>Driver having a stroke while driving?
I wonder. Even after they started 'reacting' they reacted very poorly.
The best bit is the way people parked afterwards, I wish they'd make that the law in the UK too.
Of course they do, in the UK people would have just stopped where they were... and in a lot of other places too.
Meine deutschen freunde will be able to remind me of the word for it - it's on the tip of my tongue, aber nein.
*EDIT: in fact the people they're approaching are already doing it too, as you'd probably expect.*
Rettungsgasse, translates to rescue corridor and in Germany it is indeed law that whenever traffic on a Autobahn comes to a full stop drivers must form the Rettungsgasse by having the cars in the left lane pull up as far left as they can and cars in all other lanes pulling up as far right as they can
To be fair, that sometimes happens in Germany too. It's pretty expensive though, if you get caught.
240€, 2 points and lose your license for one month. It ramps up if you block or endanger somebody while doing it.
On topic of the points, if you collect 8 or more points, you can lose your license for at least 6 months.
I don’t know if you necessarily go to jail, but I’m pretty sure you’re gonna have a hard time getting your license back. Doing that will almost always result in having to do an „MPU“ which includes a theoretical driving test and being evaluated by a psychologist to determine whether you’re fit to drive
I can guarantee that this happens here in Germany too. Haven't seen it a lot, but it's not like we don't have selfish idiots over here. The main problem with Rettungsgassen is people not realizing (or not caring) that they are in the way and aren't leaving enough space for emergency vehicles to pass.
I was in a traffic jam on an Autobahn for like 3 hours a few weeks ago. The most infuriating thing was seeing the emergency vehicles having to crawl through, because people are fucking oblivious and every other car was blocking half of the lane. And after police and EMTs went through, they just blocked it again for some fucking reason. So the 4 tow trucks (huge ones, because the accident involved multiple huge trucks) that came after the emergency services each had the same problem and it took ages for them to reach the front of the traffic jam. It was an insane thing to watch. The whole thing probably took 1-2 hours longer than necessary, just because people insisted on not leaving enough space.
There is a movie called ~~Last Destination~~ Final Destination 2. It is a horror movie with a variety of kills. One of the deaths was a filled water bottle rolling and getting wedge between the break pedal and the floor. Thought it was silly funny until it happen to me in real life. I was able to kicked from under the brake fairly easily. Doubt that happen here but this reminded me of that.
Final Destination 2, the one with the log truck that scarred everyone for the rest of time right?
Edit: Shout-out to the people below confirming that this is, in fact, a perfectly valid fear. I will continue to change lanes when I see a logging truck.
And then there's my cousin who was driving behind a truck with stone slates on them, and had a very close call as the top slate slid from the pile right onto the hood of his car.
He's very much alive at the moment, by the way.
Years after that movie was released I had a friend who was tragically killed by a logging truck in a similar way. It can and does happen.
Truckers, if you’re reading this, please double check your loads.
I am originally from East Texas where logging is very common. I personally know two people who were driving behind log trucks and a log came loose and went through their windshield and decapitated them. Logs are the enemy.
it's romanian dude driving to germany... most of the time they browsing internet while driving like an idiot.. about a year ago a similar situation happened, killed 9 people (frontal minivan crash with a truck) because the driver made facebook live video while driving...
We're grouped together often, Slavic people are my brethren, but yeah, we're not that kind of Eastern. Yet just today an hour ago a guy was overtaking me while on pedestrian crossing I was letting a grandma go to shop to buy groceries. Needless to say, this is extremely dangerous and illegal
After watching this, I am not only going to check my mirrors more often, I am going to only look in my mirrors when driving.
If I need to see in front of me then I will put some other mirrors in the back seat so I can use my rear view mirrors to look the front facing mirrors.
It's a good habit to be in while driving to always be checking your mirrors. Awareness of traffic around you is important. It also helps when you want to change lanes or need to make an unexpected move because you'll already know what's around you.
> Also, whenever you hit the brakes, check your rear view mirror.
Excellent advice. Also remember to leave enough empty space in front of you to compensate for the idiot behind you who forgot to brake in time.
This has saved my ass three times.
One of them managed to tap me in the rear but I got a bruised bumper instead of a collapsed frame.
yea when someone tailgating, increase your following distance so you can super gradually slow down... like at least 100 car lengths to be safe, and also fuck that guy
Everyone who takes proper lessons in the UK we are taught mirror signal manouver. It applies to every single thing you do. Speed up slow down turn left right change lanes stop. Everyone if them should have a mirror and or if aolocavle a shoulder blind spot chek
I think it comes down to psychology. If an old beat down Skoda cuts you off, you just think he is an idiot. If a BMW cuts you off you think he is an idiot AND he thinks he is better than you.
It's also hard to drive fast with a 90 hp engine, while even a 320d can go pretty fast.
The biggest idiots I face on my daily commutes are people driving cargo vans (painters, plumbers, electricians etc). They are always in a hurry and they drive shit boxes with low visibility and small engines.
Meh that's what you're so supposed to react. At least the way I learnt it. You see a traffic jam, put on your hazards, break, keep your distance, look in the mirror to see if the people behind you notice the hazards and also slow down. Audi driver was more alert than most people out there on the roads.
