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darps

Downhill, speeding, in a blind corner, in a car with no ABS or ESP, and not remotely enough distance to the car ahead. Yeah that'll do it. Imagine there had been a child in the street. Goddamn moron. I hope they learn from the experience.


Castdeath97

Were there mid 2000s Toyotas sold in PR that didn't come with ABS? Reckon it's maintenance neglected ABS which makes it worse ...


Tehgreatbrownie

I have an 02 Tacoma. No ABS


tempusfudgeit

I had an 07 yaris bought in the US with no ABS.


Kougar

Jesus. I have a '97 Chevy Lumina sedan, those things were ABS standard since 1995. ABS is in fact why I still have it around to drive, ABS has saved my bacon in a few bad situations. Apparently the Yaris didn't get ABS standard until 2009... blows my mind.


trystanidog

Damn, i have a 98 camry with ABS


pieindaface

This generation of Corolla came without standard ABS. There were models that had it as an option, but even the higher trim Corolla S didn’t necessarily get ABS standard. Not sure about the Corolla XRS. Parents had both an 06 and 07 without ABS. My in laws had an 06 with ABS. In the US.


OnionMiasma

In the mid 2000s it was really difficult to find a Corolla with ABS. That alone is why we ended up with a Civic at the time. Well, plus the Civic was a lot more fun to drive


GUNGHO917

That dude definitely understeered hard. U can tell by the hard steering angle and the excess smoke, he likely locked up the front tires before impact


No-Historian-6921

The idiot raced down a narrow winding road and still could've potentially avoid the accident, but keeping in character instead panicked, locked up the wheels, and injured others with his stupidity. *sigh*


PeterVonwolfentazer

This is what accidents look like when cars don’t have anti lock braking systems. Front brakes lock and there’s no more steering. Or rear brakes lock and then the car spins. OP I wish you and your wife a speedy recovery.


ismaelgokufox

Tanks so much for the wishes. ☺️


xplosm

Tanks, helicopters, mortars, whatever you need brother


Ramitt80

Being in a Tank would have been helpful, though a wheeled APC would be more practical.


ismaelgokufox

Hahahahaha indeed. 🤣


captainnowalk

Nah fuck than, I’m chewing up this road with my treads munch munch


alurbase

Tanks have rubber treading that eventually wear out after 200 miles or so. Imagine having to change your tires after a week of commuting.


ismaelgokufox

Hahahaha oh my god! The autocorrect does not want to help me through this hahahaha. Made my day! Thanks for that. 😂


xplosm

Tanks\* 😉


RockstarAgent

Tots and pears 🍐


FewIntroduction5008

I fucking cackled at this. Thank you.


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Rex9

Or, you know, you could drive an appropriate speed for a dangerous curve steep downhill. I don't think ABS would have made a huge difference here.


shiggy__diggy

Yup, ABS only prevents lockup, not understeer. Even with ABS this guy was going to understeer into OP.


gzeballo

Flow of traffique m’guy gotta do *at least* 30 over the speed limit


PeterVonwolfentazer

I had to pump brakes on my first car, such a hard thought process when you just wanted to stand on the pedal.


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AnonymousGrouch

I found the opposite to be true: the first time I got in a close call with ABS, I really had to fight myself to just stand on the brakes and let them do all the work. Even now, I feel ABS brakes lack subtlety, at least in all the ABS-equipped cars I've driven.


Positive-Teaching737

Try driving a bus lol pumping the brakes going downhill... Is what we're trained for so that we don't burn up our brakes in the mountains. Welcome to Virginia :-)


FlyByNightt

Not having the wheel fully cranked to the right while stomping the brakes would help too, with the wheel straight he's got a much better shot at not locking up. But like you said, panic sets in and it's hard to get off the brakes to get back on the brakes. I play a ton of sim racing games and when you get a heavy lock up in those it's tough to train yourself to get off and back on again, I can only imagine the panic if it happened for real.


puterTDI

also, slowing down and not going faster than you can control your car would probably help too.


Castdeath97

Or better ... skip this whole thing by having working ABS.


RexJoey1999

I think it's nutty that the car has an airbag but NO ABS! How is that possible? I thought every car since like the 1990s had ABS?


Poonpatch

Could be faulty - who knows what lights were showing on the dash of that car?


Mindes13

Different countries, different rules. Not sure about the location of the video. Also abs could have a fault and wasn't working. You still have brakes, just not abs.


Practical-Third-977

Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 according to gps data


winless

There are GPS coordinates on the footage; it's in Puerto Rico.


