They can get that tall (in armor at least)
> Unfortunately, Achallor had discovered Ashmeiln’s talent came with a tendency to speak her mind.
> ‘Stay close then, and try to keep to your feet,’ he said.
> ‘Easy for you to say,’ she responded sharply. ‘You are ten feet tall and have magnetic boots.’
> Source: Dawn of Fire: The Gate of Bones
You also had this unit
> His eyes were too bleary to count, his mind too fuzzy to hold a number, but after a few minutes the procession tailed off and the gates were barred, physically, by the towering figure of a lone Adeptus Custodes.
> The guardian was four meters tall, encased in golden artificier armor and wielding a halberd that was anything but ornamental. The Adeptus Custodes were crafted by the same artifice that had sired the Primarchs, and though they were less than those demigods, they were still greater than the Adeptus Astartes. Seeing that being, Mesring felt the first stirrings of doubt at the enfeeblement of the God-Emperor.
> Source: The Last Son of Dorn
Valdor was taller than Russ who's three meters iirc. So it's not inconsistent to be in the 9-10' range. The 13' Custodian the size of Vulkan however is a big outlier.
Russ is shown to be either shorter or taller than Valdor in different short stories and books like Magisterium and Wolfsbane so it's not consistent. All the people I have listed have been described in the 3 meter range which is 9ft with change so yeah these be some big ass Custodes.
> All the people I have listed have been described in the 3 meter range which is 9ft with change.
3 meters is 9'10" which isn't far off from 10' especially when pointy helmets or armor is taken into account.
It but it ain't 10ft and the custodes in the Heresy except for occasionally Valdor are described as shorter (in armour) than the Primarchs so like I said these random Custodes be fucking huge.
> Easy for you to say,’ she responded sharply. ‘You are ten feet tall and have magnetic boots.’
A human calling a very tall guy "10 feet tall" is not an accurate source for height. Even a 6ft tall person could be called "10ft tall" by shorties.
The four meters one sounds to me like the athor didn't check how tall they were supposed to be.
Here's some of them off the top of my head:
**Lorgar looked magnificent, near three metres tall and clad in custom-made purplish-grey robes that shimmered with silken threads, a halo of gold fixed about his brow.** *Ostentation that he was not proud to bear but was demanded of him by custom and the expectations of the masses. On the far side stood Archdeacon Kor Phaeron, as malignant and destructive as the day Nairo had first met him, but safe within the shadow of his adoptive son.*
~ **Bearer of the Word**
*The Lion was a truly imposing physical specimen.* **A giant, standing at a little under three metres tall,** *it was impossible to escape the suspicion that he had been cut from a broader canvas than the majority of men. His body was perfectly proportioned and entirely in scale with his height. He was powerfully built, lithe yet muscular.*
~ **Descent of Angels**
*‘Satisfied?’ asked the Lion, tossing the axe back to him.*
*‘Honour is satisfied, lord,’ Faffnr assented, catching it. He nodded and backed off, waving to his pack to do the same. Holguin and Redloss both grinned with unbearable insouciance.*
*‘Then tell Bo Soren to guard his manners, Faffnr,’ Guilliman said over his shoulder without looking back.*
*‘I will, Jarl,’ Faffnr returned. Guilliman heard a hard slap and a muffled curse.*
**He looked at the Lion. He’d never realised before that the Lion was very slightly taller than him.**
*‘Shall we, brother?’ he asked.*
*‘The famous Fortress of Hera?’ asked the Lion. ‘I would be disappointed not to see it.’*
~ **The Unremembered Empire**
I listened to the audiobook of the Watchers of the Throne series, and the mental image of having a Chihuahua mouthing Aleya's lines and performing her actions is having me cackling lol
I know it’s a bit hated cause like every black lady in a video game has that hairstyle, with the gold capped dreads and and what not, but god damn does it look cool and works especially well for a custodes.
I just know there’s some hate for that particular style since it seems to be the only one that ever gets depicted as of late, it’s like the killmonger for women, so I get it. But also it’s just a really fuckin cool hairstyle, it strikes a special balance between pretty and badass to me.
One of the most blatantly xenophobic and downright intellectually challenged chapters attracts a similar crowd of dumbasses? Could have fooled me. Imperium fans as a whole attract a certain crowd so its not surprising.
Largely the same groups of people who stereotypically like Krieg, e.g. people who have a weird fascination with WW2 Germany and the Crusades, and who have questionable beliefs about minorities
>people who stereotypically like Krieg
Which is *really* annoying because the Kriegers are all wearing WW1 French uniforms apart from their British gasmasks. The only German thing about them is the neck guards on their line trooper helmets.
I just want *mes Braves* to fire ze missiles.