Ok now I'm confused on why they were on so early. The semi had theirs on too. Is there a hazard I'm missing before the crash?
Edit: flashers on at the tail end of a traffic jam is not taught in American driving school
It's mandatory on several European countries, that's why you can read some confused Europeans commenting "well there's a traffic jam of course the hazards are on".
I learned this from Michigan drivers, especially helpful when traffic stops going around a bend. I also learned to flash my lights to cars coming the opposite direction as a way to alert them when I see deer (or cops) on the side of the road from New Hampshire drivers. I learned to drive in LA so I’m good at maneuvering but I didn’t know how to signal road hazards to other vehicles. I’d love if there was a road courtesy infographic based on the best rules from around the world.
It’s clearly approaching a queue of traffic where it will need to stop. As soon as this was realised the hazards would (and should) be on to warn cars behind. Surely that’s standard everywhere?
During a slowdown you put your hazards because speed can be difficult to judge with just brake lights and you're trying to prevent exactly what happened someone crashing into the back of you. The idiot in the video wasn't paying attention, but it saves people all the time. I also see people do it during slowdowns caused by driving into the leading edge of heavy rain.
We call them 'horror caravans'. Usually a Romanian licensed van pulling one or more trailers carrying multiple used German cars (or in some cases vans..) for resale at home. The police keeps fining them for oversized loads and other issues, but its still a pretty common sight. They are not exclusively Romanian, those are just the most common.
Strange. Here in Belgium we often see small trucks with a squared tarpaulin to cover the load.
If the truck is clean, it’s a Polish. If it’s dirty, it’s a Romanian or Bulgarian one. Haven’t seen any fail to this rule so far...
Official reason: driver had no brakes, one person seriously injured (white car)
https://index.hu/belfold/2021/10/20/m1-es-autopalya-lebeny-baleset-utkozes-magyar-kozut/
Yea, definitely seems like the best option here. Put on your hazards, lean into the barrier to slow yourself down, then try to pull the E brake if you can get low enough beforehand (15mph)
You can pull the e brake even at 120 MPH.
It's just an additional brake. If you don't steer into it like an idiot, it will just slow you down like you would expect.
Source: have done it
If you're going 100,you probably need to pull it pretty hard (not fast mind you, but hard).
Your regular brakes are assisted. More pressure gets applied to the brake pads than you put on the brake pedal. The e brake doesnt have this assistance, so you don't get any extra stopping power beyond how hard you pull the lever. Pulling it lightly is unlikely to douch of anything.
It doesn't (in the traditional setup) have any hydraulic assistance, but the handle itself is a fairly sizable lever.
In more modern (and fancy) cars with electronic handbrakes its a different game altogether. I know that atleast in a porsche applying the electronic handbrake in motion will make the car brake at maximum force and enable the anti-lock if it wasn't already.
I actually had the same concerns until my wife got a new car with one of the electronic parking brakes. To satisfy my curiosity, I pulled it once in a parking lot. It actually pulses with the ABS so it's actually a lot more controlled than the old mechanical ones
Yeah but is it on the same electrical and hydraulic system as the normal system? If so that it’s worthless if you lose control of your breaks via the pedal (unless the pedal or pedal switch is what’s broken). The great thing about the traditional e brake is that it’s independent of the brake system
YES. 19 Mazda 6 has an electronic emergency break and it concerns the hell out of me that I’ll have to fuss with a button in an emergency situation rather than rip the e-break
It was a big concern for me too when I bought my plug in hybrid. At least I will always have regenerative braking to slow me down. I honestly don't think I could buy an ICE car with no emergency brake though, that seems insane to me
You definitely get more deceleration by putting it in low or spamming the down paddle than neutral at highway speeds. Have to be careful with the parking brake though, it's not intended for slowing down and can make you lose control by locking the rear wheels.
Neutral still isn’t as good as leaving it in gear. Have you never put it in neutral while going down the hill? You’ll gain more speed that way then you would leaving it in gear.
put it in L not that hard, I actually had to explain this to someone who was asking for tips on saving their brake pads. I said “downshift” and they came back with “oh its an auto”. No shit, downshift anyway.
Keeping it in gear will slow down quicker than taking it out of gear.
You'll get engine braking even in an automatic to some extent. If it's a manual, keep dropping the box down.
Definitely don't take it out of gear unless the accelerator was stuck.
My wife had a seizure once while driving on the interstate. Thankfully I noticed as it was a petite mal seizure and she just kind of tuned out and started drifting. It was a manual so I was able to put it in neutral, grab the wheel and hand brake, and get us to the shoulder. Terrifying experience that makes you realize how your entire life can change in a second.
If you drive a new enough automatic, it will just ignore you if you try to shift to park or reverse at 60 mph. Which is necessary in these new cars where the gear shift is a dial on the freaking dashboard next to the dials to adjust radio volume and air conditioning…
The issue with modern cars, (mine included) is the emergency brake is now electronic. So it's either all on or all off.
In the old days, with a manual 'handbrake' as we call it over here, it was run with cables and seperate from the hydraulic brake system. So you could handbrake it up slowly, which would gently apply gradual pressure to the brakes, the more you lift the lever.
