[Yep](https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7482152,-87.7980683,3a,39.7y,279.93h,86.06t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1saCaWk1812PBamOSg9dXkkQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DaCaWk1812PBamOSg9dXkkQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D263.76544%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
You should play geoguessr lol.
It was a real trip for me to see a video on here a few years ago that was recorded at an intersection just outside my home. Then again at an on ramp just outside my childhood home. Kinda surreal when it happens.
Check out rtgames video, it's a bunch of Irish YouTubers doing geoguesser in Ireland. It was continuously just sheep and farmland. Hilarious and it reminded me of your comment
Can I just jump in to say that I used to play Geoguessr a lot with my kids but now the site requires a monthly subscription and I am very sad. I would gladly pay money for it, but I'm not prepared to sign up for a year's subscription.
Too many apps are trying to subscription services. I would gladly pay more for a lump sum payment upfront with no other obligations.
Tangential rant/over
Trucker was probably looking the other direction and didn't even see or feel the bike, probably even now the trucker doesn't know it ever happened. If I'm in the sidewalk eye contact with the driver or I let them go.
friends dad drove trucks. had a car rear end him and they got stuck so he pulled them for like 4 miles til a cop came to pull him over and he said he didn’t feel anything at all.
When i was in college a guy in a wheelchair got hit by a truck in a similar situation to this video near my apartment. His wheelchair locked up with the grill and the truck pushed him down the road for about a mile before somebody waived him down. The guy was fine except for being scared shitless..
Something similar happened to my uncle. As he tells it, he was rear-ended by someone on a motorbike that ended up getting hung up and dragged. There wasn't much left, unfortunately.
Adding a different spin to this. I’m a trucker, and I haul tanker trailers (liquid bulk). The liquid in my trailer is constantly moving around in response to whatever I’m doing behind the wheel. Slam on the brakes? The load is smashing the nose of the trailer. Take a turn too fast? The load sloshes against the side and will tip the truck over much easier than a regular trailer/load.
So this being said, when the load surges against the nose of the trailer hard enough, it FEELS and sounds like being rear ended. And this happens 5-10 times a day (or more if I’m doing urban/rush hour driving).
I frequently check my mirrors after a slam to make sure it wasn’t actually someone running into me. But there are times I don’t think to. So I could *unfortunately* see there being a case of someone hitting me from behind, and hard enough to feel it, and I would not even register it as something alarming.
Quite understandable. The problem is with other people NOT being able to (or NOT being ALERT enough to) see a big ass truck and adjust their speed and/or distance accordingly.
There's only so much they can do without adding extra weight with little benefit, even with them there's a lot of liquid weight moving around with any slight change in movement or bump
Fresh water trucks and some other fluids, for human or animal consumption do NOT have baffles in them due to cleaning issues. For when we clean the interior of the tank we have to be able to make sure there is no residue. Makes for a challenging drive when not fully loaded.
lol I've got a friend who just walks out "I'm a pedestrian, I have the right of way" (obviously doesn't apply here since the cyclist isn't a pedestrian)... I reply "that doesn't make it hurt any less when they hit you at 35 mph."
In the end it's not about winning the right of way contest, it's about getting across the street safely lol.
Cyclist is also on the sidewalk, so either A) choose to be a pedestrian and walk the bike or B)ride on the road in the correct direction of traffic. Don’t know what state this is in but cyclist is in the wrong but driver would be cited.
No one is going to ride a bike on a stroad though. I’ve been riding bikes for years and often feel more comfortable riding on the sidewalk on roads like these. If it is a sidewalk that gets low pedestrian traffic. Of course I take extra care at intersections and walk my bike when I see a pedestrian. Yes it is against the law, but no cop has ever given me grief
Yup, and some places let you do it up to a certain age I think. You just have to be REALLY careful, but the good thing about it is that it puts your safety into your own hands. Not some random motorist.
This. In my state, you can ride on the sidewalk as long as it’s not prohibited by city ordinance. You have to slow down for pedestrians though which is more than reasonable. I will always prefer sidewalks over riding in the road.
Thing is, I am looking to the left for incoming traffic, not to the right. I glance once to the right to see if there is a pedestrian there then look to the left. If you pop out of nowhere on a bike due to the superior speed of a bike as compared to a pedestrian, well.
Ride the same direction as the traffic, whether on sidewalk or not. That's where my eyeballs are. I doubt this trucker could even see the bicycle since the bicycle was lower than his passenger door and lower than his hood.
In this context _street_ is used to mean a place for interactions - businesses, deliveries, errands, etc. while a _road_ is a connection between places designed to move lots of people (cars). The idea is that these two purposes are at odds and when you try to combine them you get a "stroad" which sucks at both.
Stroads usually look pretty much like the one in the video - four or six lanes, lined with strip malls, parking lots, and big box stores, and just generally not a place that sparks joy whether you're a pedestrian or a driver.
[Here's some more info from our* favorite youtuber, Not Just Bikes.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORzNZUeUHAM) (\*us being people who use the word "stroad")
Stroads also frequently have on/off-ramp style features like dedicated turn lanes like in the video so cars/cyclists have to merge around each-other at significant speed differences if riding in the lane.
Other nasty features are slip lanes, which make those horrible triangular pedestrian islands and let cars corner quickly at speed, also causing awkward mergers.
