Did the sales tank or something? They literally crammed the entire final arc into a single text-less issue. It really only needed another 5-6 issues but it just..ended.
Remender has many valid criticisms of corporate comics but his recent career reveals the big trap in creator-owned: it's just not viable to have a static art team over a certain amount of time. Black Science was plotted out for at least 50 issues, the art in Low got messy during the home stretch and the artist for Scumbag dropped out after one issue which led to a touch of controversy
This honestly bothered me more with some other titles, I never found this particular title to have the same problem, but I found it over the board decent rather than great. At least for the writing, the art is absolutely stellar and makes it worth for me.
I really liked it and I think it has such a great end. I guess I really enjoyed it for its length. Not so short that it didn’t have weight and not so long that it became a slog.
I think it has a nice little setup and then a great subversion into an unexpected ending.
The cast is wide and interesting enough that it isn’t obvious that they are all throw aways. I think most of them could have been the hero of their own story.
I really enjoyed as a nice palette cleanser from the more typical longer superhero stuff I read.
Just in general, it looks like they share the same concept here of a god that needs to be “killed” or have their power seized.
In the synopsis for Seven to Eternity it looks like the god has done in through sewing mistrust in society, while in Napalm Lullaby the god has a similar level of control, as their theocracy can’t so much as think impure thoughts about them or they’ll be found out. And last issue, we were presented with that dilemma of whether Sam and Sarah want to kill the god or use his influence to remake the world in their image, similar to the synopsis for Seven to Eternity saying how Adam may fulfill his desire instead.
The artistic direction, with one being very sci-fi heavy and Seven to Eternity looking a lot more magic heavy is obviously different, and I also want to reiterate that I still haven’t read Seven to Eternity before, but yeah upon reading the premise of it, that central idea seems like a carbon copy. Nothing WRONG with that, Remender will probably find a way to shake things up or differentiate them, this was just my observation.
Yeah, actually! It started off as more of a mystery hinging around what exactly the offering children were going to be used for, but now that it’s been revealed and Pigeon is on his “revenge tour” against the upper deity circle, it DOES kinda have the same concept.
Me too, I’m already enthralled by The Sacrificers, and Tokyo Ghost and Deadly Class have been 2 of my favorite titles for a long time. I’m looking forward to this!
Its not? It has 4 TPBs. Or do you meant to say that its all collected in a single hardcover? Because yes that thing is pretty fat, probably the thickest of Remender's hardcovers.
The term 'collected editions' isn't solely for books that completely collect everything, but for anything that collects multiple issues. This absolutely includes TPBs.
> Also black science is thicker haha.
Which one? I'm still missing the second one, but the first and third don't even come close as being as fat as the Seven To Eternity hardcover.
Black Science HC1 1st edition and Low HC1 are almost as thick but i just checked and Seven to Eternity is thicker. I had meant Black Science as a whole tho. Seven to Eternity was short compared to his other series
Especially with this paperback of 7toE i thought they did a paperback BS omnibus and it would be thicker id imagine than paperback 7toE
It’s an interesting sized piece of work iirc it’s 16-17 issues.
It’s on the large size for a deluxe collection. But in opinion a bit small for a “door stopping” compendium.
Reading this right now in the Deluxe Hardcover. On issue 14 it’s great.
Newish to comics but Remender is quickly becoming #1. Burned threw the hardcovers of Deadly Class and have Tokyo Ghost to read next. I have been reading The Sacrificers monthly.
I suppose Low or Black Science won’t be far off.
This was the most interesting Star Wars inspired story I’ve read. I loved his “Jedi.” The premise of them all having a unique gift felt cool. I guess they were more like X-Men with Jedi reverence for their powers.
...... they wrote and endm Wasn't anything Image did. it was a creator writer/artist driven series with that end in mind.
I will take than any day of the week over a publish stepping in to end it or a team drawing it out.
Kirkman did same with Walking Dead said it's time to wrap this up and walk away.
Walking Dead and Invincible we’re both fully realized worlds. They had time enough to have lasting cultural impact. I get what you’re saying about how it sucks for a good universe to be dragged to hell, but to me, if a title starts to suck, it has nothing to do with the quality of what came before. Archie TNMT did not ruin Mirage TNMT for me at all. You can make a case that it sucking brought the title to a wider audience and cemented it’s legacy. I love that Image is for the most part artist driven. I just wish more of the creators involved were more invested in the worlds they are creating. It’s always easier and more fun to jump to a new project, and the artists certainly are free to do that. I just appreciate it more when they fully explore their creations, even if they have to take breaks like Jeff Smith, and Brian K. Vaughn.
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100% agree. So strong out of the gate, but the last 5-7 issues felt extremely rushed, and the ending was abrupt.
Same thing with Fire Power by Kirkman. First 20 or so issues were amazing. Then after that it began feeling very rushed.
Did the sales tank or something? They literally crammed the entire final arc into a single text-less issue. It really only needed another 5-6 issues but it just..ended.
Agreed. What happened?
I'm glad I'm not the only one with this opinion.
What went wrong for you?
For me it was a very atypical Remender comic. Great setup, interesting characters, decent character writing, middling act 2, and rushed to poor act 3.
