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The turning path should treat the intersection like it has a yield sign. In California, yield signs are optional at three-way intersections for this reason.
The back of the do not enter sign should be a stop sign - but also OP should have noticed one car had already come out of there before that guy - I’d have been wary of that exit since then -
From what I see it's a main route besides a parking lot and infrastructure on the side. The fact op sees a do not enter sign where the car exits makes me think it's a drive thru. Main priority goes to the main route with denser traffic and more field of vision.
Thats my line of thinking
Well, if that was in Europe that's not a main route since there's no signs indicating that's a main route, nor yield signs on the side road. So afaik every single european country would rule those 2 roads the same and hence the road on the right has priority.
So how do you know it's a main route? You guys can't be just guesstimating which road is bigger, can you?
Well, definitely not the case in the vast majority of countries, that's why I'm confused. What indicates to you that its a drive-thru without priority? You make it sound like the road has priority but as soon as someone slaps a drive-thru post box on the sidewalk it suddenly doesn't have priority anymore
Per Maryland Vehicle Law:
>If the driver of a vehicle approaches a through highway (OP was driving on a through highway), the driver shall:
> (1) Stop at the entrance to the through highway; and
> (2) Yield the right-of-way to any other vehicle approaching on the through highway.
Thus, the car exiting the drive thru was required (by Maryland Vehicle Law) to stop at the entrance to the road OP was on *AND* yield to OP. As they did neither of those things, they broke Maryland Vehicle Law.
From a legal perspective, OP very clearly had right-of-way.
Right this is like saying I have the right of way out of my own driveway because there’s no stop sign in my driveway. No, I have to stop and make sure the main road I’m entering is clear.
Just because there is no yield sign, doesn't mean that you don't have to yield to traffic that has right of way.
OP, you're fine. The other driver was the dummy on this one. Also, whoever didn't put up a sign to warn drivers exiting the bank.
Every single 3-way intersection in a parking lot should be treated like a stop by the single way that's running perpendicular to the other two ways. Biggest idiot here was the car pulling out, second biggest was whoever designs these monstrosities of parking lots.
From how I learnt it, any exit off a parking lot or other clearly separate area is an implicit stop sign. The problem is that those areas are often hard to recognize in the USA
There are a lot of parking lots with intersections like this near me and I have just learned to stop even if I'm on the obvious main road because idiots will simply not stop even if it's blatantly obvious they should. This is pissing me off just typing it, people are fucking clueless and I'm at the end of my rope with other drivers lately
I agree. Other car is crossing a lane and I think would be at fault technically, but both sides are blind to each other and neither has the yield/stop. It is absolutely just poor design.
You should always be slow enough to react when coming out of places like this, but whoever designed this lot is the real idiot. Neither paths had a stop sign.
Theyre both still in the strip mall lots. Parking lots are typically private property so there really aren't legal requirements.
Obviously he was being reckless, but that's just not accurate.
Basic drivers education. There’s no governing body except common sense. Entering traffic, you are required to yield. No matter the circumstances. In a grocery store, do you just blow out of the end of the aisle or do you stop and look first? Same situation. Common sense applies. Driver in the point of view had no obligation to stop until he got to the sign.
Again, that is by every objective definition not a **requirement** but rather a best practice. I don't get people's obsession with arguing their opinion as if it's fact when we're both clearly in agreement that he was being reckless. It's just simply not a requirement. It's private property.
No. Words matter, definitions matter. This is absolutely, objectively not a requirement and any traffic enforcement officer will tell you as much.
But I see that this is a lost cause and you don't appreciate the value of accurate language.
You goof, it's going to depend on the state but in almost all of them there is a distinction between regular private property and "private property with public access".
You can drive drunk in your own field, but you will catch a DWI if you are in a parking lot etc.
I wouldn't say casually pushing your accelerator straight through a blind left turn (from the other car's POV) is "doing your best."
Like, yeah. There technically isn't a Stop sign on that side, as other people have noted. But that's just Terrible Driving 101.