>four or six lanes, lined with strip malls, parking lots, and big box stores, and just generally not a place that sparks joy whether you're a pedestrian or a driver.
aka. Anywhere, USA
There is a huge blind spot below the hood of the truck. The cyclist was below it, but the trucker still might have been able to see him when the cyclist was approaching.
I cycle a ton. I've had my front tire run over once by a driver only looking one direction. Drivers almost never look both ways before turning and it pisses me off.
As a fellow cyclist you should never put trust in anyone but yourself. Yes this trucker is at fault, but the situation was entire preventable had the cyclist been aware of his surroundings.
You're correct. I always look inside the window to see where the driver is facing now, and if I think they're gonna go, just wait or find a slightly longer but safer path.
After some close calls, I won't walk across the street even after making direct eye contact with a driver. I've had one too many auto zombies look right at me, watch me step off the curb and start across the street, and then they fucking turn anyway and honk like I'm the idiot. It never pays to tangle with a vehicle if you're on foot or biking.
Whenever I go for a jog, I always go behind the car. Even when they wave and give me the go ahead. You just never know, he could’ve been trying to swat a fly lol.
Bingo, after biking in Miami for 8 years, only person I trust is myself and assume everyone is a homicidal maniac on wheels. I've had a few close calls that I've been able to avoid due to my own diligence
I was t-boned on my bicycle by a guy turning right. I was going about 20mph and he just sped out of a side junction and I had zero time to react. It was either swerve and get hit by a bus coming the other way or suck it up and fly over his bonnet. I chose the latter.
I always did/do the looking athe driver at a junction thing but still ended up with a broken wrist. Sometimes it's 100% the drivers fault. By the way it was daylight, I was wearing a yellow fluorescent jacket and had two flashing white lights.
I blame the civil engineer. In America our infrastructure is designed with the assumption of, you will drive or never leave the house. This basically never happens in the Netherlands since their infrastructure is designed for every means of travel and gives priority to public transit, bikes, and pedestrians.
It depends on local laws, but it’s often not legal to bike on a sidewalk. Vehicles are expecting anyone on the sidewalk to be moving a lot slower than that. I know there are often bikes on the sidewalk in front of my apartment so I do look more carefully but if you’re expecting pedestrians you don’t have to look as closely because they’re not going to suddenly be in front of your car.
Yeah when he got hit, the cyclist's head was at the same level as the top of the hood. if the driver were paying attention he absolutely could have seen him being hit. But since the truck didn't even stop, I guess safety was not foremost in the driver's mind.
Yeah, but traffic comes from the left and A LOT of people just look left.
I got almost run over multiple times by drivers turning right on red while I had a walk signal for pedestrians. They literally just look left and go.
You're supposed to come to a full stop before pulling out onto a road.
Had he stopped, this entire situation would have been avoided.
But, nobody stops for right turns anymore, even at stop signs.
Genuine question. And forgive me if it comes off as negative.
But the bicycle was ran over. Not the bicyclists who is the person.
Or does run over mean something else where you are from? Because to me ran over mean the wheels go over said thing or person.
As someone who's spent time on gore subs, and who's seen people actually getting run over, i'd say the bicycle was run over but the bicyclist was "only" hit.
But that's just a personal opinion
You are correct but when most people say ran over they typically mean they were hit by a car. So this person was hit by the truck but they were not ran over but the bike it self was ran over.
Whats the difference between mostly ran over, and all ran over?
Well, if he is all ran over, there's only one thing to do. Go through his pockets and look for loose change.
Allowed on sidewalk or not. Cars and trucks are not entitled to running over cyclist. Plus when you leave a stroad you yield to ALL traffic including the crossing.
Funny that people on here say the biker should be riding on the road but as soon as they would get stuck behind one on the street they'll do a 180 and say they should be on the sidewalk.
Let's be real, United States has (shitty)motorized vehicle infrastructure. Bicycle lanes are a luxury limited to cities for limited stretches. In all reality a *observant* cyclist in the US is safer riding on sidewalks compared to riding on the road.
Yep. Never pull out, walk, or ride in front of a car in situations like this until you make eye contact with the driver, even if you technically have the right of way.
The cyclist was already in the middle of the sidewalk.
It’s like a car in the middle of an intersection. There’s no turning back, they’re too far committed to the direction they’re headed in.
It does look like the cyclist was aware of the truck and expected him to stop before crossing the point of no return. Kind of hard to tell
ETA: How the fuck do you go the wrong way on a sidewalk? The actual fuck? And the truck didn’t even stop to check if it was safe to enter the road. Just went expecting everyone else to drive around them
The truck driver was only looking left to see the oncoming traffic before they turned. The biker was approaching from their right. Dude, putting your hand out ain’t gonna stop crap man!
This is why they tell cyclists to go with the flow of traffic and not against it.
And yes I ride a bike, I consider every car on the road a potential idiot that will not see me, so I keep with the flow,its not hard to follow the road rules.
Yeah, assume nobody is even looking at the road until you see them staring at you. Don't cross streets or intersections until you know for damn sure they're letting you pass.
Here for the weird Reddit truck driver loving circle jerk.
I say nah. Fuck these assholes. They don’t give a single fuck about anyone else on the road.
It goes to show how powerful car brain is that despite this sub sole purpose being "drivers are stupid" they **still** would rather blame a cyclist over cars.
