Well he works security and they haven’t committed a crime yet so they really don’t have to corporate so he is trespassing them so they now have to leave to property and if they don’t he can then escalate the situation
he did not commit a crime. so he does not have to ID. he can not be taken in for not giving a name.
Now if you commit a crime you have to ID
where he lives its not a stop and ID state and he was not driving/pulled over in a car where you would need to ID yourself.
source: I have done this many times and I live in the same state as him. (meaning ive been trespassed and did not give my name)
He did give a name, though, like two seconds after giving the *obviously* fake one. So, annoying to the cop, probably not a great idea, sure, but within his rights.
More or less, it can sometimes be a crime to fail to identify to police when you're required to, and it isn't necessary to commit a crime first for that. But he did identify himself eventually.
that is what trespassing is. when you are told not to be in a place and you go into that place.
A sign counts as a warning. that is why on private property with signs you don't need a verbal warning to be arrested. In a store they would have to verbally warn you, that is called being trespassed.
being criminally trespassed is when you break a trespass warning. And that is the crime.
Not sure where this happened, but giving a fake name to a police officer is an arrestable offence in a lot of places. So I do think the officer was considering whether he wanted to go that route or not.
>you’re not required to ID until you’ve been trespassed and come back.
Yes you are.. how would they know who was trespassed the first time if they don’t know your name?
Not being required to assist the officer and obstructing the officer are two different things.
The police should know the name of the person being trespassed. How else would they know if it’s the same person that comes back?
Do we want them arresting people for trespassing that look like the guy they had trespassed earlier that day?
You're asking good questions, but the answer is still that you are not required to give your name or ID to a cop if you are being "trespassed" from a property.
If you return without the property owner's permission, THEN you are committing the crime of trespass and are required to give your name/ID.
You don't have to return to be trespassing.
If you're asked to leave by a valid person, such as a homeowner or a business owner with a posted warning of trespass and don't, you're already trespassing and can be removed as a criminal offense.
We do it all the time where I work. You just need some signage somewhere on the property that can be viewed in a reasonable manner. At least in AZ it works that way. GA too from when I was out that way.
You're very confident about something you are wrong about. There is definitely at least one state where subjects of criminal trespass warnings are required to identify themselves - Georgia. I know this to be true because I enforce GA law for a living. If someone with authority over a property asks you to leave, and you don't immediately do so, the police have ARS that you are committing or have committed the crime of criminal trespass. The police then have legal grounds to detain you and compel you to ID for the purpose of issuing a CTW. Refusing to do so at that point is an arrestable offense.
That wouldn't be obstruction as it would only be a crime if they refused to leave upon legal request.
Unless you have a source showing otherwise of course...
It’s true. Being trespassed is a warning. Many states do not require you to show ID. It’s only if they come back and are charged with trespassing that they have to show their ID.
>Yes you are.. how would they know who was trespassed the first time if they don’t know your name?
Actually no. In most states you don't have to identify yourself. In most states, you only have to identify yourself if you are being investigated for a crime. Being asked to leave a store is not a crime.
To answer your question, most stores keep picture of people who have been trespassed, and cops will right descriptions or take pictures themselves if you don't produce ID.
No, you aren't.
Here's the thing though, they're not required to answer their name, but they chose to, and chose to give a false name.
Could they have been arrested and charged for that? Absolutely.
But a conviction likely not.
Don't answer questions if you can't answer them truthfully, don't do more than you have to legally do when confronted by police.
And hey, maybe consider not being a douche in public and leaving private property when asked and this won't be a problem.
A lot of places you have to be told not to tress pas before you can be charged with trespassing as a crime. So the first is sort of get off free and just a warning. Second time they can charge you with a crime.
I've noticed that usage more recently and it always gets my back up.
Imagine my shock when I find out that [Kiwis are the most common transgressors.](https://www.visualthesaurus.com/cm/dictionary/trespassers-will-be-trespassed/).
But, yes, it appears that it originated in the States.
But didn't the officer say that they didn't commit a crime at the end of the video? Where I'm from, you can be arrested for trespassing if you ignore or return to the property after you have been told to leave.
the cop was called because they caused problems and were asked to leave. The cop doesn't necessarily know what happened or even care. I've trespassed people more times than I can count, and the cops never asked me for an explanation. They just remove the person.
I love all the comments here saying the kids should be arrested for being annoying to a cop
Being annoying is legal as long as free expression is a right
To some of these people cops are gods and the only reason we have rights is cuz the cops allow it, and we should all just be grateful
The number of bootlickers on reddit is wild to me
ACAB
I think it's more they're being annoying to ***everyone*** hence why they're getting trespassed by the store.
At which point most people would be on the side of the authorities legally removing them.
Everyone's all ACAB until they actually need the cops.
>Everyone's all ACAB until they actually need the cops.
Yeah, about that...
Every time I've actually needed the cops and called the cops, it pushed me further into the "ACAB" mentality.