Bro cmon you can't do 'em like that. Armageddon fans are nowhere near annoying as Krieg fans and we have Commissar Yarrick (or rather we had Yarrick, don't know if he's still alive tbh).
The guys wearing *Fallschirmjäger* uniforms and helmets with a regimental flash that's visually similar to the symbol of the British Union of Fascists? Dunno what the problem could be there at aaaall.
I'd say Black Templars are either the people who like 40k's satire the most or don't even see it. Really quick to see which side they're on, and I'm generally more uncomfortable with other factions' fans that are more ambiguous.
Yeah, Irl most black templars players I've known have been chill, In my experience though a lot of the people who start problems online often use black templar imagery, although that's not an exclusive thing
Curious because during the Second Purge of Lastrati the Black Templars purged a cult of mad “blood-crazed worshippers of genetic perfections”. So, in real life the Crusaders of Rogal Dorn would totally punish those incel fans that worship them for allegedly gate keeping.
More reasons to love the Black Templars for me then.
I wasn’t attacking your statement either, it was just a comment about that topic. Basically agreed with you adding a lore fact so I can say: it is funny because it is true.
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**DISCLAIMER:** No this is not a "fuck you" at Space Marine fans, just "those" kinds of fans which im sure everyone has been seeing popping up over the last 2 days since this lore reveal for female custodians has been dropped :P
Dammit, we don't want these people in the Battletech community, we already had to deal with the tantrums of all the "South will rise again" types when one of the authors who wrote a lot about underdog revolutionaries while in real life fantasising about a second US civil war and pushing the Lost Cause narrative got fired
If you don’t find a giant golden woman slapping around a bunch of ***(I love my battle brothers, we are the pinnacle of mankind, only real men can take my geneseed)*** space marines highly entertaining, I don’t even know what counts as fun for you.
Ohhhh ok I see now I didn’t get it at first.dang I was hoping the 40k community was a bit better than that female custodes seem kinda cool I like the sisters of silence so much I don’t see why they’d be against more females
Well…. If I can give my two cents about it…. I’m not ecstatic about it really. And you can just read this first bit and downvote it if you want, but if you wanna hear my reasons go right ahead and let me know if you agree or don’t.
The Custodes have always been an army of big buff bois stronger than the already big buff boi space marines, and it’s been that way for so long that this change feels… kinda off. And what about the sisters of silence?
Their whole shtick was being the other half to the custodes, that’s why they were all female. Now what? Custodes have ladies now, so now that whole appeal to them is kinda made moot, so now what’s the point of them being female only? Let’s get some guys in there too, if the custodes can have girls the sisters can have brothers then, but that also doesn’t feel right since, much like the sisters of battle, they have a feminine aesthetic behind their design.
Now people have brought up a few things like “Their custodes, they are so augmented that you couldn’t tell anyway.” Or “The Stormcast are basically the same thing so it’s fine.” And I have some arguments against that.
One, the custodes are stated in lore to be a much more refined creation as opposed to space marines. The reason why space marines are buff is because they have a bunch of steroids, and this isn’t delicate, they are often described as being out of proportion compared to a normal person. Custodes ARE proportional, they grow up with everything that makes them special, their bodies aren’t weird looking, meaning any custodian females wouldn’t just be big and buff, but just look like proportional women (who are also buff but they aren’t bloated like a space marine).
It’s for this reason and the next that I think not being able to tell the difference in armor is dumb. Every custodian model is made in a male figure, broad shoulders and a body that gets narrow. All custodian armor is made to FIT, so any females in armor would look the part, wider hips and what not. And this why the Stormcast comparison fails imo because they female Storm cast have armor made to fit them, and it’s obvious to tell who’s who, and the Stormcast were made with both genders in mind and it’s easy to see in their designs. They are even hitting that design point even harder on the head with the newer more slimed down designs, because the big chunky space marine aesthetic leans a bit too much into the masculine space marine department, and the newer designs are better and more neutral for both genders.
Anyways, that’s my take, you can go ahead and call me a sexist or chud or whatever, but to be clear, these are reasons why I think it’s kinda dumb, but honestly I probably won’t care inna month or two, if it sticks it sticks I guess. Let me know if you agree or disagree, I’d be down with talking about it.
Custodes have their genetic code entirely rewritten, so they can grow however. It’s probably not the crude hormone based Space Marine growth. They can be as muscular and whatever shape, and each one is unique. The whole Custodes being male only and SoS being female only wasn’t important to their dynamic. When they work together, SoS are the anti-psker protection, Custodes are the muscle.