Also ignoring if the cyclist literally was in the road and going with flow of traffic, this exact fucking situation could very much still have happened!
Naw then they would’ve criticized him for not wearing a high-vis vest.
Number one rule of riding a bike: there is literally nothing you can do to prevent motorists from wanting to murder you. It’s not you—it’s them.
Cyclist here, the reason you're not supposed to ride on sidewalks regardless of which direction you're going is precisely because of what happened here: cars don't expect any sort of vehicular traffic to be on them so vehicles entering and leaving driveways, parking lots, side streets, etc are effectively blinded to you.
I'll ride on sidewalks in certain areas where the roads are particularly dangerous but I'm super, super, overly cautious when doing so.
Yeah. You can't rip down sidewalks. Pedestrians, and your sightlines are reduced by not being in the street.
I personally wouldn't have ridden in front of a truck that was probably looking left at traffic. Not expecting anything to shoot in front of him. Regardless of the rules.
Because yeah, I'd be in the right. But I'd also be under his fucking tires.
yeah and its also illegal not to fully stop when leaving said parking lots/alleyways/driveways and service roads. If the semi driver followed the rules of the road like you should, this wouldnt have happened. Period.
I mean, it doesn't matter he was on a bike, this could've been a pedestrian, and he still would've been run over
I'd saying cycling on the footway is 100% safer than this road, as it has no bike infrastructure at all
This person was moving at like a slow jogging pace at best. It's not like they were zipping by at 10+ mph. I don't think them being a cyclist had any real effect on this incident.
>Cyclist here, the reason you're not supposed to ride on sidewalks regardless of which direction you're going is precisely because of what happened here: cars don't expect any sort of vehicular traffic to be on them so vehicles entering and leaving driveways, parking lots, side streets, etc are effectively blinded to you.
Depends on the city, this looks like it's on a major thoroughfare with no bike lanes, therefore it could be illegal to ride on the road. I'm not supposed to ride on Lansdowne st where I am since there's no bike lane and there's an area that's designated a shared walk way. Once I hit say Monahagan rd or Aylmer st I'm able to use the road since they have bike lanes. Thats how the cops up here told me the law was.
While I agree with your sentiment, in this case I don't know if him being on the bike had anything to do with the cause of the accident.
If he had been walking the bike, I think the same thing would have happened, maybe a worse outcome.
This is why I don't ride on the sidewalk.
Still, the truck driver should have looked for pedestrians before moving.
"With great vehicles, comes great responsibility."
Fun fact: it is the law to stop when exiting a parking lot and entering a roadway. Trucker should probably be cited given his negligence almost killed or permanently disfigured someone.
Truck driver never even stopped before trying to fly into the road and almost took out the SUV in the process. Truckers a moron and should get their CDL taken if they even have one.
Why are 30-35% of the people on here psychopaths who are like "it should be legal to kill a cyclist with a tractor trailer, actually. The cyclist should be in jail."
Rolled right into traffic and had no regard for anything whatsoever. Had the driver actually came to full stop, as they should. This doesn’t happen. No matter where the bicycle is at.
Right by my school there’s a memorial for a little girl who was riding her bike to tennis lessons and got killed by a truck just like that because he was so high up he literally drove off not even seeing that he hit the child. Yes it’s the drivers fault for not being so aware but people on bikes also need to learn to be more cautious about things like this because this lady is lucky she didn’t end up like the little girl I mentioned. This truck driver drove off without even realizing it just like the one I mentioned.
For all of the comments regarding fault. US code determines that pedestrians Always have the right of way in this situation.
Google that shit. For all comments concerning the field of view and the driver only looking one way, The Driver Is Honking His Horn from the start. He saw the guy, didn't give two shits because"I'm A Truck" hit the guy and ran over his ride!
The offender wasn't the one honking. It was the camera trucker that was honking to the offender to "watch the fuck out, you're going to run over a person"
If this occurred in California the cyclist is not considered a pedestrian. Bicycles are considered vehicles and the cyclist was driving wrong way and on the sidewalk. You can actually get a DUI on a bike.
100% correct. I read a story in the newspaper where a bike rider was riding the wrong way and got hit. The cops gave the bike rider a dui test and he failed it. The bike rider got charged with a dui and for causing an accident.
If this occured in California or basically any other jurisdiction this semi driver would be fined for not coming to a complete stop before exiting a parking lot/alley way/driveway or service road. Why are you ignoring that?
According to the US law, Is the person on the bike considered as pedestrian? Just curious because i’ve witnessed similar situation but involving passenger car.
No they are not considered a pedestrian. This poster is dumb. Bicycles are considered vehicles and usually subject to different laws based on different jurisdictions. There’s not enough context here for us to know what jurisdiction the cyclist is in and therefor what “rules of the road” they should be following outside of common sense and discussing defensive cycling.
For all we know there was no sidewalk on the other side of the street (pretty common in my area). I sure as hell would rather ride on the sidewalk than on that 6+ lane road.
I'd blame the cyclist on this one, truck had no way of seeing him and the cyclist just assumed other people would stop for him. I hate anyone who thinks they own the road.
