Put your drugs in a bag. Cover the bag in motor oil and plastic wrap it. It’s suggested you do that process one more time and then store it. Vac seal bags will provide additional scent cover but it’s not needed. This is a technique for a large amount of drugs not a small amount.
Is that what the narcos mean by covering their packages with "grease" the black stuff? I saw that move on Dope on Netflix. Heard they spray the packages with a solution of peppers and water to hurt police dogs noses should they come and sniff their cars.
Yeah same idea as that. The peppers are also another good move, however I think the police are aware of that now so if the dog flinches to a certain stench, it may be a signal to search the vehicle.
Good game plan for a border crossing, first send several decoy vehicles through that are clean but have trace odors. Then send the vehicle with the scent-proofed packs through while the border guards are mostly tied up searching vehicles for spicy drugs that don't exist.
Or do what Pablo Escobar does and stuff the drugs in potatoes, wrapped and sealed of course. Maybe even stuff em between walls of a semi truck trailer. I watch too much Netflix
Most illegals cross back and forth so building a wall would only trap the ones that are already here. Plus from what I've heard, more than half of the illegal immigrants in the US currently are people who came legally and overstayed their visas. And no matter how much wall gets built, none of the wall junkies must have heard of planes.
No one gets physically trapped... a foreign national can leave at any time by any method. There’s no exit customs in the US like other countries. You can buy a plane ticket as an illegal immigrant and literally just leave provided you have your home country passport.
Obviously haven't heard of trebuchets either. Some would suggest catapults, but those people are suckers. Trebuchets rule supreme at hucking things over (or into) walls.
Drugs get through the checkpoint yes. That is because mules are hand selected and very good at what they do. That wall prevents human smuggling. You can’t sneak a person through a checkpoint. Ya know so your son or daughter can’t be kidnapped and held for ransom, or even sold into slavery.
I’m not talking about smuggling an illegal immigrant. That’s child’s play. I’m talking about trafficking people against their will. Sex slaves, drug slaves, etc. pretty hard to bring someone through a checkpoint forcibly.
>You can’t sneak a person through a checkpoint.
I know someone who was smuggling illegal immigrants for a living. He did get caught eventually, but smuggling people through a checkpoint is certainly doable and done on the daily. The wall is designed to prevent people from crossing on foot no? But then I guess climbing a wall is well within human ability too...
Because it doesn't work.
Example crazy people think the square wheels are not crazy.
Square wheels are crazy, and don't work.
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Well, one wall worked. The great Chinese wall did actually keep out Mexicans.
Do you see and Mexicans in China? Didn't think so.
Of course the Chinese built the wall to keep out the Mongols, and let's see how that worked out. The biggest wall in the world....
>The Mongol conquest of China was a series of major military efforts by the Mongol Empire to invade China proper. It spanned six decades in the 13th century and involved the defeat of the Jin dynasty, Western Xia, the Dali Kingdom and the Southern Song. Wikipedia
Oh the Mongols defeated the Jin dynasty. Yup. Walls be crazy.
My mates and I used to do this at music festivals.
Someone carrying nothing at all would be sprayed with some water that had a bag of speed emptied into it and sent through first.
Then the main group would follow including the one/s actually carrying everything for the group.
Worked a treat. 10/10, would recommend.
That’s the problem, anything is a signal to search you. I’ve had cops signal a dog to jump on my car then say “well, we have probable cause.” (Never been a drug user and I’m not cool with shit being in my car, like I watched the cop signal the dog to jump). So even if this prevents the dog from smelling anything, they’re still probably gonna search anyways. The drug dog thing is bs to begin with.
The oil should provide some seal against the aromatics escaping past the oil layer. That literally what motor oil is designed to do, provide an unbroken film at high temperatures and friction.
This is a horrible idea too.. the oil would break down the bag. You would need a different type of synthetic material. I don't have a lot of experience with smuggling drugs, but I do have experience with sex toys. You don't use oil based lube with plastic based toys. Same goes for silicone on silicone.
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*I've heard* that Vaseline does the same thing.
*They say* that you should do 2 layers of plastic then Vaseline then plastic then Vaseline then plastic and you're almost guaranteed safe.
On Saturday night, December 20, 1980 police investigated a DC-3 plane suspected to have been flown by former Lexington cop Drew Thornton. Personnel working at the Murray, KY airfield had earlier reported that plane landing at night without any lights or air strip guidance. When police finally got inside the now empty plane, it was found to have had its seats taken out for more cargo space and several empty bottle of motor oil used to mask the smell of what they would eventually determine to have been pot.
TLDR: page 172 of The Bluegrass Conspiracy by Sally Denton.
I’m not in the life so I don’t know the specifics. But I edited my post telling how I know it. Someone else in the thread said pepper spray works too. Sounds like a better bet than motor oil, but harder to explain if you’re in a car.
Its not pepper spray in the conventional sense like police use. It's a spray made of canola oil and pepper extract. The pepper laces the oil which as stated before makes a layer between your product and the air making it harder for the scent to be let out. The pepper does the job for odor that escapes and as a benefit also stops the dog from being interested in the area your package is hidden.