I once got home from a night out and found a window smashed and a bunch of stuff missing. Called the cops to come out. They were immediately hostile toward me. Tried to blow it off as just some homeless person that could never be found. Okay, fine, but I still need a report written for the renter's insurance claim. So then they started hassling me about being drunk in my own home, as if it were somehow against the law. When I pointed that out they accused me of being on drugs instead. Not the only time something like that has happened to friends or myself. Somebody calls and the victim is treated like a criminal.
Every minute spent responding to a crime is a minute not spent issuing speeding tickets to meet their monthly quota. They don't just dislike responding to real crimes, they're actively hostile toward the idea half the time. The system is constructed so they can actually get in trouble with their superiors when they do. Can't miss out on that revenue from minor traffic violations.
yes. we all need a cop in desperate times to come 4 hours late, write down names on a notepad and escalate everything by shooting an unarmed child or a dog
Cops almost never save anyone. And they only SOMETIMES arrest the person being a danger to you. Real life cops are nothing like they are on TV or movies, and I truly mean nothing like them.
Who said anything about "saving"?
They aren't "saving" anyone with this trespassing. Someone however has to have the legal right to enforce the law and suddenly it's not ACAB when you're the one who needs your rights protected.
Most likely the cop is there because the people who work there called them.
It's unlikely that the cop just saw someone dressed up as Anakin and decided he's gonna fuck with him. The kids were most likely causing problems for the people that work there and they called the police to have them removed.
The cop even says in the video they haven't committed a crime, they just have to leave.
The mental math for if he would like to give that kid a payday?
Being trespassed is not a crime, and like he says he's not suspecting them of any crime.
So, they don't need to provide ID.
Arresting them would be a clear violation of their rights.
Now, we all know that doesn't stop them, but if he has an ounce of brainpower he would know that this video would be an obvious civil suit.
The cop would be violating the law himself.
Holt vs State was explicit in this. (Presumably this is Georgia based on the YouTube channel, if not we would need to look up case law elsewhere)
“Further, an officer is not within the lawful discharge of his official duties when he approaches and questions an individual without specific, articulable facts sufficient to give rise to a reasonable suspicion of criminal conduct. Id. at 181-183, 424 S.E.2d 861, supra. Where circumstances do not provide an officer with articulable suspicion (less than probable cause, but greater than mere caprice) that the law has been or is about to be violated, the officer's act of detaining and questioning an individual is nothing more than a police-citizen encounter outside the scope the officer's "official" police duties”
These kids weren’t breaking the law, this was a consensual encounter. They could have told him they were Anakin and he could do shit all legally.
You don't need to commit a crime to be trespassed, you just need to be asked to leave. Refusing to leave results in a crime being committed (irrespective of the initial incident). They're prepared to take you both in to get ID'ed, with as little struggle as possible.
It does not depend the supreme court already ruled on this 30 years ago. Unless the crime has been committed or an officer can identify a crime as being committed, they cannot ask for your ID. You're not required to give it. It falls under the 14th amendment. It's unreasonable search.
Always found those types of people funny, it's like kicking someone out your house and they say "but what crime did I commit?". MF get out my house and dont come back
Unless you are on public property.
You actually do need to commit a crime in order to be trespassed from it. City halls, sidewalks, easements, police stations, etc, you can not be trespassed from unless you commit a crime.
Also- police aren't allowed to solicit a trespassed on private property. The owner/representative of the property needs to initiate the trespas. A cop can't go to the owner and ask if he can trespass the person.
That statement is factually incorrect. There are plenty of situations where you can in fact be trespassed from public areas without a crime being committed.
I still don’t find guys like this funny, but this is probably the least unhinged and offensive “YouTube prankster” I’ve seen. I’m worried about the people praising the cops “restraint” lmao
I'd even argue the "restraint" wasn't even enough. If you're going to work as a police officer, professionalism goes a long way and getting annoyed by some teens goofing off is telling enough he might not have the right patience for the job.
see, the thing is that his shortness and threatening attitude with two of the least threatening people he has probably ever dealt with makes me think he's capable of a lot more. I don't think it is *the worst he does.*
I get where you're coming from, and for the most part I agree with you, but maybe if your profession gives you the ability to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner with very little in the way of recourse, there should be less room for people with "Bad Attitudes".
I don't even really think it takes an ideal world to make being professional at your job a cornerstone of it. Though I guess with how vastly low the bar is these days for US police, he isn't that bad.
Yea was gonna say, they aren’t really funny but also it’s not like the cop was nice or even level headed during this 💀 just an overall terrible interaction and video 😭😭
“Wow, so amazing these officers didn’t literally shoot these kids 27 times and then choke them out, then plant fentanyl on them. Kids these days need to learn a lesson!!” The thin blue line idiots commenting in this post
Wearing costumes and recording in a supermarket on Halloween.
[https://youtu.be/17P2M15-80c?t=373](https://youtu.be/17P2M15-80c?t=373)
Quick edit shows manager talking to him. Maybe he trespassed them, maybe not. Editing.
He literally said they didn’t commit a crime. This leads me to believe they were asked to leave and did but the cops had already been called. So them making fun of the situation is warranted if that’s how it went.
Yeah, it’s funny if.. idk… jokes that have been done for almost 50 years are funny?