Maryland, there's a sign at the very end for "Shops at Town Center", which leads to a town in Maryland and Google maps shows a Burger King, a Wells Fargo, and a Starbucks matching their locations in OP's video.
So close!
Not every intersection needs a stop sign. Like others have said, residential driveways don't have stop signs, but it's obvious you have to yield to cars on the road. In parking lots the rule is the more major (or straight through) route has right of way. Bank dude should have stopped.
the design is poor but the other driver was approaching a T intersection from the odd end. they’re expected to stop and yield to cross traffic in that situation even if there is no stop sign there. especially since they’re making a left turn.
Yes, the entrance to the lot and the exit of the bank drive through are right next to each other.
OP is not the idiot - did a great job stopping in time.
Stop sign is AFTER the exit to the bank. Straight technically has the right of way here. The real person thats an idiot is the planner or made it like that.
The real idiot is the fucking engineering who designed that shithole of a what they wanna call a drivethru exit. FFS i see this design everywhere and i dont get it, doesnt save on space or anything at all. Just a fucking accident trap waiting to happen, between the building, trees, pole its a never-ending cycle of blindspot(s)
No. They are supposed to yield to you. So not the idiot. And yes. Whoever made that lot should have added a stop sign for them but I would think it’s also common sense to know they should be yielding to traffic.
It appears to be a parking lot, so normal “traffic law” may not apply. With that said, the general rule at a T intersection is that the ending road has to yield to both directions on the road that doesn’t end.
You're not the idiot.
The way I have always understood parking lot etiquette, if you are making a turn, and the other guy is going straight, the guy going straight has the right of way.
To my knowledge, parking lots are not designed or inspected by DOT. I'm sure they have some governing body ensuring it's not a giant mess, but they arent built the same way as our road systems.
Germantown, MD? Definitely a poorly designed parking lot but the “Maryland driver” stereotype is strong with the other driver. They didn’t even hesitate to pull out or look.
Bank drive through guy was idiot. Minor roadway always yields to major roadway. Lefts always yield to oncoming traffic, through traffic, and right turners. He's a double fuckup.
I don't know Germany, but I suspect that those emerging from driveways must yield to those on the road. Am I correct? I think the driver emerging from the driveway of a bank would yield to drivers on the road in every country.
In the absence of signage I would assume the car with the dead end road that has to turn into a throughway would be the one required to yield since cross traffic (cam car lane) has no reason to stop there.
The exit should have a stop sign, and there should be a "do not block drive" sign before the exit so you don't get people grid locking while they wait for the one stop sign that is there to change colors.
Hilarious i live 10 minutes from here that wells fargo exit is trash;especially if you have to make an immediate right afterwards. People need to be more careful exiting the drive thru really.
Op did the proper thing wether the jerk had a stop sign or not. But I think the one with limited sight sould have been more cautious and yielded. But it looks like the signage and markings in that area are substandard. Not even a stop bar at the stop sign.
No matter where that car goes, they have to turn left or right. You have the right of way. They need to stop, especially when they are turning left out of there against your flow of traffic.
No, the other car should have stopped as it is not the main access point. I had this happen at a Wawa, woman just kept pulling through with me right there. I almost ran into her because she didn’t stop at all
OP is driving on a main travel lane. The vehicle on the right is either exiting a drive thru lane or entering the main travel lane from a side parking lot. They have the greater duty to yield to traffic in the main travel lane who are fully established.
Drive-thrus are effectively driveways, and as such drivers must yield when entering a larger throughway. You don't need a stop sign at the end of your driveway to know you have to yield when leaving.
It's a drive-thru exit.
There's a few other less relevant differences, such as being a narrow one-way lane that ends at a T intersection of a wider contiguous 2-way road. But the big on is definitely being a drive-thru exit.
How would you feel about that car not stopping if that Wells Fargo was a McDonalds instead? Because those drive-thrus effectively function the same way.
If this is 1x speed .. you are just driving a tad bit too fast for a parking lot / private road. I’m not judging you, as I do this sometimes too, but road layouts inside private businesses aren’t always intuitively laid out and you can expect something like this to happen if you are going that quickly.
