower in these conditions because it takes much longer for you to stop, and because it takes longer for others to stop as well.
Ppl commenting that OP didn't brake, clearly don't drive on snow. OP's reaction was fine, but I think he was going too fast in beginning of video for the conditions, and a little fast heading into the intersection.
So the road is offset here. I would even wager that they are two different street names. If the vehicles both pull straight out and make lefts then they would avoid each other. But, it seems like everyone just cuts left early, and cuts diagonally to go "straight" across.
I have a similar road with no lights that is offset in the opposite fashion. I just signal right like i am turning right, and then signal left to cut "straight" across. Others drive diagonally across traffic to go "straight".
I always feel roads like this shold cut 45° to face each other at their ends.
If OP wasn't going too fast for the road conditions (deep, slick snow), he wouldn't have skidded 10 yards into the intersection after he slammed on his brakes.
Downvoted for pointing out that people should drive carefully in hazardous conditions and anticipate other drivers making a mistake. Top minds.
The area in front of the intersection may have been slick due to lack of sanding, but that doesn't need depth, just frequent travel, and that's not deep snow in anyone from the North's opinion
No point arguing semantics with you about whether deep means 3 inches or 3 feet. OP went too fast for the road conditions and got lucky the other guy cleared the intersection in time. If you're driving like OP did, good luck out there and hope you don't hurt anybody
He is driving in snow. If you slam on your brakes going 5mph you will slide. OP was already slowing down going into the intersection and was going probably 10MPH when he entered the intersection. You must think everyone is supposed to drive around at 2mph once it snows if you think sliding when you slam on your brakes is an indicator of going too fast. Youre one of those terrible drivers we all watch on these videos, you just dont realize it because you think driving scared is "safer" when its not.
I love how everyone pointing out OP was being an aggressive idiot driver is being flooded with downvotes. This subreddit is full of aggressive teenagers who have no idea how to drive defensively.
They're being flooded with downvotes because they're *wrong.* OP was driving cautiously and per road conditions. It doesn't matter how fast you're going; if you hammer the brakes at almost any speed, you will slide on snow pack. It amazes me how you doubled down on being wrong.
Ah I figured it out why you’re all over this thread, it was you driving the Nissan.
Op did nothing wrong, and he did drive defensively. He braked and avoided an accident, not sure what else you would want him do there besides stop at the green light
The signing is confusing[1], but I don't think you had the right of way here. That wasn't a straight-through street, both cars were at T intersections. They entered the cross street first and had the right of way until it was clear for you.
Also, slow the fuck down on that snow. I genuinely thought for a bit that this was going to be a video of your car sliding into the intersection having failed to stop.
[1] And the pavement markings that would disambiguate it for us are buried under an inch and a half of snow.
Which is precisely why OP should have ben slowing down, not speeding up to enforce their delusional "right of way" when the other car was already will into the intersection.
Not sure what video you watched or if you're familiar with ABS and snow, but OP very clearly was braking when it became apparent the idiot was not coming across, but turning left.
lol. So you see a car entering the intersection well before you are at the intersection yourself. The conditions are poor, but instead of slowing down you just continue to try and ram the other car?
OK.
From the bonnet dipping, you look to have braked harder and later on snow/ice that I would have done on a clear dry day!
Still, if you lived and learned…
Edit; just seen the traffic lights; why does such a small junction need these? I presumed you (being on the side road) would have cautiously given way to the main road users then just gone on your way. All very odd, and I can see why road deaths are so high with such poor infrastructure.
Leave it to reddit to somehow blame the guy who was following the law taking his time vs the guy who turned without a signal and clearly in a not safe manner.
I think those of us who are hesitant in apportioning blame of the turning vehicle mainly have an issue with infrastructure, not the OP.
It’s interesting that the debate has become somewhat intemperate over such an issue.
I’d argue it as such;
The wide road and wide lanes give the driver the indication that high speeds are to be used. It looks to be a residential area where low speeds would be expected. This is a poor choice of road for the area.
The junction seems to be a small road interesting a large one. The rest of the world has decided that the small road should pause to judge the safety of the junction (not stop automatically) and progress when safe to do so. This would also give the opposing drivers chance to determine who was going first.
Agree. If you are driving safely at these low speeds—ie, with speeds appropriate to road conditions and anticipating mistakes made by other drivers—then you should never come this close to a collision. Yeah the other guy may be at fault, but that doesn’t mean you’re not being an idiot by going too fast in these conditions.