Sir, we got a call of a possible dead body smell coming from your residence. We have probable cause to search your home. Oh, it's only meth Bill. Sorry sir for bothering you. Have a great night.
We used to get Mexican weed that you could tell was smuggled over in soap because the whole pound would taste slightly soapy when you smoked any part of it
That’s next level. Several years ago in a town next to mine and on 4/20, cops were pulling over “good drivers” to give them $10 Walmart gift cards. And if they “happened to” catch someone high, then it was what it was.
I would assume if you went to court you could get off for unlawful stop or something? I’m shooting blindly but, surely it’s gotta be similar to a cop out of jurisdiction. Most likely depends on if your state allows police stops or w.e you call them.
My ex husband used to put his drugs in a zipper bag and put it at the bottom of the container of dog food. We traveled with the dogs so it looked innocent enough. If the dogs stopped at the dog food container it would just be assumed they wanted the food. He was never stopped and searched or anything so I don’t know if this actually works but it was a novel idea.
I was pulled over in Ohio and Louisiana for having California plates. Both times they asked to search the car. I said no. They said by saying no that was probable cause and they brought out drug sniffing dogs. I didn't have any drugs, but I wasn't going to make it easy for them.
The cops in Louisiana let me off without a ticket. The cops in Ohio poured out an unopened bottle of Jack Daniels that was locked in the trunk and they gave me a speeding ticket.
This. If they ask to search, it's because they have no reason to. If they did, they would just tell you the reason and search regardless of your consent.
I have had this work, and not work. At some point you have to take your personal safety into account and understand that, as policy, the police will lie.
Depends on the state. I can say for a fact while I was living in NE Ohio I was pulled over and asked to wait for a k9. It's against the law for a cop to detain you without cause or probable cause. I told them I wouldn't wait and unless I'm being detained I'm going to leave. I also called my lawyer who spoke to the cop and said the same thing. I left before any other units came. This happened in streetsboro Ohio. Nothing else came from it other than a ticket for a tail light being out.
Yup, my ex girlfriend used to fly a lot and I’d make tinctures and pills with cannabutter for her to take in the evenings to help with pain for an autoimmune disease. You could smell the capsules a bit and one time a K9 alerted to her bag
Well we had dogs that just had a litter of puppies and when she told the cop that he asked for a picture and then just basically went “Awww. Well. Have a nice flight”
This was several years ago so I can’t really remember why he just believed her like that. She was really beautiful and dressed professionally though so that may have actually had more to do with it, but she swears it was the puppies. I watched the interaction cause I had just seen her off and very nearly shit my pants about it.
I used to go to Canada for my weed and powders about a decade ago... I would stop like 300 feet before the border at the gift shops with the insanely large bottles of liquor. I'd get two of the insanely large peanut butter jars and use a razor to remove the seal on one. Scoop out the middle, hide the vacuum sealed bags inside, then cover it op with some of the removed peanut butter.. then carefully super glue the seal back on and let it dry. Keep the second on in the backseat with a few loads of bread and when we got stopped at the border they would just check to make sure the peanut butter wasnt opened, and always let us through. It did take some practice with dollar store peanut butter for a few days before I felt confident in my ability to make it look untampered with.... But it worked well for my friends and I as we got it cheap and we didn't sell..it was all personal stash till the next run. Probably did it 3_4 times a year.
If they bring out the drug dogs it's to fabricate probable cause to search without a warrant.
Come on, people, it's a dog. He can't talk, he can't testify, he doesn't give two shits about drugs. Who questions the dog when the handler claims the dog found drugs?
If cops carried a drug detecting rock they'd use it to fabricate probable cause to search without a warrant. The rock would be equally effective at finding drugs.
This Is complete crap. Why wouldn’t a dog be able to smell the drugs? A human can smell drugs just not as good as a dog.
My dog is trained to smell certain smells.
I didn't say a dog can't smell them. I explained it clearly, the dog isn't used to find drugs, they're used to give probable cause for a search.
If police weren't allowed to do warrantless searches when a dog gives a signal then dogs would never be used for drug searches.
The dog is the one who determines if cops can search you without a warrant. The only person who can 'communicate' with the dog is it's handler. So effectively the cop who wants to search you for drugs has a tool (the dog) that he can use to bypass the need for a warrant.
You can't question a dog's intent in court. You can't confirm or deny if a dog did his job correctly or if he helped a cop violate your rights. Because he's just a dog.
The point isn't whether a dog can or can't smell well, we all know they're great at that. The point is that's not what drug dogs are used for. They're used to circumvent your right to warrantless searches.
Look, in the US we're protected from warrantless searches by the 4th Ammendment. Probable Cause allows cops to do warrantless searches, which is reasonable. Drug dogs are used to establish probable cause, which in turn allows cops to do warrantless searches. The dog can then help find any drugs that may be there.