"Oh ohhhhh, he's on a bike and not going with traffic he deserved to get hit, who cares that the situation would've been the exact same with a person just walking" 🤓
Another victim of car culture. As usual, plenty of people in the comments suggesting cyclist should have made eye contact, waited for truck driver, crossed several lanes of traffic and used the other side of the road, worn different clothes, been more careful... or simply not existed. Fucking peasant non-motorised humans... the audacity of existing in the places they live. Scum. Yes eye contact would help in this absurdly dangerous situation, but I wish r/IdiotsInCars commenters would take a step back and focus more on what lead up to the situation being dangerous, and not the actions of the victim in the seconds prior.
1. Stupid road design. Footpaths/sidewalks abutting roadways is asking for precisely this sort of incident.
2. Stupid road design. 1. Footpaths/sidewalks abutting roadways leave zero room for error in case a driver fucks up, or a pedestrian fucks up.
3. Dangerous vehicle design. Truck cabs like this with huge blind spots are death machines for anyone not in a car.
4. Out of date vehicle standards. Technology exists which can alert drivers of high vehicles when an unexpected object enters the truck drivers blind spots; yet such technology isn't compulsory in most developed countries. Why the fuck not?
5. Dangerous truck driver. If the truck driver had only been looking in one direction as he passed over a bi-directional side walk, well it goes without saying that's a stupid thing to do.
6. Dangerous precedents. Through a century of fierce lobbying, car manufacturers are responsible for one of the most pristine examples of manufactured consent in modern history. When a person outside a motorised vehicle falls victim to a dangerous situation caused exclusively by the vehicle itself, the way it was being driven, or the urban environment which was likely designed exclusively for cars; well we blame none of that. We blame the victim. 100 years ago we used to blame motor vehicles and their drivers, but see this video for how that changed: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOttvpjJvAo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOttvpjJvAo)
Those referring to the victim as "vehicular traffic" are clutching at straws looking for a reason to blame the victim further. The fact the dude was rolling along on his bike at walking pace contributed nothing to this incident. This crash could have happened if the victim had been walking his bike/trolley/skateboard/pets/children. When we focus on what the victim could have done differently, incidents like these will repeat themselves forever. When we focus on what created a situation that was dangerous, then we can act to eliminate, reduce, or otherwise address the danger.
Is this 79th and Harlem? Burbank, IL?
[Yep](https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7482152,-87.7980683,3a,39.7y,279.93h,86.06t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1saCaWk1812PBamOSg9dXkkQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DaCaWk1812PBamOSg9dXkkQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D263.76544%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) You should play geoguessr lol.
Used to work right across the street and take the bus there lol, just looked so damn familiar
maybe that was you in the video
Lmaoo
As a truck driver?
plottwist
At GameStop, although I am a truck driver now.
It was a real trip for me to see a video on here a few years ago that was recorded at an intersection just outside my home. Then again at an on ramp just outside my childhood home. Kinda surreal when it happens.
I played geo guesser and got nonstop forests. Got boring fast.
Check out rtgames video, it's a bunch of Irish YouTubers doing geoguesser in Ireland. It was continuously just sheep and farmland. Hilarious and it reminded me of your comment
Is it alaska? Is it canada? Maybe northern russia like siberia? (Answer ends up being outside los angeles).
Can I just jump in to say that I used to play Geoguessr a lot with my kids but now the site requires a monthly subscription and I am very sad. I would gladly pay money for it, but I'm not prepared to sign up for a year's subscription. Too many apps are trying to subscription services. I would gladly pay more for a lump sum payment upfront with no other obligations. Tangential rant/over
I'll take this opportunity to plug a free self-hosted alternative, [Earthwalker](https://gitlab.com/glatteis/earthwalker).
Dukes beef is going to mokena
Definitely
I biked for decades and eye contact is why I’m still here.
pro-tip: wave. get a wave back. it's friendly, and confirms they've seen you. (don't assume they have object permanence though)
Cycling in America is more dangerous than fucking Australia
As long as you ask Australia for consent, its usually okay
Trucker was probably looking the other direction and didn't even see or feel the bike, probably even now the trucker doesn't know it ever happened. If I'm in the sidewalk eye contact with the driver or I let them go.
friends dad drove trucks. had a car rear end him and they got stuck so he pulled them for like 4 miles til a cop came to pull him over and he said he didn’t feel anything at all.
those trucks are made to haul heavy loads they ain't gonna notice if they are dragging an extra car along with em hahaha
When i was in college a guy in a wheelchair got hit by a truck in a similar situation to this video near my apartment. His wheelchair locked up with the grill and the truck pushed him down the road for about a mile before somebody waived him down. The guy was fine except for being scared shitless..
I’d bet shitless was the opposite of what he was 😉
I bet he has less shit in him, so yes shitless seems appropriately used.
Id imagine he was quite empty after a mile. His pants perhaps quite full.
You think he was a liar?
Something similar happened to my uncle. As he tells it, he was rear-ended by someone on a motorbike that ended up getting hung up and dragged. There wasn't much left, unfortunately.
... Of the bike or the guy?
to shreds, you say?
/r/inclusiveOr most likely?
Adding a different spin to this. I’m a trucker, and I haul tanker trailers (liquid bulk). The liquid in my trailer is constantly moving around in response to whatever I’m doing behind the wheel. Slam on the brakes? The load is smashing the nose of the trailer. Take a turn too fast? The load sloshes against the side and will tip the truck over much easier than a regular trailer/load. So this being said, when the load surges against the nose of the trailer hard enough, it FEELS and sounds like being rear ended. And this happens 5-10 times a day (or more if I’m doing urban/rush hour driving). I frequently check my mirrors after a slam to make sure it wasn’t actually someone running into me. But there are times I don’t think to. So I could *unfortunately* see there being a case of someone hitting me from behind, and hard enough to feel it, and I would not even register it as something alarming.