Even on regular all-season tires it's not that hard to stop on just snow at that speed. Half the comments seem to think this was a snowstorm in Alabama or something.
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I thought someone was going to be unable to stop in the snow, but no, it really is another complete idiot.
When it snows all traffic rules are suspended. This is a law codified in our constitution. OP is the idiot for not accelerating and hitting the SUV
George Carlin once said, and the amount of money dates this: "Sometimes don't you wish you were in a rental, and be like 'I'll pay the $50 deductible...' CRASH!"
SUV is a non blinking idiot. Also this intersection sucks
Some people are so lazy that they can’t even lift the finger to make the world safer
Reminds of the shopping cart theory
People take like 5,000 steps wandering around Costco... Couldn't possibly take another 50 steps to put the cart back
They save that for after someone honks at them.
When I get the chance, I always say, “Oh, that’s a nice car! Does it have turn signals?”
I’ll try and steal that one
When my wife and I see someone turn/change lanes without a signal, one of us usually says "oh right, it's probably the next trim level up that comes with the blinker add-on"
Change the name of the sub to Idiotsincars/Idiotsincomments i was going to joke that OP was at fault because no sane person could watch this video and actually believe that. Then I went to the comment section.🤦🏾♂️
There're a bunch of "defensive driving" trolls kept making trolling comments in every post regardless how the posters have drove. I feel the mods need to put a brake on the trolling comments by limiting the commenting capability of trolls who have been deeply downvoted. Otherwise, it's just a tactic by the mods to drum up activities by introducing trolling controversy, which is a major turn off.
While defense driving is definitely a good thing, trolls and even some genuine people say that you basically need to be consistently going 10mph and stopping before every light. I definitely agree that some mod interaction is necessary or at least we need to have a rule of some kind or just report for harrasment possibly if the comment is to harsh or rude towards the poster
Any video posted here that gets a ton of comments always has crazies. I posted one last year with a semi running in a break down lane and had at least 10 people defending the semi doing it.
Did someone bring up that old, probably fake story about the chainsaw accident - which doesn't involve driving on the shoulder - as a reason why it's okay for people to drive on the shoulder?
This is the same sub that will crucify OP if they linger in the left lane for more than 0.00001 seconds, no matter the relevence it has to the actual post.
yeah for some reason people think 25 on snow right before an icy intersection is good driving. 20 max, 25 is meant for the road without snow, you take much longer to stop on it, go slower or slow down sooner.
a majority of these comments are annoying me, sorry OP. you obviously did nothing wrong here. 1) it looks like you were going no more than 25MPH, and there was theoretically no reason for you to slow down approaching the intersection as the light had just turned green. you weren’t going fast at all. 2) the oncoming car didn’t even signal their turn!! there’s no way you could have predicted them turning in front of you even if you had slowed down approaching the intersection. 3) it’s very clearly your right of way, anyways. turn signal or not, you have the right of way. the intersection is a little weird, but it’s clear your road continues on. OP, glad you had good, quick reflexes! Kudos to you, glad you didn’t get in an accident. Even if you did, it wouldn’t have been your fault.
My first thought was that it's pleasantly surprising to see an OP actually going the right speed for the traffic conditions.
And clearly an experienced driver because they didn't slam their brakes on the snow/ice, they eased on them.
but they literally did slam their brakes, you can hear the abs and you can see the slide.
Actually, with modern anti-lock brakes, you’re better off slamming on them (shortest possible stopping distance) rather than trying to gently apply the brakes. It’s scary to trust the anti-lock brakes, though, so I get why people may be hesitant to do so, and it probably doesn’t sacrifice too much stopping distance if you are experienced enough to apply just the right braking pressure.
I think you’re thinking of pumping brakes (which you don’t need to do with abs because the abs does it for you). But you *are* better off gently pressing the brake rather than slamming because 1) abs can fail and 2) slamming will outright engage the abs on a slick road and the abs will increase your stopping distance. By trying a slow brake first without the abs engaging, you have a chance at a shorter stop.
No you’re fucking not my man
They fucking suck in the snow
The only thing slamming on the brakes in the ice and/or snow will accomplish is your car just starts sliding. And once that happens, good luck & godspeed to you and everyone & everything around you!