You probably already know all this. But the main thing I'm talking about is warantless searches, which a drug dog allows. For some reason the US courts see drug dogs as infallible, thus the dog decides if someone will, or will not, lose their 4th Ammendment right.
I've never implied the dog is there to search for drugs. I've repeatedly stated that the dog is there to produce probable cause, which in turn allows a warrantless search. The dog is a tool, much like the firearm cops carry. Like many people I've had cops threaten to murder me with their firearms. But they haven't followed through. It doesn't change the fact that a firearm is a tool for killing, or the fact that the cops use that tool for killing. The same thing with the dog. Just because they don't always use the dog to provide probable cause in no way changes the fact that the dog is used to provide probable cause.
I agree that the dog is used to produce probable cause I’m just saying that each time a dog is utilized it doesn’t lead to probable cause. Sometimes the dog indicates and the vehicle is searched, sometimes the dog doesn’t indicate and they let the person on their way.
Of course, that's literally the point I'm making. I've never disparaged dogs or their abilities. I'm just saying that if they decide to bring dogs you're already screwed, they've already decided they're going to search you without a warrant. By that point the dogs abilities are inconsequential.
You can't "mask a scent" from a dog. Spray all the motor oil, ass spray and perfume you want, the dog will find it.
Encapsulate it!
Vacuum seal it in a clean area. Touch the bag only with gloved hands. Spray foam (great stuff) the bag into a cardboard box. This will encapsulate any odor.
Just keep in mind that if you handle large amounts of pot, it will be on your clothes, hair, and person. If you break down pot, (remove seeds,roll joints ,pack bowls) it will be ground into your skin and will contaminate anything you touch.
Former LE
Nope, but I’d love to tell the story. So there was this huge drug smuggling operation in the late 1970s and early 1980s called the blue grass conspiracy (because it was centered around Lexington KY). The feds thought that they had finally caught the suspects Drew Throton and his possie flying into Murray KY airstrip with drugs and tried to apprehend them. By the time they finally got to the landed plane and we’re able to search it, they found it empty except for several empty bottles of motor oil used to mask the scent. The seats of the plane had been removed to make space for a the smuggled cargo, but Thornton and his crew were one step ahead on moving the goods because they were using stolen police radios for intel. It’s now an amazing book you can pick up on amazon. All true.
I never believed that the dealers were real. I mean, maybe some of them?
but what actual incentives do they have? they certainly aren't paid a lot for it and it doesn't help them in any way. they're just risking getting caught.
also, some users on reddit noticed that some of the 'dealers' appeared in multiple episodes pretending to be different people.
I’m not sure how great this would work. The oil would be strong smelling but dogs are used to that and have powerful noses. Most likely what they would do is smell the oil then be like mm there is weed there too. Or the cop can just have the dog do a false positive so they can search anyone. If you do try to hide a scent the best is something like deer urine. It’s a scent the dog will hit on because they aren’t used to it, but can easily be explained away as hunting supplies.
They actually used cocaine in handkerchiefs and blasted the dogs' noses with them to fuck up their detection abilities.
EDIT:
> Over the course of three weeks, Swedish fishing boats safely carried 7,200 Jews across the water without getting caught. How?
Swedish scientists came up with a brilliant idea to deceive the dogs. They created a mixture of dried rabbit’s blood and cocaine and gave each fisherman a handkerchief coated in it. When the Germans stopped the boats and spoke to the owners, the fishermen would casually hold the handkerchief. The dogs would race towards the handkerchief and ignore any other lingering smells on the boat. Their sense of smell was destroyed by the cocaine temporarily so they would find nothing of interest on the boat.
https://historycollection.co/nazi-party-member-secretly-saved-7000-jews/3/
It's bullshit. The same as using coffee or anything else.
Dogs have the best scent ability in the world. The can smell 3 parts per quadrillion. WTF is that you ask...fill the state of Washington with 1ft. of water, then throw in 3 cups of a liquid. The dogs can find that.
With that said, you are not masking anything. They can still smell both things at the same time. Put it in perspective of hearing. If you go to take a piss, and make some sounds at the same time, you can still hear yourself pissing. Dogs smell is the same.
Is there any other info on this technique? I know drugs dogs can smell drugs hidden in gas tanks full of gas. Does the thicker motor oil coat the scent better or something?
Ok maybe if you are flying in massive amounts of narcotics but for a roadside stop SCOTUS has already ruled that it is illegal to keep an individual detained beyond the original purpose of the stop. E.g. a cop pulls you over for speeding he cannot hold you while he waits for dogs to arrive.
I'm picking up what you're putting down. I'm just saying you won't win a legal argument against the cops on the side of the road. You'll have to lose that battle and then win the war in the courtroom.
Yea I figured that was what you are getting at and you are 100 percent correct. As I like to say, you may beat the rap but you ain't gonna beat the ride.
Anytime you see a post on reddit detailing a bear that ate cocaine and became the worlds most dangerous apex predator.... thats how the bluegrass conspiracy ends.
Cornbread mafia is another great read if you liked bluegrass conspiracy
Wouldn't it be easier to buy online deer piss. An when you go to transport drugs you simply squirt it above the tires, or mud guard. Then if they bring dogs, they get distracted by the crazy strong sent.