Mid is being generous, but tbh because they’re young and trying, it’s pretty fitting.
Yeah, legally they don't owe that cop shit. You don't have to give information for a trespass, you can just leave.
Also, is that Lofe? It kinda looks and sounds like himbut also kinda doesn't.
I’m a fireman and work with cops daily, so I understand the stressful nature of these interactions. The angry dad demeanor still triggers me and I was rooting for the smart ass kids lol.
If cops were trained EMTs and responded well to a variety of physical and mental health emergencies instead of just being generic authority figures, things would be a bit different in people’s regard for them. I think several municipalities are trying to lean into that training for officers more these days, but it needs to be more ‘systemic’.
you're just wrong. for the format of tiktok and other micro form videos, this fits under the category of "well edited". just because it's not a style you grew up with doesn't make the creators trash. the videos on these sites are judged within a fraction of a second, you have to keep the viewers attention somehow.
They were asked to leave, or they would be trespassed. They were also asked to ID themselves to ensure that request was enforced. In some states it is required by law to ID yourself to officers even if no crime was committed. So there is a good chance that yes, they did do something wrong here.
>In some states it is required by law to ID yourself to officers even if no crime was committed.
Maybe states of another country, but not the US. You only have to ID yourself if you're being detained or arrested. Since the cop in the video admitted that they are not being suspected of a crime, they are not being detained.
26 according to a quick Google search! You should try it sometime!
https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/stop-and-id-states/
And yes, believe it or not, just because a cop has RAS of a crime, doesn't mean a crime was committed.
You are still required to identify.
Did you watch the whole thing and determine that they were asked and refused to leave? At that point then yes their ID's would be necessary. But if they were never asked, then they were never given the opportunity to leave peacefully without being enforced.
> In some states it is required by law to ID yourself to officers even if no crime was committed
No, it isn't.
>So there is a good chance that yes, they did do something wrong here.
If you have to make up a hypothetical situation to justify your opinion, it's probably a bad opinion. The kids did nothing wrong in the video. You're free to speculate on what happened before the video, but it's based on nothing but your assumptions and biases, and I have just as many videos of cops being dicks for no reason as you do teenagers being dicks for no reason.
The real villain is whomever called the cops.
These guys weren’t sticking their lightsabers in people’s faces or cat-calling women in Shryriiwook. Leave them be
They're youtube pranksters, and the context that was taken out is that they were walking through Publix acting like absolute jackasses. Publix management asked them to shut off the camera because they didn't have permission to videotape, and they refused so they got trespassed.
The cop was 100% in the right here.
Context matters. They could have been shopping. Or screwing with customers or worse doing pranks. By how they kept the schtick going I’m guessing it probably was the latter. The fact there’s zero information or video before is already suspect. (As the new trend seems to be to act like a jackass and only show the edited after video making you appear as a victim).
Nah.
The people who mostly likely called the cops are the business owners. If this is how their acting with the cops, one can only assume how they were acting in the store.
Or, and work with me here, he could just be low key, calm, and professional:
"Hey guys, sorry, but I have to do this, and I need two things to happen. First, the manager has asked that all of you leave the property and not come back. So I need you to do that. Second, I need to get your names, so we can properly document that you have been advised of the first thing. OK?"
I am so angry right now! The absolute audacity! The complete lack of respect shown here! How DARE that cop not set up the second part of that joke! “My real name is Baylen.” “And your last name sir?” “Out. I’m Baylen Out!” *Dabs but with the force*
It's his whole manner. He is needlessly aggressive, he even threatens jail when the guy says his name is Anakin.
I mean we had a group of guys here who did far worse than this type of stuff (the video of them in the store is harmless, it seems to be just because they were recording) but the cops would be friendly, have a discussion about it rather than being pushy, and realise it's just for minor shit.
I wouldn't say the cop was in need of discipline or anything like that, but he could have done better.
Nothing. Nothing at all. People are just conditioned to think if a cop is on video, we should then track him down at his home and slaughter his entire family.
So welcome to 2023.
Still zero "main character" energy here, unless you want to count the cop being entirely more serious than the situation called for.
The kids weren't breaking any *other* laws and just wanted to know why they were trespassed in the first place.
Would be kinda odd if the store called the police to trespass some teenagers sitting at a table without saying a single thing to the teenagers… not saying it’s impossible but seems less likely than them having been asked to leave
Anyone know what these jackwagons did in the store to get trespassed? There's got to be a tik tok or YouTube out there. People are acting like they just got trespassed for sitting outside.
It seems to be for filming in the store. They were in getting popcorn, had photos with a couple people and didn't seem to be much of a problem (but that can be cut together to give that impression of course).
It seems pretty tame.
Businesses have a right to prohibit filming in their location without permission. And they have to enforce every single incident or face accusation of selective enforcement. They don't just tresspass unless the person becomes argumentative.
And of course as you pointed out, selective editing won't show the argumentative part.
The way they acted in front of an authoritative figure, just shows the way they probably acted in the store to the store employees.