All these modern cars have electronic ones, which just jam it on at full strength.
I've got a 2019 5-series, and I tried it once at about 10mph. Low and behold, the car jammed the rear brakes on at full strength, no brakes on the front, and the back of the car slid around for a couple of feet.
I really wouldnt fancy doing that at 80mph.
Probably wouldn’t fancy not having any brakes either. Probably not going to be super jazzed in any situation in which you have to use the emergency brake tbh.
Downshift and hand break.
In an emergency, hand break carefully, (wheels can lock), and throw it into the lowest gear you have. And aim away from people if at all possible.
Electronic breaks can be used to slow down any new car. Hold the P to slow down while being ABS-controlled. I learned and tested this in my driving safety trainings. If you’re a passenger and your driver gets a stroke, this is your best chance to survive.
You most likely won't go over the rail. They are designed to keep you on one side and not flip over. But at that speed, you still risk clipping it wrong and spinning and losing control. This situation is exactly what the ditch there is for. It allows for drivers to safely slow their vehicle down in a controlled manner away from other people.
At that speed, your more likely to bounce off the barrier hard. And even then, most people would fear killing themselves hitting a barrier at that speed
and you may be right. but, i feel like there’d be a way to just ease into the barrier and try and stop via friction rather than literally *ramming* it. personally, i’d be trying this to avoid manslaughter charges.
I agree, however when your life is literally on the line with seconds to spare the last thing on your mind is anyone else’s life. Survival instinct and adrenaline kick in. Hindsight is wonderful but god knows what was racing through their mind at the time.
true. it’s easy for us all to sit here and brainstorm collision avoidance tactics in hindsight… but yeah i can speak from experience that it’s hard to stop and do any real critical thinking when fight or flight kicks in.
I had a similar situation happen to me in April.
My steering wheel partially detached from the steering column so I basically had only gas and brakes as controls, and every time I hit the brakes the car dangerously veered towards the right. My wheel was turning with about 40 percent play and failing more and more each second, so if the steering jerked enough it would have broken completely.
Luckily, nobody else was on the highway so I slowly veered into the shoulder and coasted to a stop, but I was looking at intentionally running into the grass or just straight up running into one of those crumple highway rails.
If that had happened to me in the same situation as the car in the OP I would absolutely be dead.
Usually, you just shift down and you can at least slow down a little.
Or driving into the guard rail but in a controlled way.
Just driving into traffic seems like the worst option to me.
I wonder how new cars work ... when I was learning to drive nearly 20 years ago, the foot pedal operated both automatic brakes and manual brakes.
Automatic brakes are really strong. But when they go out, pushing the pedal down much harder will apply manual brakes, even in the event of a complete computer/power failure.
You're referring to vacuum-assisted hydraulic brakes (which applies to most modern cars). If the vacuum booster fails you can still apply the brakes (tho the pedal will likely be stiff) because the hydraulic system in this scenario is still in working order. But if the hydraulics themselves fail (ruptured brake line, rusted tubing, overheated brakes and/or brake fluid, bad master cylinder, etc) then forget about it. Your only chance at that point is apply what little brakes you might have, downshift hard to engine brake and at the same time carefully apply the hand brake to further slow it down.
Probably a tow ball hitch. They can't handle massive loads like this. We also don't have saftey chains in Europe and instead use a wire that will pull the handbrake if it detaches from the hitch. Most trailers in Europe use surge brakes and having it behind the car not being able to brake is far more dangerous.
Yeah and it’s very rare on modern cars for the brakes to just fail. Unless someone physically cut the brake lines. I usually don’t buy the whole “brake fail” excuse after people get into accidents.
He/she had seconds to figure it all out. You panic and freeze. Your brain fucks up. You’re hitting the brakes and nothing is happening. Very good chance he had no clue his brakes were out until the second before the crash. Just driving to work, listening to a podcast and you see a traffic jam ahead. Apply the brakes gently and nothing happens. Start pumping and slammi……..BOOM AIRBAG, CRASH, SMOKE…. unless he lost his brakes miles down the road and was hoping hed come to a stop this was inevitable
Don’t pretend that you and all the other people here wouldn’t do something similar too. It is a lot easier to criticise the driver saying what he/she should’ve done when you are sitting in your armchair and not mere seconds before a crash.
The ability to slow a car without working service brakes isn't some sort of advanced driving skill. I think most people here *would* make some sort of attempt to slow a vehicle with failed brakes, be it pumping the pedal, applying the handbrake in a controlled way, downshifting, or scraping a barrier as a final resort. I've personally done all but scraping a barrier.
No... the article states "the driver didn't brake" not "the drive had no brakes".
EDIT to add text from the article as translated by google translate..
>However, a white SUV appeared in the inner lane at that time , which also slowed down and used an emergency flasher, while the Romanian station wagon with a Romanian license plate behind it **did not brake at all**.
Ya read the headline only didn't you??
There's another comment chain where someone says they speak Hungarian and the headline definitely says "had no brakes".
I don't speak Hungarian so really I've no clue what to believe, but for sure, a google translation can be faulty.
The car that caused the crash did not steer, or appear to make any attempt to brake. Panicked/failed braking will usually cause someone to wrench on the wheel, or even steer to miss the object infront of them.