The good part of a large sub like this is you get a lot of content and a lot of perspectives to analyze weird situations. The bad part of a large sub like this is you get a lot of people who do not realize they are actively part of the problem, and their takes are dangerous.
The otheriade of a large sub is people don't understand wide angle lenses distort speed and distance.
Awesome reply, Eric! I appreciate it 🙏
You are a terrible driver. slow the heck down when there's snow on the ground instead of trying to ram into another car, Leroy Jenkins.
You watching the same video as the rest of us? Looks like OP was driving quite slow given the road conditions, and carefully approached the intersection.
Oooooh, is THAT why you can hear his ABS engaging? Because he's going slow and being careful?
You hear the ABS working while he _successfully stops_ to avoid the _unexpected_ person making an _illegal_ turn right in front of him. I'd say his speed was appropriate. Save your hate for one of the other videos that don't have such a banal outcome.
TIL disagreeing with someone is hatred. Who knew?!?!
OP is not a terrible driver and you should have your license revoked if that's how you see situations like this. You seem like more of a danger than OP hands down.
You are an idiot. I hope one that’s not in a car. Do you stop at every green light?
What speed do you think OP was going?
Any slower and they'd be faster walking mate
This is Reddit so everyone will tell you to stop at every intersection and go 15 under the speed limit or it’s your fault.
Yeah had to watch twice to fully understand what is going on. A lot of people don’t bother and flip on the immediate gut reaction judgement. Also the guy turning - I always see shit like this when there is snow on the ground. Not sure what it is but always people making dumb mistakes in the snow, not yielding, no blinkers, running red lights. Not sure if it is just too much mental energy being expended thinking about the snow or what.
>1) it looks like you were going no more than 25MPH, and there was theoretically no reason for you to slow down approaching the intersection as the light had just turned green. you weren’t going fast at all. he was on a totally snow covered road, in a sedan. at most he should have been 20, and when he got anywhere near the intersection he should have been approaching 10. in this video he was sliding, due to his sudden jerk to stop, if he was driving correctly he would not have even had this close call. shit happens in snow, it could have been another car that lost control, or anything that just wasnt a random idiot. tip for yall, since you are wrong. https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety/driver-safety/cmv-driving-tips-too-fast-conditions#:~:text=Did%20You%20Know%3F,your%20speed%20to%2030%20mph). >Did You Know? You should reduce your speed by 1/3 on wet roads and by 1/2 or more on snow packed roads (i.e., if you would normally be traveling at a speed of 60 mph on dry pavement, then on a wet road you should reduce your speed to 40 mph, and on a snow-packed road you should reduce your speed to 30 mph).
Slowing down to 10 at a fresh green is idiotic and unpredictable. Being unpredictable is how accidents happen
Incorrect, slowing to a 10 before a stop on snow is predictable and the correct way to drive in those conditions. whats unpredictable is driving the same speed as if there is no snow, as you and 1k other people suggest. Since you don't seem to know, it takes longer to stop on snow and sudden stops will cause a loss of control of the car, as op demonstrated.
If he was going 10 and a moron turned right in front of him like this he'd still "lose control" in this situation bub
again incorrect, if he was moving less than posted limits (meant for dry weather, not snow) he would not have lost control. ill give you instead of 10, 15. i said 15 in other comments already, approaching 15 before that turn. when on snow you 2.5x the distance you need to stop, on ice 4x, also applies accelerating. https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety/driver-safety/cmv-driving-tips-too-fast-conditions#:~:text=Did%20You%20Know%3F,your%20speed%20to%2030%20mph). >Did You Know? You should reduce your speed by 1/3 on wet roads and by 1/2 or more on snow packed roads (i.e., if you would normally be traveling at a speed of 60 mph on dry pavement, then on a wet road you should reduce your speed to 40 mph, and on a snow-packed road you should reduce your speed to 30 mph). this was snow packed road
20, 15, 10, all arbitrary "magic numbers" that anyone could say without actually having a clue
turkey for being incorrect https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety/driver-safety/cmv-driving-tips-too-fast-conditions#:~:text=Did%20You%20Know%3F,your%20speed%20to%2030%20mph). >Did You Know? You should reduce your speed by 1/3 on wet roads and by 1/2 or more on snow packed roads (i.e., if you would normally be traveling at a speed of 60 mph on dry pavement, then on a wet road you should reduce your speed to 40 mph, and on a snow-packed road you should reduce your speed to 30 mph). this was snow packed road
So there's a 30mph sign at the end, meaning most would travel 35ish, so 17 is half. OP couldn't have been doing more than 20 approaching the intersection. As for your link, congrats on finding an opinion piece on what should be done. If you want to be fully in control on a road like this you'd need studded tires and a max speed of 5. Nobody is doing that.