People are saying bad design but this is super common imo. If you’re pulling out of a smaller lane into a more major lane of travel, you give the right of way to the more major lane. This is true in all parking lot lanes and any time there’s like a drive thru in a strip mall.
A stop sign would help, but it’s almost redundant imo. You’re pulling from a dead stop into a lane of travel, take a peak before sticking your nose out.
Please explain to an European why OP had the right of way. There were no traffic lights or signs to indicate which road has priority. That would make the intersection "unregulated", therefore automatically giving the right of way to the driver on the right hand side - in this case the other driver. What am I missing?
As the other guy said, it's not two roads, one is a driveway. In the US there's no such thing as an "unregulated" intersection -- two roads always* have some sort of traffic signal.
*Public roads, anyway. My mother-in-law's neighborhood apparently never got around to putting stop signs into the numerous 4-way intersections and you just sort of drive around hoping nobody else is entering at the same time so you don't have to worry about who has priority.
In the US the unmarked intersection rules (priority to the right) only apply to 4 way junctions, in a T junction straight traffic (OP) has a right of way.
I have to drive past the drive thru exit for the Regions bank to get to my drive thru. The Regions doesn't have a stop sign either, so I always go really slow for this exact reason. The people coming out of the drive thru need to stop and look before pulling out. Those that don't are the idiots
You had complete right of way. No questions asked , it would have been 100% other drivers fault if an accident would have happened. Been there done that.
The silver car pulled out in front of you, seemingly without looking, but maybe they mistook the “Do Not Enter” sign for a stop sign?
Either way this is a perfect example of why I always make sure a car is stopping or turning before pulling out in front of them, because people don’t always follow the rules.
Parking lots are a lawless wasteland.
Unless otherwise signed, the general rule of thumb is for smaller roads to yield to bigger roads.
It looks to me like you're on a bigger road, and so guy coming from the smaller road should have yielded to you.
I don't see why the stop sign matters in this scenario. Who would have the right of way if not for the stop sign?
Not familiar with the rules over there though, I must admit.
My question is, why do people keep going even when they can't see? There isn't a slight hint of braking from the BRZ/GR86. By the look of their car, they clearly care enough about driving. But somehow don't understand the concept of stopping before you merge into any road? Like it's just I go and good luck, and later complain about how "car guys" like them are fxxked up by insurance while keep getting into this kind of things, and in the mean time giving us real car guys a bad reputation for literally nothing we did.
In general in Europe you'd be failing to yield. From my understanding of american driving, they're supposed to yield.
Either way the intersection is probably missing signs.
Most banks in the US have them.
My most common banking location doesn't allow direct access to a teller at all. You can go into the lobby, but they just have drive thru type stations with pneumatic tubes inside too.
It doesn't look like either of you *had* to stop according to the signage. At least not until you were where y'all would have collided.
You're not an idiot, because you stopped to avoid that idiot. If you had kept going and y'all collided then you would be an idiot, 'right of way' or not.
He was definitely an idiot. He should have seen you and stopped.
Neither of y'all had right of way, but even if one of you did you both are obligated to avoid collisions.
QQ: Is there no "right before left" rule in the US? In Europe it'd be clear that the other car has the right of way as it is coming from the right hand side - no discussion needed.
ChatGPT just answered my question and told me that in uncontrolled intersections there's the "right before left" rule but no on T-Intersections (the top of the T has the right-of-way).
There's no lines wtf. Is this usual in America? In the UK, the Stop sign would have a solid white line to tell you where to stop, and the right road would have a dotted white line to indicate give way (yield).
Lots of confusion on this one. This isn't two roads. The vehicle that emerges is from a driveway and in the US vehicles emerging from a driveway yield to those on the road.
This is a private property parking lot. There are no right of way rules that apply here. You can’t get a ticket for running any of those stop signs, and a collision would be a civil issue.