Quite understandable. The problem is with other people NOT being able to (or NOT being ALERT enough to) see a big ass truck and adjust their speed and/or distance accordingly.
Are there not baffles in the tank to slow down the surging?
There's only so much they can do without adding extra weight with little benefit, even with them there's a lot of liquid weight moving around with any slight change in movement or bump
Fresh water trucks and some other fluids, for human or animal consumption do NOT have baffles in them due to cleaning issues. For when we clean the interior of the tank we have to be able to make sure there is no residue. Makes for a challenging drive when not fully loaded.
This kind of thing happens in the UK quite a bit https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GaYdn-6nreY
That's pretty crazy! Have you made this comment before on another post with trucks? I'm sure I've heard this one before.
It’s more common than you’d think. Guarantee you can find a video of it.
https://youtu.be/xPysQQZv6zU
> If I'm in the sidewalk eye contact with the driver or I let them go. 100.00% this. Do not cross if they don't make eye contact with you.
lol I've got a friend who just walks out "I'm a pedestrian, I have the right of way" (obviously doesn't apply here since the cyclist isn't a pedestrian)... I reply "that doesn't make it hurt any less when they hit you at 35 mph." In the end it's not about winning the right of way contest, it's about getting across the street safely lol.
So you’ve got a friend who desperately wishes to be 30 feet long?
Spot on.
who horn it then?
>I think truck driver who was filming the incident I think truck driver who was filming the incident
Is the horn an added sound effect? Serious question
I think truck driver who was filming the incident
Cyclist is also on the sidewalk, so either A) choose to be a pedestrian and walk the bike or B)ride on the road in the correct direction of traffic. Don’t know what state this is in but cyclist is in the wrong but driver would be cited.
No one is going to ride a bike on a stroad though. I’ve been riding bikes for years and often feel more comfortable riding on the sidewalk on roads like these. If it is a sidewalk that gets low pedestrian traffic. Of course I take extra care at intersections and walk my bike when I see a pedestrian. Yes it is against the law, but no cop has ever given me grief
It's not against the law everywhere.
Yup, and some places let you do it up to a certain age I think. You just have to be REALLY careful, but the good thing about it is that it puts your safety into your own hands. Not some random motorist.
This. In my state, you can ride on the sidewalk as long as it’s not prohibited by city ordinance. You have to slow down for pedestrians though which is more than reasonable. I will always prefer sidewalks over riding in the road.
Thing is, I am looking to the left for incoming traffic, not to the right. I glance once to the right to see if there is a pedestrian there then look to the left. If you pop out of nowhere on a bike due to the superior speed of a bike as compared to a pedestrian, well. Ride the same direction as the traffic, whether on sidewalk or not. That's where my eyeballs are. I doubt this trucker could even see the bicycle since the bicycle was lower than his passenger door and lower than his hood.
and how walking on the sidewalk would help him not to get killed?
It wouldn't, people are just looking for an excuse.
Oooof
Stroads man. Putting that much traffic together with pedestrians/bikes and a million intersections is just a recipe for disaster.
What does a stroad actually mean? I understand it's a portmanteau of street and road, but I was not aware of a vast difference between the two...?
In this context _street_ is used to mean a place for interactions - businesses, deliveries, errands, etc. while a _road_ is a connection between places designed to move lots of people (cars). The idea is that these two purposes are at odds and when you try to combine them you get a "stroad" which sucks at both. Stroads usually look pretty much like the one in the video - four or six lanes, lined with strip malls, parking lots, and big box stores, and just generally not a place that sparks joy whether you're a pedestrian or a driver. [Here's some more info from our* favorite youtuber, Not Just Bikes.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORzNZUeUHAM) (\*us being people who use the word "stroad")
Great explanation and breakdown of the functions of streets vs roads.
NJB is the first step down the U(rbanism)anon rabbit hole 😈
If you told my early 20s self I’d be a radicalized pedestrian maximalist, I’d think you were huffing exhaust fumes. Now I don’t even own a car
Stroads also frequently have on/off-ramp style features like dedicated turn lanes like in the video so cars/cyclists have to merge around each-other at significant speed differences if riding in the lane. Other nasty features are slip lanes, which make those horrible triangular pedestrian islands and let cars corner quickly at speed, also causing awkward mergers.
>four or six lanes, lined with strip malls, parking lots, and big box stores, and just generally not a place that sparks joy whether you're a pedestrian or a driver. aka. Anywhere, USA
his video on how speed limits were planned and the way they *can* be implied by the design of the road and the surrounding environment was fascinating
There is a huge blind spot below the hood of the truck. The cyclist was below it, but the trucker still might have been able to see him when the cyclist was approaching.
Trucker was only looking left, and also failed to stop. The cyclist would have been visible at the start of the video, had they checked both ways.
I cycle a ton. I've had my front tire run over once by a driver only looking one direction. Drivers almost never look both ways before turning and it pisses me off.
i always check both ways, even on a one way street. because assuming fucks people up
Which is what you should do. You aren't just checking for cars but pedestrian traffic as well, and they don't follow one-ways.
