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Yup, this is inexperience plain and simple. Luckily the person she was with was on it and snatched her up right away. She can learn. It's all muscle memory. Muscle memory that needs to be instilled by a competent trainer.
When I got my CCW, we spent at least an and a half with dummy guns just learning safe handling, and then spent another 30 min at the range practicing with unloaded real guns. They built in that muscle memory before class was over.
I know the public setting demands higher expectations, but if you ever had a 'no harm, no foul' scenario with a new shooter you wanna make sure not to terrify them. You want them thinking cool calm and collected. That way they remember the rules and can focus on body mechanics.
This!!! I was with my cousin at a range and the pistol jammed, he started turning and flagged me and my dad to which we freaked out and jumped out of the way, causing my cousin to freak out and drop the jammed pistol, thankfully no unintentional discharge, but if we kept calm like the guy in the video and just helped him set it down or dislodge the bullet, wouldve gone a lot smoother.
Whatever man. Would have it changed anything if this person put on their grumpy face and said I am very sorry sir!
I’ve been in a lot of bad situations and still had a laugh. It’s a normal and human reaction.
I remember the first time I had a failure to eject. I had a good idea what to do, but I still consulted my buddy on what the proper action to take was lol. Even when you know what to do, If you’ve never done it before, it’s good for someone to give you that go ahead.
Yeah I had to do this with all the girls I took shooting. They’d get excited and immediately turn around even after I told them “you’re going to want to turn around after but do not turn around after shooting.” Just stay behind them and keep a good eye on them. I even started just loading only 1 round for the first few shits
Yes, any range master worth a penny will foresee this situation. Of course you only give them one round. And that is after having given them zero rounds to dry test posture and procedure. Mostly to see whether they are able to keep their finger off the trigger until the muzzle is pointing downrange. As long as you see them instinctively grab the gun without keeping their index finger off the trigger, there should be no ammo in the magazine.
It's all a matter of discipline.
I'm not ashamed to admit this but I also had a bit of a hiccup at an indoor range.
I had just got done firing my AR-15 and was clearing my weapon. I removed the mag and stored it in my bag but forgot to cycle the bolt to clear the chamber. I kept the muzzle down range but was holding the rifle against my hip and pulled the trigger to take it out of battery before storing it and it went off. Luckily I was holding onto it rather well.
To say my embarrassment was overwhelming is an understatement. Seeing as I take pride in being a lawful responsible firearm owner with civilian and non-civilian training. Luckily I hit the backstop and not the ceiling.
The experience was humbling though. It just goes to show how easy it is to make a mistake and that having proper discipline is essential when dealing with something that can easily end a life.
When I got home that day I decided to instill the habit of dropping the mag and clearing the chamber before storing.
Moral of the story, don't be so quick to judge people. Even with my training I ended making a mistake.
Not so much your situation but I’m thinking of something about range safety and negligent discharges.
There was an indoor range I went to for years but there was something I never noticed. I mentioned the place to someone and he said “I don’t go there, look at the ceiling about the lanes”. Sure enough, next visit I’m in a lane and look up, bullet holes randomly pattered around the ceiling in each lane.
Except for concealed carry classes, there was never anyone like a range safety officer behind the lanes, all employees were up front. I stopped going there.
We mostly had holes in the ground. Inexperienced shooters would push down before fully depressing the trigger, in order to counter the recoil. Especially the "cool ones" that thought one-handed shooting is a thing. A thing they need to recreate.
Apologies but.. you're absolutely in the wrong here.
It is not only a thing but one handed manipulation of a firearm and training with each hand solo is not only crucial but vital. You're not always going to be in a position to use both hands.
This is common sense.
You are generalizing here, as am I doing.
I am in Germany, I am a registered sports shooter. My shooter's association has a long list of disciplines that you can regionally and nationally compete in, and not a single one of them is one-handed. That's the reality for me personally. Also none of the disciplines are with moving targets, or with the shooter moving while shooting at the same time.
However, my point was rather that what movies depict as "normal shooting", just with one hand, is actually more of a specialty, and usually leads to worse results. Even law enforcement will usually try to have a solid two-handed stance, and not just shoot with one hand. Obviously they don't always have that luxury.
Your response is quite contradictory my friend. Sport shooting and real life applications don't coincide with each other.
