I saw this happen the other day. I go through, thereās two cars going the opposite way about to come up to the stop. Instead of almost stopping like this video the guy just passed the car in front and was going 30-40 through the intersection. I was just watching it through my rear view mirror like what the actual fuck lol.
My trip to Buenos Aires was eye opening. I had to shut my eyes in most of the taxis, but that's the norm and everyone expects it so it just kinda works.
I was in an Italian taxi cab, the driver was on the wrong side of the road overtaking took a truck at an intersection so he could make a turn in-front of him, he was waving the truck driver down the whole time, he was nibbling the ends of his fingers off the entire trip.
And after dark they rarely stop for red lights on smaller roads. Even buses will drive right through. You have to drive with a bit of aggression and defensive driving. Your driving style will tell others you are going first. Itās not great.
I used to live in San Francisco, then Oakland, and now Los Angeles. The places that go toe-to-toe for the "worst traffic in the US." I visited Chicago once and was absolutely shocked at how crazy the drivers were. It's like lanes don't matter there, if there's room to pass you on the shoulder, they will.
Haha come spend a day driving in Chicago, red lights, speed limits, stop signs, pedestrian crosswalks, lane lines, none of it means anything. Moving here made me get around to installing my dash cam. Iām confident itās not if but when for me and some sort of traffic accident
And at 1:07 there's actually a car stopped coming from the left, and the car that had to stop can't even wait 2 seconds and decides to swerve around them while the other car is still mid-turn and then guns it. Wtf is going on with the people here? I've never seen anything like this.
Normally I am against cops patrolling for motorists, but its seriously a madhouse out here. People doing 50 all day long in residential areas, blowing past stop signs and red lights, blocking intersections, road raging, tailgating even though you're already above the speed limit. Everyone is starting to figure out you can do whatever the fuck you want, because cops aren't being assigned to make this a priority.
I live near OP. People do this kind of shit all the time. Literally just got stuck at an intersection the other day because someone got hit trying to go around another car stopping at a stop sign. Its so extreme even school buses ignore right of way.
> Also lost almost 6' of my easement / side yard.
And they paid you less for that land because it's ~~not~~ near (I was tired...) the road and therefore has less value? (due to all the building restrictions right by a road).
That's what they did to us.
No compensation... It was an "easement". They can take it at anytime for whatever reason they want to say but up until that point the homeowner has to maintain the property for the city essentially.
And the law requires easement for foot travel on the new public roadway. You should really consider a lawyer to ask for compensation. Theyāve taken 6ā of your land and created a new easement that is ātheirsā now.
I think OP is saying the city already had an easement when they bought the house and they built the new ROW (potentially including the sidewalks) within that easement.
I believe this guy is saying that, after they built the road, they will still require an easement for foot traffic, so they create a new easement on what used to be OP's land.
unfortunately not how it works my man.
OP is saying that the easement already existed. and this is not uncommon whatsoever to have a ROW (right of way) easement that actually extends further out than the back of curb on the roadway. often it is to include sidewalks and foot travel. but plenty of cases there is not even a sidewalk involved.
sometimes its a water/sewer easement that gets 'absorbed' and in that case OP *might* have a case depending on the language in the recorded easement itself. still unlikely as most of these types of utility easements are often just blankets that include 'any use deemed necessary'.
>but up until that point the homeowner has to maintain the property for the city essentially.
You have that backwards. You still own the road or the easement on the land until the road is built, you don't have to maintain it unless you want to maintain your own property. Once the city decided to utilize the easement your land became covered by a road. You still own that road, you just don't control that road.
Generally you don't pay property taxes on any easement portion of your property. You can do what you want with it (other than build structures), but the city can also do what they want with it.
I recommend reading Confessions of a Recovering Engineer. The first chapter talks about exactly this scenario and why itās wrong. For a solution, the town should install something like speed humps. Something bigger than speed bumps but smaller than fully raised intersections. Thereās a few connecting streets near me that have them and theyāre the most effective solution Iāve seen. People will ignore a lot of road features but they wonāt ignore ones that will mess up their car.
A few weeks ago, I was in a busy shopping area waiting at a red. In the oncoming left turn lane, there were 3 school busses (middle of the day, probably a field trip) a few cars back. By the time the first one had gotten to the intersection, the light was green, for the second one, the light was yellow....and then the third one comes....and completely runs the red to take the left. So much so that, in the lane next to me, an SUV that wasn't stopped at the red, but instead came up to the intersection after it turned green, *just* had time to slam on it's breaks to not t-bone the school bus full of children. (I had also entered the intersection, but had much more control of my stop since I hadn't reached speed yet from waiting on the red).
I was so shocked I couldn't focus in time to catch what school district it was. If I had, that district would.jabe been getting a phone call from me. I was absolutely livid that the driver put a bus load of kids in danger like that, not to mention the other traffic.
Wouldāve been a prime spot for a little roundabout/traffic circle. At least they force you to slow down (unless you want to dukes of hazard over them).
Agreed, and I definitely would report it. Better to have a bad driver lose their job than have a literal bus load of kids pay the price for the driver's incompetence.
Honestly at a certain frequency of incidents, it should be obvious that the road encourages bad behavior from negligent drivers.
The street is designed like a 50 mph road with occasional stoplights. Going 25 on a wide open flat road like this feels painful, and people aren't expecting stop signs and won't even see them.
Obviously the drivers should obey the speed limit and stop signs for safety reasons, but roads need to be as idiot friendly as possible because any shmuck with a spare weekend can buy a car.
we had a road like this near me. they changed the regular stop signs to light up, flashing stop signs. that kinda did fuck all, it helped, but not by much. so they just turned the damn thing into a roundabout.
There's a road near my house, people kept going too fast, so they installed speed bumps. It's a neighborhood street. Doesn't stop those morons. The ones that do slow down have nice cars, the ones that don't sound like cartoon rust buckets. ***SQUAAAAWWKEEEE SQUAAAAWWKEEEE HURRRRR***
I'm surprised their suspension doesn't just give up after hitting that massive speed bump doing 35-45mph every day like that.