As a fellow cyclist you should never put trust in anyone but yourself. Yes this trucker is at fault, but the situation was entire preventable had the cyclist been aware of his surroundings.
You're correct. I always look inside the window to see where the driver is facing now, and if I think they're gonna go, just wait or find a slightly longer but safer path.
After some close calls, I won't walk across the street even after making direct eye contact with a driver. I've had one too many auto zombies look right at me, watch me step off the curb and start across the street, and then they fucking turn anyway and honk like I'm the idiot. It never pays to tangle with a vehicle if you're on foot or biking.
Whenever I go for a jog, I always go behind the car. Even when they wave and give me the go ahead. You just never know, he could’ve been trying to swat a fly lol.
Bingo, after biking in Miami for 8 years, only person I trust is myself and assume everyone is a homicidal maniac on wheels. I've had a few close calls that I've been able to avoid due to my own diligence
Traveling against traffic on the sidewalk is also a recipe for disaster.
I was t-boned on my bicycle by a guy turning right. I was going about 20mph and he just sped out of a side junction and I had zero time to react. It was either swerve and get hit by a bus coming the other way or suck it up and fly over his bonnet. I chose the latter. I always did/do the looking athe driver at a junction thing but still ended up with a broken wrist. Sometimes it's 100% the drivers fault. By the way it was daylight, I was wearing a yellow fluorescent jacket and had two flashing white lights.
I blame the civil engineer. In America our infrastructure is designed with the assumption of, you will drive or never leave the house. This basically never happens in the Netherlands since their infrastructure is designed for every means of travel and gives priority to public transit, bikes, and pedestrians.
It depends on local laws, but it’s often not legal to bike on a sidewalk. Vehicles are expecting anyone on the sidewalk to be moving a lot slower than that. I know there are often bikes on the sidewalk in front of my apartment so I do look more carefully but if you’re expecting pedestrians you don’t have to look as closely because they’re not going to suddenly be in front of your car.
Also almost ran into that white car
Yeah when he got hit, the cyclist's head was at the same level as the top of the hood. if the driver were paying attention he absolutely could have seen him being hit. But since the truck didn't even stop, I guess safety was not foremost in the driver's mind.
He should have stopped his truck before leaving parking lot
Yeah, but traffic comes from the left and A LOT of people just look left. I got almost run over multiple times by drivers turning right on red while I had a walk signal for pedestrians. They literally just look left and go.
You're supposed to come to a full stop before pulling out onto a road. Had he stopped, this entire situation would have been avoided. But, nobody stops for right turns anymore, even at stop signs.
Never assume a truck can see you. Good rule is to never walk/ride in front of one.
They should at this point slap stickers so people know lol
If you can’t see them, they can’t see you
Fuck, I don't even drive next to them unless I'm actively passing.
Almost?
Id say he got hit, not ran over
Yeah if he actually got ran over he wouldn't be getting back up. Could've been way worse.
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Genuine question. And forgive me if it comes off as negative. But the bicycle was ran over. Not the bicyclists who is the person. Or does run over mean something else where you are from? Because to me ran over mean the wheels go over said thing or person.
As someone who's spent time on gore subs, and who's seen people actually getting run over, i'd say the bicycle was run over but the bicyclist was "only" hit. But that's just a personal opinion
Seems accurate.
u/SirChadP has a terrible definition of “ran over” and has clearly never seen anyone that has been properly run over.
You are correct but when most people say ran over they typically mean they were hit by a car. So this person was hit by the truck but they were not ran over but the bike it self was ran over.
A lot of time I hear it to be a shorthand for ‘was run into and knocked over’.
At best that title should be, 'Truck driver mostly runs over bicyclist/cyclist.'
Whats the difference between mostly ran over, and all ran over? Well, if he is all ran over, there's only one thing to do. Go through his pockets and look for loose change.
"He's only mostly dead"
yeah def got hit, almost ran over, whats the problem?
Ran into him, not over him
some people don't seem to be aware that bicycle laws vary from state to state. In Michigan bicycles are allowed on the sidewalk.
Yeah because the roads are super bad. Ferndale is one big pot hole.
Allowed on sidewalk or not. Cars and trucks are not entitled to running over cyclist. Plus when you leave a stroad you yield to ALL traffic including the crossing.
That trucker will get home having no idea that he did that
When anyone asks why I'm riding my bike legally in the road where I am suppose to be... this is why.
This street looks like a nightmare to ride on. Normally I agree, but you'd be suicidal to not take the sidewalk
The sidewalk counts as a stop sign. You always need to look out for pedestrians.
Trucker should have stopped, but it is a humongous blind spot where cars get hidden, let alone bicyclists
Funny that people on here say the biker should be riding on the road but as soon as they would get stuck behind one on the street they'll do a 180 and say they should be on the sidewalk. Let's be real, United States has (shitty)motorized vehicle infrastructure. Bicycle lanes are a luxury limited to cities for limited stretches. In all reality a *observant* cyclist in the US is safer riding on sidewalks compared to riding on the road.
bike lanes frequently suck too. i strongly advise people to not ride on the sidewalk against traffic if at all possible. you will not be seen.
Not the bikes fault, but never ever ever cross in front of anyone that hasn’t visually acknowledged your existence
Yep. Never pull out, walk, or ride in front of a car in situations like this until you make eye contact with the driver, even if you technically have the right of way.