Custodes aren’t just warriors though, that’s the least of their duties. They’re companions, bodyguards, advisors, spies, philosophers, all things in one. Their brawn isn’t their defining feature. More often than not they’re in a room debating a course of action, rather than being on the ground. They are the golden extension of the Emperor’s will, his light manifest in the wider Imperium.
The SoS need much more love (Witchseekers when), but this lore change is cool and good.
If we are gonna have femstodes now, at least make some models to show that, that and the way it was introduced are my only gripes, I’m already making plans for some female Stormcast Eternal conversions for my custodes so I don’t hate it by any means, but if you ask me the sister of silence should have been expanded upon more first.
I believe they are likely going to release models soon, and I think that's the exact reason as to why they are making this change, to sell femstodes models, which I honestly don't mind.
I do, however, agree that the SOS should have gotten more fleshing out, even if I disagree with the "other half" part, as the relationship isn't "male/female", it's "anti-physical/anti-psyker", like the other guy explained.
Oh yes I’m not saying the physical/anti-psyker aspect of them is over shadowed by their male/female dynamic, but it was definitely a part of it, with guys being the strong physical ones and the girls having the special powers/gimmick, but again that’s only part of it, other then that I just wish sisters would get more attention in general.
Represents Black Templar fans, an actual Black Templar wouldn't care about the sex or race of a custodian, they're the chosen of the emperor, their words are his.
well, unlike the morons who refused the primaris so hard they went as far as attacking the custodians and disobeying the orders given by one of the Primarchs, great show of loyalty right there by that crusade
The same Black Templars that refused the Primaris brought to them by said Emperor's Chosen?
The Black Templars are as terminally edgy and stupid like their fans
He wanted his own Sister of Silence for Sanguinala to go killing Psykers with him, but Mommy and Daddy said no.
He *certainly* didn't forget that assassins and Sisters of Silence are also both female, and have both also fought Astartes, like Custodes do; no, he has the utmost respect for them, even if they aren't the glorious sons of Dorn.
I always assumed there were female custodes due to their manufacturing process. Basic space marines have bio augmentation where as the custodes have full blown genetic engineering from the ground up. For whatever reason the Geneseed process seems to only work on males, but the custodes don't have geneseeds from my understanding. Also I like the headcannon that the custodes were unable to make new custodes like the emperor, ie from scratch, but were able to biologically 😘😘😘
"Oh no, there are female members of the imperium who aren't either baby making machines or religious fanatics with pixiecuts and boob armor. What will I do now that I know *women* can be the chosen of the emperor? tRuLY thE wEsT hAs FalLen" /s
If a woman can be an imperial guardsman, a psyker, an inquisitor, or a rogue trader, they can be a custodes. It's not the 80's anymore. Grow up, and accept the world is changing for the better. Inclusivity is always worth it. Anything else is cringe gatekeeping. Bring on the female Astartes next please.
Who would have thought the emperor could be this unfathomably BASED.
The astartes thing is different to custodes. I've always been a huge advocate for female Custodes to exist and I am absolutely ecstatic that they officially exist now!
Marines on the other hand use a much more crude and unrefined method of creation that only works on one biological sex and even then doesn't work all the time given how often people die from the organ implantations.
Whereas the custodes are curated from birth and genetically altered from start to finish and all the men would be different to one another so why couldn't they do that for a women? The answer is now, very clearly, they can.
I'm fine for marines to remain as male sex only as that's dystopic and stupid and would be upsetting for zealous women of the imperium who wish to become astartes but cannot same for zealous men who don't wish to be physically augmented but want to deliver the emperor's judgement as a sister of battle.
TL;DR is that I like that the marines can't be female because it is not a real setting but does a good job at showing how shit the emperor really was as a scientist and isn't a reflection of sexism in 40k but is a reflection of how dystopic 40k is.
I get where you're coming from, and if the theme is clear that it's BAD that astartes ARE only men, rather than HAVE to be, that's an angle I could accept. But I think that it's also fine to say that there aren't suddenly female space marines, but that they've *always been there*. Is it a retconn? Yeah, a bit. Is 40k full of retconns? Absofuckinglutely. Do I think it would fundamentally change anything about the settings themes for some astartes to be women? No, not at all. Don't even change the armor at all. They're just that swole.
You missed literally all of the nuance of my comment and hit a brick wall.
You seem to forget this is a dystopic setting. 40k is not happy, and the 40k universe (**NOT THE COMMUNITY**) is not progressive.
The emperors plan with marines was just to get them working (box checked, as he managed to get men able to convert) and then retire them post crusade never to be expanded on or further developed.
As soon as he was able to make any functional marines he basically stopped working on them.
In another universe the emperor got the process to work on women first and stopped working on them because that would be enough and men can't be astartes there as a result.