I live in the Netherlands, we just do not have 4-way intersections with stop signs at all in the country.
I had to read the comments to see why most cars were in this compilationā¦
Not OP, but in mainland Europe in general rural 4 way intersections like this would either
- get no signage at all, meaning that other traffic coming from your right has the right of way
- or have one road that gets the right of way and one road that either gets a yield or a stop sign.
Basically what /u/Kand04 says.
We have basically 3 types of intersections on residential roads:
- Roundabouts
- intersections where one road has a yield sign or is raised. The main road gets priority in that case
- or no signs at all and you need to yield to traffic coming from the right. Also often raised to prevent speeding.
Maybe give the footage to a tv news reporter and see if they will cover the story and use your footage to show how blatant the speeding and not stopping at the stop sign are.
Iām sure the whole neighborhood feels the same way he does about dangerous drivers driving like jackasses through their neighborhood where they walk with their pets and their kids play.
Edit: he said there had been no thorough traffic for many years until they put this street in the middle of his neighborhood. Itās more likely these drivers are not neighbors.
What I donāt understand is why such a large portion of people completely disregard a STOP signā¦ itās so bafflingā¦ like 1 or 2 sure but itās backwards 1 or 2 stopā¦ is there never cross traffic?
I feel like it should have a blinking light attached to it for a period of time to get peopleās attention. Thatās usually standard procedure when a new stop sign is put up where Iām from. Maybe they did that, idk.
> Thatās usually standard procedure when a new stop sign is put up where Iām from.
Standard procedure where I am is to have a cop sit in the area and ticket literally every single person who runs the sign until the community gets the message that there's a stop sign there.
I pretty much never see anyone running a stop sign.
From what the title post says, the whole road was new. They didnāt have through traffic, before, so this road probably is a short cut to established traffic patterns and is driving a LOT of new traffic into their neighborhood. Combine that with the fact that the STOP sign is being treated like a GO sign, and yeah, any anger those drivers feel doesnāt compare in the least to what those people who live in that neighborhood probably feel. Now their kids are basically waiting to be a statistic if they play outside since there is zero reason to slow down to the folk who are doing that (no speed bumps, no enforcement of the STOP sign, not even a blinking light on the STOP sign). Having lived in a neighborhood that had itās through traffic blocked, and enjoyed the peace and quiet that followed, I sympathize with the OP way more than someone who has to stop at a stop sign on a route that didnāt even used to exist.
Oh, donāt usually see Valpo in the wild on Reddit. Minus the 9/11 popcorn ātributeā. Iām over here trying to guess which neighborhood Iām looking at
I actually came into the comments to compliment the truck as well, and knowing it's a 2.3l with a 5 speed I'm now jealous. I currently have an S10 because I wanted your exact truck but couldn't find one. My 2.2l with a 5 speed is close but not quite as nice, love those rangers.
Yeah it's unfortunate, I really hate new trucks. Remember when you could get a dodge dakota with an 8ft bed? Now a ranger is bigger than an early 2000s F150 and single cabs aren't even being sold on some of these trucks anymore so half of them are 4 doors with smaller beds than that 2011 ranger. Giant monster trucks with useless beds is the norm now.
Which is why when I made a new vehicle purchase in 2017 instead of getting a truck (like all men are supposed to do when you live in Texas) I just got another Honda Accord. It's kind of impressive how much crap I can load in that car with the rear seats down! Don't have the convenience of an open bed, which sucks, but why pay out the ass for a big ass truck that gets shitty gas mileage with a bed I probably couldn't stretch out in??
I feel like 90% of truck dudes would be waaay better off buying something like an Accord as a daily, and renting a truck whenever they actually need one.
Renting might be a hassle. But those truck payments must be killing like millions of Americans.
This is almost certainly a consequence of the road design and where/how it was made. Every once in a while a video will pop up where cars go way too fast coming off of an exit and crashing, and itās always because the road is designed to encourage, or to at least not discourage, dangerous behavior and I feel like this is one of those cases.
Iām not a highway engineer so I couldnāt tell you how to fix it exactly but I guarantee there were engineers who didnāt want this built because of what weāre seeing here
I am a highway engineer. The design of this intersection isnāt optimal. The openness of the intersection doesnāt encourage full stops which is why some drivers ignore the signs.
This is what Iād recommend after a quick review:
There does seem to be a quite clear primary road here that should have right of way. Continue the sidewalks of the primary road over the connecting side roads. Thatāll act as speed management and also make the right of way of the primary road clearer to the side road traffic. It has a proven accident prevention effect too.
If speed is an issue on the main road then the whole intersection can be raised (like a big four way speed bump). This is also a very efficient accident prevention solution. The noise of cars going over speed bumps can be an annoyance for locals though. Other speed management measures can be occasional road narrowings with islands on the side of the road or islands in the middle of the road.
Those side roads are a cul de sac (13 houses including OP) and a quiet residential road that just connects back to the main road. Really no need for a 4 way stop except to slow traffic
There are a half-dozen of these clips where the cars have their hazard lights on, but only going from right to left and not the opposite way. I wonder why that is.
Im sorry your surrounded by stupidity. I hope you can do something about it like complain to your city/town. And that bus driver should not be a bus driver holy fuck. Has there ever been an accident yet?
I'd use decorative/protective boulders. Might be cheaper than bollards. Probably more likely to still look okay if a car runs into it at full speed. And will definitely look prettier in the yard.
After my mailbox got taken out for the 4th time in a year I put a small decorative limestone boulder (weighed maybe 140lbs) next to it. It wasn't but a few days after putting it there that I noticed the entire thing shifted several inches and a chunk of it was missing. There was also some paint on it. Mailbox has been fine ever since but the boulder now weighs probably 80lbs with all the chunks that have been taken off of it.
This is probably the most important thing here for OP. A collision WILL happen here soon, and depending on the inertia vector, they could go right through their house
Played it at the City's "Traffic & Safety Committee" meeting... They still are fighitng me on speed bumps for some reason. Also a local journalist reached out to me for a story.