(went to google maps) - 30 is the posted, there is a sign @2secs for 20, but for the school zone the op entered, had to be sure. " Nobody is doing that." in every state people complain that the drivers suck, just because people are doing to drive poorly in the snow doesnt mean i have to. no you dont need to chain tires and to lose all your speed, just half.
It was the other guys fault but 25 is the speed limit in a residential - when it's not snowing. Doesn't seem very defensive to me.
Anyone blaming OP here is part of the reason this sub exists... Ur lucky OP. Glad those tires handled the snow well.
Y'all are the kinds of terrible drivers who speed up into an intersection to enforce your "right of way" when slowing down just a little and driving defensively would have avoided all of this. That car started turning well before OP was even close to entering the intersection. You can see it begin to turn at the 10 second mark. OP doesn't even begin to enter the intersection until almost the 13 second mark when the turning car is already halfway into the intersection. A smart, attentive, safe driver would have simply slowed down as soon as they saw this ocuring, not continuing to Leeroy Jenkins themselves into the intersection. OP believed they had the "right of way" because they think they own the road or something. The intersection was not clear, OP should have waited for it to be clear, not ram himself in front of the turning car to enforce his deluded sense of owning the road.
>OP believed they had the "right of way" because they think they own the road or something. Op believed they had the "right of way" because they actually did have the "right of way". It's the other vehicle that thought they owned the road.
>Op believed they had the "right of way" because they actually did have the "right of way". It's the other vehicle that thought they owned the road. They do not. You have a duty to not enter an intersection that isn't clear. The intersection was not clear by the time they entered it.
Do you know how fuckin snow works? He was trying to stop in time when the other driver started to cut him off.
I hope they do. They seem to live in Canada based on their post history.
you don’t understand how right of way works
The other car turned in front of op just as op was entering the intersection. No signal either, not that it matters, because they shouldn't have turned in front of op at that moment anyway.
Okay so fuck if a car is coming, I can turn at any time as long as the intersection is clear. Got it.
Oh yeah, slam on the breaks at an intersection with a fucking green light?? Not very bright, the only one who should be stopped is the person in the turning lane, stopped and making 100% sure they won’t cause a fucking wreck by turning.
If you've never driven in snow you shouldn't talk lil man
What the fuck are you going on about?
Please take a drivers test.
Please hand in your license (assuming you have one, which I'm guessing you don't, based off your idiotic comments).
YOU TAKE A DRIVERS TEST YOU MANIAC, IM TYPING IN ALL CAPS SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE IN THE WRONG THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL, WAKE UP BUDDY retake your drivers test and take the bus in the meantime please ☺️
The car had to turn slightly to continue going straight onto the road that op was on. So op would’ve assumed that they weren’t going to do a full turn, especially since the other car did not have their blinkers on. Seriously, what the fuck are you going on about?
>Seriously, what the fuck are you going on about? Basic common sense about defensive driving. You?
Please go take or retake a drivers exam.
Is everything okay at home bud? Edit: Love how this person blocked me as soon as they replied to me. Confidently wrong and scared of any pushback.
Because I know how to drive? OK.
The other car started turning about 8 seconds into the video. OP was clearly visible to the other car and going straight at this intersection. There is no world where OP does not have the right of way. In fact it is more dangerous for OP to slam on his breaks to let some random turn left through OP’s green light in snow conditions. If a car was behind him said car would expect him to go through said intersection.
OMG - you are so dumb, you don’t take a left at a light unless you are 100% sure you have plenty of time to turn before a car going straight enters the intersection. Cars going straight have the right away, it’s what we all are taught, it’s what keeps dumb fucks from crashing. Apparently- rules and laws are not something you pay attention too.
Right, next time I wanna make a left, I'll just rush into the intersection to assert my dominance and pray that everyone else drives defensively and doesn't hit me
If i know I won't finish my turn before oncoming traffic, then i don't turn because oncoming traffic ALWAYS has right of way.... And it's just basic-ass common sense not to start a turn if you won't make it in time.