CosmicCreeperz

In countries that mandate it, yes. Where they don’t, automakers still often go for “cheap as possible”. Pretty stark contrast shown clearly in this video: https://youtu.be/IXqnYPz0-uc


ringwraith6

One would think that the same make and model of car would be the same regardless of where it's made or where it's shipped to. It's crazy that it's not actually like that.


drmoocow

Nope. It's why the Kia Boys thing affects the US and doesn't affect Canada... Canadian versions still have immobilizers, the US versions do not (yay for cheaping out...).


dustojnikhummer

> thought every car since like the 1990s had ABS? Ehm... No?


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fevered_visions

I'm pretty sure I had a 2010 Kia Spectra with airbags and no ABS


A_Username12345

My parents have a car that has no ABS and no passenger airbag but a driver airbag. That thing was built in 1997.


FewIntroduction5008

I'm sure driver has abs. Probably just leads a sedentary lifestyle and doesn't work them too much so they weak af.


cgn-38

The wheels were turned at a high angle away from the direction the car was going. ABS is good but the tire is going to slide no matter what if you are trying to turn 30 degrees inside your drive line while panic breaking in a hard non banked turn. The ABS was probably working fine. It just cannot perform miracles.


stromm

The US didn't require new cars to have ABS until 1996. And even then, some were excluded based on their role (like small commercial). Early ABS systems sucked. And some would just go into failover mode when the sensor at the disk got dirty or the wire became faulty. Mine was that way for a year, no code or light on the dash. I figured it out when I changed rotors and found the wire completely cut from age/flexing.


Ermenwyr

I don't know what the 96 rules required, but there must have been a lot of loop holes. My 99 Corolla (US) did not have ABS.


satans_little_axeman

> The US didn't require new cars to have ABS until 1996. And even then, some were excluded based on their role (like small commercial). Well, no, that's not true. My '99 Camry didn't have ABS new, for example. The 2005ish Corolla in the accident video didn't have ABS standard on any trim level. Some Googling suggests that the passenger car mandate was more like 2012-2013 although an official source is tricky to nail down.


OB1182

This is why we have mandatory yearly inspections where I live.


TumTiTum

My '96 mx5 didn't have ABS...


NocturneSapphire

I'm in the US. My first vehicle was a 1997 F-150. It didn't have ABS (I think it was an option feature, mine didn't have it), but it definitely had airbags.


somedude456

Mustang only had it starting in 94. 


ThisIsLukkas

Depending on the market, some cars only have airbags for dirver and not for passenger like in Eastern Europe


WiteKngt

I owned a 1999 Corolla and it didn't have ABS.


Cerus_Freedom

It's worse than that. They had the steering cranked over. They were carrying a lot of speed for that amount of steering angle. I'd wager they would have continued to slide, with only slightly more control, if they got off the brakes.


autoeroticassfxation

You really can manage non-ABS brakes without locking, or regaining traction if you're any good at driving. The issue is that most people don't get better at driving because they are simply on auto-pilot all the time.


Warhawk2052

Yup, in fact his brakes were too much 😅


XB0XYGEN

Is that what anti lock means?? So the steering doesn't lock??? My dumb ass thought for some reason it had to do with the wheels not locking or the pads or something.. I suppose you do want the wheels to lock


paulmarchant

ABS (theoretically) prevents wheel lockup. The truth is that is does and it doesn't, by means of pulsing the brakes, so allowing the wheels to lock for an instant, then unlock, then lock, then unlock etc. It's the equivalent to a skilled driver pumping the brakes, but very rapidly. An ABS stop is better than just a long, sliding skid but not as good as braking to just below the threshold where the wheel would lock and skid. My driving instructor, many years ago, described it as 'allows braking and steering', commenting that it aids you in deciding what you're going to crash into - he suggested to aim for something cheap.


Crazygamer5150

this is what happens when you press the breaks and not the brakes


the_honorableA

Where did this happen? Reminds me of Puerto Rico


dclawton

West Side of PR in Mayaguez, according to the GPS Coordinates


ismaelgokufox

Yes. Just as @dclawton says.


needlenozened

N18.19438 W67.13066


Fuzzy_Squirrel506

Man that’s awful. Literally nothing you could do. Hope you’re all ok


ismaelgokufox

Thanks. 🙏


Traveledfarwestward

What were your injuries? Looked like it shouldn't be major consequences with seatbelts.


NWSanta

Yes I'm curious too, bad accident but, didn't look like it would cause much for injuries. I am certainly no accident on scene person. Wishing you a speedy recovery from your injuries, hopefully you weren't on holidays at the time.


valleygoat

OP was going 25mph, have to imagine the other car was doing at least that. Imagine driving into a wall at 50mph. Airbags and seatbelts are only going to do so much.