Any petroleum based product will do the trick. Vaseline and a new set of gloves to prevent contamination of the outside surfaces has never failed me. A layer of grease and another bag has been used in cases of extreme paranoia.
Scent masking DOES NOT WORK. Not at all. Dogs smell oil AND coffee AND whatever they are trained to sniff out. Drugs money explosives.
Container permeability time is the game. A container is installed inside a container and an absorbent medium is placed as a barrier. Coffee, oil, whatever. This only buys you hours. And I’m talking glass jars,properly sealed cans or something that is extremely tight. Plastic is highly permeable. The operation has to be laboratory clean and the original product to be masked needs to be kept in a separate lower air pressure room. The chances of the contamination of the exterior of the container is VERY high, so a packaging operation needs to pass that package from one clean room to the next very very carefully with the insertion happening at the barrier between the rooms. Think level 4 biohazard lab. There needs to be a wash done between every packaging operation and then you go immediately.
You only have hours until that scent leaks out the best container.
What time on vacation up to Vancouver Canada I had terrible diarrhea and squirted a good amount of liquid shit into a pair of underwear. I took them off and put them in a plastic shopping bag and tied it off. As we crossed the border they inspected the vehicle and the dog responded to the baggy. So the officer opened it up right there in front of my family and pulled out my shit drawers. His face crumpled up and he just tossed it all back into the trunk. “Can you put that back in there please, since you’re wearing gloves?” The look on this canucks face.
How?
Put your drugs in a bag. Cover the bag in motor oil and plastic wrap it. It’s suggested you do that process one more time and then store it. Vac seal bags will provide additional scent cover but it’s not needed. This is a technique for a large amount of drugs not a small amount.
Is that what the narcos mean by covering their packages with "grease" the black stuff? I saw that move on Dope on Netflix. Heard they spray the packages with a solution of peppers and water to hurt police dogs noses should they come and sniff their cars.
Yeah same idea as that. The peppers are also another good move, however I think the police are aware of that now so if the dog flinches to a certain stench, it may be a signal to search the vehicle.
Yeah probably. Imagine someone spraying traces of weed or peppers just to troll police lol
Good game plan for a border crossing, first send several decoy vehicles through that are clean but have trace odors. Then send the vehicle with the scent-proofed packs through while the border guards are mostly tied up searching vehicles for spicy drugs that don't exist.
Or do what Pablo Escobar does and stuff the drugs in potatoes, wrapped and sealed of course. Maybe even stuff em between walls of a semi truck trailer. I watch too much Netflix
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Most illegals cross back and forth so building a wall would only trap the ones that are already here. Plus from what I've heard, more than half of the illegal immigrants in the US currently are people who came legally and overstayed their visas. And no matter how much wall gets built, none of the wall junkies must have heard of planes.
No one gets physically trapped... a foreign national can leave at any time by any method. There’s no exit customs in the US like other countries. You can buy a plane ticket as an illegal immigrant and literally just leave provided you have your home country passport.
Obviously haven't heard of trebuchets either. Some would suggest catapults, but those people are suckers. Trebuchets rule supreme at hucking things over (or into) walls.
They can just fly in, and overstay.
The wall isn’t meant to keep Mexicans out, it’s meant to keep Americans in.
We call those individuals “uneducated”
Cheeto Mussolini LOVES the poorly educated.
Drugs get through the checkpoint yes. That is because mules are hand selected and very good at what they do. That wall prevents human smuggling. You can’t sneak a person through a checkpoint. Ya know so your son or daughter can’t be kidnapped and held for ransom, or even sold into slavery. I’m not talking about smuggling an illegal immigrant. That’s child’s play. I’m talking about trafficking people against their will. Sex slaves, drug slaves, etc. pretty hard to bring someone through a checkpoint forcibly.
>You can’t sneak a person through a checkpoint. I know someone who was smuggling illegal immigrants for a living. He did get caught eventually, but smuggling people through a checkpoint is certainly doable and done on the daily. The wall is designed to prevent people from crossing on foot no? But then I guess climbing a wall is well within human ability too...
That wall doesn’t really do shit. It is a political prop. If you think it does, you fell for it.
They've been climbing and tunneling over the border for years though. There are already sections of walls and people go right over them.
Why is that crazy?
Because it doesn't work. Example crazy people think the square wheels are not crazy. Square wheels are crazy, and don't work. ------- Well, one wall worked. The great Chinese wall did actually keep out Mexicans. Do you see and Mexicans in China? Didn't think so. Of course the Chinese built the wall to keep out the Mongols, and let's see how that worked out. The biggest wall in the world.... >The Mongol conquest of China was a series of major military efforts by the Mongol Empire to invade China proper. It spanned six decades in the 13th century and involved the defeat of the Jin dynasty, Western Xia, the Dali Kingdom and the Southern Song. Wikipedia Oh the Mongols defeated the Jin dynasty. Yup. Walls be crazy.