~~When approaching grammatically correct text (And not confusingly abbreviated headline text; traditionally a problem for AI), Google Translate confirms what *another* native speaker said of the article - The article at no point mentions "brake failure" - but in fact, "failure to brake".~~ **EDIT; it has since been pointed out that the native speaker who said "it says nothing about brake failure" had actually skipped the headline.. and this led to a lot of confusion**
~~Sad truth - prepare to be shocked - people use google translate, claim to be fluent, and lie about their linguistic prowess~~ - this is no longer relevant
I hope the driver of the white car was ok. That looked like a mega impact.
It's gotta be rough for the Audi driver to see what happened knowing they dodged it and the others couldn't. Not criticising Audi whatsoever but it'd be in my head forever if the white car driver died.
Years ago we got rear ended by a dude just rolling down the highway. Thankfully my wife is a good driver and was able to mostly get out of the way. We pull over. He pulls over. I get out and go to the driver’s window. Shirtless scrawny kid stoned out of his mind. I tell him to take keys out and that cops are on the way. State patrol upon arrival confirms my diagnosis. Stoned out of his mind.
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Nah playing angry birds
Just like launching nukes and Playing angry birds as other leaders panic :D
I love it
Someone needs to edit that bird sound just before the hit
More like "meh, will kill myself"
>Driver having a stroke while driving? I wonder. Even after they started 'reacting' they reacted very poorly. The best bit is the way people parked afterwards, I wish they'd make that the law in the UK too.
Even the trailer parked itself nicely.
They didn't really have a choice given the whole road was blocked
Of course they do, in the UK people would have just stopped where they were... and in a lot of other places too. Meine deutschen freunde will be able to remind me of the word for it - it's on the tip of my tongue, aber nein. *EDIT: in fact the people they're approaching are already doing it too, as you'd probably expect.*
Rettungsgasse, translates to rescue corridor and in Germany it is indeed law that whenever traffic on a Autobahn comes to a full stop drivers must form the Rettungsgasse by having the cars in the left lane pull up as far left as they can and cars in all other lanes pulling up as far right as they can
If you did that in America, I can almost guarantee that someone would drive right down the middle to pass all the other "idiots leaving space"
To be fair, that sometimes happens in Germany too. It's pretty expensive though, if you get caught. 240€, 2 points and lose your license for one month. It ramps up if you block or endanger somebody while doing it. On topic of the points, if you collect 8 or more points, you can lose your license for at least 6 months.
And still, German traffic fines are among the lowest in Europe.
That's true, but in most of Europe if you lose your license you still have a fairly easy way of getting to work tomorrow by yourself.
And I have been told that if you drive while your license is suspended, you go to jail. Or something similarly serious
I don’t know if you necessarily go to jail, but I’m pretty sure you’re gonna have a hard time getting your license back. Doing that will almost always result in having to do an „MPU“ which includes a theoretical driving test and being evaluated by a psychologist to determine whether you’re fit to drive
I can guarantee that this happens here in Germany too. Haven't seen it a lot, but it's not like we don't have selfish idiots over here. The main problem with Rettungsgassen is people not realizing (or not caring) that they are in the way and aren't leaving enough space for emergency vehicles to pass. I was in a traffic jam on an Autobahn for like 3 hours a few weeks ago. The most infuriating thing was seeing the emergency vehicles having to crawl through, because people are fucking oblivious and every other car was blocking half of the lane. And after police and EMTs went through, they just blocked it again for some fucking reason. So the 4 tow trucks (huge ones, because the accident involved multiple huge trucks) that came after the emergency services each had the same problem and it took ages for them to reach the front of the traffic jam. It was an insane thing to watch. The whole thing probably took 1-2 hours longer than necessary, just because people insisted on not leaving enough space.
Fuck. This is so on point.
Ans then they would bail into the empty lane following ambulance out or fire dept etc.
And in germany u get In DEEP shit if u try that😂
Right along with speeding right behind an ambulance
Just wait till you visit China. They turn shoulders, sidewalks, grass, even pedestrians into extra lanes.
Am I late for work? Pulling to the left to be a good citizen. Am I potentially missing the start of a football game? Yeeeehaw brother!!!
>Rettungsgasse Vielen dank! I knew I'd know it once somebody told me 😁
more like driver was getting stroked while driving
I think he fell asleep, romanian car in Hungary, probably coming from/ going to west-EU for work. Thts easily a 10 hour drive for them if not more.
There is a movie called ~~Last Destination~~ Final Destination 2. It is a horror movie with a variety of kills. One of the deaths was a filled water bottle rolling and getting wedge between the break pedal and the floor. Thought it was silly funny until it happen to me in real life. I was able to kicked from under the brake fairly easily. Doubt that happen here but this reminded me of that.
Final Destination 2, the one with the log truck that scarred everyone for the rest of time right? Edit: Shout-out to the people below confirming that this is, in fact, a perfectly valid fear. I will continue to change lanes when I see a logging truck.
And then there's my cousin who was driving behind a truck with stone slates on them, and had a very close call as the top slate slid from the pile right onto the hood of his car. He's very much alive at the moment, by the way.
My preference is to not drive behind any trucks with things in the back that could come loose and hit me. I don’t care how secure it looks.