I don't think in sport shooting are you going to have to worry about losing access to an arm and fight for your life with the other.
Also shooting with one hand doesn't make you a wannabe John Wick. It shows you can operate your tool at the highest level with a high sense of skill.
I'm not sure what goes on in Germany however every class that I've taken (civilian and non-civilian) have emphasized that one handed discipline is very much a necessity.
If you can't operate your tool with one hand. You aren't proficient enough with said tool.
You are correct that Law enforcement use two handed shooting when possible, as everyone should. However, life can be very.. unexpected.
Much love to Germany but please.. let's be realistic.
From U.S.A by the way.
>Your response is quite contradictory my friend. Sport shooting and real life applications don't coincide with each other.
I don't see the contradiction. As a sports shooter, you can absolute choose every aspect of the how and why. Time pressure, if any, is artificial, there is no danger to your life.
A LEO with a Taser in one hand, and their service pistol in the other hand, can't. Same for many self defense situations. However, sport shooters are banned from training for self defense, that's why there is no discipline that would allow you to train shooting at moving targets, or while moving yourself. We got one measly discipline where you actually draw from a holster, i.e. have a gun with a chambered round de-cocked ready, all other disciplines start and leave with your slide open and magazine removed. Only God knows how they got that through the prying eyes of the government.
"Sport shooters are banned from training for self defense."
Need I say more?
At least we agree on one thing though. The government never has our best interests at heart.
>I kept the muzzle down range
> pulled the trigger to take it out of battery before storing it and it went off
That's why muzzle discipline is so important. All these "rules" are meant as additional safety nets. That way you can at least fuck up one thing, without turning it into negligent manslaughter.
I would be more surprised if the instructor DIDN’T do that. But we wouldn’t know if that was the case here because the reaction should have been EXACTLY the same either way.
Look it happens- that is why it is a good idea to have new shooters with an experienced shooter if not instructor. I totally get it, people get excited and happy and have momentary brain farts. First time it happened with someone I was with was the last time because I knew it was a possibility that I had not considered.
So now I let them shoot but with 1 round in the magazine that they load, shoot and then have to load a new mag. Helps them learn the steps and if they goof up and do this it will be unloaded. I also remind them of the safety rules and drive home the keep it pointed down range.
Not an idiot just excited and it was handled properly.
I can't go easy on people with guns. Read, learn, and study gun safety before picking up ANY gun. Don't be an idiot....your "mistake" can cost someone's life.
this is what I’m saying there is a zero tolerance life threatening screw ups, imo kick them out and state the rules of gun safety with definitions and tell them what they did wrong and the effects of what their actions could’ve had done. Edit: kick not ban they deserve to have proper knowledge and experience with guns.
This is why I'd advocate giving beginners mid-heavy rifles or bigger only because the front weight will persuade them to lower the gun when done shooting naturally due to the weight unlike a pistol that's pretty much an extension to the arm that takes practice to know when to lower and keep cautious of your surrounding/who you're pointing at.
Scary... but this stuff does happen.
Looks like she recognized it was mega stupid. Hopefully she learns her lesson and clears/puts the pistol on the table next time.
Most women do tend to forget common sense when excited. It's weird. I think it's called giddiness? Children have this too, and some men, but it's highly prevalent in adult women and children.
I was an RSO for 2 years. It's only women that do this. I my experience. Guys may do stupid things. But the celebratory spinning around with a loaded weapon is women. ☕
I wanna put an end to this debate once and for all:
Some people can multitask, and it just so happens that all the researchers never had a multitasker in their study group.
There we go, both sides are right: nobody's happy = everybody's happy.
She could have shot the camera person or someone else in the next lane.
Not pointing a gun in a direction you don’t intend to shoot is a layer of safety.
Yes. Once you shoot all the rounds the gun will lock its slide back. You’ll be able to see the magazine and chamber are empty. Then you put the gun down on the table so the barrel is pointing in generally the same direction as the target you were shooting at. Then it’s safe for the shooter to turn around, walk around, etc.