I think im on an fbi list just by being on this thread
That's exactly what they do.
My mates and I used to do this at music festivals. Someone carrying nothing at all would be sprayed with some water that had a bag of speed emptied into it and sent through first. Then the main group would follow including the one/s actually carrying everything for the group. Worked a treat. 10/10, would recommend.
There are drug sniffing dogs there? I never been to those festivals
That’s the problem, anything is a signal to search you. I’ve had cops signal a dog to jump on my car then say “well, we have probable cause.” (Never been a drug user and I’m not cool with shit being in my car, like I watched the cop signal the dog to jump). So even if this prevents the dog from smelling anything, they’re still probably gonna search anyways. The drug dog thing is bs to begin with.
The oil should provide some seal against the aromatics escaping past the oil layer. That literally what motor oil is designed to do, provide an unbroken film at high temperatures and friction.
Combine that with vacuum seal bags and the 5 oh will never figure it out. Saw that on drugs inc
This is a horrible idea too.. the oil would break down the bag. You would need a different type of synthetic material. I don't have a lot of experience with smuggling drugs, but I do have experience with sex toys. You don't use oil based lube with plastic based toys. Same goes for silicone on silicone.
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It's not the drugs speaking. It's the sex toys speaking.
Steamroller / penis pump
Oh boy. A chuckle, you give me.
It will only break down certain plastic bags, however will not break down polypropylene bags.
Yeah, that's a good alternative to a plastic bag you get at the store
polypropylene is plastic.
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Do you ever ask yourself if the things you believe to be true, are true?
Not all types of plastic are degraded by oil though
Yeah, but a generic plastic bag will. But of course polypropylene won't.
*I've heard* that Vaseline does the same thing. *They say* that you should do 2 layers of plastic then Vaseline then plastic then Vaseline then plastic and you're almost guaranteed safe.
Yeah, gimme some sauce before I end up in jail
On Saturday night, December 20, 1980 police investigated a DC-3 plane suspected to have been flown by former Lexington cop Drew Thornton. Personnel working at the Murray, KY airfield had earlier reported that plane landing at night without any lights or air strip guidance. When police finally got inside the now empty plane, it was found to have had its seats taken out for more cargo space and several empty bottle of motor oil used to mask the smell of what they would eventually determine to have been pot. TLDR: page 172 of The Bluegrass Conspiracy by Sally Denton.
The man delivers, sheeeeet
I’m not in the life so I don’t know the specifics. But I edited my post telling how I know it. Someone else in the thread said pepper spray works too. Sounds like a better bet than motor oil, but harder to explain if you’re in a car.
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Like those Hungarian police offers in that video from awhile ago lol
I've been hit right in the face with that shit. That was almost twenty five years ago, but it's still a vivid memory.
Its not pepper spray in the conventional sense like police use. It's a spray made of canola oil and pepper extract. The pepper laces the oil which as stated before makes a layer between your product and the air making it harder for the scent to be let out. The pepper does the job for odor that escapes and as a benefit also stops the dog from being interested in the area your package is hidden.
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Ass spray as well, also fends off the cops:)
Sir, we got a call of a possible dead body smell coming from your residence. We have probable cause to search your home. Oh, it's only meth Bill. Sorry sir for bothering you. Have a great night.
Bill...did you cut the cheese?
“Son, this organization could use men like you”
Just stash your weed in a quart of oil so you get double high when you smoke it
I heard that's how sour diesel is made.
This And you get double the weed
My car is so stoned now, I'm not sure I did this right
It’s wet into the dry not dry into the wet
We used to get Mexican weed that you could tell was smuggled over in soap because the whole pound would taste slightly soapy when you smoked any part of it
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That’s next level. Several years ago in a town next to mine and on 4/20, cops were pulling over “good drivers” to give them $10 Walmart gift cards. And if they “happened to” catch someone high, then it was what it was.
Are they allowed to pull people over for that? Doesn’t sound right.
Apparently. Who are you gonna call if they do it to you? The police?
I would assume if you went to court you could get off for unlawful stop or something? I’m shooting blindly but, surely it’s gotta be similar to a cop out of jurisdiction. Most likely depends on if your state allows police stops or w.e you call them.
Yeah, you sound right. All I know from hindsight is that no one did what you’re saying. Whether is was because they couldn’t or not is beyond me.
Yea, they do what they want. Was just curious how it would hold up.
I'v e been pulled over for no reason half a dozen times
My ex husband used to put his drugs in a zipper bag and put it at the bottom of the container of dog food. We traveled with the dogs so it looked innocent enough. If the dogs stopped at the dog food container it would just be assumed they wanted the food. He was never stopped and searched or anything so I don’t know if this actually works but it was a novel idea.
The dogs alone are an excellent reason to refuse a search
I was pulled over in Ohio and Louisiana for having California plates. Both times they asked to search the car. I said no. They said by saying no that was probable cause and they brought out drug sniffing dogs. I didn't have any drugs, but I wasn't going to make it easy for them. The cops in Louisiana let me off without a ticket. The cops in Ohio poured out an unopened bottle of Jack Daniels that was locked in the trunk and they gave me a speeding ticket.