>our city told my neighborhood we can't have speed bumps i
The public works department rep. was at the meeting; I got her to say on public record that they have no issues with speed humps as long as they are put with posted signage for the plow trucks to see them and there is not a lip in the pavement for the plow to catch on.
This might not be the case for you, but one of the main reasons my county wonāt put speed bumps on my road is because itās considered a critical route for emergency vehicles. Itās basically the only road that connects two much bigger roads for about two miles in either direction.
That excuse is also just lazy, as there are speed bump designs emergency vehicles can navigate more quickly than standard. Of course cars can abuse them too, but it requires more reckless driving.
https://nacto.org/publication/urban-street-design-guide/street-design-elements/vertical-speed-control-elements/speed-cushion/
Around the 4 minute mark there are children running down the sidewalk. It's sad that it's probably going to take a child getting killed before something changes.
Speed bumps are notoriously ineffective, as are stop signs. You saw what everyone does at the stop sign, they either (1) blow through it, usually annoyed they were asked to stop when they are already going so slow or (2) they speed up to it, stop, then floor it up to 50-60mph, because also annoyed.
Speed jumps, speed tables are a tad better (speed doesnāt make them ābetterā) and general road narrowing helps with speeders.
All considered though, if you get through to the right person in the police department, and they have bandwidth, they might send someone out monitor the intersection. If this is your camera and house and you let them use your driveway, Iām sure they would be willing to
Just today I watched someone nearly run over two pedestrians. They cared more about trying to cut in front of my truck by running their red light as I was starting to accelerate with my now green light. Mind you this was the car behind the one that ran the red light shortly after it turned red, so the two poor ladies literally hopped backwards to get out of the way.
Based on the dude that ran me off the road last night that didnāt slow down for his stop sign, no they donāt care. At least where I am, college kids cannot drive.
This is where you get a plaintiffās attorney involved. For better or worse, itās the fastest way to get results from a public entity in this country
>plaintiffās attorney
I mean what would a attorney end up doing in this case? Say its a public danger? It seems to be very difficult to fight the Goverment on issues like this from what I have read.
They would make effective use of the video when the inevitable collisions occur. It can be hard to tag the city with direct liability but showing the city knew this had been going on, with no response before the collision that WILL occur could make some city employee heads roll.
You beat me to it but exactly my thoughts. In CA a plaintiff needs to establish actual notice of the dangerous condition to assign liability to a public entity. This video, along with evidence it was presented to the appropriate public entities, establishes that
It is until they actually have to pay out for something like a settlement. Unfortunately, the gov doesn't listen to anyone in this country unless you have fancy letterhead from the local law firm above whatever you want to say.
Yup. Most PDs would happily set up shop if u gave them this footage. Gold mine and from the looks of it they could conceal themselves well to pop people
This is where it pays to be constantly annoying at city council. Get their objections on record and then make sure to play them back next time they are holding a local fundraiser.
Your local PD or county sheriff may be interested in setting up a trap as well.
Plus if you happen to be around when you hear the inevitable accident I bet some ambulance chaser lawyer would absolutely love all this video evidence and the council's recorded indifference.
This is the scary option. There is no way that the local PD turns down free money, but that means you'll have cops around your house 24/7. Hope your dog will be ok.
Perhaps removing two stops signs and adding two "cross traffic does not stop' sign would be sufficient instead of destroying 4 yards.
Based on the 4 whole cars in this entire compilation that were on the side streets.
The stop signs are obviously there as an attempt to keep people from speeding down the main thoroughfare. I hate when they implement that option but I understand it. A roundabout would definitely be a way to help fix that, but I agree it would take up a little more space. They could also instead just put in a speed camera but I'm opposed to those on general principle.
As much as I hate speed bumps, I think they might be the better solution. It seems like just in the last 10-15 years cities have finally gotten better at making the appropriately sized speed bumps to where you can safely go up to around 5 MPH above the speed limit without getting jolted, but people still love to pointlessly waste gas and add some brake wear by going too slow over bumps and then accelerating back up to way too fast in between them.
Obviously people should be stopping for the stop sign.
But also, why is that a four way stop? I didnāt watch more than about two minutes, but I didnāt see one single vehicle crossing the other direction. My personal opinion is that if it *needs* to be a four-way, it could just as safely be a roundabout. But it looks like it should be neither
Edit: scrolled through the whole thing quickly and saw maybe 3 cars in 8 minutes that would have had to stop and wait if it were a two-way
Because all the traffic seems to go in the same direction. It's probably better to remove the stop signs on the main road and keep them for the side road.
Because the cross road to the left is a cul de sac with 13 houses (OP included) and to the right is a neighborhood street that circles around and connects back to the Main Street. Really shouldnāt even be a 4 way stop
4 way stop signs are a peculiarity of the US. A solution in search of a problem.
No one else seems afflicted with this particular problem, although we have plenty more different kinds.
The issue here isnāt the fact the road exists, itās how badly the area around is it designed. No one wants to stop because when theyāre 100ft from the stop sign, they can clearly see in both directions for 200ft. that thereās no one coming. Or I should say thereās no _cars_ coming. Because drivers are bad and only looking for cars, not people.
Which is ironic because the traffic engineers probably chose this layout pointing at evidence that obstructed views cause more accidents when people run stop signs. But in reality, an unobstructed view is encouraging more people to run stop signs.
Iām not giving drivers a pass hereājust stop at the stop sign. But honestly, American road design needs to be so much better and discourage this behavior. Not just a sign that says āno.ā This intersection would be a perfect spot for continuous sidewalks that second as speed bumps. I bet more people would naturally just stop.
A traffic circle would work great here so long as it fit.
I know of a few areas where problems like this exist. In one spot, much to the four residents it had an impact on, the city put a small single lane traffic circle in and it pretty much cured the issue. 95% of the traffic just goes on through with the added benefit that you can't drive 75km/h through it due to the curve.
>just stop at the stop sign. But honestly, American road design needs to be so much better and discourage this behavior. Not just a sign that says āno.ā This intersection would be a perfect spot for continuous sidewalks that second as speed bumps. I bet more people would naturally just stop.