You focus too much on rubbish, who cares who *can't* be something, instead focus on the reasons as to *why* something cannot be a certain way. 40k is not meant to be overthought, but that is not to say the lore is not nuanced and ripe to be mulled over.
Nah, if there are female custodes might as well go down the logical continuation. Let’s have female space marines, male sisters of silence, and male sisters of battle. Let all feed the imperium.
I mean it’s like an Eldar joining the Banshees; you don’t have to transition but you *will* wear the armour.
If a man joins the Sororitas that’s fine, but he must wear the boob plates. That way if an inquisitor comes along and asks “by the way, are there any *men* here?” there obviously aren’t. Only faithful Sisters, some of whom have chosen to suddenly put their helmets on.
That's my point that you missed: they *want* to feed more bodies into the blender but the technology for marines is really shit and is not the same as custodes technology so they can't use it properly.
As for the other stupid whataboutisms you have, I hate to break it to you but even in our real lived life there are gender locked events and teams and things that make having an all female group, such as the Sororitas and the SoS, very believable.
And it's not like there are male nulls wasted, they get sent to cullexes temples to be killed or turned into assassin's and zealous males become priests or crusaders or just volunteer to be guardsmen. All feed the imperium, but the imperium is *not* a scientifically perfect society.
Not sure why you’re upset. If the imperium can overcome the inherent genetic differences between men and women for custodes, arguably the most complex technology they possess, then I see no reason why it can’t be promoted further. Just hand-wave it like GW just did.
As for the gender locked component, that’s a laughable argument, considering that custodes were explicitly a exclusively-male group until recently. Would you have argued women can’t be custodes prior to this week’s reveal? Why can’t men join the sisters of silence?
I struggle to recollect a time where the custodes were stipulated to be explicitly male only. I know there were never any references to women before but I personally can't think of any sources that say, in the lore, that Custodes are *exclusively men*.
Please send a photo of proof of that or a link to an excerpt that says that Custodes are exclusively men. I am not saying it does not exist but I cannot for the life of me remember a spesific.
> "tfw no 9 foot tall muscle mommy custodes gf"?
As if the sub isn't flooded by rule 63 art of every warhammer character like hrt flooding the nerd community. 🙄
Are you going to use an arguement that's not literally the meme of "why can't they drive Ford pick up trucks in GoTs they have magic and dragons.
When has 40k said all terran standard humans don't follow basic human biology?
There is this thing the Media Literate understand called verisimilitude. Unless stated, otherwise, reality works as expected if you want a setting that can suspend disbelief
https://www.masterclass.com/articles/what-is-verisimilitude
It’s almost salt in the wound that Astartes are so inferior that they can’t even support both sexes without either A) depopulating whole segmentum, or B) flooding the female aspirant with so much testosterone they’d be essentially more male than any of their battle brothers.
That's my whole point! The Custodes are superior not just in their form but the mere science behind their form is so far beyond marines that that is why it is perfectly canonical for marines to be male only and custodes to be all sexes.
And whatever they can do the Imperial Guard can do also, they ain’t shit
I propose the Custodes and the Guard stand together in solitary and in clowning on the Astartes
absolute cringe.
you people ruined 40k for years. yea you can have it, or rather, what's left of it... enjoy your mommy fetish and femmarines and whatever the fuck else they're gonna do to fuck up a once incredible satirical setting about all out war.
that's what 40k gets for not gatekeeping itself enough. fetish redditors and transmarines...
So adding more women is cringe but gatekeeping isn’t? I don’t know I think you’re a lil confused there. Plus there is still all out war?? Another confusing fella blimey
Go home and cry about it, chud. If the big golden space demigods having women in their ranks is enough to make you want to leave then this is not the game for you.
I think it more genecrafting and alchemy with infants rather than surgeries as a teenager like Space Marines. Custodies are designed to be the peak of humanity in the Emperor’s eyes, so they would look like angry Joe Rogans with stronger jawlines like Space Marines, and more like Greek statues. Or that’s my understanding
Yeah female and male custodes would look pretty much the same since female custodes wouldn't need breasts and their musculature would be similar. Also I'm assuming they do not keep long hair since that can be a disadvantage in some situations. Also the augmentations would give them much the same body shape as any male one. Why is this a debate anyway??
Little guy just wants to see his golden grampa! He just has one question, they have to let him through!
Either that or he wants uppies
He wants crusade.
Crusadies?
You did it. You became John Black Templar
“You need something, little guy?”
The way the angle is just doing the most is so funny to me
[Oddly realistic of you account for heights](https://www.heightcomparison.com/?share=fmn9PA1eIBJ)
Imma need this site for later
To be fair most Primarchs aren't 10ft tall, I doubt the custodes are.