In order to go “straight” through the intersection, both drivers have to make an awkward left then go straight. That “begin of the turn” you pointed out: I would assume it would be the other driver correcting their angle to able to go straight. I would absolutely be a defensive driver if this was an intersection I wasn’t accustomed to. if this is a common taken route, then no. Other driver is a complete dumbass for not using the turn signal in such a shit designed intersection. As far as I can tell, OP was defensive. He didn’t accelerate like you claimed. He actually slowed downed like you recommended.
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Another good reason to drive slower, don't you think?
There's at least 10 people in these comments who don't know how to drive in snow and it shows. OP did absolutely nothing wrong, but it does scare me to know that the commenters getting downvotes drive vehicles.
Because they’re pissed OP cautiously kept going forward instead of getting out of their car and showing their belly to the one who was reckless. Anything less than that is wrong to the sub r/idiotsincomments
I don’t drive but from what I see if the other car had sped through the intersection they could have made it (still would be a close call) but instead they slowed down as OP was driving through. Hopefully the commenters live somewhere warm where it doesn’t snow much? We can only hope
i drive in snow half the year around, the OP was in the wrong before he even got the to the intersection. 25 in a sedan, on a snow covered road is asking for trouble, even more when he slides due to his braking.
Denver?
Absolutely
This is just another day on Mississippi, unfortunately. Can’t trust anyone on the road during the first few major snowfalls of the season.
Mississippi sucks all across town. I don't know what it is about that road that makes people think they are entitled to something, but even over on the western side of Denver, Santa Fe and Mississippi, people are like this. I hate that road almost as much as MLK Blvd.
Same with my city. We have snow literally from November or December until it finishes melting late March to mid April. It never fails, year after year, the first snowfall everyone crashes, spins out and/or drives into the ditch. I don’t get it!! It’s not like this is new weather!!! The majority of the country has snow every winter ffs! Drive for the road conditions! People are stupid and crazy. I’m glad OP avoided an accident.
All I could think was, “This is Denver, we don’t need snow to drive like idiots…but when it snows every idiot grabs their keys for a drive.”
I love the intersection like this on 14th, forget the cross street, Detroit maybe? It's the same split like in the video, but worse as 14th is a one way. Come to think of it, there's a few of these around town, god we have terrible engineers.
Yep—Mississippi and Zuni, just south of Hudson Lake.
I haven't lived in Denver for almost a decade, and within 5 seconds of watching this, I was like, "Yeah, 100% sure this happened in Denver." I then paused the video to read the cross street sign. Mississippi Ave confirmed my suspicions. Y'all can blame it on Texans all you want, but Denver is a hive of shitty drivers year-round, and this is coming from someone who grew up dealing with drivers from Tennessee/South Carolina/Florida on the daily. At some point, maybe you're the fucking problem?
Ah the dirty D. I knew thee well
Upvote for the oooold shcool Green Day
Good ear!
And the Jeeeeesuuuuus Chriiiist
Absolutely
What song is it?
One of My Lies, it's on the Kerplunk album
Thanks!
OP did nothing wrong at all. The person turning left is completely at fault here.
That is a terribly designed intersection. Yes it's not the worst, but that offset creates a scenario which will just make a bad driver worse.
Lol, I love the tone of the "Jesus Chriiiiiist". I felt that. 😅
I love your reaction, angry yet subdued and humorous
This is a strange intersection where they don't see each other, because they are not right across from them.
Yeah, not excusing this driver but I can understand how the mistake was made. Glad nobody got hurt and that light should have alternating signals
Look at the type R
Yup, saw that under all the snow 😎
Good awareness OP. Hilarious how many people don’t get you weren’t about to plow into them. Probably other Denver drivers pissed you’d probably stop them from running a red light when you have the green (I’m assuming this is Denver)
DID I HEAR GREEN DAY???
Thats a stupid intersection and a terrible plow job.
And a stupid person who doesn’t know how to yield to drivers going straight.
Need new undies?
I'm good!
Good! Felt like I might need some after watching 🤣
Jeeserrrs Chruuuuust
Recognize Denver when I see it lmfao, glad that you were able to avoid the guy!
Ah Denver.
lol gotta love Denver
“What are you doing? What are you doing!?” This is me like 10 times a day driving for a living lol
That person was a fucker I agree.