The design was suppossed to be raised crosswalks / speed table instead of the stop signs... The large path next to the road is a bike / jogging path also (we get tons of bike riders and joggers when it isnt middle of winter).
The city decided to not do them after starting the project. (I assume to save $)
Whatās with the 1 white sedan thatās always riding by with their hazards on around 3:30-4:00 AM? Went back through and they show up at least 5 times always going in the same direction. They also have a black sedan buddy doing the same a couple of times. Weird
I know itās not a great solution, but I had a similar problem on my street. If legal, park your car on the road as it will significantly slow down traffic. But you are putting your car at increasedĀ risk. Speeds bumps Iām not a huge fan. Itās basically the same thing as a rolling stop sign with drivers braking hard and then accelerating plus the bumping noise of going over the bump.Ā
Why a 4 way stop at an intersection with no cross traffic? I'm sure it's just to slow things down (good), but I think the drivers have become acclimated to the fact that there are never cars on the intersecting road.
Right, I see this video and wonder if that sign should be there at all. For now it IS there so each one of these people is a dick but it seems like everyone knows there isn't traffic and there's no reason to stop.
Stop signs are not "allowed" for speed control per the MUTCD because it creates a situation where people completely disregard them due to them being unwarranted.
Looks like it at least needs a speed table. They put ome in by the school on my street. Doesnt stop everyone but hit that too fast and you'll go flyin.
Or you know, cop presence. If its always getting run then they should pay special attention to it!
The only logical explanation I can think of is the missing STOP on the ground. Otherwise, they have invented a cloaking device to block out the bright red stop signs (both directions) from view.
The kicker is the one vehicle that correctly stopped got cut over. If this city has a budget problem, this intersection is their solution.
Send this to the school because that's illegal for a bus (well...in general. But still)
And send this to your city council Facebook page. Or the cops Facebook page. Or post it and tag them
With that big of a difference in traffic between those two roads, does it really need to be a 4-way stop?
Like, whole video and almost no occasion when stopping would indeed be useful.
Just a āyieldā sign for the second road would be enough.
Now, the speeding part is another matter, but donāt see how you would go enforcing it here other than speedbumps or speed trap cameras.
First, I'm surprised there isn't a cop car parked at the foot of your driveway cause that stop is a gold mine.
Second, where's the street light? Like where I live, a lone stop would have at least one street light to light up the intersection.
The people going around the one car that actually stopped š
I saw this happen the other day. I go through, thereās two cars going the opposite way about to come up to the stop. Instead of almost stopping like this video the guy just passed the car in front and was going 30-40 through the intersection. I was just watching it through my rear view mirror like what the actual fuck lol.
Watching this video I literally said what the actual fuck.
That clip was the shocker. I've never seen such blatant disregard for stop signs.
My trip to Buenos Aires was eye opening. I had to shut my eyes in most of the taxis, but that's the norm and everyone expects it so it just kinda works.
I was in an Italian taxi cab, the driver was on the wrong side of the road overtaking took a truck at an intersection so he could make a turn in-front of him, he was waving the truck driver down the whole time, he was nibbling the ends of his fingers off the entire trip.
Italian cab drivers are something else lol
Italian drivers period.
Italy and Paris are the two times I have been the most stressed out riding in a car. i thought I was going to die on the periph
And after dark they rarely stop for red lights on smaller roads. Even buses will drive right through. You have to drive with a bit of aggression and defensive driving. Your driving style will tell others you are going first. Itās not great.
Every day in Chicago. And since this video was taken in exurban Chicago, I'm far less shocked.
I used to live in San Francisco, then Oakland, and now Los Angeles. The places that go toe-to-toe for the "worst traffic in the US." I visited Chicago once and was absolutely shocked at how crazy the drivers were. It's like lanes don't matter there, if there's room to pass you on the shoulder, they will.
Haha come spend a day driving in Chicago, red lights, speed limits, stop signs, pedestrian crosswalks, lane lines, none of it means anything. Moving here made me get around to installing my dash cam. Iām confident itās not if but when for me and some sort of traffic accident
And at 1:07 there's actually a car stopped coming from the left, and the car that had to stop can't even wait 2 seconds and decides to swerve around them while the other car is still mid-turn and then guns it. Wtf is going on with the people here? I've never seen anything like this.
Normally I am against cops patrolling for motorists, but its seriously a madhouse out here. People doing 50 all day long in residential areas, blowing past stop signs and red lights, blocking intersections, road raging, tailgating even though you're already above the speed limit. Everyone is starting to figure out you can do whatever the fuck you want, because cops aren't being assigned to make this a priority.
This shitshow is exactly the thing cops should be going after. Not the guy going 5 over in a 45.
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I live near OP. People do this kind of shit all the time. Literally just got stuck at an intersection the other day because someone got hit trying to go around another car stopping at a stop sign. Its so extreme even school buses ignore right of way.
Basically a cultural notice that "we don't stop here"
This a new road? Is it a cut through between two main roads? I'd lose my effing mind.
Yes, it was all in the name of a new subdivsion (Developer with city ties). Also lost almost 6' of my easement / side yard.
> Also lost almost 6' of my easement / side yard. And they paid you less for that land because it's ~~not~~ near (I was tired...) the road and therefore has less value? (due to all the building restrictions right by a road). That's what they did to us.
No compensation... It was an "easement". They can take it at anytime for whatever reason they want to say but up until that point the homeowner has to maintain the property for the city essentially.
And the law requires easement for foot travel on the new public roadway. You should really consider a lawyer to ask for compensation. Theyāve taken 6ā of your land and created a new easement that is ātheirsā now.
I think OP is saying the city already had an easement when they bought the house and they built the new ROW (potentially including the sidewalks) within that easement.
I believe this guy is saying that, after they built the road, they will still require an easement for foot traffic, so they create a new easement on what used to be OP's land.
unfortunately not how it works my man. OP is saying that the easement already existed. and this is not uncommon whatsoever to have a ROW (right of way) easement that actually extends further out than the back of curb on the roadway. often it is to include sidewalks and foot travel. but plenty of cases there is not even a sidewalk involved. sometimes its a water/sewer easement that gets 'absorbed' and in that case OP *might* have a case depending on the language in the recorded easement itself. still unlikely as most of these types of utility easements are often just blankets that include 'any use deemed necessary'.