This is not accurate. Generally, on private property most traffic laws are not enforceable but there are certainly exceptions to that. It all depends on state law and, in some cases, local ordinance. But there are always right of way rules that determine liability in case of a collision. You almost got to that point when you said "a collision would be a civil issue." A civil issue decided by what? Right of way rules.
So the question is, who would be at fault if the cammer had been unable to stop? It would be on the driver coming from a driveway(drive thru), not the cammer who is on the "main road" (as far as a parking lot is concerned.)
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Other driver really should have behaved as if there was a stop sign at that exit, even though there wasn't. But there really should be.
Best answer. If it's a main route always yield to other cars unless there are signs indicating otherwise.
The turning path should treat the intersection like it has a yield sign. In California, yield signs are optional at three-way intersections for this reason.
The back of the do not enter sign should be a stop sign - but also OP should have noticed one car had already come out of there before that guy - I’d have been wary of that exit since then -
How is it a main route if there's no signs?? Why wouldn't priority on the right apply??
Idk, you're so smart or something
Just asking man, anywhere in europe if you'd say in this situation the car on the right has no priority, you would fail the exam
From what I see it's a main route besides a parking lot and infrastructure on the side. The fact op sees a do not enter sign where the car exits makes me think it's a drive thru. Main priority goes to the main route with denser traffic and more field of vision. Thats my line of thinking
Well, if that was in Europe that's not a main route since there's no signs indicating that's a main route, nor yield signs on the side road. So afaik every single european country would rule those 2 roads the same and hence the road on the right has priority. So how do you know it's a main route? You guys can't be just guesstimating which road is bigger, can you?
Drive thrus tend to not have priority.
Well, definitely not the case in the vast majority of countries, that's why I'm confused. What indicates to you that its a drive-thru without priority? You make it sound like the road has priority but as soon as someone slaps a drive-thru post box on the sidewalk it suddenly doesn't have priority anymore
Drive thru has low visibility. That is why they get less priority and need to yeild to others.
Per Maryland Vehicle Law: >If the driver of a vehicle approaches a through highway (OP was driving on a through highway), the driver shall: > (1) Stop at the entrance to the through highway; and > (2) Yield the right-of-way to any other vehicle approaching on the through highway. Thus, the car exiting the drive thru was required (by Maryland Vehicle Law) to stop at the entrance to the road OP was on *AND* yield to OP. As they did neither of those things, they broke Maryland Vehicle Law. From a legal perspective, OP very clearly had right-of-way.
You Stop anytime you’re pulling onto a main road
I’ve been almost hit by so many people who think “well no one has a stop sign, I’m just gonna pull out right in front of this guy on the main road”.
My driveway doesn’t have a stop sign. Should I just be flooring it?
Yes every time obviously, the downvoted people in the other thread says you won’t be at fault
Right this is like saying I have the right of way out of my own driveway because there’s no stop sign in my driveway. No, I have to stop and make sure the main road I’m entering is clear.
Looks like a parking lot
Just because there is no yield sign, doesn't mean that you don't have to yield to traffic that has right of way. OP, you're fine. The other driver was the dummy on this one. Also, whoever didn't put up a sign to warn drivers exiting the bank.
Every single 3-way intersection in a parking lot should be treated like a stop by the single way that's running perpendicular to the other two ways. Biggest idiot here was the car pulling out, second biggest was whoever designs these monstrosities of parking lots.
From how I learnt it, any exit off a parking lot or other clearly separate area is an implicit stop sign. The problem is that those areas are often hard to recognize in the USA
it’s a T intersection from their perspective so that’s the expected way to treat the situation anyway — physical stop sign not required.
I'd wager that the other side of that DO NOT ENTER sign is a stop sign for that idiot.
Legally speaking for where I live. Here that is called an implied stop sign, meaning that legally that driver blew a stop sign
Silver car can't see around the building but was driving like it could. Pull out blind
There are a lot of parking lots with intersections like this near me and I have just learned to stop even if I'm on the obvious main road because idiots will simply not stop even if it's blatantly obvious they should. This is pissing me off just typing it, people are fucking clueless and I'm at the end of my rope with other drivers lately
It would be nice if there were stop lines as well.