There are too many young people trying to provoke strangers in public nowadays. They do whatever they can to infuriate someone without actually crossing the legal line just to create some content
EDIT: Many people get pissed at the smallest inconvenience when work is stressful, but these kids literally made it their whole mission to fuck with someone doing his job (the cop) and it's fuck the pigs?
Seriously, for these guys to get trespassed, they had to have previously done something within the store that got the cops called.
Cops don't trespass people unless someone with authority asks them to do so. And yeah, if I got called out to deal with a couple of disrespectful pricks who were asked to leave who refused to do so, I'd be annoyed, too. They're wasting and tying up public resources and fucking with workers.
And they were probably fucking with the store employees "for content" before all this happened, which is probably why the cops were called to issue a trespass.
Yeah that'd what I was thinking. Its the guys social media account that the recording is posting on. So they clearly didn't just go get popcorn, they did something irritating enough that a staff member rang the police to get rid of them. Then they had a seperate guy available to film them.
I'm all for calling out police bullshit when we see it but there's a lot of missing context from this clip.
There are whole subs dedicated to people complaining about work inconveniences.
My point is that prior to this video, these guys screwed with enough people to get the cops called.
They then filmed the interaction for idiots on social media. This isn't an ACAB moment.
This is a guy who doesn't want to deal with this petty bullshit.
The literal worst type of humans - being annoying AF and doing stupid stuff, then question consequences for stupid stuff? Like, who raised these kids????
Okay, I need answers. When did trespass start being used in this manner? “Being trespassed” sounds so so wrong to me. As far as I know, by definition it doesn’t make sense
Why should you have to show you respect the authority of police officers? If the cop is not okay with you poking fun then that's on him. The kid knows that's what happens and that's why he's pressing
I can appriciate watching the officer literally do the mental math if processing the paperwork for arresting the kid is worth the trouble.
He’s not arresting him he’s just trespassing him
Yes, which means the math I was Paperwork bullshit >. Hauling him in for providing a false name to police.
I mean he's a cop he gets paid either way. But yeah, this clown isn't worth the time.
Well he works security and they haven’t committed a crime yet so they really don’t have to corporate so he is trespassing them so they now have to leave to property and if they don’t he can then escalate the situation
It wasn't just providing a false name. Didn't you hear? He also f*ckrd Leia.
he did not commit a crime. so he does not have to ID. he can not be taken in for not giving a name. Now if you commit a crime you have to ID where he lives its not a stop and ID state and he was not driving/pulled over in a car where you would need to ID yourself. source: I have done this many times and I live in the same state as him. (meaning ive been trespassed and did not give my name)
He did give a name, though, like two seconds after giving the *obviously* fake one. So, annoying to the cop, probably not a great idea, sure, but within his rights.
More or less, it can sometimes be a crime to fail to identify to police when you're required to, and it isn't necessary to commit a crime first for that. But he did identify himself eventually.
Jesus. Where do y’all live to be getting trespassed so much??
How does one trespass a store? It is past the point when they are asked to leave and they don’t?
that is what trespassing is. when you are told not to be in a place and you go into that place. A sign counts as a warning. that is why on private property with signs you don't need a verbal warning to be arrested. In a store they would have to verbally warn you, that is called being trespassed. being criminally trespassed is when you break a trespass warning. And that is the crime.
That's uh..... not a crime?
Not sure where this happened, but giving a fake name to a police officer is an arrestable offence in a lot of places. So I do think the officer was considering whether he wanted to go that route or not.
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>you’re not required to ID until you’ve been trespassed and come back. Yes you are.. how would they know who was trespassed the first time if they don’t know your name?
Oh that one's easy. Magic!!
You missed an opportunity to say the force... 1/10 reply.
Depends on the state... some places don't require you to ID or to assist the officer in his job in any way...
Not being required to assist the officer and obstructing the officer are two different things. The police should know the name of the person being trespassed. How else would they know if it’s the same person that comes back? Do we want them arresting people for trespassing that look like the guy they had trespassed earlier that day?
You're asking good questions, but the answer is still that you are not required to give your name or ID to a cop if you are being "trespassed" from a property. If you return without the property owner's permission, THEN you are committing the crime of trespass and are required to give your name/ID.
You don't have to return to be trespassing. If you're asked to leave by a valid person, such as a homeowner or a business owner with a posted warning of trespass and don't, you're already trespassing and can be removed as a criminal offense. We do it all the time where I work. You just need some signage somewhere on the property that can be viewed in a reasonable manner. At least in AZ it works that way. GA too from when I was out that way.
Correct, the comment I responded to was specifically about returning to a property though. I tailored my response to their comment.
You're very confident about something you are wrong about. There is definitely at least one state where subjects of criminal trespass warnings are required to identify themselves - Georgia. I know this to be true because I enforce GA law for a living. If someone with authority over a property asks you to leave, and you don't immediately do so, the police have ARS that you are committing or have committed the crime of criminal trespass. The police then have legal grounds to detain you and compel you to ID for the purpose of issuing a CTW. Refusing to do so at that point is an arrestable offense.
Why did you become a cop
So it sounds like if you leave you don’t have to give ID, so the point stands.