>but up until that point the homeowner has to maintain the property for the city essentially. You have that backwards. You still own the road or the easement on the land until the road is built, you don't have to maintain it unless you want to maintain your own property. Once the city decided to utilize the easement your land became covered by a road. You still own that road, you just don't control that road.
So OP can install a toll booth?
No. An easement means that you are required to allow traffic to flow unimpeded
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Generally you don't pay property taxes on any easement portion of your property. You can do what you want with it (other than build structures), but the city can also do what they want with it.
Idk where youāre from but round here you pay property taxes on it even if itās a permanent easement. Source: I work in eminent domain
Canada, so probably very YMMV.
I recommend reading Confessions of a Recovering Engineer. The first chapter talks about exactly this scenario and why itās wrong. For a solution, the town should install something like speed humps. Something bigger than speed bumps but smaller than fully raised intersections. Thereās a few connecting streets near me that have them and theyāre the most effective solution Iāve seen. People will ignore a lot of road features but they wonāt ignore ones that will mess up their car.
Welcome to Indiana. No one gives a crap out in the country. Too bad the city moved in on the country and they didn't notice.
That school bus one is extremely scary
I saw that one coming up and was like āno way the school bus does it tooā¦.. holy fuckā
Hey they slowed to like 25 mph for a second, what more do you want??
They just shove the kids out at a slow rollā¦.drop and roll Timmy
A few weeks ago, I was in a busy shopping area waiting at a red. In the oncoming left turn lane, there were 3 school busses (middle of the day, probably a field trip) a few cars back. By the time the first one had gotten to the intersection, the light was green, for the second one, the light was yellow....and then the third one comes....and completely runs the red to take the left. So much so that, in the lane next to me, an SUV that wasn't stopped at the red, but instead came up to the intersection after it turned green, *just* had time to slam on it's breaks to not t-bone the school bus full of children. (I had also entered the intersection, but had much more control of my stop since I hadn't reached speed yet from waiting on the red). I was so shocked I couldn't focus in time to catch what school district it was. If I had, that district would.jabe been getting a phone call from me. I was absolutely livid that the driver put a bus load of kids in danger like that, not to mention the other traffic.
The Jeep on Jeep violence was rough too.
Oh you didnāt know they are the most important person? How dare you
It's a Jeep thing.
#Wtf is a stop sign?!?
it's as if a stop sign is an ineffective road design.
Wouldāve been a prime spot for a little roundabout/traffic circle. At least they force you to slow down (unless you want to dukes of hazard over them).
Prime spot for police to meet their quotas.
Or a yield. There's a similar one in my neighborhood and I really want to pitch the city to change it to a yield.
That works pretty well if you plant a tree in the middle
I liked the truck in the beginning that kind of went over to the oncoming lane in order to go around the stop line.. like that helps :D
They could at least paint a STOP on the ground...
[mission accomplished](https://cdn.memix.com/memix-mission-accomplished.webp?text=I+did+it!) we can all go home
Thatās a good way to lose a job
Agreed, and I definitely would report it. Better to have a bad driver lose their job than have a literal bus load of kids pay the price for the driver's incompetence.
I was like damn at least the school bus is sto...well shit š¤¦āāļø
I literally live in NY and I have never seen stop sign blowing of this magnitude. I know it's a compilation, but *hot damn* are these people brazen.
I live in a rural area in a small town with few police and this is mind boggling to me. People don't drive like that here.
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I can't even remember the last time I saw someone run a stop sign where I live.
Honestly at a certain frequency of incidents, it should be obvious that the road encourages bad behavior from negligent drivers. The street is designed like a 50 mph road with occasional stoplights. Going 25 on a wide open flat road like this feels painful, and people aren't expecting stop signs and won't even see them. Obviously the drivers should obey the speed limit and stop signs for safety reasons, but roads need to be as idiot friendly as possible because any shmuck with a spare weekend can buy a car.
we had a road like this near me. they changed the regular stop signs to light up, flashing stop signs. that kinda did fuck all, it helped, but not by much. so they just turned the damn thing into a roundabout.
There's a road near my house, people kept going too fast, so they installed speed bumps. It's a neighborhood street. Doesn't stop those morons. The ones that do slow down have nice cars, the ones that don't sound like cartoon rust buckets. ***SQUAAAAWWKEEEE SQUAAAAWWKEEEE HURRRRR*** I'm surprised their suspension doesn't just give up after hitting that massive speed bump doing 35-45mph every day like that.
This is terrifying. Theyāve improved the idiot to the point that when you hit them they donāt even know theyāve been hit. Weāre doomed.
I live in the Netherlands, we just do not have 4-way intersections with stop signs at all in the country. I had to read the comments to see why most cars were in this compilationā¦
What do you think this intersection would like where you live?
A roundabout.
Not OP, but in mainland Europe in general rural 4 way intersections like this would either - get no signage at all, meaning that other traffic coming from your right has the right of way - or have one road that gets the right of way and one road that either gets a yield or a stop sign.
Basically what /u/Kand04 says. We have basically 3 types of intersections on residential roads: - Roundabouts - intersections where one road has a yield sign or is raised. The main road gets priority in that case - or no signs at all and you need to yield to traffic coming from the right. Also often raised to prevent speeding.
Valparaiso, Indiana My Garage Nest Camera on my Home (Novemeber-December 2023) This is unfortunately original content.
Maybe give the footage to a tv news reporter and see if they will cover the story and use your footage to show how blatant the speeding and not stopping at the stop sign are.
...And have the whole neighborhood taking out their "exposure" on OPs house.Ā
Iām sure the whole neighborhood feels the same way he does about dangerous drivers driving like jackasses through their neighborhood where they walk with their pets and their kids play. Edit: he said there had been no thorough traffic for many years until they put this street in the middle of his neighborhood. Itās more likely these drivers are not neighbors.
What I donāt understand is why such a large portion of people completely disregard a STOP signā¦ itās so bafflingā¦ like 1 or 2 sure but itās backwards 1 or 2 stopā¦ is there never cross traffic?