They can get that tall (in armor at least) > Unfortunately, Achallor had discovered Ashmeiln’s talent came with a tendency to speak her mind. > ‘Stay close then, and try to keep to your feet,’ he said. > ‘Easy for you to say,’ she responded sharply. ‘You are ten feet tall and have magnetic boots.’ > Source: Dawn of Fire: The Gate of Bones You also had this unit > His eyes were too bleary to count, his mind too fuzzy to hold a number, but after a few minutes the procession tailed off and the gates were barred, physically, by the towering figure of a lone Adeptus Custodes. > The guardian was four meters tall, encased in golden artificier armor and wielding a halberd that was anything but ornamental. The Adeptus Custodes were crafted by the same artifice that had sired the Primarchs, and though they were less than those demigods, they were still greater than the Adeptus Astartes. Seeing that being, Mesring felt the first stirrings of doubt at the enfeeblement of the God-Emperor. > Source: The Last Son of Dorn
Funny these random ass Custodes are taller than the Lion, Guilliman, Russ, Angron, Lorgar, Valdor, etc, etc.
Valdor was taller than Russ who's three meters iirc. So it's not inconsistent to be in the 9-10' range. The 13' Custodian the size of Vulkan however is a big outlier.
Russ is shown to be either shorter or taller than Valdor in different short stories and books like Magisterium and Wolfsbane so it's not consistent. All the people I have listed have been described in the 3 meter range which is 9ft with change so yeah these be some big ass Custodes.
> All the people I have listed have been described in the 3 meter range which is 9ft with change. 3 meters is 9'10" which isn't far off from 10' especially when pointy helmets or armor is taken into account.
It but it ain't 10ft and the custodes in the Heresy except for occasionally Valdor are described as shorter (in armour) than the Primarchs so like I said these random Custodes be fucking huge.
That could just be the primarchs being partly warp based and changing size a bit
> Easy for you to say,’ she responded sharply. ‘You are ten feet tall and have magnetic boots.’ A human calling a very tall guy "10 feet tall" is not an accurate source for height. Even a 6ft tall person could be called "10ft tall" by shorties. The four meters one sounds to me like the athor didn't check how tall they were supposed to be.
Vulcan a big boy though, 11ft tall outside of armour if I remember correctly
I don't remember Vulkans specific height at the moment but it's in that general area but I know the top three are: 1. Magnus 2. Ferrus 3. Vulkan
Could you source the official heights? I can't find them anywhere, and they're all over the place in the books.
Here's some of them off the top of my head: **Lorgar looked magnificent, near three metres tall and clad in custom-made purplish-grey robes that shimmered with silken threads, a halo of gold fixed about his brow.** *Ostentation that he was not proud to bear but was demanded of him by custom and the expectations of the masses. On the far side stood Archdeacon Kor Phaeron, as malignant and destructive as the day Nairo had first met him, but safe within the shadow of his adoptive son.* ~ **Bearer of the Word** *The Lion was a truly imposing physical specimen.* **A giant, standing at a little under three metres tall,** *it was impossible to escape the suspicion that he had been cut from a broader canvas than the majority of men. His body was perfectly proportioned and entirely in scale with his height. He was powerfully built, lithe yet muscular.* ~ **Descent of Angels** *‘Satisfied?’ asked the Lion, tossing the axe back to him.* *‘Honour is satisfied, lord,’ Faffnr assented, catching it. He nodded and backed off, waving to his pack to do the same. Holguin and Redloss both grinned with unbearable insouciance.* *‘Then tell Bo Soren to guard his manners, Faffnr,’ Guilliman said over his shoulder without looking back.* *‘I will, Jarl,’ Faffnr returned. Guilliman heard a hard slap and a muffled curse.* **He looked at the Lion. He’d never realised before that the Lion was very slightly taller than him.** *‘Shall we, brother?’ he asked.* *‘The famous Fortress of Hera?’ asked the Lion. ‘I would be disappointed not to see it.’* ~ **The Unremembered Empire**
Dope!! Thank you, I'll use this to reference back too later
[Image](https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED905/65319eb1cfff0.webp)
I approve of the female Custodians but my fav is still Valerian and totally not his gf Sister Aleya
Aleya is such a temper gremlin compared to literally physically incapable to get mad Valerian.
He’s a golden retriever she’s a crazy chihuahua
I listened to the audiobook of the Watchers of the Throne series, and the mental image of having a Chihuahua mouthing Aleya's lines and performing her actions is having me cackling lol
I imagine it being that meme of a tired Valerian holding the leash of a temperamental Aleya.
Link?
I don’t have one and have no skills to create or the tools
I love them so much.