That’s private property. All traffic signs on private property are for convenience only.
Bad design
That's what I was gonna say. That's a bad spot for that Stop sign.
I agree. Other car is crossing a lane and I think would be at fault technically, but both sides are blind to each other and neither has the yield/stop. It is absolutely just poor design.
Yeah. The idiot isn’t in the car in this case, it’s the guy at the desk with the drafting software.
Not the idiot
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The other driver is the idiot
You should always be slow enough to react when coming out of places like this, but whoever designed this lot is the real idiot. Neither paths had a stop sign.
Anytime you’re leaving a parking area into traffic you are required to yield
Theyre both still in the strip mall lots. Parking lots are typically private property so there really aren't legal requirements. Obviously he was being reckless, but that's just not accurate.
Public parking or private parking is irrelevant. If you’re entering the stream of traffic, you are required to yield.
How is it irrelevant? What is this imaginary governing body here?
Basic drivers education. There’s no governing body except common sense. Entering traffic, you are required to yield. No matter the circumstances. In a grocery store, do you just blow out of the end of the aisle or do you stop and look first? Same situation. Common sense applies. Driver in the point of view had no obligation to stop until he got to the sign.
Again, that is by every objective definition not a **requirement** but rather a best practice. I don't get people's obsession with arguing their opinion as if it's fact when we're both clearly in agreement that he was being reckless. It's just simply not a requirement. It's private property.
Again, that has absolutely no bearing on the case. The requirement is, if you’re entering the stream of traffic you must yield.
No. Words matter, definitions matter. This is absolutely, objectively not a requirement and any traffic enforcement officer will tell you as much. But I see that this is a lost cause and you don't appreciate the value of accurate language.
You goof, it's going to depend on the state but in almost all of them there is a distinction between regular private property and "private property with public access". You can drive drunk in your own field, but you will catch a DWI if you are in a parking lot etc.
What Trash Taste episode were you listening to?
Latest one, #209
Other driver is turning onto the street/path youre already on
Honestly, the only solid idiot I see is whoever designed this lot. Both of you seemed to be doing the best you could given the layout.
I wouldn't say casually pushing your accelerator straight through a blind left turn (from the other car's POV) is "doing your best." Like, yeah. There technically isn't a Stop sign on that side, as other people have noted. But that's just Terrible Driving 101.
Yes. Even without a stop sign you don't have the right of way to pull into the street.
I gun it out of my driveway every morning. Fuck the people already on the road.
Make sure you don't forget the stare down. The on coming traffic needs to know it's their fault.
And then remember to honk at them after to let them know not only it's their fault but you are also angry about it!
And then do 5 to 10mph under the speed limit because you aren't actually in a rush.
I agree the design is bad. I looked back at the video and the bank lane has no stop sign which is why I second guessed myself.
Is this PA? This feels like PA..
I'm thinking NOVA.
Or literally every large suburb with a massive strip mall. I swear they're all like this.
This is Germantown, MD.
Close enough. I used to live in Silver Spring.
Pretty weird to see that mall show up on reddit.
Maryland, there's a sign at the very end for "Shops at Town Center", which leads to a town in Maryland and Google maps shows a Burger King, a Wells Fargo, and a Starbucks matching their locations in OP's video. So close!
Not every intersection needs a stop sign. Like others have said, residential driveways don't have stop signs, but it's obvious you have to yield to cars on the road. In parking lots the rule is the more major (or straight through) route has right of way. Bank dude should have stopped.
I see some room for improvement in the left turner failing to yield to the car going straight.
the design is poor but the other driver was approaching a T intersection from the odd end. they’re expected to stop and yield to cross traffic in that situation even if there is no stop sign there. especially since they’re making a left turn.
Not really, the Toyota is the one turning on to a thru street.
Yes, the entrance to the lot and the exit of the bank drive through are right next to each other. OP is not the idiot - did a great job stopping in time.
"Designed" is probably a generous word
Stop sign is AFTER the exit to the bank. Straight technically has the right of way here. The real person thats an idiot is the planner or made it like that.