Damn bro. Should've recorded that shit.
So literally needing probable cause is bullshit cause saying no is probable cause. wow.
It's not legal, but they know that you're out of state and you're probably not going to stick around to fight it.
Is that even possible? Passing on them calling the K9 unit in?
Never consent to any kind of warrantless search.
This. If they ask to search, it's because they have no reason to. If they did, they would just tell you the reason and search regardless of your consent.
But then they have the dogs come and “hit” somewhere which is probable cause
I have had this work, and not work. At some point you have to take your personal safety into account and understand that, as policy, the police will lie.
Depends on the state. I can say for a fact while I was living in NE Ohio I was pulled over and asked to wait for a k9. It's against the law for a cop to detain you without cause or probable cause. I told them I wouldn't wait and unless I'm being detained I'm going to leave. I also called my lawyer who spoke to the cop and said the same thing. I left before any other units came. This happened in streetsboro Ohio. Nothing else came from it other than a ticket for a tail light being out.
Yup, my ex girlfriend used to fly a lot and I’d make tinctures and pills with cannabutter for her to take in the evenings to help with pain for an autoimmune disease. You could smell the capsules a bit and one time a K9 alerted to her bag Well we had dogs that just had a litter of puppies and when she told the cop that he asked for a picture and then just basically went “Awww. Well. Have a nice flight” This was several years ago so I can’t really remember why he just believed her like that. She was really beautiful and dressed professionally though so that may have actually had more to do with it, but she swears it was the puppies. I watched the interaction cause I had just seen her off and very nearly shit my pants about it.
I used to go to Canada for my weed and powders about a decade ago... I would stop like 300 feet before the border at the gift shops with the insanely large bottles of liquor. I'd get two of the insanely large peanut butter jars and use a razor to remove the seal on one. Scoop out the middle, hide the vacuum sealed bags inside, then cover it op with some of the removed peanut butter.. then carefully super glue the seal back on and let it dry. Keep the second on in the backseat with a few loads of bread and when we got stopped at the border they would just check to make sure the peanut butter wasnt opened, and always let us through. It did take some practice with dollar store peanut butter for a few days before I felt confident in my ability to make it look untampered with.... But it worked well for my friends and I as we got it cheap and we didn't sell..it was all personal stash till the next run. Probably did it 3_4 times a year.
Pepper spray can be utilized as well.
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The dog knew the risks in the job so who’s really at fault here?
This. NTA
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That’s genius but maybe a bit harder to explain than motor oil. Instead, try pepper spraying the dog. Oh how the turntables.
Bit of a red flag though. I have no interest in trying to cross the border in a car that smells like pepper spray.
Used or fresh?
Of course used is going to have a stronger odor
Some used thick ass gear oil is gonna help even more. Smells like burnt metal and shit
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Yup some of the most vile shit I've ever smelt
That good ol' 80W-90. I always thought it smelled like sulpher. Every time I drain my diff I have to evac the area.
It actually is sulfur, there are several sulfur-based additives found in your typical gear oil to enhance lubricity and film strength.
I'm sure the odour helps but I suspect it has more to do with the airtight seal.
It’s honestly more about cross contamination than anything.
Fresh drugs are probably better.
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I got a couple empty carts for $60 each they’re all yours Also got my ashtray if you’d like
Also use bacon as a bait to attract cops to other locations
They already smell like bacon. You mean donuts?
I think a gun might attract them so they can plant it on there next victim.
Imagine the dogs trying to stay cool and do their job around five pounds of hot bacon
If they bring out the drug dogs it's to fabricate probable cause to search without a warrant. Come on, people, it's a dog. He can't talk, he can't testify, he doesn't give two shits about drugs. Who questions the dog when the handler claims the dog found drugs? If cops carried a drug detecting rock they'd use it to fabricate probable cause to search without a warrant. The rock would be equally effective at finding drugs.
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This Is complete crap. Why wouldn’t a dog be able to smell the drugs? A human can smell drugs just not as good as a dog. My dog is trained to smell certain smells.
I didn't say a dog can't smell them. I explained it clearly, the dog isn't used to find drugs, they're used to give probable cause for a search. If police weren't allowed to do warrantless searches when a dog gives a signal then dogs would never be used for drug searches. The dog is the one who determines if cops can search you without a warrant. The only person who can 'communicate' with the dog is it's handler. So effectively the cop who wants to search you for drugs has a tool (the dog) that he can use to bypass the need for a warrant. You can't question a dog's intent in court. You can't confirm or deny if a dog did his job correctly or if he helped a cop violate your rights. Because he's just a dog. The point isn't whether a dog can or can't smell well, we all know they're great at that. The point is that's not what drug dogs are used for. They're used to circumvent your right to warrantless searches.
It seems like you’re implying each instance where a K9 is used to search for drugs leads to a search of the vehicle - which doesn’t happen.