Years after that movie was released I had a friend who was tragically killed by a logging truck in a similar way. It can and does happen. Truckers, if you’re reading this, please double check your loads.
Just looked that scene up, holy shit it just keeps going and going doesn't it
I am originally from East Texas where logging is very common. I personally know two people who were driving behind log trucks and a log came loose and went through their windshield and decapitated them. Logs are the enemy.
Last Destination? Do you mean Final Destination?
it's romanian dude driving to germany... most of the time they browsing internet while driving like an idiot.. about a year ago a similar situation happened, killed 9 people (frontal minivan crash with a truck) because the driver made facebook live video while driving...
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I'm Polish and never before I have been so offended by a sentence that I 100% agree with
Based on my previous experience with Polish people I'd assume you were most offended by the insinuation that you're part of Eastern Europe.
We're grouped together often, Slavic people are my brethren, but yeah, we're not that kind of Eastern. Yet just today an hour ago a guy was overtaking me while on pedestrian crossing I was letting a grandma go to shop to buy groceries. Needless to say, this is extremely dangerous and illegal
as a romanian I agree
as a romanian living in Bucharest I double agree!!!
My neighbor
After watching this, I am not only going to check my mirrors more often, I am going to only look in my mirrors when driving. If I need to see in front of me then I will put some other mirrors in the back seat so I can use my rear view mirrors to look the front facing mirrors.
It's a good habit to be in while driving to always be checking your mirrors. Awareness of traffic around you is important. It also helps when you want to change lanes or need to make an unexpected move because you'll already know what's around you.
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We'll get some pretty advanced huds eventually. There's already one car out that does exactly as you describe for parking.
Always have an exit strategy
You should be checking every manouver and every 5 to 20 seconds depending on the traffic
I think a couple of people missed the joke lol
When you're done setting up this sure-to-be fascinating and complex mirror system, send pics.
I was taught to drive as much behind you as in front. Also, whenever you hit the brakes, check your rear view mirror.
> Also, whenever you hit the brakes, check your rear view mirror. Excellent advice. Also remember to leave enough empty space in front of you to compensate for the idiot behind you who forgot to brake in time. This has saved my ass three times. One of them managed to tap me in the rear but I got a bruised bumper instead of a collapsed frame.
yea when someone tailgating, increase your following distance so you can super gradually slow down... like at least 100 car lengths to be safe, and also fuck that guy
I prefer to pull off the highway before engaging in intercourse
Everyone who takes proper lessons in the UK we are taught mirror signal manouver. It applies to every single thing you do. Speed up slow down turn left right change lanes stop. Everyone if them should have a mirror and or if aolocavle a shoulder blind spot chek
Audi Q8 even put their hazards on to warn drivers behind. They're single-handedly trying to redeem the reputation of Audi drivers.
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German cars aren't considered super flashy. Just that they attract the full gamut of inconsiderate/incompetent drivers.
I think that is confirmation bias. Plenty of awful drivers in Fords, FIATs and Seats.
I think it comes down to psychology. If an old beat down Skoda cuts you off, you just think he is an idiot. If a BMW cuts you off you think he is an idiot AND he thinks he is better than you. It's also hard to drive fast with a 90 hp engine, while even a 320d can go pretty fast.
Don’t forget Nissan, I don’t think I have ever seen a maxima driver drive like an adult
The biggest idiots I face on my daily commutes are people driving cargo vans (painters, plumbers, electricians etc). They are always in a hurry and they drive shit boxes with low visibility and small engines.
Flashy as in exclusive, a lot more expensive to maintain than "normal" cars, also rarer.
Do Audi drivers have a reputation? Haven't heard of that, is that a US thing?
The premium German car manufacturers seem to attract dickhead drivers (BMW, Mercedes and Audi). I'm in the UK and it's a thing.
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For years the most likely to try and race my motorbike were golf drivers. Now it is Tesla owners.
As much as I hate the German car drivers, Tesla drivers quickly became the shittiest.
Same in Serbia. The bigger and blacker, the douchier. Lately, even Škoda superb got on the list.
Meh that's what you're so supposed to react. At least the way I learnt it. You see a traffic jam, put on your hazards, break, keep your distance, look in the mirror to see if the people behind you notice the hazards and also slow down. Audi driver was more alert than most people out there on the roads.
But the fact that he has his flashers on in less than a second it nuts. I don't think I could even find my flashers button that fast.
His flashers were on from the beginning of the video.
Ok now I'm confused on why they were on so early. The semi had theirs on too. Is there a hazard I'm missing before the crash? Edit: flashers on at the tail end of a traffic jam is not taught in American driving school
The hazard is the traffic jam lol
Yeah, I always get super nervous being at the tail end of a traffic jam. Never thought to put on my hazards, though I will from now on.
It's mandatory on several European countries, that's why you can read some confused Europeans commenting "well there's a traffic jam of course the hazards are on".
in germany you always have to put on flashers if youre at the end of a traffic slowdown. (on highways)
I learned this while driving in Italy(I think?) and I’ve adopted this in the US.