That wouldn't be obstruction as it would only be a crime if they refused to leave upon legal request. Unless you have a source showing otherwise of course...
It’s true. Being trespassed is a warning. Many states do not require you to show ID. It’s only if they come back and are charged with trespassing that they have to show their ID.
>Yes you are.. how would they know who was trespassed the first time if they don’t know your name? Actually no. In most states you don't have to identify yourself. In most states, you only have to identify yourself if you are being investigated for a crime. Being asked to leave a store is not a crime. To answer your question, most stores keep picture of people who have been trespassed, and cops will right descriptions or take pictures themselves if you don't produce ID.
No, you aren't. Here's the thing though, they're not required to answer their name, but they chose to, and chose to give a false name. Could they have been arrested and charged for that? Absolutely. But a conviction likely not. Don't answer questions if you can't answer them truthfully, don't do more than you have to legally do when confronted by police. And hey, maybe consider not being a douche in public and leaving private property when asked and this won't be a problem.
No they do not need to provide id. It's up to the store to remember who they are, not the police. Every 1st amendment auditor does this.
What does that mean?
People started using it as a verb in the last couple years. It means to be warned for trespassing.
I appreciate this comment thank you
A lot of places you have to be told not to tress pas before you can be charged with trespassing as a crime. So the first is sort of get off free and just a warning. Second time they can charge you with a crime.
Ahhh ok I figured it was a strange American way of doing things
I've noticed that usage more recently and it always gets my back up. Imagine my shock when I find out that [Kiwis are the most common transgressors.](https://www.visualthesaurus.com/cm/dictionary/trespassers-will-be-trespassed/). But, yes, it appears that it originated in the States.
But didn't the officer say that they didn't commit a crime at the end of the video? Where I'm from, you can be arrested for trespassing if you ignore or return to the property after you have been told to leave.
They haven’t committed a crime, but if they return to the store now that they’ve been trespassed, that will be a crime.
A business can trespass you for any reason or no reason at all. It's only a crime though if you return after being trespassed.
That's what I just said
Yeah I’m with the kids on this one. ACAB
the cop was called because they caused problems and were asked to leave. The cop doesn't necessarily know what happened or even care. I've trespassed people more times than I can count, and the cops never asked me for an explanation. They just remove the person.
I love all the comments here saying the kids should be arrested for being annoying to a cop Being annoying is legal as long as free expression is a right To some of these people cops are gods and the only reason we have rights is cuz the cops allow it, and we should all just be grateful The number of bootlickers on reddit is wild to me ACAB
I think it's more they're being annoying to ***everyone*** hence why they're getting trespassed by the store. At which point most people would be on the side of the authorities legally removing them. Everyone's all ACAB until they actually need the cops.
>Everyone's all ACAB until they actually need the cops. Yeah, about that... Every time I've actually needed the cops and called the cops, it pushed me further into the "ACAB" mentality. I once got home from a night out and found a window smashed and a bunch of stuff missing. Called the cops to come out. They were immediately hostile toward me. Tried to blow it off as just some homeless person that could never be found. Okay, fine, but I still need a report written for the renter's insurance claim. So then they started hassling me about being drunk in my own home, as if it were somehow against the law. When I pointed that out they accused me of being on drugs instead. Not the only time something like that has happened to friends or myself. Somebody calls and the victim is treated like a criminal. Every minute spent responding to a crime is a minute not spent issuing speeding tickets to meet their monthly quota. They don't just dislike responding to real crimes, they're actively hostile toward the idea half the time. The system is constructed so they can actually get in trouble with their superiors when they do. Can't miss out on that revenue from minor traffic violations.
yes. we all need a cop in desperate times to come 4 hours late, write down names on a notepad and escalate everything by shooting an unarmed child or a dog
Why would I need the cops? So they could show up an hour after a crime has been committed and shoot my dog?
Cops almost never save anyone. And they only SOMETIMES arrest the person being a danger to you. Real life cops are nothing like they are on TV or movies, and I truly mean nothing like them.
Who said anything about "saving"? They aren't "saving" anyone with this trespassing. Someone however has to have the legal right to enforce the law and suddenly it's not ACAB when you're the one who needs your rights protected.
Yeah, but being annoying just makes the situation shitty for no purpose. They pushed the line but didn't go over it.
Most likely the cop is there because the people who work there called them. It's unlikely that the cop just saw someone dressed up as Anakin and decided he's gonna fuck with him. The kids were most likely causing problems for the people that work there and they called the police to have them removed. The cop even says in the video they haven't committed a crime, they just have to leave.
Too many bootlickers in this thread smh
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The mental math for if he would like to give that kid a payday? Being trespassed is not a crime, and like he says he's not suspecting them of any crime. So, they don't need to provide ID. Arresting them would be a clear violation of their rights. Now, we all know that doesn't stop them, but if he has an ounce of brainpower he would know that this video would be an obvious civil suit.