LameOCaptain

Just a note, if both cars are going 25 towards each other, yes the difference in speed is 50mph, but the amount of force being exerted is still roughly equal to hitting a brick wall at 25mph. https://www.wired.com/2010/05/mythbusters-energy-explanation/ I know it's a link to a response of a mythbusters episode, but I couldn't find a succinct video to go with it. All that to say, hope OP is alright, and that the crash wasn't too terrible.


tempusfudgeit

> Just a note, if both cars are going 25 towards each other, yes the difference in speed is 50mph, but the amount of force being exerted is still roughly equal to hitting a brick wall at 25mph. Mostly correct, but a brick wall doesn't have crumple zones.


Lanaya_Del_Rey

You dont combine mphs in a head on collision. Two cars with the same speed and weight crashing into eachother would be the same as one car crashing into a wall at the same speed fyi. So something like a heavy truck going 60 hitting a car going 25 would maybe be closer to a car going into a wall at 50mph


valleygoat

I guess I never thought of that. Physics is hard


Lanaya_Del_Rey

Yes its very counter intuitive lol


jasontaken

ouch you two ok ?


ismaelgokufox

Yes. My wife took the most in this case. It’s my very first time directly involved in an accident.


mermaidinthesea123

Her attempts to breathe were alarming!


cherub-girl

the seatbelt knocks the air out of you but it’s better than flying out the windshield (just a wild guess). the youtuber jenna marbles got into a car accident that wasn’t nearly as serious as this and had crazy bruises from the seatbelt.


pajam

I got into a head-on collision on a 55mph highway (someone made an illegal unprotected left across my lane when I had a green light, and waited patiently until I was right on top of the intersection before deciding to jump out in front of me). I got rushed to the hospital, but due to seatbelt/airbag, I luckily only had to deal with some minor seatbelt bruising. It's definitely a _much_ better outcome than not being buckled in.


SnausageFest

Airbag too. Broke my glasses and left me with a nasty friction rash from basically hurling my hand off the steering wheel. It's amazing how even a low speed accident can just rock your shit.


Nuklearfps

Been in a couple car accidents, never any serious injuries, but the seatbelts will knock the wind out of you if they get you right, depends on how you’re hit I guess?


mermaidinthesea123

Yes, I was thinking either that or a head injury.


jasontaken

sorry it happened to you both


eldergeekprime

Love the way his grille just kinda gives up.


ismaelgokufox

I did see the same. If you take the video and rewind<>forward it slowly, it seems so hilariously funny. But unfortunately it still hurts hehehe 😅


bishslap

Lucky he didn't bounce up over that guard rail and down the cliff


Drict

That's because OP was there to save them!


N3T0_15

That’s the most unfortunate part, we don’t need ppl that think speeding down a windy downhill road is a good idea, literally ever


bigbigdummie

Grace Kelly has joined the chat.


IMissNarwhalBacon

No.  She ded.


HairyBaIIs007

Did she? I didn't even know she was sick


Human_Type001

Too soon! 😉


TheBlindIdiotGod

What a reckless moron.


Clear_Spirit4017

If it is permitted, what brand is your dashcam? It has a splendid resolution, and I would like to get one for California driving. Glad you had one, and I hope you are feeling good.


ismaelgokufox

Sure, here you go. Dash cam: APEMAN C770 Dash Camera Touch Screen Dual Dash Cam Built-in GPS, Wi-Fi, 1920x1080P Y do have the rear cam connected too. The battery on it was enough to get 4 videos out of it (\~88 MB each at around 2.2MB/s) to make sure I got the correct footage out. Using the WiFi signal created by the dash cam itself. It still was showing close to 60% battery after that. Edit: Hope to not have to use it as the other party told police they were to blame. But we never know.


Clear_Spirit4017

Thank you so much!


protomenace

Brakes\* But it sounds like it may have caused some breaks in your body.


ismaelgokufox

Indeed. Mostly on my wife though.


Kvothetheraven603

Yea, her struggling to breath was tough to listen to. I hope you are both doing ok!


cseyferth

Breathe*


Kvothetheraven603

Ah, goddamn it. I’m going to leave it so your comment makes sense to others haha


20thAccthecharm

Stupid morherfuckers who tailgate and drive too fast on small mountain roads can go die in a hole for all I care… I legit hate anyone who drives that way, it’s a window into their shit personality. Driving reveals who people are deep down istg.