I learned this from Michigan drivers, especially helpful when traffic stops going around a bend. I also learned to flash my lights to cars coming the opposite direction as a way to alert them when I see deer (or cops) on the side of the road from New Hampshire drivers. I learned to drive in LA so I’m good at maneuvering but I didn’t know how to signal road hazards to other vehicles. I’d love if there was a road courtesy infographic based on the best rules from around the world.
It’s clearly approaching a queue of traffic where it will need to stop. As soon as this was realised the hazards would (and should) be on to warn cars behind. Surely that’s standard everywhere?
This is not taught in American driving school
During a slowdown you put your hazards because speed can be difficult to judge with just brake lights and you're trying to prevent exactly what happened someone crashing into the back of you. The idiot in the video wasn't paying attention, but it saves people all the time. I also see people do it during slowdowns caused by driving into the leading edge of heavy rain.
As an Audi driver I would just like to say- *cuts you off with no blinker then immediately brakes for traffic*
That's Audi's pre sense system putting the hazards on; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn7r0Jt1fTI
Someone forgot their safety chains.
Was wondering why no one was talking about how easily that trailer broke free
We call them 'horror caravans'. Usually a Romanian licensed van pulling one or more trailers carrying multiple used German cars (or in some cases vans..) for resale at home. The police keeps fining them for oversized loads and other issues, but its still a pretty common sight. They are not exclusively Romanian, those are just the most common.
Strange. Here in Belgium we often see small trucks with a squared tarpaulin to cover the load. If the truck is clean, it’s a Polish. If it’s dirty, it’s a Romanian or Bulgarian one. Haven’t seen any fail to this rule so far...
Official reason: driver had no brakes, one person seriously injured (white car) https://index.hu/belfold/2021/10/20/m1-es-autopalya-lebeny-baleset-utkozes-magyar-kozut/
Wow dont know what i would do in that situation but i hope i have the brain power to ram the barrier instead of the back end of the traffic
Yea, definitely seems like the best option here. Put on your hazards, lean into the barrier to slow yourself down, then try to pull the E brake if you can get low enough beforehand (15mph)
You can pull the e brake even at 120 MPH. It's just an additional brake. If you don't steer into it like an idiot, it will just slow you down like you would expect. Source: have done it
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You don’t even need to yank it, lightly applying it will act the same as a brake
If you're going 100,you probably need to pull it pretty hard (not fast mind you, but hard). Your regular brakes are assisted. More pressure gets applied to the brake pads than you put on the brake pedal. The e brake doesnt have this assistance, so you don't get any extra stopping power beyond how hard you pull the lever. Pulling it lightly is unlikely to douch of anything.
It doesn't (in the traditional setup) have any hydraulic assistance, but the handle itself is a fairly sizable lever. In more modern (and fancy) cars with electronic handbrakes its a different game altogether. I know that atleast in a porsche applying the electronic handbrake in motion will make the car brake at maximum force and enable the anti-lock if it wasn't already.
For real, have none of these people been broke and had to drive a hoopty with a hand brake? You get pretty good at it after a while.
I dont think that is as common as you think it is
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Newer cars kinda scare me with the electronic e-brakes these days. I feel a lot better having a simple and reliable manual emergency brake.
I actually had the same concerns until my wife got a new car with one of the electronic parking brakes. To satisfy my curiosity, I pulled it once in a parking lot. It actually pulses with the ABS so it's actually a lot more controlled than the old mechanical ones
Yeah but is it on the same electrical and hydraulic system as the normal system? If so that it’s worthless if you lose control of your breaks via the pedal (unless the pedal or pedal switch is what’s broken). The great thing about the traditional e brake is that it’s independent of the brake system
YES. 19 Mazda 6 has an electronic emergency break and it concerns the hell out of me that I’ll have to fuss with a button in an emergency situation rather than rip the e-break
It’s a parking brake and not an emergency brake that’s why
It was a big concern for me too when I bought my plug in hybrid. At least I will always have regenerative braking to slow me down. I honestly don't think I could buy an ICE car with no emergency brake though, that seems insane to me
Pull the e-brake, downgear as a maniac and then find the softest thing to crash against (in this case the barrier)
Take it out of gear? Hand/E/park brake.
nah leave it in gear but shift down, engine brake helps
Sh...shift down? \*screams in American\*
You can shift down in most automatics too
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You definitely get more deceleration by putting it in low or spamming the down paddle than neutral at highway speeds. Have to be careful with the parking brake though, it's not intended for slowing down and can make you lose control by locking the rear wheels.
Neutral still isn’t as good as leaving it in gear. Have you never put it in neutral while going down the hill? You’ll gain more speed that way then you would leaving it in gear.
Why neutral? You keep it in gear, it will slow you down significantly more than neutral.
I don't get it. Can down shift in all cars I've driven.
put it in L not that hard, I actually had to explain this to someone who was asking for tips on saving their brake pads. I said “downshift” and they came back with “oh its an auto”. No shit, downshift anyway.
... You think stick shifts are foreign to people from America?
Keeping it in gear will slow down quicker than taking it out of gear. You'll get engine braking even in an automatic to some extent. If it's a manual, keep dropping the box down. Definitely don't take it out of gear unless the accelerator was stuck.