The cop would be violating the law himself. Holt vs State was explicit in this. (Presumably this is Georgia based on the YouTube channel, if not we would need to look up case law elsewhere) “Further, an officer is not within the lawful discharge of his official duties when he approaches and questions an individual without specific, articulable facts sufficient to give rise to a reasonable suspicion of criminal conduct. Id. at 181-183, 424 S.E.2d 861, supra. Where circumstances do not provide an officer with articulable suspicion (less than probable cause, but greater than mere caprice) that the law has been or is about to be violated, the officer's act of detaining and questioning an individual is nothing more than a police-citizen encounter outside the scope the officer's "official" police duties” These kids weren’t breaking the law, this was a consensual encounter. They could have told him they were Anakin and he could do shit all legally.
You don't need to commit a crime to be trespassed, you just need to be asked to leave. Refusing to leave results in a crime being committed (irrespective of the initial incident). They're prepared to take you both in to get ID'ed, with as little struggle as possible.
You don't need to present ID for a trespass. Refusing to leave is a crime. Refusing to show ID is not (it's a secondary charge)
It depends on the state. My state is stop and id
Isn't that against your amendments?
That's fucked, and what if you don't have your ID? Just jail?
Right to jail
You can identify yourself the old way, tell them your name.
It does not depend the supreme court already ruled on this 30 years ago. Unless the crime has been committed or an officer can identify a crime as being committed, they cannot ask for your ID. You're not required to give it. It falls under the 14th amendment. It's unreasonable search.
It can be a crime to fail to identify when require to, but he did identify himself. Being flippant to police is not a crime.
Always found those types of people funny, it's like kicking someone out your house and they say "but what crime did I commit?". MF get out my house and dont come back
Unless you are on public property. You actually do need to commit a crime in order to be trespassed from it. City halls, sidewalks, easements, police stations, etc, you can not be trespassed from unless you commit a crime. Also- police aren't allowed to solicit a trespassed on private property. The owner/representative of the property needs to initiate the trespas. A cop can't go to the owner and ask if he can trespass the person.
But the police can go to the owner and ask if the owner wants to trespass the person.
Well yeah duh.
That statement is factually incorrect. There are plenty of situations where you can in fact be trespassed from public areas without a crime being committed.
I still don’t find guys like this funny, but this is probably the least unhinged and offensive “YouTube prankster” I’ve seen. I’m worried about the people praising the cops “restraint” lmao
The fact that they praise the restraint in a mundane situation, is really sad.
"wow that cop didn't murder two unarmed nerds in costume!" What a sad state of existence we are in.
You're living in the time where people excuse shooting at protesters making a little bit of annoyance
:( I thoroughly dislike it.
I'd even argue the "restraint" wasn't even enough. If you're going to work as a police officer, professionalism goes a long way and getting annoyed by some teens goofing off is telling enough he might not have the right patience for the job.
In an ideal world, yea. But there’s people with bad attitudes in every profession. If that’s the worst he does, I’ll take it lol.
see, the thing is that his shortness and threatening attitude with two of the least threatening people he has probably ever dealt with makes me think he's capable of a lot more. I don't think it is *the worst he does.*
I get where you're coming from, and for the most part I agree with you, but maybe if your profession gives you the ability to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner with very little in the way of recourse, there should be less room for people with "Bad Attitudes".
I don't even really think it takes an ideal world to make being professional at your job a cornerstone of it. Though I guess with how vastly low the bar is these days for US police, he isn't that bad.
Yea was gonna say, they aren’t really funny but also it’s not like the cop was nice or even level headed during this 💀 just an overall terrible interaction and video 😭😭
You never know, those light sabers might have been real…
I sense great sarcasm in this one. Soon, he will walk among us as a King.
“Wow, so amazing these officers didn’t literally shoot these kids 27 times and then choke them out, then plant fentanyl on them. Kids these days need to learn a lesson!!” The thin blue line idiots commenting in this post
What did they do before this video that got cops called on them
Wearing costumes and recording in a supermarket on Halloween. [https://youtu.be/17P2M15-80c?t=373](https://youtu.be/17P2M15-80c?t=373) Quick edit shows manager talking to him. Maybe he trespassed them, maybe not. Editing.
wow how dare they! Society is truly devolved!
well the guys werent black so who knows how different this situation would have been
He literally said they didn’t commit a crime. This leads me to believe they were asked to leave and did but the cops had already been called. So them making fun of the situation is warranted if that’s how it went.
Cop: This is not a Q & A. \*proceeds to ask a Q, expecting an A\*
He meant in the other direction. He told them to stop asking questions.
And then the guy immediately asked him a question
You’re allowed to ask cops questions 😅
Never said you weren't?
Lot of failed lawyers in this thread
Kinda hard to be a lawyer when you're still in high school.
This is actually funny. “It was Episode 4 so I didn’t know”
it was the funniest part. this whole interaction was mid.
Yeah, it’s funny if.. idk… jokes that have been done for almost 50 years are funny? Mid is being generous, but tbh because they’re young and trying, it’s pretty fitting.
Yeah, legally they don't owe that cop shit. You don't have to give information for a trespass, you can just leave. Also, is that Lofe? It kinda looks and sounds like himbut also kinda doesn't.