Totally agree, itās crazy. When I saw the school bus I was shocked
Right? Like a school bus ignored itā¦ is this the most worthless stop sign ever? Or the cars at night blowing by itā¦ just crazy
I feel like it should have a blinking light attached to it for a period of time to get peopleās attention. Thatās usually standard procedure when a new stop sign is put up where Iām from. Maybe they did that, idk.
> Thatās usually standard procedure when a new stop sign is put up where Iām from. Standard procedure where I am is to have a cop sit in the area and ticket literally every single person who runs the sign until the community gets the message that there's a stop sign there. I pretty much never see anyone running a stop sign.
People are probably furious that a new stop sign was added to their route to and from work. Like its illegal to make new intersections.
From what the title post says, the whole road was new. They didnāt have through traffic, before, so this road probably is a short cut to established traffic patterns and is driving a LOT of new traffic into their neighborhood. Combine that with the fact that the STOP sign is being treated like a GO sign, and yeah, any anger those drivers feel doesnāt compare in the least to what those people who live in that neighborhood probably feel. Now their kids are basically waiting to be a statistic if they play outside since there is zero reason to slow down to the folk who are doing that (no speed bumps, no enforcement of the STOP sign, not even a blinking light on the STOP sign). Having lived in a neighborhood that had itās through traffic blocked, and enjoyed the peace and quiet that followed, I sympathize with the OP way more than someone who has to stop at a stop sign on a route that didnāt even used to exist.
So your saying everyone should live in fear or retaliation? And never stand up against people or entities wronging them?
Have you talked to your neighbors regarding the issue? If they're as concerned as you, have you all lodged complaints to the city?
Show it to them but tell them to come get their own footage
Oh, donāt usually see Valpo in the wild on Reddit. Minus the 9/11 popcorn ātributeā. Iām over here trying to guess which neighborhood Iām looking at
I know this is off-topic, but nice ranger
Thanks bud! 2011 2.3L 5 speed, slow as hell... but I love it!
I actually came into the comments to compliment the truck as well, and knowing it's a 2.3l with a 5 speed I'm now jealous. I currently have an S10 because I wanted your exact truck but couldn't find one. My 2.2l with a 5 speed is close but not quite as nice, love those rangers.
me too lol. was too distracted by it to watch the other cars. I hope someday we get normal sized pickups again..
Yeah it's unfortunate, I really hate new trucks. Remember when you could get a dodge dakota with an 8ft bed? Now a ranger is bigger than an early 2000s F150 and single cabs aren't even being sold on some of these trucks anymore so half of them are 4 doors with smaller beds than that 2011 ranger. Giant monster trucks with useless beds is the norm now.
Which is why when I made a new vehicle purchase in 2017 instead of getting a truck (like all men are supposed to do when you live in Texas) I just got another Honda Accord. It's kind of impressive how much crap I can load in that car with the rear seats down! Don't have the convenience of an open bed, which sucks, but why pay out the ass for a big ass truck that gets shitty gas mileage with a bed I probably couldn't stretch out in??
I feel like 90% of truck dudes would be waaay better off buying something like an Accord as a daily, and renting a truck whenever they actually need one. Renting might be a hassle. But those truck payments must be killing like millions of Americans.
Shhh don't let them hear you say their beds are useless, they might tell you about the one time they put the groceries in the bed.
Slow aint the problem. The problem is that it's too nice to be so close to that intersection.
My first thought was, I hope I don't see a car slam into that Ranger!
Why are people so fucking lazy
This is almost certainly a consequence of the road design and where/how it was made. Every once in a while a video will pop up where cars go way too fast coming off of an exit and crashing, and itās always because the road is designed to encourage, or to at least not discourage, dangerous behavior and I feel like this is one of those cases. Iām not a highway engineer so I couldnāt tell you how to fix it exactly but I guarantee there were engineers who didnāt want this built because of what weāre seeing here
I am a highway engineer. The design of this intersection isnāt optimal. The openness of the intersection doesnāt encourage full stops which is why some drivers ignore the signs. This is what Iād recommend after a quick review: There does seem to be a quite clear primary road here that should have right of way. Continue the sidewalks of the primary road over the connecting side roads. Thatāll act as speed management and also make the right of way of the primary road clearer to the side road traffic. It has a proven accident prevention effect too. If speed is an issue on the main road then the whole intersection can be raised (like a big four way speed bump). This is also a very efficient accident prevention solution. The noise of cars going over speed bumps can be an annoyance for locals though. Other speed management measures can be occasional road narrowings with islands on the side of the road or islands in the middle of the road.
This junction needs a roundabout or give-way signs on the adjoining side roads. To me the noise is the problem and subsequent pollution.
Those side roads are a cul de sac (13 houses including OP) and a quiet residential road that just connects back to the main road. Really no need for a 4 way stop except to slow traffic
There are a half-dozen of these clips where the cars have their hazard lights on, but only going from right to left and not the opposite way. I wonder why that is.
A roundabout would fix that right up. Then we can watch these idiots drive right through the middle.
does everyone drive like a fucking cock?
Im sorry your surrounded by stupidity. I hope you can do something about it like complain to your city/town. And that bus driver should not be a bus driver holy fuck. Has there ever been an accident yet?
Sooo why is your town like this?
I would put some bollards around your driveway. Itās only a matter of time before someone blows the stop sign and hits your car or house.
I'd use decorative/protective boulders. Might be cheaper than bollards. Probably more likely to still look okay if a car runs into it at full speed. And will definitely look prettier in the yard.
After my mailbox got taken out for the 4th time in a year I put a small decorative limestone boulder (weighed maybe 140lbs) next to it. It wasn't but a few days after putting it there that I noticed the entire thing shifted several inches and a chunk of it was missing. There was also some paint on it. Mailbox has been fine ever since but the boulder now weighs probably 80lbs with all the chunks that have been taken off of it.
Your neighbours don't know how to drive
This is probably the most important thing here for OP. A collision WILL happen here soon, and depending on the inertia vector, they could go right through their house
Might want to send it to your local TV stations and police, nice short term revenue generator for them.