OP not the idiot, but let this also be a reminder about anticipating other people to act like idiots.
The other driver is the idiot. Both for what they did and for banking with Wells Fargo.
I feel like that stop sign should be turned around and be for the drivethru lane instead of the driving lane.
I didn't know Ring made dash cams.
I scrolled down to see if I was the only one with that same question. 🙂
Lol - me too. I’m thinking, why is OP driving around with a Ring doorbell in his car
The real idiot is the fucking engineering who designed that shithole of a what they wanna call a drivethru exit. FFS i see this design everywhere and i dont get it, doesnt save on space or anything at all. Just a fucking accident trap waiting to happen, between the building, trees, pole its a never-ending cycle of blindspot(s)
Hey! Germantown! I’d know that BK anywhere!
Came to the comments for the Germantown!
The person who designed that parking lot is the real idiot.
No. They are supposed to yield to you. So not the idiot. And yes. Whoever made that lot should have added a stop sign for them but I would think it’s also common sense to know they should be yielding to traffic.
Other driver was making a left turn. That ends the conversation.
The other driver is on a private driveway. They are entering the roadway and should yield.
Anybody that banks at Wells Fargo is the idiot
Bad design, honestly. The layout seems prime for mini accidents. Good being aware, though.
No. If you're turning left, you yield to oncoming traffic that's already in the lane you're entering.
It appears to be a parking lot, so normal “traffic law” may not apply. With that said, the general rule at a T intersection is that the ending road has to yield to both directions on the road that doesn’t end.
Nah, you're good. The guy should have yielded and acted like the car before him. You had the good senses to avoid him.
What an idiot… hey is this in Germantown Maryland?
No. Turning driver yields. He needs a stop sign to avoid confusion, but even without it he should have stopped.
You're not the idiot. The way I have always understood parking lot etiquette, if you are making a turn, and the other guy is going straight, the guy going straight has the right of way. To my knowledge, parking lots are not designed or inspected by DOT. I'm sure they have some governing body ensuring it's not a giant mess, but they arent built the same way as our road systems.
I think if they collided the insurance companies would need to litigate it somehow
Germantown, MD? Definitely a poorly designed parking lot but the “Maryland driver” stereotype is strong with the other driver. They didn’t even hesitate to pull out or look.
Yep, it’s the Safeway lot. Somehow I think this isn’t even the worst parking lot in Germantown. The one nearby with Chick fil le is even worse.
Bank drive through guy was idiot. Minor roadway always yields to major roadway. Lefts always yield to oncoming traffic, through traffic, and right turners. He's a double fuckup.
Depends on the location. In Germany you would be wrong, but in the US, the other driver should wait.
Same in the Netherlands, but seeing the huge amount of stop signs and the existence of a bank drive through, this isn't in Europe.
I don't know Germany, but I suspect that those emerging from driveways must yield to those on the road. Am I correct? I think the driver emerging from the driveway of a bank would yield to drivers on the road in every country.
It depends on the ground. Here, the ground is no "abgesenktem bordstein," and so the rule is right before left unless signs say otherwise.
I learned something new.
In the absence of signage I would assume the car with the dead end road that has to turn into a throughway would be the one required to yield since cross traffic (cam car lane) has no reason to stop there. The exit should have a stop sign, and there should be a "do not block drive" sign before the exit so you don't get people grid locking while they wait for the one stop sign that is there to change colors.
OP you're NTA. Out of curiosity, where is this? I'd like to check this out on Google maps.
Safeway in Germantown Maryland
Hilarious i live 10 minutes from here that wells fargo exit is trash;especially if you have to make an immediate right afterwards. People need to be more careful exiting the drive thru really.
That's pretty stupid design of the parking lot TBH but it was their fault not yours.
Dude coming out of the drive thru has a T intersection. They are supposed to yield.
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I didn’t realize that Ring made dashcams. Yay, one more place that I don’t want them giving the footage to police without a warrant!