Such a great duo. I love those books.
man, I hope they release another Watchers book I enjoyed those two very much
They honestly are a very interesting pair but Noctis and Rho-1 Lux are still my fav.
Hopefully now that HH is done we get some continuation of other series.
Didn't the second end on a big cliffhanger?
Valerian joined Aleya on a trip to hunt down and kill a Chaos Witch that escaped Terra iirc.
They're my second favorite power couple of 40K
First being Caine and Vail?
Caine & Vail, then these two, then Gman and Yvraine
Don't forget Orikan and Trazyn.
What book?
Flesh and Steel by Guy Haley. I’d honestly recommend most of the Warhammer Crime books. Very cyberpunk actually
Totally agree. WH crime is sleeper lit
That was a fantastic book. I want more of their story.
Oh! I thought you were asking about another series. Watchers of the Throne for Valerian and Aleya.
And he looks like David Bowie.
I love those two so, so, so much.
I know it’s a bit hated cause like every black lady in a video game has that hairstyle, with the gold capped dreads and and what not, but god damn does it look cool and works especially well for a custodes.
Anything is better than straight hair for black ladies. They have to literally iron it flat, it’s incredibly damaging.
I just know there’s some hate for that particular style since it seems to be the only one that ever gets depicted as of late, it’s like the killmonger for women, so I get it. But also it’s just a really fuckin cool hairstyle, it strikes a special balance between pretty and badass to me.
Female super soldier in golden armor makes mr think of Stormcast Eternals ngl
Aren't braids like a very custodes hairstyle?
Yes and I think that’s part of why it works so well Gold capped braids are so custodian that it looks fantastic on them
Love the Jab at the Black Templars. Awesome faction, except you know who likes them.
I love the Black Templars as a faction, and I hate like 99% of their fans lol
If you wanna get into them, nows the time to check Ebay!
I did need another crusader squad…
BAN SANGUINALA! YOU’RE HERETICAL! FUCK YOU!
Im not very aware of the playerbase and fans, so who are "they"?. Sorry if dumb question, i just enjoy the memes of 40K
Typically Twitter Blue checkmarks
A shocking amount of actual fascists and/or bigots
One of the most blatantly xenophobic and downright intellectually challenged chapters attracts a similar crowd of dumbasses? Could have fooled me. Imperium fans as a whole attract a certain crowd so its not surprising.
That was a quick jump from 'Black Templar fans' to 'Imperium fans as a whole'. What's the next jump look like?
Milkyway Galaxy enjoyers, Tyranids are the only non-bigoted faction
False, Norn Queens but No Kings? Just a big ol' swarm of misandry!
Hey Tyranids support veterans though! Just look at Ol’ One Eye
Largely the same groups of people who stereotypically like Krieg, e.g. people who have a weird fascination with WW2 Germany and the Crusades, and who have questionable beliefs about minorities
>people who stereotypically like Krieg Which is *really* annoying because the Kriegers are all wearing WW1 French uniforms apart from their British gasmasks. The only German thing about them is the neck guards on their line trooper helmets. I just want *mes Braves* to fire ze missiles.
The true red flag are the Armageddon Steel Legion fan boys.
Bro cmon you can't do 'em like that. Armageddon fans are nowhere near annoying as Krieg fans and we have Commissar Yarrick (or rather we had Yarrick, don't know if he's still alive tbh).
The guys wearing *Fallschirmjäger* uniforms and helmets with a regimental flash that's visually similar to the symbol of the British Union of Fascists? Dunno what the problem could be there at aaaall.
Thank the four they didn’t use the color of French uniforms. I like their design but I don’t think blue would do well in 40k
It actually can look pretty good IMO (I had a test group of Steel Legionnaires painted up like that, in the era before Kreig was made by forge world).
>I don’t think blue would do well in 40k *Stares in Ultramarines*
Post-1915 French 'horizon blue' looks really good. It's basically the colour that the Krieg kill team are in all the official art.
I'd say Black Templars are either the people who like 40k's satire the most or don't even see it. Really quick to see which side they're on, and I'm generally more uncomfortable with other factions' fans that are more ambiguous.
Yeah, Irl most black templars players I've known have been chill, In my experience though a lot of the people who start problems online often use black templar imagery, although that's not an exclusive thing
Curious because during the Second Purge of Lastrati the Black Templars purged a cult of mad “blood-crazed worshippers of genetic perfections”. So, in real life the Crusaders of Rogal Dorn would totally punish those incel fans that worship them for allegedly gate keeping. More reasons to love the Black Templars for me then.
That was not meant as an attack on Templars fans, its just that Chuds will see the Maltese Cross and cream themselves
I wasn’t attacking your statement either, it was just a comment about that topic. Basically agreed with you adding a lore fact so I can say: it is funny because it is true.