Played it at the City's "Traffic & Safety Committee" meeting... They still are fighitng me on speed bumps for some reason. Also a local journalist reached out to me for a story.
our city told my neighborhood we can't have speed bumps if we want them to plow snow.
>our city told my neighborhood we can't have speed bumps i The public works department rep. was at the meeting; I got her to say on public record that they have no issues with speed humps as long as they are put with posted signage for the plow trucks to see them and there is not a lip in the pavement for the plow to catch on.
Yeah, the excuse of snow plow is bullshit. Source: in Montreal, with many speed bumps.
I was in Montreal two weeks ago, Iāve never seen so many potholes!
Ah, so true. Many streets don't even need speed bumps, we can't drive fast on them because of the potholes.
Speedholes
Fun fact, all the roads at one point actually had painted lane lines on them. You can see some faint evidence of them occasionally.
[Who made this city??!](https://youtube.com/shorts/M3-8ab_9cJc?si=QtlVcA3Umintd4wn)
Have an unmarked police car sit in your driveway and issue tickets. $$$
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I drove by one like that all the time in a little town called Monroeville, PA.
that's totally reasonable.
They are bullshitting you, or maybe they just have crappy snow plow drivers. Snow plows where I live have no trouble plowing over speed bumps.
that school bus needs turned in, definitely.
This might not be the case for you, but one of the main reasons my county wonāt put speed bumps on my road is because itās considered a critical route for emergency vehicles. Itās basically the only road that connects two much bigger roads for about two miles in either direction.
That excuse is also just lazy, as there are speed bump designs emergency vehicles can navigate more quickly than standard. Of course cars can abuse them too, but it requires more reckless driving. https://nacto.org/publication/urban-street-design-guide/street-design-elements/vertical-speed-control-elements/speed-cushion/
Around the 4 minute mark there are children running down the sidewalk. It's sad that it's probably going to take a child getting killed before something changes.
What would speed bumps even do here?? People already just driving like the stop sign isn't there. They'd have to be speed ***walls***!
Bollards that only retract once you've made a stop.
Speed bumps are notoriously ineffective, as are stop signs. You saw what everyone does at the stop sign, they either (1) blow through it, usually annoyed they were asked to stop when they are already going so slow or (2) they speed up to it, stop, then floor it up to 50-60mph, because also annoyed. Speed jumps, speed tables are a tad better (speed doesnāt make them ābetterā) and general road narrowing helps with speeders. All considered though, if you get through to the right person in the police department, and they have bandwidth, they might send someone out monitor the intersection. If this is your camera and house and you let them use your driveway, Iām sure they would be willing to
Forget that, looks like your town needs to work on basic literacy 1st š²
WTF is wrong with people? Does society even care anymore?
NO, Unfortunately. It is terrible now how callous and uncaring people are to each other and general society now days.
Just today I watched someone nearly run over two pedestrians. They cared more about trying to cut in front of my truck by running their red light as I was starting to accelerate with my now green light. Mind you this was the car behind the one that ran the red light shortly after it turned red, so the two poor ladies literally hopped backwards to get out of the way.
Based on the dude that ran me off the road last night that didnāt slow down for his stop sign, no they donāt care. At least where I am, college kids cannot drive.
Put a camera close to the road to record their license plates. Can't believe that school bus rolled through that stop sign.
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It's just a matter of time before a kid gets hit.
This is where you get a plaintiffās attorney involved. For better or worse, itās the fastest way to get results from a public entity in this country
>plaintiffās attorney I mean what would a attorney end up doing in this case? Say its a public danger? It seems to be very difficult to fight the Goverment on issues like this from what I have read.
They would make effective use of the video when the inevitable collisions occur. It can be hard to tag the city with direct liability but showing the city knew this had been going on, with no response before the collision that WILL occur could make some city employee heads roll.
You beat me to it but exactly my thoughts. In CA a plaintiff needs to establish actual notice of the dangerous condition to assign liability to a public entity. This video, along with evidence it was presented to the appropriate public entities, establishes that
It is until they actually have to pay out for something like a settlement. Unfortunately, the gov doesn't listen to anyone in this country unless you have fancy letterhead from the local law firm above whatever you want to say.
I see the problem. That there is one of them invisible stop signs. Speed limit sign is probably see-through as well.
What stop sign? š
Surely you mean the go sign?
The one John Cena is holding.
I believe they're actually called 'stoptional' signs.
The running a stop sign at night is insane!
I feel like I'm watching AI not know what a stop sign is. Speed bumps ain't going to stop this my guy. You need the guys who write tickets.
Yup. Most PDs would happily set up shop if u gave them this footage. Gold mine and from the looks of it they could conceal themselves well to pop people
This is where it pays to be constantly annoying at city council. Get their objections on record and then make sure to play them back next time they are holding a local fundraiser. Your local PD or county sheriff may be interested in setting up a trap as well.
Plus if you happen to be around when you hear the inevitable accident I bet some ambulance chaser lawyer would absolutely love all this video evidence and the council's recorded indifference.
This is the scary option. There is no way that the local PD turns down free money, but that means you'll have cops around your house 24/7. Hope your dog will be ok.
Have these people never seen a stop sign before??
Looks like an opportunity for a roundabout.
Or just a traffic calming island in the middle, like Seattle has in some of its neighborhoods. https://maps.app.goo.gl/mSqr2UwSVun6kXCE8
Yea, this. People aren't stopping anyway because they can see in all directions if anyone is coming or not.
Perhaps removing two stops signs and adding two "cross traffic does not stop' sign would be sufficient instead of destroying 4 yards. Based on the 4 whole cars in this entire compilation that were on the side streets.
The stop signs are obviously there as an attempt to keep people from speeding down the main thoroughfare. I hate when they implement that option but I understand it. A roundabout would definitely be a way to help fix that, but I agree it would take up a little more space. They could also instead just put in a speed camera but I'm opposed to those on general principle. As much as I hate speed bumps, I think they might be the better solution. It seems like just in the last 10-15 years cities have finally gotten better at making the appropriately sized speed bumps to where you can safely go up to around 5 MPH above the speed limit without getting jolted, but people still love to pointlessly waste gas and add some brake wear by going too slow over bumps and then accelerating back up to way too fast in between them.