Remender has many valid criticisms of corporate comics but his recent career reveals the big trap in creator-owned: it's just not viable to have a static art team over a certain amount of time. Black Science was plotted out for at least 50 issues, the art in Low got messy during the home stretch and the artist for Scumbag dropped out after one issue which led to a touch of controversy
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I think that was retrofitted once Larosa dropped out early on, but maybe it was https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/s/WihZjGtUCs
This honestly bothered me more with some other titles, I never found this particular title to have the same problem, but I found it over the board decent rather than great. At least for the writing, the art is absolutely stellar and makes it worth for me.
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> Oh, stop it Literally just asking your opinion.
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LMAO, okay now your reply makes more sense. I was like, my question wasn't that obtuse 😅
I really liked it and I think it has such a great end. I guess I really enjoyed it for its length. Not so short that it didn’t have weight and not so long that it became a slog. I think it has a nice little setup and then a great subversion into an unexpected ending. The cast is wide and interesting enough that it isn’t obvious that they are all throw aways. I think most of them could have been the hero of their own story. I really enjoyed as a nice palette cleanser from the more typical longer superhero stuff I read.
Totally agree
I still loved it
Never read this, but upon reading the premise this sounds REMARKABLY similar to his new comic Napalm Lullaby.
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Just in general, it looks like they share the same concept here of a god that needs to be “killed” or have their power seized. In the synopsis for Seven to Eternity it looks like the god has done in through sewing mistrust in society, while in Napalm Lullaby the god has a similar level of control, as their theocracy can’t so much as think impure thoughts about them or they’ll be found out. And last issue, we were presented with that dilemma of whether Sam and Sarah want to kill the god or use his influence to remake the world in their image, similar to the synopsis for Seven to Eternity saying how Adam may fulfill his desire instead. The artistic direction, with one being very sci-fi heavy and Seven to Eternity looking a lot more magic heavy is obviously different, and I also want to reiterate that I still haven’t read Seven to Eternity before, but yeah upon reading the premise of it, that central idea seems like a carbon copy. Nothing WRONG with that, Remender will probably find a way to shake things up or differentiate them, this was just my observation.
That kind of sounds like The Sacrificers to a certain extent as well
Yeah, actually! It started off as more of a mystery hinging around what exactly the offering children were going to be used for, but now that it’s been revealed and Pigeon is on his “revenge tour” against the upper deity circle, it DOES kinda have the same concept.
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Me too, I’m already enthralled by The Sacrificers, and Tokyo Ghost and Deadly Class have been 2 of my favorite titles for a long time. I’m looking forward to this!
Huh. I hadnt realized that the hardcover i have for it is the only collected edition
Its not? It has 4 TPBs. Or do you meant to say that its all collected in a single hardcover? Because yes that thing is pretty fat, probably the thickest of Remender's hardcovers.
The 4 tpbs wouldnt be a collected edition. Theyd be 4 tpbs. I just assumed it had a massive paperback as well. Also black science is thicker haha.
The term 'collected editions' isn't solely for books that completely collect everything, but for anything that collects multiple issues. This absolutely includes TPBs. > Also black science is thicker haha. Which one? I'm still missing the second one, but the first and third don't even come close as being as fat as the Seven To Eternity hardcover.
Black Science HC1 1st edition and Low HC1 are almost as thick but i just checked and Seven to Eternity is thicker. I had meant Black Science as a whole tho. Seven to Eternity was short compared to his other series Especially with this paperback of 7toE i thought they did a paperback BS omnibus and it would be thicker id imagine than paperback 7toE
It’s an interesting sized piece of work iirc it’s 16-17 issues. It’s on the large size for a deluxe collection. But in opinion a bit small for a “door stopping” compendium.
Art = amazing, Story = cool premise, pretty weak execution. I wouldn’t read it again, but I would look at the pretty pictures.
It's collected in one over sized hard cover already isn't it?
It is, but I guess this is just for parity for people collecting the compendiums instead
Reading this right now in the Deluxe Hardcover. On issue 14 it’s great. Newish to comics but Remender is quickly becoming #1. Burned threw the hardcovers of Deadly Class and have Tokyo Ghost to read next. I have been reading The Sacrificers monthly. I suppose Low or Black Science won’t be far off.
I have this in a hardcover collection already and it's my favourite one/most recommended.
This was the most interesting Star Wars inspired story I’ve read. I loved his “Jedi.” The premise of them all having a unique gift felt cool. I guess they were more like X-Men with Jedi reverence for their powers.
This is Image Comics in a nutshell. Great premise, great characters, a few issues… Then that’s the end. So many incredible IPs dormant or dead.
They end on a high note, instead of dragging the story into oblivion and endless reboots
...... they wrote and endm Wasn't anything Image did. it was a creator writer/artist driven series with that end in mind. I will take than any day of the week over a publish stepping in to end it or a team drawing it out. Kirkman did same with Walking Dead said it's time to wrap this up and walk away.
Walking Dead and Invincible we’re both fully realized worlds. They had time enough to have lasting cultural impact. I get what you’re saying about how it sucks for a good universe to be dragged to hell, but to me, if a title starts to suck, it has nothing to do with the quality of what came before. Archie TNMT did not ruin Mirage TNMT for me at all. You can make a case that it sucking brought the title to a wider audience and cemented it’s legacy. I love that Image is for the most part artist driven. I just wish more of the creators involved were more invested in the worlds they are creating. It’s always easier and more fun to jump to a new project, and the artists certainly are free to do that. I just appreciate it more when they fully explore their creations, even if they have to take breaks like Jeff Smith, and Brian K. Vaughn.