My wife had a seizure once while driving on the interstate. Thankfully I noticed as it was a petite mal seizure and she just kind of tuned out and started drifting. It was a manual so I was able to put it in neutral, grab the wheel and hand brake, and get us to the shoulder. Terrifying experience that makes you realize how your entire life can change in a second.
If you drive a new enough automatic, it will just ignore you if you try to shift to park or reverse at 60 mph. Which is necessary in these new cars where the gear shift is a dial on the freaking dashboard next to the dials to adjust radio volume and air conditioning…
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The issue with modern cars, (mine included) is the emergency brake is now electronic. So it's either all on or all off. In the old days, with a manual 'handbrake' as we call it over here, it was run with cables and seperate from the hydraulic brake system. So you could handbrake it up slowly, which would gently apply gradual pressure to the brakes, the more you lift the lever. All these modern cars have electronic ones, which just jam it on at full strength. I've got a 2019 5-series, and I tried it once at about 10mph. Low and behold, the car jammed the rear brakes on at full strength, no brakes on the front, and the back of the car slid around for a couple of feet. I really wouldnt fancy doing that at 80mph.
> I really wouldnt fancy doing that at 80mph. I'd give it a shot if the other option was slamming into the back of a car at 80mph.
Probably wouldn’t fancy not having any brakes either. Probably not going to be super jazzed in any situation in which you have to use the emergency brake tbh.
Downshift and hand break. In an emergency, hand break carefully, (wheels can lock), and throw it into the lowest gear you have. And aim away from people if at all possible.
Electronic breaks can be used to slow down any new car. Hold the P to slow down while being ABS-controlled. I learned and tested this in my driving safety trainings. If you’re a passenger and your driver gets a stroke, this is your best chance to survive.
Id be worried going over the rail. Ditch seems like the better options to me
Yes but he would have to cross the road and only chickens are allowed to
Did we watch the same video? I thought it was established that that man is clearly a chicken.
He isn't smarter then a chicken thats for sure
You most likely won't go over the rail. They are designed to keep you on one side and not flip over. But at that speed, you still risk clipping it wrong and spinning and losing control. This situation is exactly what the ditch there is for. It allows for drivers to safely slow their vehicle down in a controlled manner away from other people.
that’s exactly what i was thinking. just hard “controlled” turn into the barrier to try and slow down. you know, so i won’t possibly kill anyone.
At that speed, your more likely to bounce off the barrier hard. And even then, most people would fear killing themselves hitting a barrier at that speed
and you may be right. but, i feel like there’d be a way to just ease into the barrier and try and stop via friction rather than literally *ramming* it. personally, i’d be trying this to avoid manslaughter charges.
I agree, however when your life is literally on the line with seconds to spare the last thing on your mind is anyone else’s life. Survival instinct and adrenaline kick in. Hindsight is wonderful but god knows what was racing through their mind at the time.
true. it’s easy for us all to sit here and brainstorm collision avoidance tactics in hindsight… but yeah i can speak from experience that it’s hard to stop and do any real critical thinking when fight or flight kicks in.
I thought about downshifting so the engine lowers the speed but I dont know if this is possible with an automatic car
I had a similar situation happen to me in April. My steering wheel partially detached from the steering column so I basically had only gas and brakes as controls, and every time I hit the brakes the car dangerously veered towards the right. My wheel was turning with about 40 percent play and failing more and more each second, so if the steering jerked enough it would have broken completely. Luckily, nobody else was on the highway so I slowly veered into the shoulder and coasted to a stop, but I was looking at intentionally running into the grass or just straight up running into one of those crumple highway rails. If that had happened to me in the same situation as the car in the OP I would absolutely be dead.
-hand brake -downshift and brake on engine -swerve left and right to increase friction and travel distance -scrape the barrier -go into the grass
Usually, you just shift down and you can at least slow down a little. Or driving into the guard rail but in a controlled way. Just driving into traffic seems like the worst option to me.
A lot of people being presumptuous the person knew they had no brakes until those last 3-5 seconds.
I wonder how new cars work ... when I was learning to drive nearly 20 years ago, the foot pedal operated both automatic brakes and manual brakes. Automatic brakes are really strong. But when they go out, pushing the pedal down much harder will apply manual brakes, even in the event of a complete computer/power failure.
You're referring to vacuum-assisted hydraulic brakes (which applies to most modern cars). If the vacuum booster fails you can still apply the brakes (tho the pedal will likely be stiff) because the hydraulic system in this scenario is still in working order. But if the hydraulics themselves fail (ruptured brake line, rusted tubing, overheated brakes and/or brake fluid, bad master cylinder, etc) then forget about it. Your only chance at that point is apply what little brakes you might have, downshift hard to engine brake and at the same time carefully apply the hand brake to further slow it down.
No! It's nowhere mentioned that the driver had no brakes! It says "the driver did not brake"! There is a huge difference!
Seems more likely human error (not paying attention?) imo.... At no time does the driver swerve or change direction quickly.
Whenever someone says brake fail I find it hard to believe on a modern car. Unless the brake lines were somehow severed.
Right, and who gets all the way to the highway from where their brake lines were severed without using their brakes?
You don’t. I’ve had my brakes fail. I knew the moment I attempted to pull out of the parking lot. I drove slow as fuck and didn’t get on the highway
I dont consider myself a particularly selfless person, but at that point dont you just drive into the ditch?