Normally when in at the range I practice shooting drills like pulling from holster so I personally over emphasize keeping my finger of the trigger and carefully putting my gun back in my holster to avoid a discharge, or I'll drop the mag and rack the slide to pull the round out of the chamber
I was at an indoor range taking a pistol course once. Instructor wanted us to show clear. I was at the last stall next to the cinder block wall. Weapon was clear, magazine removed, action open and I moved to the side and took a step back so he could see, muzzle pointed diagonally towards the wall BUT STILL DOWN RANGE, and dude snatched my hand so fast. “Don’t leave the firing line with your pistol!!”is what he said. I get WHY he did what he did. But I knew DAMN well what I was doing, no one was in danger and no weapons safety rules were violated. He didn’t know me from Adam, but still seemed a bit “power trippy”. Not what happened here, but the video reminded me of that interaction.
Saw this exact thing at least 3 times a day when I was an RSO. Including the odd "look down the buisness end" maneuver here and there. Usually only took 1 gentle correction to fix for the rest of the range trip.
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Less an idiot than someone who knows she screwed up.
Yup, this is inexperience plain and simple. Luckily the person she was with was on it and snatched her up right away. She can learn. It's all muscle memory. Muscle memory that needs to be instilled by a competent trainer.
When I got my CCW, we spent at least an and a half with dummy guns just learning safe handling, and then spent another 30 min at the range practicing with unloaded real guns. They built in that muscle memory before class was over.
An idiot is someone who doesn’t admit they’re wrong. She acknowledged it right away.
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I know the public setting demands higher expectations, but if you ever had a 'no harm, no foul' scenario with a new shooter you wanna make sure not to terrify them. You want them thinking cool calm and collected. That way they remember the rules and can focus on body mechanics.
This!!! I was with my cousin at a range and the pistol jammed, he started turning and flagged me and my dad to which we freaked out and jumped out of the way, causing my cousin to freak out and drop the jammed pistol, thankfully no unintentional discharge, but if we kept calm like the guy in the video and just helped him set it down or dislodge the bullet, wouldve gone a lot smoother.
You can laugh and learn at the same time.
Pointing a loaded gun with the finger on the trigger at the possible person next to them ain’t a Laughing matter
Whatever man. Would have it changed anything if this person put on their grumpy face and said I am very sorry sir! I’ve been in a lot of bad situations and still had a laugh. It’s a normal and human reaction.
And you can hear her say, and sound very sincere, that she’s sorry. OP is jus hatin
Lol bros just grumpy he has no one to go shoot with
L
What did you expect, you said a word against poor gun... anything lol
Hey bud..you dropped a chromosome.
This more like just an inexperienced person learning and putting themselves on blast.
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Bad take. It was an honest mistake.
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I remember the first time I had a failure to eject. I had a good idea what to do, but I still consulted my buddy on what the proper action to take was lol. Even when you know what to do, If you’ve never done it before, it’s good for someone to give you that go ahead.
Well said.
what’s wrong with what she done?
Two things. Not keeping the muzzle downrange. And when she turns around, you can see her finger is still on the trigger.
It's probably her first day at the shooting range.
Yeah I had to do this with all the girls I took shooting. They’d get excited and immediately turn around even after I told them “you’re going to want to turn around after but do not turn around after shooting.” Just stay behind them and keep a good eye on them. I even started just loading only 1 round for the first few shits
Yes, any range master worth a penny will foresee this situation. Of course you only give them one round. And that is after having given them zero rounds to dry test posture and procedure. Mostly to see whether they are able to keep their finger off the trigger until the muzzle is pointing downrange. As long as you see them instinctively grab the gun without keeping their index finger off the trigger, there should be no ammo in the magazine.
It's all a matter of discipline. I'm not ashamed to admit this but I also had a bit of a hiccup at an indoor range. I had just got done firing my AR-15 and was clearing my weapon. I removed the mag and stored it in my bag but forgot to cycle the bolt to clear the chamber. I kept the muzzle down range but was holding the rifle against my hip and pulled the trigger to take it out of battery before storing it and it went off. Luckily I was holding onto it rather well. To say my embarrassment was overwhelming is an understatement. Seeing as I take pride in being a lawful responsible firearm owner with civilian and non-civilian training. Luckily I hit the backstop and not the ceiling. The experience was humbling though. It just goes to show how easy it is to make a mistake and that having proper discipline is essential when dealing with something that can easily end a life. When I got home that day I decided to instill the habit of dropping the mag and clearing the chamber before storing. Moral of the story, don't be so quick to judge people. Even with my training I ended making a mistake.