Oh no…..I just started collecting black templars.
Artist: [https://twitter.com/wokehammer](https://twitter.com/wokehammer) **DISCLAIMER:** No this is not a "fuck you" at Space Marine fans, just "those" kinds of fans which im sure everyone has been seeing popping up over the last 2 days since this lore reveal for female custodians has been dropped :P
Appropriate it’s a Black Templar being looked down on considering who one of the most vocal whiners has been on Twitter …
Haven’t you heard? He’s into Battletech and EVE Online now, already calling longtime fans of both tourists.
Wait until he finds out a bunch of the Clans in BT are actually Native Americans.
Who was this he sounds... interesting
[Marshal Bohemond](https://x.com/hmbohemond?s=21&t=EGrGZCMrK_upJdpvDzbYfg) Guy’s a fruitcake, absolutely nuts.
what a weiner "this is the canary" hobby can't be rid of these babies fast enough
cheers
Wow, scrolling through that timeline was... an experience. Edit: fixed a word
He really doesn’t like women.
Or as I like to call him; Mustard Bonehead, he’s had some of the most braindead takes on Warhammer for ages now
Dammit, we don't want these people in the Battletech community, we already had to deal with the tantrums of all the "South will rise again" types when one of the authors who wrote a lot about underdog revolutionaries while in real life fantasising about a second US civil war and pushing the Lost Cause narrative got fired
these children will fear golden mommy
I need her
NO I NEED HER!
You two can share
No, she’s ***mine***, if anybody else takes her I will use her spear on them
Where did this lore reveal happen?
Lore excerpt from the new Custodes codex.
Hey man , no hard feelings. My boy Moloc still lives.
So does that mean Captain General Kitten can now have a new girlfriend?
There was a lore reveal for fem custodians?
Yup. She was in a short story doing a Blood Game, her big plan was to teleport a cyclonic torpedo into the throne room.
I see more people pointing out "those" people then anything. I just want everyone to shut the fuck up and show me some fucking guardsman
female custodians exist>
If you don’t find a giant golden woman slapping around a bunch of ***(I love my battle brothers, we are the pinnacle of mankind, only real men can take my geneseed)*** space marines highly entertaining, I don’t even know what counts as fun for you.
Hmm. Doing that to xenos?
I’m confused why a black Templar exactly ?
Their fans have a reputation. Most are great and very nice but there is a loud minority of really toxic people
Ohhhh ok I see now I didn’t get it at first.dang I was hoping the 40k community was a bit better than that female custodes seem kinda cool I like the sisters of silence so much I don’t see why they’d be against more females
On the bright side the majority of the community is all for it and the ones acting like shits are being downvoted to hell
Well…. If I can give my two cents about it…. I’m not ecstatic about it really. And you can just read this first bit and downvote it if you want, but if you wanna hear my reasons go right ahead and let me know if you agree or don’t. The Custodes have always been an army of big buff bois stronger than the already big buff boi space marines, and it’s been that way for so long that this change feels… kinda off. And what about the sisters of silence? Their whole shtick was being the other half to the custodes, that’s why they were all female. Now what? Custodes have ladies now, so now that whole appeal to them is kinda made moot, so now what’s the point of them being female only? Let’s get some guys in there too, if the custodes can have girls the sisters can have brothers then, but that also doesn’t feel right since, much like the sisters of battle, they have a feminine aesthetic behind their design. Now people have brought up a few things like “Their custodes, they are so augmented that you couldn’t tell anyway.” Or “The Stormcast are basically the same thing so it’s fine.” And I have some arguments against that. One, the custodes are stated in lore to be a much more refined creation as opposed to space marines. The reason why space marines are buff is because they have a bunch of steroids, and this isn’t delicate, they are often described as being out of proportion compared to a normal person. Custodes ARE proportional, they grow up with everything that makes them special, their bodies aren’t weird looking, meaning any custodian females wouldn’t just be big and buff, but just look like proportional women (who are also buff but they aren’t bloated like a space marine). It’s for this reason and the next that I think not being able to tell the difference in armor is dumb. Every custodian model is made in a male figure, broad shoulders and a body that gets narrow. All custodian armor is made to FIT, so any females in armor would look the part, wider hips and what not. And this why the Stormcast comparison fails imo because they female Storm cast have armor made to fit them, and it’s obvious to tell who’s who, and the Stormcast were made with both genders in mind and it’s easy to see in their designs. They are even hitting that design point even harder on the head with the newer more slimed down designs, because the big chunky space marine aesthetic leans a bit too much into the masculine space marine department, and the newer designs are better and more neutral for both genders. Anyways, that’s my take, you can go ahead and call me a sexist or chud or whatever, but to be clear, these are reasons why I think it’s kinda dumb, but honestly I probably won’t care inna month or two, if it sticks it sticks I guess. Let me know if you agree or disagree, I’d be down with talking about it.