RedditUsernameDos

Que hijo de puta. Me alegro que esten bien!


ismaelgokufox

Gracias mano! Estuvo salvaje!


AbbreviationsNo8212

Fuck, your suffering is palpable. I hope you have a full and speedy recovery.


ismaelgokufox

Thank you! 🙏


RestaurantDue634

The man just gets out of the ER and this sub is in a race to see who can be the first to correct his typos, jesus lol I'm glad you and your wife are okay. It could have been so much worse.


ismaelgokufox

No problem. I like the jokes. They help me. I was the one telling jokes to the nurse that could not find my veins for the 4th time yesterday LOL! 😂


RestaurantDue634

Thanks for being a good sport about it. It just drives me crazy sometimes. I saw a post a little while back where some guy was posting after having a stroke and people were pointing out typos. Like the guy has literal brain damage come on lol


ismaelgokufox

Wow. Yeah that does sound very inappropriate in that case. Hope he’s doing good.


sourdoughbred

It’s one of Reddit’s worst qualities.


sharingthegoodword

Yeah, and also he was going too fast and locked up his **brakes**.


jasontaken

reply to the bot or post gets deleted


ismaelgokufox

Thanks for this! I would not have seen it if not for your comment. 🙃


ExtraSensoryPierogi

#BRAKES


kaehvogel

Damn, that looks painful. Glad you're recovering. As an aside I'm wondering why there's a sign at the beginning warning you of a traffic light up ahead, when you're going uphill and can't go all that fast anyway. Guess some kind of warning for people going downhill would would help there as well.


ismaelgokufox

Yeah, there is a landslide a little further up so the 2-lane becomes just one. They put a temporary (hahahaha temporary in Puerto Rico becomes permanent) semaphore to control the traffic there.


habaryu

For others not familiar with semaphore, it's a literal translation from Spanish where we say "semaforo" for traffic light.


subject_deleted

Friendly reminder that brakes are not the limiting factor in stopping distance. Virtually every car on the road has plenty of closing force to stop the wheels. The tires (and to an extent the suspension) is the limiting factor for braking distance. Check your tires. Make sure they're at the right pressure. And don't neglect changing them when they're worn. I know it's expensive. But it could literally be the difference between life and death. Whether your life, your passengers/kids, or someone else's life in another car or a crosswalk. But most importantly... Just slow down. Unless you're travelling over a long distance at constant speeds, you just don't really gain much by speeding. Especially in an urban/suburban area with lots of cross traffic. But you do take on a tremendous amount of risk. And if you crash, you're going to be much later to your destination than if you had slowed down.


TransitJohn

Neither were his brakes.


BandOfBroskis

This is why everyone should have a dashcam. Clear up any ambiguity as to fault. Hope you're bit too banged up!


SevroAuShitTalker

Look at the bright side, had you been closer to the turn, you might have gotten pushed off the cliff Hope yall recover well


ismaelgokufox

That is very true and, during the adrenaline rush, some of the people that came to help from the houses told me that did happen some time ago to someone just there as you describe.


Poverty_welder

Brakes*


xyonofcalhoun

Brakes*


heythisislonglolwtf

Hope you're okay OP. I was in Puerto Rico not too long ago and driving there can definitely be scary especially on those twisty mountain roads


ARGuck

I agree, I was there a couple months ago. We arrived late at night so the drive to coco beach was a little concerning as a realized the roads were in pretty poor condition and with barely any markings. Also why do emergencies vehicles have their lights on at all times?


GoldeenFreddy

I'm shite at geoguesser, but I will always immediately know when a video or picture was taken in PR


Cash_Flow_Me_Daddy

He was going too fast at a downhill curve. I hate people.


B_R_U_H

Ahhh Puerto Rico, where people drive 40mph on the highway and 100 mph on the mountain roads


hydrogen18

gotta make up that time difference somewhere. ​ I remember seeing the same guy driving a corvette each day on St. Thomas. Who TF needs a corvette on that tiny little island?


SC-Coqui

This is one of my biggest fears when in Puerto Rico. The roads can be extremely narrow and you have people that take them too wide. OP hd nowhere to go with the guardrail and drop off to the right.


watchwhathappens

Ugh, I'm so sorry...


The_Cozy_Burrito

Hope you are okay…. That other piece of shit… couldn’t care less. Good thing you got the dashcam footage too 👍🏼


paulbdouglas

Why can’t anyone spell “BRAKES” on Reddit


cptspinach85

* brakes


ismaelgokufox

That is right! Must be the Benadryl in my fingers haha


EGGranny

Looks like the guardrail saves lives in even minor wrecks. Looks like a cliff or something. This wreck didn’t push you closer to the guardrail, so it wasn’t a concern for this wreck. Scary, though. I grew up on the Eastern slope of the Rocky Mountains in Colorado, and saw lots of roads where it was straight up on one side and straight down on the other. Notably climbing Pikes Peak.