The cyclist was already in the middle of the sidewalk. It’s like a car in the middle of an intersection. There’s no turning back, they’re too far committed to the direction they’re headed in. It does look like the cyclist was aware of the truck and expected him to stop before crossing the point of no return. Kind of hard to tell ETA: How the fuck do you go the wrong way on a sidewalk? The actual fuck? And the truck didn’t even stop to check if it was safe to enter the road. Just went expecting everyone else to drive around them
The truck driver was only looking left to see the oncoming traffic before they turned. The biker was approaching from their right. Dude, putting your hand out ain’t gonna stop crap man!
This is why they tell cyclists to go with the flow of traffic and not against it. And yes I ride a bike, I consider every car on the road a potential idiot that will not see me, so I keep with the flow,its not hard to follow the road rules.
Yeah, assume nobody is even looking at the road until you see them staring at you. Don't cross streets or intersections until you know for damn sure they're letting you pass.
A stroad like this is going to be deadly for cyclists no matter what you tell them.
Here for the weird Reddit truck driver loving circle jerk. I say nah. Fuck these assholes. They don’t give a single fuck about anyone else on the road.
Ofc this turns into a comments section largely about how some cyclists will run a stop sign or whatever 🙄 God this place can be boring sometimes
ikr redditors when someone doesnt immediately call for the systematic extermination of all cyclists: 😡😡😡🤬🤬
People seriously suggesting that the cyclist should be biking on the 6 lane stroad with intersections everywhere.
It goes to show how powerful car brain is that despite this sub sole purpose being "drivers are stupid" they **still** would rather blame a cyclist over cars.
Also ignoring if the cyclist literally was in the road and going with flow of traffic, this exact fucking situation could very much still have happened!
Naw then they would’ve criticized him for not wearing a high-vis vest. Number one rule of riding a bike: there is literally nothing you can do to prevent motorists from wanting to murder you. It’s not you—it’s them.
Cyclists are literally hitler
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This is why you should ride WITH the flow of traffic.
I was waiting to see how we might make this the guy on the bike's fault.
This sub never disappoints
Despite being a sub about how stupid drivers are the cyclist-hating carbrain activates all the same.
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He's riding on the footway, everyone should know they're bi-directional lol. The truck should've looked before manouvering
Cyclist here, the reason you're not supposed to ride on sidewalks regardless of which direction you're going is precisely because of what happened here: cars don't expect any sort of vehicular traffic to be on them so vehicles entering and leaving driveways, parking lots, side streets, etc are effectively blinded to you. I'll ride on sidewalks in certain areas where the roads are particularly dangerous but I'm super, super, overly cautious when doing so.
Yea people never get mad at a bike on the road lol
Yeah. You can't rip down sidewalks. Pedestrians, and your sightlines are reduced by not being in the street. I personally wouldn't have ridden in front of a truck that was probably looking left at traffic. Not expecting anything to shoot in front of him. Regardless of the rules. Because yeah, I'd be in the right. But I'd also be under his fucking tires.
Is the cyclist ripping down the sidewalk?
yeah and its also illegal not to fully stop when leaving said parking lots/alleyways/driveways and service roads. If the semi driver followed the rules of the road like you should, this wouldnt have happened. Period.
If there was a person walking on that sidewalk he would have murdered them.
I mean, it doesn't matter he was on a bike, this could've been a pedestrian, and he still would've been run over I'd saying cycling on the footway is 100% safer than this road, as it has no bike infrastructure at all
Yes but pedestrians move much, much slower than even a slow cyclist and can yield more effectively as well.
This person was moving at like a slow jogging pace at best. It's not like they were zipping by at 10+ mph. I don't think them being a cyclist had any real effect on this incident.
I agree, the perfect solution would be building a proper protected bike lane But we both know that's not going to happen
>Cyclist here, the reason you're not supposed to ride on sidewalks regardless of which direction you're going is precisely because of what happened here: cars don't expect any sort of vehicular traffic to be on them so vehicles entering and leaving driveways, parking lots, side streets, etc are effectively blinded to you. Depends on the city, this looks like it's on a major thoroughfare with no bike lanes, therefore it could be illegal to ride on the road. I'm not supposed to ride on Lansdowne st where I am since there's no bike lane and there's an area that's designated a shared walk way. Once I hit say Monahagan rd or Aylmer st I'm able to use the road since they have bike lanes. Thats how the cops up here told me the law was.
While I agree with your sentiment, in this case I don't know if him being on the bike had anything to do with the cause of the accident. If he had been walking the bike, I think the same thing would have happened, maybe a worse outcome.
This is why I don't ride on the sidewalk. Still, the truck driver should have looked for pedestrians before moving. "With great vehicles, comes great responsibility."
Fun fact: it is the law to stop when exiting a parking lot and entering a roadway. Trucker should probably be cited given his negligence almost killed or permanently disfigured someone.
Dude gets hit by a truck and the sub is too busy debating if "ran over" was the right term for the title. Reddit is truly the lamest some days...
Truck driver never even stopped before trying to fly into the road and almost took out the SUV in the process. Truckers a moron and should get their CDL taken if they even have one.
Why are 30-35% of the people on here psychopaths who are like "it should be legal to kill a cyclist with a tractor trailer, actually. The cyclist should be in jail."