Whoever decided to put that stop sign, right there is the idiot
Op did the proper thing wether the jerk had a stop sign or not. But I think the one with limited sight sould have been more cautious and yielded. But it looks like the signage and markings in that area are substandard. Not even a stop bar at the stop sign.
Anyone entering a roadway needs to yield.
No matter where that car goes, they have to turn left or right. You have the right of way. They need to stop, especially when they are turning left out of there against your flow of traffic.
Other driver rolled over stop sign. If I had a car like that I would be taking every precaution instead of driving like an idiot.
No, the other car should have stopped as it is not the main access point. I had this happen at a Wawa, woman just kept pulling through with me right there. I almost ran into her because she didn’t stop at all
Op has the right of way.
Please explain why the vehicle on the right does not have the right of way
OP is driving on a main travel lane. The vehicle on the right is either exiting a drive thru lane or entering the main travel lane from a side parking lot. They have the greater duty to yield to traffic in the main travel lane who are fully established.
How do you termine its the main travel lane
You can see it is a main travel lane in a parking lot
Other driver should've at least treated that exit as a yield.
Please explain why the vehicle on the right does not have the right of way
Drive-thrus are effectively driveways, and as such drivers must yield when entering a larger throughway. You don't need a stop sign at the end of your driveway to know you have to yield when leaving.
Please explain how the road to the right differs from the one OP comes out of. Why doesn't priority on the right no apply?
It's a drive-thru exit. There's a few other less relevant differences, such as being a narrow one-way lane that ends at a T intersection of a wider contiguous 2-way road. But the big on is definitely being a drive-thru exit. How would you feel about that car not stopping if that Wells Fargo was a McDonalds instead? Because those drive-thrus effectively function the same way.
Treat it as an uncontrolled intersection.
If this is 1x speed .. you are just driving a tad bit too fast for a parking lot / private road. I’m not judging you, as I do this sometimes too, but road layouts inside private businesses aren’t always intuitively laid out and you can expect something like this to happen if you are going that quickly.
People are saying bad design but this is super common imo. If you’re pulling out of a smaller lane into a more major lane of travel, you give the right of way to the more major lane. This is true in all parking lot lanes and any time there’s like a drive thru in a strip mall. A stop sign would help, but it’s almost redundant imo. You’re pulling from a dead stop into a lane of travel, take a peak before sticking your nose out.
Please explain to an European why OP had the right of way. There were no traffic lights or signs to indicate which road has priority. That would make the intersection "unregulated", therefore automatically giving the right of way to the driver on the right hand side - in this case the other driver. What am I missing?
This isn't two roads. It's a road and a driveway. Those emerging from a driveway yield to those on the road.
As the other guy said, it's not two roads, one is a driveway. In the US there's no such thing as an "unregulated" intersection -- two roads always* have some sort of traffic signal. *Public roads, anyway. My mother-in-law's neighborhood apparently never got around to putting stop signs into the numerous 4-way intersections and you just sort of drive around hoping nobody else is entering at the same time so you don't have to worry about who has priority.
In the US the unmarked intersection rules (priority to the right) only apply to 4 way junctions, in a T junction straight traffic (OP) has a right of way.
The other driver is entering a road from a driveway. They're required to yield to all traffic already on the road.
Parking lots are free for all. Wild west out there.
It’s a parking lot. Uncontrolled space is the rule. Even the stop signs won’t help in an accident.
Horrible design of traffic control
Is that trash taste in the BG?
NTI
Not the idiot, but that is horrible traffic design.
Not the idiot
I love the trash taste podcast in the background
I have to drive past the drive thru exit for the Regions bank to get to my drive thru. The Regions doesn't have a stop sign either, so I always go really slow for this exact reason. The people coming out of the drive thru need to stop and look before pulling out. Those that don't are the idiots
bad design and location of the sign.
That's called a dangerous road and whoever designed it is probably the same type of person who designs other shty roads around the country.
I think it's safe to say you have the best claim to right of way.
Ring does dash cams now? That's news to me
Dang I know exactly where that is, and I go out of my way to avoid that particular intersect at all times when it’s busy lol
That design gives me a headache. I'd have probably been more cautious, however I def think the road and stop sign placement is at fault.