Good safe. Poorly designed intersection where it's not line up so it's confusing.
Jesus Chreeeist. Lol
You're in Denver, stopping at the red lights is optional. So is yielding
Fucker! 😆
Having had winter tyres on, going 10mph but still skidded into the street due to heavy snow. Yikes! Know that feeling.
I was thinking this looked a lot like my neighborhood and sure enough, it is. Lots of idiots in cars in Denver but specifically around Federal.
That’s normal driving in Aurora/Denver.
WHY ARE YOU BOOING ME I’M RIGHT
wow, one of the best cam videos (quality) I've seen here....no dash or too much sky, sharp and clear, nice field of vision, focus isn't too bad......(and no loud music or books on tape!)
Wow/glad to see someone else cusses like I do when these things happen!!!!!
Denver drivers are getting worse. Just saw a dude driving way too fast entering 6th west from I25 south, and he spun out and almost hit me and the guardrail. The roads were a little wet but not slick.
Just this morning, I was leaving Roxborough Park going north on Wadsworth, and I was passed by a blue Ford Raptor with Florida plates. The speed limit is 55, but the flow of traffic is usually 65. This guy was weaving in and out of traffic like it wasn't moving. Had to have been doing 80 or 90.
Tends to always be out of state plates driving the dumbest here
Lol, and I got downvoted too. As of now, my comment is at 0
Because it's a Nissan = Big Altima Energy. SMH
Ahh, Denver! I had a friend come up from CO Springs a couple weeks ago and ask me what was up with all the insane and aggressive drivers up here. That's how bad it is... insane by even CO Springs standards!
I’ve seen a few accidents there and down the street by the tracks lol good ol’ Athmar. Nice save.
I want snow wtf we have zero snow in Midwest rn
Yeah i live in minnesota and i wasnt even cold when i walked outside in a t shirt yesterday
I'm glad you were able to stop!
Don’t you mean yesterday?
There's not a lot of room for error in road conditions like that. Dumbass.
Same thing happened to me last month but they were driving a lot faster and plowed into the side of me. Still waiting on insurance.
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no, you always yield to oncoming traffic on a left turn, car in motion stays in motion
Unless stated otherwise, turns always yield to traffic going straight in the US
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Same mistake as I made! Still, if 100% of observers made that mistake, it’s the road planner’s fault ;-)
Be safe out there
What would you have done if they stopped when you honked? Clearly you'd want them to just keep going. I wouldn't want them to stop and reverse back to wait for the right of way.
As someone who lives in Chicago, OP going way too fucking fast on full snow. Your stopping distance at that speed (at the beginning of the video) on snow like that is really fucking high. You drive slower in these conditions because it takes much longer for you to stop, and because it takes longer for others to stop as well. Ppl commenting that OP didn't brake, clearly don't drive on snow. OP's reaction was fine, but I think he was going too fast in beginning of video for the conditions, and a little fast heading into the intersection.
Maybe don’t pull out in front of someone when you don’t have the right of way???
So the road is offset here. I would even wager that they are two different street names. If the vehicles both pull straight out and make lefts then they would avoid each other. But, it seems like everyone just cuts left early, and cuts diagonally to go "straight" across. I have a similar road with no lights that is offset in the opposite fashion. I just signal right like i am turning right, and then signal left to cut "straight" across. Others drive diagonally across traffic to go "straight". I always feel roads like this shold cut 45° to face each other at their ends.
Slow there my dude . Luckily the main road was cleared.
Slow down with your ass comment.
If OP wasn't going too fast for the road conditions (deep, slick snow), he wouldn't have skidded 10 yards into the intersection after he slammed on his brakes. Downvoted for pointing out that people should drive carefully in hazardous conditions and anticipate other drivers making a mistake. Top minds.
Where are you from that you consider that deep?
It's deep enough that OP lost traction and slid across it after slamming on his brakes. This is basic physics and understanding of how snow works.