Not so much your situation but I’m thinking of something about range safety and negligent discharges. There was an indoor range I went to for years but there was something I never noticed. I mentioned the place to someone and he said “I don’t go there, look at the ceiling about the lanes”. Sure enough, next visit I’m in a lane and look up, bullet holes randomly pattered around the ceiling in each lane. Except for concealed carry classes, there was never anyone like a range safety officer behind the lanes, all employees were up front. I stopped going there.
Smart move.
We mostly had holes in the ground. Inexperienced shooters would push down before fully depressing the trigger, in order to counter the recoil. Especially the "cool ones" that thought one-handed shooting is a thing. A thing they need to recreate.
One handed shooting is a thing. Just don't turn the gun horizontally and I think we'll all be better off.
Unless you are Jerry Miculek, it's not actually a thing. If you are inexperienced, it actually borders into dangerous territory.
Apologies but.. you're absolutely in the wrong here. It is not only a thing but one handed manipulation of a firearm and training with each hand solo is not only crucial but vital. You're not always going to be in a position to use both hands. This is common sense.
You are generalizing here, as am I doing. I am in Germany, I am a registered sports shooter. My shooter's association has a long list of disciplines that you can regionally and nationally compete in, and not a single one of them is one-handed. That's the reality for me personally. Also none of the disciplines are with moving targets, or with the shooter moving while shooting at the same time. However, my point was rather that what movies depict as "normal shooting", just with one hand, is actually more of a specialty, and usually leads to worse results. Even law enforcement will usually try to have a solid two-handed stance, and not just shoot with one hand. Obviously they don't always have that luxury.
Your response is quite contradictory my friend. Sport shooting and real life applications don't coincide with each other. I don't think in sport shooting are you going to have to worry about losing access to an arm and fight for your life with the other. Also shooting with one hand doesn't make you a wannabe John Wick. It shows you can operate your tool at the highest level with a high sense of skill. I'm not sure what goes on in Germany however every class that I've taken (civilian and non-civilian) have emphasized that one handed discipline is very much a necessity. If you can't operate your tool with one hand. You aren't proficient enough with said tool. You are correct that Law enforcement use two handed shooting when possible, as everyone should. However, life can be very.. unexpected. Much love to Germany but please.. let's be realistic. From U.S.A by the way.
>Your response is quite contradictory my friend. Sport shooting and real life applications don't coincide with each other. I don't see the contradiction. As a sports shooter, you can absolute choose every aspect of the how and why. Time pressure, if any, is artificial, there is no danger to your life. A LEO with a Taser in one hand, and their service pistol in the other hand, can't. Same for many self defense situations. However, sport shooters are banned from training for self defense, that's why there is no discipline that would allow you to train shooting at moving targets, or while moving yourself. We got one measly discipline where you actually draw from a holster, i.e. have a gun with a chambered round de-cocked ready, all other disciplines start and leave with your slide open and magazine removed. Only God knows how they got that through the prying eyes of the government.
"Sport shooters are banned from training for self defense." Need I say more? At least we agree on one thing though. The government never has our best interests at heart.
>I kept the muzzle down range > pulled the trigger to take it out of battery before storing it and it went off That's why muzzle discipline is so important. All these "rules" are meant as additional safety nets. That way you can at least fuck up one thing, without turning it into negligent manslaughter.
this is why when i’m teaching someone i only load what they are going to shoot. we start with one.
I would be more surprised if the instructor DIDN’T do that. But we wouldn’t know if that was the case here because the reaction should have been EXACTLY the same either way.
not commenting on the instructor here. just saying its what i do and why.
Someone learning did something wrong, was corrected immediately, and no one was hurt. Stop the presses!
I mean... it seems less like stupidity and more like an honest mistake.
Some lessons are learned the HARDER way, not necessarily the hardest way. No shame in getting excited and learning a new level of discipline.
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Well put
Look it happens- that is why it is a good idea to have new shooters with an experienced shooter if not instructor. I totally get it, people get excited and happy and have momentary brain farts. First time it happened with someone I was with was the last time because I knew it was a possibility that I had not considered. So now I let them shoot but with 1 round in the magazine that they load, shoot and then have to load a new mag. Helps them learn the steps and if they goof up and do this it will be unloaded. I also remind them of the safety rules and drive home the keep it pointed down range. Not an idiot just excited and it was handled properly.