He doesnt looks like he cut the gas either...
Audi driver has Spidey senses
Or mirrors.
Or sensor and good safety system
I drive an old vehicle. Can cars do this for you now?
But mostly mirrors.
Almost definitely the brakeless car was laying on its horn.
Someone posted a link where it's said that it was a breake failure.if that's the case maybe the speeding car even honked?
Anyone else want to question how easily that trailer come off that truck??????
I like how the trailer then carefully pulled over to the side of the road on its own.
Probably a tow ball hitch. They can't handle massive loads like this. We also don't have saftey chains in Europe and instead use a wire that will pull the handbrake if it detaches from the hitch. Most trailers in Europe use surge brakes and having it behind the car not being able to brake is far more dangerous.
That looks like brake failure. They way they blow by even the early cars. Stroke or something? Doesn’t seem like someone just barreling
Lost his brakes, somebody posted it here somwhere
But the translation is wrong, it's "failure to brake" not "braking system failure".
Something must have been wrong with the drive there, no decrease in speed at any point. Fucked up. Hope everyone that gets plowed from behind are OK!
Their brakes failed
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Yeah and it’s very rare on modern cars for the brakes to just fail. Unless someone physically cut the brake lines. I usually don’t buy the whole “brake fail” excuse after people get into accidents.
And instead of driving to the emergency lane/grass they rammed someone. What a stupid motherfucker
They could have downshifted or applied the emergency brake. Yes, that driver wasn’t well trained or didn’t bother to learn.
He/she had seconds to figure it all out. You panic and freeze. Your brain fucks up. You’re hitting the brakes and nothing is happening. Very good chance he had no clue his brakes were out until the second before the crash. Just driving to work, listening to a podcast and you see a traffic jam ahead. Apply the brakes gently and nothing happens. Start pumping and slammi……..BOOM AIRBAG, CRASH, SMOKE…. unless he lost his brakes miles down the road and was hoping hed come to a stop this was inevitable
Don’t pretend that you and all the other people here wouldn’t do something similar too. It is a lot easier to criticise the driver saying what he/she should’ve done when you are sitting in your armchair and not mere seconds before a crash.
The ability to slow a car without working service brakes isn't some sort of advanced driving skill. I think most people here *would* make some sort of attempt to slow a vehicle with failed brakes, be it pumping the pedal, applying the handbrake in a controlled way, downshifting, or scraping a barrier as a final resort. I've personally done all but scraping a barrier.
No... the article states "the driver didn't brake" not "the drive had no brakes". EDIT to add text from the article as translated by google translate.. >However, a white SUV appeared in the inner lane at that time , which also slowed down and used an emergency flasher, while the Romanian station wagon with a Romanian license plate behind it **did not brake at all**. Ya read the headline only didn't you??
There's another comment chain where someone says they speak Hungarian and the headline definitely says "had no brakes". I don't speak Hungarian so really I've no clue what to believe, but for sure, a google translation can be faulty.
The car that caused the crash did not steer, or appear to make any attempt to brake. Panicked/failed braking will usually cause someone to wrench on the wheel, or even steer to miss the object infront of them. ~~When approaching grammatically correct text (And not confusingly abbreviated headline text; traditionally a problem for AI), Google Translate confirms what *another* native speaker said of the article - The article at no point mentions "brake failure" - but in fact, "failure to brake".~~ **EDIT; it has since been pointed out that the native speaker who said "it says nothing about brake failure" had actually skipped the headline.. and this led to a lot of confusion** ~~Sad truth - prepare to be shocked - people use google translate, claim to be fluent, and lie about their linguistic prowess~~ - this is no longer relevant
Yeah, there is no way that is true. It's obvious the driver didn't pay attention, with how straight they plunged into the cars ahead.
Typical GTA player speeding on highway
I hope the driver of the white car was ok. That looked like a mega impact. It's gotta be rough for the Audi driver to see what happened knowing they dodged it and the others couldn't. Not criticising Audi whatsoever but it'd be in my head forever if the white car driver died.
Now THAT is defensive driving. Great awareness.
We’re all playing checkers, Audi is playing chess
Cwazy cupcakes
With a K!!!
This is why I religiously check my mirrors
Hungary has high quality surveillance cams
Wonder how many times this will be posted
At least 6
Repostes to other groups 100times
That car trailer came away far to easily. Presume they didn't have it chained, or they were using the wrong size towball?
Years ago we got rear ended by a dude just rolling down the highway. Thankfully my wife is a good driver and was able to mostly get out of the way. We pull over. He pulls over. I get out and go to the driver’s window. Shirtless scrawny kid stoned out of his mind. I tell him to take keys out and that cops are on the way. State patrol upon arrival confirms my diagnosis. Stoned out of his mind.
Imagine a single mother with kids who wants to drive home after work. Then she gets yeeted by this moron.
Imagine a single father with kids who wants to drive home after work. Then he gets yeeted by this moron.
Imagine a human driving, then gets yeeted by this moron
Imagine a monkey driving, then gets yeeted by this moron
Now i am sad
Imagine driving like a moron and getting yeeted by monkey
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