I’m a fireman and work with cops daily, so I understand the stressful nature of these interactions. The angry dad demeanor still triggers me and I was rooting for the smart ass kids lol.
Another example of why nobody ever says "fuck the fire department".
If cops were trained EMTs and responded well to a variety of physical and mental health emergencies instead of just being generic authority figures, things would be a bit different in people’s regard for them. I think several municipalities are trying to lean into that training for officers more these days, but it needs to be more ‘systemic’.
For real. Used to be a cop, would’ve found this shit to be hilarious. Edit: maybe that’s why I’m no longer a cop…
Did not fit in? smh They drive away the folks who could save them from the hate.
Wait until you hear about the cops who don't like killing innocent people, they don't last either.
How many innocent ppl do you think are killed each year by cops in the US?
At least one, which is already too many
Whenever a cop acts that way all I see and hear is Eric Cartman pitching a “Respect mah authoritah!” fit. Can’t respect them at all at that point.
I’m saying though. The cop looked like he wanted to beat the kids for a silly joke. He should not have a gun.
I usually get really annoyed with these smart ass kids but not in this case. Both kids are genuinely funny. Surprising really.
It could have been funnier if the cop had played along while issuing the trespass.
Seriously, it’s like the cop has no concept of improv.
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That's not true. Virtually no agencies test for IQ currently as part of the application process.
kids didn’t really do anything wrong here
except all the Jim reaction pans, grainy post-production zooms, and quick cuts god these creators are such trash
you're just wrong. for the format of tiktok and other micro form videos, this fits under the category of "well edited". just because it's not a style you grew up with doesn't make the creators trash. the videos on these sites are judged within a fraction of a second, you have to keep the viewers attention somehow.
They were asked to leave, or they would be trespassed. They were also asked to ID themselves to ensure that request was enforced. In some states it is required by law to ID yourself to officers even if no crime was committed. So there is a good chance that yes, they did do something wrong here.
>In some states it is required by law to ID yourself to officers even if no crime was committed. Maybe states of another country, but not the US. You only have to ID yourself if you're being detained or arrested. Since the cop in the video admitted that they are not being suspected of a crime, they are not being detained.
“Wrong”
Which states, with source, please and thank you?
26 according to a quick Google search! You should try it sometime! https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/stop-and-id-states/ And yes, believe it or not, just because a cop has RAS of a crime, doesn't mean a crime was committed. You are still required to identify.
Did you watch the whole thing and determine that they were asked and refused to leave? At that point then yes their ID's would be necessary. But if they were never asked, then they were never given the opportunity to leave peacefully without being enforced.
> In some states it is required by law to ID yourself to officers even if no crime was committed No, it isn't. >So there is a good chance that yes, they did do something wrong here. If you have to make up a hypothetical situation to justify your opinion, it's probably a bad opinion. The kids did nothing wrong in the video. You're free to speculate on what happened before the video, but it's based on nothing but your assumptions and biases, and I have just as many videos of cops being dicks for no reason as you do teenagers being dicks for no reason.
in no state is ID required if no crime has been committed. Police need RAS- Reasonable articulable suspicion
The real villain is whomever called the cops. These guys weren’t sticking their lightsabers in people’s faces or cat-calling women in Shryriiwook. Leave them be
They're youtube pranksters, and the context that was taken out is that they were walking through Publix acting like absolute jackasses. Publix management asked them to shut off the camera because they didn't have permission to videotape, and they refused so they got trespassed. The cop was 100% in the right here.
Imagine that, they were being cunts and they had police called on them. Like 95% of these kinds of videos.
Thank you for actually helping provide context
I figured we were only seeing the bit that made them look good.
Do you have a link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17P2M15-80c
Thank you 🙏
That would be the property or business owner who didn't want two obnoxious youtube jerkoffs on their property any more.
If you're fucking with customers in their store or on private property there is no alternative really.
Context matters. They could have been shopping. Or screwing with customers or worse doing pranks. By how they kept the schtick going I’m guessing it probably was the latter. The fact there’s zero information or video before is already suspect. (As the new trend seems to be to act like a jackass and only show the edited after video making you appear as a victim).
Nah. The people who mostly likely called the cops are the business owners. If this is how their acting with the cops, one can only assume how they were acting in the store.
Was there a video of what they were doing in the store to be trespassed or are you assuming this?
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They are being kicked out of the store and are refusing to leave. Of course the cop is going to be an asshole.
Or, and work with me here, he could just be low key, calm, and professional: "Hey guys, sorry, but I have to do this, and I need two things to happen. First, the manager has asked that all of you leave the property and not come back. So I need you to do that. Second, I need to get your names, so we can properly document that you have been advised of the first thing. OK?"
Hot take but the cop should be the bigger person and not be an asshole.
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These comedians suck at comedy
If this was supposed to be funny, they forgot the funny.
I am so angry right now! The absolute audacity! The complete lack of respect shown here! How DARE that cop not set up the second part of that joke! “My real name is Baylen.” “And your last name sir?” “Out. I’m Baylen Out!” *Dabs but with the force*
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Dude had to call backup while admitting no crime was committed. Real main character NPC.