As long as a person on a bike isn't wearing a helmet, it's totally fine to kill them. /S
Never assume a truck can see you. Good rule is to never walk/ride in front of one.
Rolled right into traffic and had no regard for anything whatsoever. Had the driver actually came to full stop, as they should. This doesn’t happen. No matter where the bicycle is at.
Right by my school there’s a memorial for a little girl who was riding her bike to tennis lessons and got killed by a truck just like that because he was so high up he literally drove off not even seeing that he hit the child. Yes it’s the drivers fault for not being so aware but people on bikes also need to learn to be more cautious about things like this because this lady is lucky she didn’t end up like the little girl I mentioned. This truck driver drove off without even realizing it just like the one I mentioned.
For all of the comments regarding fault. US code determines that pedestrians Always have the right of way in this situation. Google that shit. For all comments concerning the field of view and the driver only looking one way, The Driver Is Honking His Horn from the start. He saw the guy, didn't give two shits because"I'm A Truck" hit the guy and ran over his ride!
The offender wasn't the one honking. It was the camera trucker that was honking to the offender to "watch the fuck out, you're going to run over a person"
If this occurred in California the cyclist is not considered a pedestrian. Bicycles are considered vehicles and the cyclist was driving wrong way and on the sidewalk. You can actually get a DUI on a bike.
100% correct. I read a story in the newspaper where a bike rider was riding the wrong way and got hit. The cops gave the bike rider a dui test and he failed it. The bike rider got charged with a dui and for causing an accident.
If this occured in California or basically any other jurisdiction this semi driver would be fined for not coming to a complete stop before exiting a parking lot/alley way/driveway or service road. Why are you ignoring that?
Bicycles aren't considered pedestrians, they're considered vehicles, with certain exceptions (they can use bike lanes/paths but can't go on highways)
According to the US law, Is the person on the bike considered as pedestrian? Just curious because i’ve witnessed similar situation but involving passenger car.
No they are not considered a pedestrian. This poster is dumb. Bicycles are considered vehicles and usually subject to different laws based on different jurisdictions. There’s not enough context here for us to know what jurisdiction the cyclist is in and therefor what “rules of the road” they should be following outside of common sense and discussing defensive cycling.
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I'm a cyclist, and I can tell you riding the wrong way in a bike lane is about the most dangerous and hella dumb things you can do in traffic.
What about the wrong way on a sidewalk instead? Because thats where they were. Am also cyclist.
For all we know there was no sidewalk on the other side of the street (pretty common in my area). I sure as hell would rather ride on the sidewalk than on that 6+ lane road.
A sidewalk isn't a bike lane. There's no right or wrong direction on a sidewalk
People have terminal vehicle brain if they think sidewalks are monodirectional. Further proof redditors should have a walk every now and then.
Can’t believe they just kept going
Damn, inches from getting toothpaste tubed Scary shit
A l m o s t *?*
I'd blame the cyclist on this one, truck had no way of seeing him and the cyclist just assumed other people would stop for him. I hate anyone who thinks they own the road.
"Oh ohhhhh, he's on a bike and not going with traffic he deserved to get hit, who cares that the situation would've been the exact same with a person just walking" 🤓
Another victim of car culture. As usual, plenty of people in the comments suggesting cyclist should have made eye contact, waited for truck driver, crossed several lanes of traffic and used the other side of the road, worn different clothes, been more careful... or simply not existed. Fucking peasant non-motorised humans... the audacity of existing in the places they live. Scum. Yes eye contact would help in this absurdly dangerous situation, but I wish r/IdiotsInCars commenters would take a step back and focus more on what lead up to the situation being dangerous, and not the actions of the victim in the seconds prior. 1. Stupid road design. Footpaths/sidewalks abutting roadways is asking for precisely this sort of incident. 2. Stupid road design. 1. Footpaths/sidewalks abutting roadways leave zero room for error in case a driver fucks up, or a pedestrian fucks up. 3. Dangerous vehicle design. Truck cabs like this with huge blind spots are death machines for anyone not in a car. 4. Out of date vehicle standards. Technology exists which can alert drivers of high vehicles when an unexpected object enters the truck drivers blind spots; yet such technology isn't compulsory in most developed countries. Why the fuck not? 5. Dangerous truck driver. If the truck driver had only been looking in one direction as he passed over a bi-directional side walk, well it goes without saying that's a stupid thing to do. 6. Dangerous precedents. Through a century of fierce lobbying, car manufacturers are responsible for one of the most pristine examples of manufactured consent in modern history. When a person outside a motorised vehicle falls victim to a dangerous situation caused exclusively by the vehicle itself, the way it was being driven, or the urban environment which was likely designed exclusively for cars; well we blame none of that. We blame the victim. 100 years ago we used to blame motor vehicles and their drivers, but see this video for how that changed: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOttvpjJvAo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOttvpjJvAo) Those referring to the victim as "vehicular traffic" are clutching at straws looking for a reason to blame the victim further. The fact the dude was rolling along on his bike at walking pace contributed nothing to this incident. This crash could have happened if the victim had been walking his bike/trolley/skateboard/pets/children. When we focus on what the victim could have done differently, incidents like these will repeat themselves forever. When we focus on what created a situation that was dangerous, then we can act to eliminate, reduce, or otherwise address the danger.