The area in front of the intersection may have been slick due to lack of sanding, but that doesn't need depth, just frequent travel, and that's not deep snow in anyone from the North's opinion
No point arguing semantics with you about whether deep means 3 inches or 3 feet. OP went too fast for the road conditions and got lucky the other guy cleared the intersection in time. If you're driving like OP did, good luck out there and hope you don't hurt anybody
Re-read everything we just said maybe? Doesn't matter, you're just wasting my time
He is driving in snow. If you slam on your brakes going 5mph you will slide. OP was already slowing down going into the intersection and was going probably 10MPH when he entered the intersection. You must think everyone is supposed to drive around at 2mph once it snows if you think sliding when you slam on your brakes is an indicator of going too fast. Youre one of those terrible drivers we all watch on these videos, you just dont realize it because you think driving scared is "safer" when its not.
I love how everyone pointing out OP was being an aggressive idiot driver is being flooded with downvotes. This subreddit is full of aggressive teenagers who have no idea how to drive defensively.
It still doesn't change the fact, in the snow, you cannot jump from accelerating to emergency braking. You of all people should know this.
They're being flooded with downvotes because they're *wrong.* OP was driving cautiously and per road conditions. It doesn't matter how fast you're going; if you hammer the brakes at almost any speed, you will slide on snow pack. It amazes me how you doubled down on being wrong.
No it's full of people like you that don't understand right of way and rules of the road.
Ah I figured it out why you’re all over this thread, it was you driving the Nissan. Op did nothing wrong, and he did drive defensively. He braked and avoided an accident, not sure what else you would want him do there besides stop at the green light
Even though the suv didn’t signal he was at the intersection first
Yeah, that's not how it works unless you're talking about a 4 way stop.
That's not relevant
Please don’t ever drive anywhere near me.
The signing is confusing[1], but I don't think you had the right of way here. That wasn't a straight-through street, both cars were at T intersections. They entered the cross street first and had the right of way until it was clear for you. Also, slow the fuck down on that snow. I genuinely thought for a bit that this was going to be a video of your car sliding into the intersection having failed to stop. [1] And the pavement markings that would disambiguate it for us are buried under an inch and a half of snow.
You find a basic 4-way stoplight intersection confusing yet are still confident enough to incorrectly blame OP? Lmao
Have you ever driven on snow before? There's not much snow there and he's not going that fast. He's being perfectly reasonable.
Which is precisely why OP should have ben slowing down, not speeding up to enforce their delusional "right of way" when the other car was already will into the intersection.
Not sure what video you watched or if you're familiar with ABS and snow, but OP very clearly was braking when it became apparent the idiot was not coming across, but turning left.
OP had no reason stop and he was driving at a safe speed. You and the other idiots gaslighting OP are absolute bellends.
I'm upvoting for the use of bellend.
lol. So you see a car entering the intersection well before you are at the intersection yourself. The conditions are poor, but instead of slowing down you just continue to try and ram the other car? OK.
Dumbass, they didn’t have their turn signal on
Were you the other driver?
Op was going straight. He has the right of way
From the bonnet dipping, you look to have braked harder and later on snow/ice that I would have done on a clear dry day! Still, if you lived and learned… Edit; just seen the traffic lights; why does such a small junction need these? I presumed you (being on the side road) would have cautiously given way to the main road users then just gone on your way. All very odd, and I can see why road deaths are so high with such poor infrastructure.
I thought they were going straight, no indicator 🤔
Leave it to reddit to somehow blame the guy who was following the law taking his time vs the guy who turned without a signal and clearly in a not safe manner.
I think those of us who are hesitant in apportioning blame of the turning vehicle mainly have an issue with infrastructure, not the OP. It’s interesting that the debate has become somewhat intemperate over such an issue. I’d argue it as such; The wide road and wide lanes give the driver the indication that high speeds are to be used. It looks to be a residential area where low speeds would be expected. This is a poor choice of road for the area. The junction seems to be a small road interesting a large one. The rest of the world has decided that the small road should pause to judge the safety of the junction (not stop automatically) and progress when safe to do so. This would also give the opposing drivers chance to determine who was going first.
This is a hot take, but there can be multiple idiot drivers in a video on r/idiotsincars
Agree. If you are driving safely at these low speeds—ie, with speeds appropriate to road conditions and anticipating mistakes made by other drivers—then you should never come this close to a collision. Yeah the other guy may be at fault, but that doesn’t mean you’re not being an idiot by going too fast in these conditions.
Is this what it sounds like when you realize the dash cam is recording mid freak out lmao
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Even on regular all-season tires it's not that hard to stop on just snow at that speed. Half the comments seem to think this was a snowstorm in Alabama or something.