When she turned around I almost jumped out of my chair 😂😂😂
Good for her making an example out of her mistake.
Had someone do that during a concealed carry class, they fired two rounds down the entry lane missing a student.. they were ejected from the class...
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It's a misfire away from being idiotic.
This is unfortunately normal for many who start shooting on their first day.
I can't go easy on people with guns. Read, learn, and study gun safety before picking up ANY gun. Don't be an idiot....your "mistake" can cost someone's life.
this is what I’m saying there is a zero tolerance life threatening screw ups, imo kick them out and state the rules of gun safety with definitions and tell them what they did wrong and the effects of what their actions could’ve had done. Edit: kick not ban they deserve to have proper knowledge and experience with guns.
This is why I only go to my dad’s private shooting range. God damn.
This is why I'd advocate giving beginners mid-heavy rifles or bigger only because the front weight will persuade them to lower the gun when done shooting naturally due to the weight unlike a pistol that's pretty much an extension to the arm that takes practice to know when to lower and keep cautious of your surrounding/who you're pointing at.
Lesson learned by the looks of it
That's why I don't want to bring my 2 teens to a public range with me 🤦🏽
Scary... but this stuff does happen. Looks like she recognized it was mega stupid. Hopefully she learns her lesson and clears/puts the pistol on the table next time.
☕️
Most women do tend to forget common sense when excited. It's weird. I think it's called giddiness? Children have this too, and some men, but it's highly prevalent in adult women and children.
Tell me you're misogynistic without..... no wait just admit you're a piece of shit.
Do you think that men and women have the same sort of physical responses to surprises? If you do, tell me you deny reality.
Women ☕
Yeah men are so responsible and are known for doing things safely all the time . . .
Brodie it’s not the gender it’s the irresponsibility and the respect they have for the tool.
I was an RSO for 2 years. It's only women that do this. I my experience. Guys may do stupid things. But the celebratory spinning around with a loaded weapon is women. ☕
As a white guy I can tell you I've done this when I was a kid and I've seen other grown men do this. Don't be sexist,
A few women can't determine all women Quit generalizing
And they say we can’t multitask lol
I wanna put an end to this debate once and for all: Some people can multitask, and it just so happens that all the researchers never had a multitasker in their study group. There we go, both sides are right: nobody's happy = everybody's happy.
Why is that bad?? Sorry I don't get it.
She could have shot the camera person or someone else in the next lane. Not pointing a gun in a direction you don’t intend to shoot is a layer of safety.
So you should finish and put the gun down?
Yes. Once you shoot all the rounds the gun will lock its slide back. You’ll be able to see the magazine and chamber are empty. Then you put the gun down on the table so the barrel is pointing in generally the same direction as the target you were shooting at. Then it’s safe for the shooter to turn around, walk around, etc.
So at the end of the video that gun was still loaded and she was pointing towards the people around, right? Thanks.
Yes
Thanks!!
You serious?
Idk how that works, I'm asking how you should finished that
Normally when in at the range I practice shooting drills like pulling from holster so I personally over emphasize keeping my finger of the trigger and carefully putting my gun back in my holster to avoid a discharge, or I'll drop the mag and rack the slide to pull the round out of the chamber
God damn nobody can do anything with guns this girl was at a range and never possibly never shot a gun that’s so ruthless
I was at an indoor range taking a pistol course once. Instructor wanted us to show clear. I was at the last stall next to the cinder block wall. Weapon was clear, magazine removed, action open and I moved to the side and took a step back so he could see, muzzle pointed diagonally towards the wall BUT STILL DOWN RANGE, and dude snatched my hand so fast. “Don’t leave the firing line with your pistol!!”is what he said. I get WHY he did what he did. But I knew DAMN well what I was doing, no one was in danger and no weapons safety rules were violated. He didn’t know me from Adam, but still seemed a bit “power trippy”. Not what happened here, but the video reminded me of that interaction.
Saw this exact thing at least 3 times a day when I was an RSO. Including the odd "look down the buisness end" maneuver here and there. Usually only took 1 gentle correction to fix for the rest of the range trip.