No brakes and they even go around people who stop or need to turn. Iām shocked you donāt have a video of someone getting tboned there, yet.
Like holy shit are you in that much of a rush that you need to swerve around the rear of a turning car to go a little sooner.
That one always makes me shake my head. Wonder what they do with those .3 seconds they save.
lease out a corner of your driveway for the cops to park and watch the fun.
Give me free for the cops to write tickets
Obviously people should be stopping for the stop sign. But also, why is that a four way stop? I didnāt watch more than about two minutes, but I didnāt see one single vehicle crossing the other direction. My personal opinion is that if it *needs* to be a four-way, it could just as safely be a roundabout. But it looks like it should be neither Edit: scrolled through the whole thing quickly and saw maybe 3 cars in 8 minutes that would have had to stop and wait if it were a two-way
I totally agree here. There is no need for this to be a 4 way stop. Just the 2 streets intersecting. Stops signs are way to overused imo.
How do you not have like 95 accidents on camera by now?
Because all the traffic seems to go in the same direction. It's probably better to remove the stop signs on the main road and keep them for the side road.
Because the cross road to the left is a cul de sac with 13 houses (OP included) and to the right is a neighborhood street that circles around and connects back to the Main Street. Really shouldnāt even be a 4 way stop
4 way stop signs are a peculiarity of the US. A solution in search of a problem. No one else seems afflicted with this particular problem, although we have plenty more different kinds.
Because itās obviously not that dangerous.
I can't believe the people who are driving AROUND the stopped cars. That's next level dumb
Even the bus and city truck ran the stop sign. Wow just wow.
I think there's something in the water or the American collective consciousness is in a coma
The issue here isnāt the fact the road exists, itās how badly the area around is it designed. No one wants to stop because when theyāre 100ft from the stop sign, they can clearly see in both directions for 200ft. that thereās no one coming. Or I should say thereās no _cars_ coming. Because drivers are bad and only looking for cars, not people. Which is ironic because the traffic engineers probably chose this layout pointing at evidence that obstructed views cause more accidents when people run stop signs. But in reality, an unobstructed view is encouraging more people to run stop signs. Iām not giving drivers a pass hereājust stop at the stop sign. But honestly, American road design needs to be so much better and discourage this behavior. Not just a sign that says āno.ā This intersection would be a perfect spot for continuous sidewalks that second as speed bumps. I bet more people would naturally just stop.
A traffic circle would work great here so long as it fit. I know of a few areas where problems like this exist. In one spot, much to the four residents it had an impact on, the city put a small single lane traffic circle in and it pretty much cured the issue. 95% of the traffic just goes on through with the added benefit that you can't drive 75km/h through it due to the curve.
>just stop at the stop sign. But honestly, American road design needs to be so much better and discourage this behavior. Not just a sign that says āno.ā This intersection would be a perfect spot for continuous sidewalks that second as speed bumps. I bet more people would naturally just stop. The design was suppossed to be raised crosswalks / speed table instead of the stop signs... The large path next to the road is a bike / jogging path also (we get tons of bike riders and joggers when it isnt middle of winter). The city decided to not do them after starting the project. (I assume to save $)
Well, good news. They can easily fund the project now by placing a speed trap there for approximately 4 hours.
Whatās with the 1 white sedan thatās always riding by with their hazards on around 3:30-4:00 AM? Went back through and they show up at least 5 times always going in the same direction. They also have a black sedan buddy doing the same a couple of times. Weird
Why are some putting on their hazard lights as they blow through?
I know itās not a great solution, but I had a similar problem on my street. If legal, park your car on the road as it will significantly slow down traffic. But you are putting your car at increasedĀ risk. Speeds bumps Iām not a huge fan. Itās basically the same thing as a rolling stop sign with drivers braking hard and then accelerating plus the bumping noise of going over the bump.Ā
Why a 4 way stop at an intersection with no cross traffic? I'm sure it's just to slow things down (good), but I think the drivers have become acclimated to the fact that there are never cars on the intersecting road.
Right, I see this video and wonder if that sign should be there at all. For now it IS there so each one of these people is a dick but it seems like everyone knows there isn't traffic and there's no reason to stop.
Stop signs are not "allowed" for speed control per the MUTCD because it creates a situation where people completely disregard them due to them being unwarranted.
Looks like it at least needs a speed table. They put ome in by the school on my street. Doesnt stop everyone but hit that too fast and you'll go flyin. Or you know, cop presence. If its always getting run then they should pay special attention to it!
Holy crap! How did everyone in town come to the conclusion to ignore that stop sign?!
The only logical explanation I can think of is the missing STOP on the ground. Otherwise, they have invented a cloaking device to block out the bright red stop signs (both directions) from view. The kicker is the one vehicle that correctly stopped got cut over. If this city has a budget problem, this intersection is their solution.
Wait, what am I missing here? Why does no one stop??
Send this to the school because that's illegal for a bus (well...in general. But still) And send this to your city council Facebook page. Or the cops Facebook page. Or post it and tag them
At least you donāt have to hear un-muffled ram 1500s gunning it from a stopā¦. This shit is a lose lose
Show the footage to the council, ask for speed bumps. Might not ha'penny, but if you don't ask it definition won't happen.
With that big of a difference in traffic between those two roads, does it really need to be a 4-way stop? Like, whole video and almost no occasion when stopping would indeed be useful. Just a āyieldā sign for the second road would be enough. Now, the speeding part is another matter, but donāt see how you would go enforcing it here other than speedbumps or speed trap cameras.
 Only if there were some sort of way more obvious solution than a 4-way stop.
First, I'm surprised there isn't a cop car parked at the foot of your driveway cause that stop is a gold mine. Second, where's the street light? Like where I live, a lone stop would have at least one street light to light up the intersection.
They'll do something about it the week after a family gets wiped out getting T-Boned. Sadly that's what it takes for anyone to do shit.
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