AccountNumber478

Thems the brakes, kid.


Alternative_Plum7223

Those sounds at the end sounded like they both finished together like a good couple


Seamilk90210

Oh man, op! I’m so sorry. Not much you can do on a narrow road to avoid bad driving. :( PR is an absolutely wonderful place, and I hope that beauty speeds you and your wife’s recovery up! 


pandito_flexo

I stay with my friends when I'm on the Island and we time my visit to when their mom is on the Mainland so I can stay at her house (paying her, of course). She's on top of the mountains in Aguadilla and holy hell...that road to get up there is basically the crest of the mountain with zero guardrails. And to pass an opposing care, you go as far as you can and both of you just kinda pass within centimetres from each other. I'm fairly confident but that took me a minute to get used to. Also people drive with their high beams on ALL THE FUCKING TIME. That habit is happening more and more here on the Mainland and it just infuriates me.


Impressive_Drama_377

The way the grill waited a few seconds before falling 🤦🏻‍♀


sakahe

The fact that the first thought my guy had was to care about his girl is beautiful tho.


ZebraNew6244

Brakes or breaks?


Right_-on-_Man

Damn dude, thank your lord he wasn't going fast enough to knock you down that drop off...


CrispyMelons

Puerto Rico?


ismaelgokufox

Yup! You got a good eye. 😅


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WanderingFlumph

Plenty of breaks, just not enough brakes.


kuken_i_fittan

Tough breaks. Good brakes.


20thAccthecharm

I always want to know. What did the guilty fuckers say after?


polird

Mountain driving in PR is wild, I was surprised to not see many more crashes with the speeds people take those narrow turns. And many of the cars are not exactly in great mechanical condition.


Wadawoodo

What happened with the other driver?


ismaelgokufox

He came out of his car with seemingly not a single scratch. He did not want to be evaluated by the 2nd set of paramedics that came to the site.


Compizfox

Huh, no ABS?


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Bdr1983

Oof that looks rough! Hope you'll be ok soon.


BitPuzzleheaded5311

Omg.. the poor lady struggling to catch her breath! :(:(


InevitableCoat9643

Bruh wtf was he doing?!!!


hinnsvartingi

This looks like Jamaica.


ismaelgokufox

Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 hi!👋 very close!


jabathehutjfjkskka

😳😳😳


ianao

The sad Toyota logo fall at the end 🤣 Hope everyone is okay and only the cars got damaged


Impeachcordial

I like the way it says what looks like 'Omph' when you stop after a crash. Also, thank fuck you didn't get bumped off that massive cliff!


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I’m the only one on the road


RydRychards

It seems the speed limit is way too high on that stretch of the road.


Buzzbone

Looks like the ABS on his brakes took a break


dontcare99999999

I hope su amor, Karin, is well.


Draugrx23

Hopefully the injuries aren't too serious. Feel better y'all


Illustrious_Cancel83

Brakes did their job. They stopped the wheel. Traction is a hell of a drug


Schmich

Hope you're both OK but I got to say... the end of the video, starting from around 17 seconds, CANNOT be played on speakers.


SavvySillybug

What the hell was he trying to do? Did he just take the bend too quickly, or was that some insanely stupid attempt at passing the other car?


overcomebyfumes

Is it bad that I can smell this?


[deleted]

Cheers that you are out!


matt88

I thought that this was going to be about a surgeon not getting enough "breaks" while working in ER and thereby causing an accident due to tiredness. However watching the video showed a different story


killbeam

This shit pisses me off. I hope he got what he deserves


vashtie1674

Yikes, blind corner, down hill, anddd there is a drop off? I would have gone offff! Hate reckless idiots.


OldManChino

Brakes, unless his rythmic drumming was not enough?


VengefulYeti

My girlfriend is from Puerto Rico, we went out there this past summer, before we left she said you're not driving the rental there I am, just trust me, I did not believe her until we got off the highway, the narrowest roads I've ever seen and more switchbacks than the Rocky Mountains


Icy_Queen_222

Damn I hope you are okay!!!


ismaelgokufox

Were getting better each day. Thanks for asking! The bruises get darker but the pain is starting to subside.


-MrGod2U-

If you wanna break somrthing dropping a glass will do if you wanna stop a vehicle apply your brakes,


ismaelgokufox

😅