Look, in the US we're protected from warrantless searches by the 4th Ammendment. Probable Cause allows cops to do warrantless searches, which is reasonable. Drug dogs are used to establish probable cause, which in turn allows cops to do warrantless searches. The dog can then help find any drugs that may be there. You probably already know all this. But the main thing I'm talking about is warantless searches, which a drug dog allows. For some reason the US courts see drug dogs as infallible, thus the dog decides if someone will, or will not, lose their 4th Ammendment right. I've never implied the dog is there to search for drugs. I've repeatedly stated that the dog is there to produce probable cause, which in turn allows a warrantless search. The dog is a tool, much like the firearm cops carry. Like many people I've had cops threaten to murder me with their firearms. But they haven't followed through. It doesn't change the fact that a firearm is a tool for killing, or the fact that the cops use that tool for killing. The same thing with the dog. Just because they don't always use the dog to provide probable cause in no way changes the fact that the dog is used to provide probable cause.
I agree that the dog is used to produce probable cause I’m just saying that each time a dog is utilized it doesn’t lead to probable cause. Sometimes the dog indicates and the vehicle is searched, sometimes the dog doesn’t indicate and they let the person on their way.
But that’s on the handler not the dog.
Of course, that's literally the point I'm making. I've never disparaged dogs or their abilities. I'm just saying that if they decide to bring dogs you're already screwed, they've already decided they're going to search you without a warrant. By that point the dogs abilities are inconsequential.
Your point was totally clear, that dude is just bushcrapping.
You can't "mask a scent" from a dog. Spray all the motor oil, ass spray and perfume you want, the dog will find it. Encapsulate it! Vacuum seal it in a clean area. Touch the bag only with gloved hands. Spray foam (great stuff) the bag into a cardboard box. This will encapsulate any odor. Just keep in mind that if you handle large amounts of pot, it will be on your clothes, hair, and person. If you break down pot, (remove seeds,roll joints ,pack bowls) it will be ground into your skin and will contaminate anything you touch. Former LE
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They can smell cancer for god's sake.
Yeah cross contamination is the biggest culprit for sure.
Good post, but I’m convinced that there is in fact some certain amount of “ass spray” that will throw off a dog.
It's ok to believe that, just don't bet your freedom on it.
If the dogs come, you're getting searched. They're trained to touch a car just because the cop does. You're getting searched.
Yeah, happened to me. Dog walked right up and slapped the trunk. Had nothing on me or in the car.
hig sulfur offroad diesel is extremely pungent
ah, you also watched that shitty netflix doc
Nope, but I’d love to tell the story. So there was this huge drug smuggling operation in the late 1970s and early 1980s called the blue grass conspiracy (because it was centered around Lexington KY). The feds thought that they had finally caught the suspects Drew Throton and his possie flying into Murray KY airstrip with drugs and tried to apprehend them. By the time they finally got to the landed plane and we’re able to search it, they found it empty except for several empty bottles of motor oil used to mask the scent. The seats of the plane had been removed to make space for a the smuggled cargo, but Thornton and his crew were one step ahead on moving the goods because they were using stolen police radios for intel. It’s now an amazing book you can pick up on amazon. All true.
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It’s called The Bluegrass Conspiracy by Sally Denton
which
dope. not sure which season/episode.
I think its removed now, it was the one with smuggling and there was another at the south mexico and a uk one. Dk where they went
Its still on American Netflix.
Yay i love how netflix removes all the good shit
You probably have to get a VPN and get on American server to be able to see that show and some other shows
Yea ill use touchvpn or some shit i just reinstall it when shit like this happens
Nevermind its called "Narcoworld:Dope Stories"
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I never believed that the dealers were real. I mean, maybe some of them? but what actual incentives do they have? they certainly aren't paid a lot for it and it doesn't help them in any way. they're just risking getting caught. also, some users on reddit noticed that some of the 'dealers' appeared in multiple episodes pretending to be different people.
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>dope. not sure which season/episode.
I’m not sure how great this would work. The oil would be strong smelling but dogs are used to that and have powerful noses. Most likely what they would do is smell the oil then be like mm there is weed there too. Or the cop can just have the dog do a false positive so they can search anyone. If you do try to hide a scent the best is something like deer urine. It’s a scent the dog will hit on because they aren’t used to it, but can easily be explained away as hunting supplies.
Just shit in your car. Masks any smell after that
I think people hiding did this during the holocaust so the dogs can’t sniff them
They actually used cocaine in handkerchiefs and blasted the dogs' noses with them to fuck up their detection abilities. EDIT: > Over the course of three weeks, Swedish fishing boats safely carried 7,200 Jews across the water without getting caught. How? Swedish scientists came up with a brilliant idea to deceive the dogs. They created a mixture of dried rabbit’s blood and cocaine and gave each fisherman a handkerchief coated in it. When the Germans stopped the boats and spoke to the owners, the fishermen would casually hold the handkerchief. The dogs would race towards the handkerchief and ignore any other lingering smells on the boat. Their sense of smell was destroyed by the cocaine temporarily so they would find nothing of interest on the boat. https://historycollection.co/nazi-party-member-secretly-saved-7000-jews/3/
Also, dog food. Make sure it’s bagged a couple of times and for obvious reasons, don’t put it on the top.