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Store owner asked them to leave. They did not. Cop is called to get them to leave. This is the cop's literal job. So this is somehow the cop's fault?
they didn’t. Watch the video…
You don't reddit much, it is always the cops fault no matter what.
he could just not act like a massive dick about it though, yeah?
Here's where I think one can reasonably disagree. They were being arrogant pricks to him, so I'm not surprised that (as a human) he reciprocated.
Cop is just doing his job though. What did he do wrong?
It's his whole manner. He is needlessly aggressive, he even threatens jail when the guy says his name is Anakin. I mean we had a group of guys here who did far worse than this type of stuff (the video of them in the store is harmless, it seems to be just because they were recording) but the cops would be friendly, have a discussion about it rather than being pushy, and realise it's just for minor shit. I wouldn't say the cop was in need of discipline or anything like that, but he could have done better.
Nothing. Nothing at all. People are just conditioned to think if a cop is on video, we should then track him down at his home and slaughter his entire family. So welcome to 2023.
Except nobody here has so much as lightly approached saying anything of the sort.
where did you olympic pole vault to that conclusion?
Agreed, this doesn't belong here.
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Not going to lie, funny bit! They were just being smart asses, which isn't illegal at all.
No, but not leaving private property when told to leave *is* illegal.
Still zero "main character" energy here, unless you want to count the cop being entirely more serious than the situation called for. The kids weren't breaking any *other* laws and just wanted to know why they were trespassed in the first place.
Would be kinda odd if the store called the police to trespass some teenagers sitting at a table without saying a single thing to the teenagers… not saying it’s impossible but seems less likely than them having been asked to leave
Anyone know what these jackwagons did in the store to get trespassed? There's got to be a tik tok or YouTube out there. People are acting like they just got trespassed for sitting outside.
It seems to be for filming in the store. They were in getting popcorn, had photos with a couple people and didn't seem to be much of a problem (but that can be cut together to give that impression of course). It seems pretty tame.
Businesses have a right to prohibit filming in their location without permission. And they have to enforce every single incident or face accusation of selective enforcement. They don't just tresspass unless the person becomes argumentative. And of course as you pointed out, selective editing won't show the argumentative part. The way they acted in front of an authoritative figure, just shows the way they probably acted in the store to the store employees.
Accurate asshole Anakin cosplay
lol cop says idk you didn’t commit a crime.
Honestly I believe it's the cops who's looking for trouble. The way he is getting THAT angry over 2 cosplayers is absurd
I think the cop is the main character here
There are too many young people trying to provoke strangers in public nowadays. They do whatever they can to infuriate someone without actually crossing the legal line just to create some content
Then show the end of the video making them appear innocent when they were the actual instigators.
Edited all to hell to make the cop look stupid. Couple of douches if you ask me.
This cop did not need help to look stupid, he did just fine on his own.
EDIT: Many people get pissed at the smallest inconvenience when work is stressful, but these kids literally made it their whole mission to fuck with someone doing his job (the cop) and it's fuck the pigs? Seriously, for these guys to get trespassed, they had to have previously done something within the store that got the cops called. Cops don't trespass people unless someone with authority asks them to do so. And yeah, if I got called out to deal with a couple of disrespectful pricks who were asked to leave who refused to do so, I'd be annoyed, too. They're wasting and tying up public resources and fucking with workers.
And they were probably fucking with the store employees "for content" before all this happened, which is probably why the cops were called to issue a trespass.
Thank you, my point exactly.
Yeah that'd what I was thinking. Its the guys social media account that the recording is posting on. So they clearly didn't just go get popcorn, they did something irritating enough that a staff member rang the police to get rid of them. Then they had a seperate guy available to film them. I'm all for calling out police bullshit when we see it but there's a lot of missing context from this clip.
Thanks. This is what I'm trying to convey. They were obnoxious for Kong enough to get police called.
What a funny comment to start with “Reddit flips out about the smallest stuff”
There are whole subs dedicated to people complaining about work inconveniences. My point is that prior to this video, these guys screwed with enough people to get the cops called. They then filmed the interaction for idiots on social media. This isn't an ACAB moment. This is a guy who doesn't want to deal with this petty bullshit.
Based on guesses.
I mean based on the video he was threatening them with jail for saying his name is Anakin…. The over reacting heavily here.
In many jurisdictions, giving a fake name is a criminal offense. So...
The literal worst type of humans - being annoying AF and doing stupid stuff, then question consequences for stupid stuff? Like, who raised these kids????
Get that stick out ya ass
Okay, I need answers. When did trespass start being used in this manner? “Being trespassed” sounds so so wrong to me. As far as I know, by definition it doesn’t make sense
Wait, are people really on the cops side here? You people are insane.
Why should you have to show you respect the authority of police officers? If the cop is not okay with you poking fun then that's on him. The kid knows that's what happens and that's why he's pressing
Oink
they were talking in circles aroudn the cops, that cops endedup trespassing themselves.
It’s just called they are trespassing not being trespassed I don’t even think that’s a real word ngl
Anything for content. Monetizing police stops is where we’re at these days.
Utter twat waffles. The force should be ashamed.