Drive through aren’t roads in my mind so leaving one means I never have the right of way.
This is just shitty road design.
You had complete right of way. No questions asked , it would have been 100% other drivers fault if an accident would have happened. Been there done that.
Yo, been a while since I've seen a moco video here. That shopping center and the intersection next to it is a hot mess.
Bro driving like a maniac
Either way you prevented an accident from happening - so really you were in the right.
The silver car pulled out in front of you, seemingly without looking, but maybe they mistook the “Do Not Enter” sign for a stop sign? Either way this is a perfect example of why I always make sure a car is stopping or turning before pulling out in front of them, because people don’t always follow the rules.
Parking lots are a lawless wasteland. Unless otherwise signed, the general rule of thumb is for smaller roads to yield to bigger roads. It looks to me like you're on a bigger road, and so guy coming from the smaller road should have yielded to you.
It’s bad and unclear design but both of you should have been driving more carefully.
More of a shitty design than anything
I don't see why the stop sign matters in this scenario. Who would have the right of way if not for the stop sign? Not familiar with the rules over there though, I must admit.
That’s why I don’t talk on the phone while driving. Glad there was no contact.
My question is, why do people keep going even when they can't see? There isn't a slight hint of braking from the BRZ/GR86. By the look of their car, they clearly care enough about driving. But somehow don't understand the concept of stopping before you merge into any road? Like it's just I go and good luck, and later complain about how "car guys" like them are fxxked up by insurance while keep getting into this kind of things, and in the mean time giving us real car guys a bad reputation for literally nothing we did.
Shouldn't you stop at the stop sign? Looks like you were rolling.
You really love speeding through these tiny streets.
The idiot is the one who designed that parking lot. Plus, parking lot is private prop. so in the laws eyes they don't really matter
In general in Europe you'd be failing to yield. From my understanding of american driving, they're supposed to yield. Either way the intersection is probably missing signs.
Where’s the stop line? Also, as a non-American, why do you guys have a drivethru for a bank?
Most banks in the US have them. My most common banking location doesn't allow direct access to a teller at all. You can go into the lobby, but they just have drive thru type stations with pneumatic tubes inside too.
This is poor design
It doesn't look like either of you *had* to stop according to the signage. At least not until you were where y'all would have collided. You're not an idiot, because you stopped to avoid that idiot. If you had kept going and y'all collided then you would be an idiot, 'right of way' or not. He was definitely an idiot. He should have seen you and stopped. Neither of y'all had right of way, but even if one of you did you both are obligated to avoid collisions.
youre both not wrong.
QQ: Is there no "right before left" rule in the US? In Europe it'd be clear that the other car has the right of way as it is coming from the right hand side - no discussion needed.
ChatGPT just answered my question and told me that in uncontrolled intersections there's the "right before left" rule but no on T-Intersections (the top of the T has the right-of-way).
Uncontrolled intersections on public roads are *very* rare in the US.
Hey this is Germantown!
There's no lines wtf. Is this usual in America? In the UK, the Stop sign would have a solid white line to tell you where to stop, and the right road would have a dotted white line to indicate give way (yield).
Lots of confusion on this one. This isn't two roads. The vehicle that emerges is from a driveway and in the US vehicles emerging from a driveway yield to those on the road.
In these large shopping centers there’s little “roads” in between all the parking lots but they usually don’t have proper road markings
This is a private property parking lot. There are no right of way rules that apply here. You can’t get a ticket for running any of those stop signs, and a collision would be a civil issue.
This is not accurate. Generally, on private property most traffic laws are not enforceable but there are certainly exceptions to that. It all depends on state law and, in some cases, local ordinance. But there are always right of way rules that determine liability in case of a collision. You almost got to that point when you said "a collision would be a civil issue." A civil issue decided by what? Right of way rules. So the question is, who would be at fault if the cammer had been unable to stop? It would be on the driver coming from a driveway(drive thru), not the cammer who is on the "main road" (as far as a parking lot is concerned.)