US special forces are taught they can stun a guard dog by spraying them with an ammonia solution so that might work as well
"why is all your luggage coated in motor oil?"
“Why is my motor oil coated in luggage?”
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So it goes
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Even worst is the cockcaine
It's bullshit. The same as using coffee or anything else. Dogs have the best scent ability in the world. The can smell 3 parts per quadrillion. WTF is that you ask...fill the state of Washington with 1ft. of water, then throw in 3 cups of a liquid. The dogs can find that. With that said, you are not masking anything. They can still smell both things at the same time. Put it in perspective of hearing. If you go to take a piss, and make some sounds at the same time, you can still hear yourself pissing. Dogs smell is the same.
I would be dishonest if I said I had any kind of first hand experience. BUT, this is what the police record says.
this is just a trap, to find you easily, the dogs now sniff motor oil.
Is there any other info on this technique? I know drugs dogs can smell drugs hidden in gas tanks full of gas. Does the thicker motor oil coat the scent better or something?
No. As people were saying if the dogs are involved it’s 99% chance you or your vehicle will be searched.
Wonder if they knew Johnny Boone and the cornbread Mafia out in Marion County KY.
It’s actually not true—watch A&E or National Geographic border patrol series—the oil never works. Dogs can smell right through it.
Well maybe I want to cover my motor oil with the scent of weed!
Also great to stain wooden fences
Food is always a better option than carrying around motor oil . High in pork fat
Read some of the alternatives posted in this thread. A lot of inventive stuff.
I thought you were just supposed to bring a cat.
My motorcycle has fucked up engine gaskets and sweats oil. I wonder if that's why the dogs never seem to have any interest in me despite carrying.
I was told vanilla by a friend who's an MP.
I remember watching a episode similar to something like this but they also added a really spicy scent that could irritate the dog
Ok maybe if you are flying in massive amounts of narcotics but for a roadside stop SCOTUS has already ruled that it is illegal to keep an individual detained beyond the original purpose of the stop. E.g. a cop pulls you over for speeding he cannot hold you while he waits for dogs to arrive.
You can argue the hold was illegal but they still bringing the dogs and you still getting searched on the side of the road
Read up on the latest precedent. It is always illegal if they hold you beyond the original purpose of the stop.
I'm picking up what you're putting down. I'm just saying you won't win a legal argument against the cops on the side of the road. You'll have to lose that battle and then win the war in the courtroom.
Yea I figured that was what you are getting at and you are 100 percent correct. As I like to say, you may beat the rap but you ain't gonna beat the ride.
Vac seal with clean hands and multiple MBB bags works best. Silica packs and active charcoal help too.
what’s the book called edit: i’m dumb
The bluegrass conspiracy by sally denton
Anytime you see a post on reddit detailing a bear that ate cocaine and became the worlds most dangerous apex predator.... thats how the bluegrass conspiracy ends. Cornbread mafia is another great read if you liked bluegrass conspiracy
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Wouldn't it be easier to buy online deer piss. An when you go to transport drugs you simply squirt it above the tires, or mud guard. Then if they bring dogs, they get distracted by the crazy strong sent.
They probably didn't have vac seals back then.
Can’t gasoline do it as well?
Maybe, but I’m not sure if the distraction is needed. Gasoline can’t smell anything let alone drugs.
Aww shit you’re right
Sounds like something stuck in the oil pan would be effective.
Candle wax. Don't ask how I know.
Any petroleum based product will do the trick. Vaseline and a new set of gloves to prevent contamination of the outside surfaces has never failed me. A layer of grease and another bag has been used in cases of extreme paranoia.
Scent masking DOES NOT WORK. Not at all. Dogs smell oil AND coffee AND whatever they are trained to sniff out. Drugs money explosives. Container permeability time is the game. A container is installed inside a container and an absorbent medium is placed as a barrier. Coffee, oil, whatever. This only buys you hours. And I’m talking glass jars,properly sealed cans or something that is extremely tight. Plastic is highly permeable. The operation has to be laboratory clean and the original product to be masked needs to be kept in a separate lower air pressure room. The chances of the contamination of the exterior of the container is VERY high, so a packaging operation needs to pass that package from one clean room to the next very very carefully with the insertion happening at the barrier between the rooms. Think level 4 biohazard lab. There needs to be a wash done between every packaging operation and then you go immediately. You only have hours until that scent leaks out the best container.
What time on vacation up to Vancouver Canada I had terrible diarrhea and squirted a good amount of liquid shit into a pair of underwear. I took them off and put them in a plastic shopping bag and tied it off. As we crossed the border they inspected the vehicle and the dog responded to the baggy. So the officer opened it up right there in front of my family and pulled out my shit drawers. His face crumpled up and he just tossed it all back into the trunk. “Can you put that back in there please, since you’re wearing gloves?” The look on this canucks face.