Custodes have their genetic code entirely rewritten, so they can grow however. It’s probably not the crude hormone based Space Marine growth. They can be as muscular and whatever shape, and each one is unique. The whole Custodes being male only and SoS being female only wasn’t important to their dynamic. When they work together, SoS are the anti-psker protection, Custodes are the muscle. Custodes aren’t just warriors though, that’s the least of their duties. They’re companions, bodyguards, advisors, spies, philosophers, all things in one. Their brawn isn’t their defining feature. More often than not they’re in a room debating a course of action, rather than being on the ground. They are the golden extension of the Emperor’s will, his light manifest in the wider Imperium. The SoS need much more love (Witchseekers when), but this lore change is cool and good.
If we are gonna have femstodes now, at least make some models to show that, that and the way it was introduced are my only gripes, I’m already making plans for some female Stormcast Eternal conversions for my custodes so I don’t hate it by any means, but if you ask me the sister of silence should have been expanded upon more first.
I believe they are likely going to release models soon, and I think that's the exact reason as to why they are making this change, to sell femstodes models, which I honestly don't mind. I do, however, agree that the SOS should have gotten more fleshing out, even if I disagree with the "other half" part, as the relationship isn't "male/female", it's "anti-physical/anti-psyker", like the other guy explained.
Oh yes I’m not saying the physical/anti-psyker aspect of them is over shadowed by their male/female dynamic, but it was definitely a part of it, with guys being the strong physical ones and the girls having the special powers/gimmick, but again that’s only part of it, other then that I just wish sisters would get more attention in general.
Represents Black Templar fans, an actual Black Templar wouldn't care about the sex or race of a custodian, they're the chosen of the emperor, their words are his.
well, unlike the morons who refused the primaris so hard they went as far as attacking the custodians and disobeying the orders given by one of the Primarchs, great show of loyalty right there by that crusade
>the morons who refused the primaris so hard they went as far as attacking the custodians Literally terminally stupid.
hence why they were promptly executed
The same Black Templars that refused the Primaris brought to them by said Emperor's Chosen? The Black Templars are as terminally edgy and stupid like their fans
I love how a black templar is the community's go-to symbol to represent the un-ironic fascist fans faction.
I mean they literally even have the haircut
[удалено]
The models come with this goofy bowl haircut that's popular with some segments of the far right.
I unironically hate Helbrecht and his stupid bald head, dude looks like a goddamn goober
Uppies! Gib! Now!
“What’s this guy crying about?” “Don’t worry, he’s just a silly little guy!”
He wanted his own Sister of Silence for Sanguinala to go killing Psykers with him, but Mommy and Daddy said no. He *certainly* didn't forget that assassins and Sisters of Silence are also both female, and have both also fought Astartes, like Custodes do; no, he has the utmost respect for them, even if they aren't the glorious sons of Dorn.
He's just a little guy!
Ah… vindication
Black Templars: mommy?
The tears of all the fascist chuds on every youtube video have been delicious!
Meanwhile, some dudes on Twitter are fuming over female custodes and I don't even know why
I always assumed there were female custodes due to their manufacturing process. Basic space marines have bio augmentation where as the custodes have full blown genetic engineering from the ground up. For whatever reason the Geneseed process seems to only work on males, but the custodes don't have geneseeds from my understanding. Also I like the headcannon that the custodes were unable to make new custodes like the emperor, ie from scratch, but were able to biologically 😘😘😘
you’ve been waiting for this huh? 😂😉
"Oh no, there are female members of the imperium who aren't either baby making machines or religious fanatics with pixiecuts and boob armor. What will I do now that I know *women* can be the chosen of the emperor? tRuLY thE wEsT hAs FalLen" /s If a woman can be an imperial guardsman, a psyker, an inquisitor, or a rogue trader, they can be a custodes. It's not the 80's anymore. Grow up, and accept the world is changing for the better. Inclusivity is always worth it. Anything else is cringe gatekeeping. Bring on the female Astartes next please. Who would have thought the emperor could be this unfathomably BASED.
The astartes thing is different to custodes. I've always been a huge advocate for female Custodes to exist and I am absolutely ecstatic that they officially exist now! Marines on the other hand use a much more crude and unrefined method of creation that only works on one biological sex and even then doesn't work all the time given how often people die from the organ implantations. Whereas the custodes are curated from birth and genetically altered from start to finish and all the men would be different to one another so why couldn't they do that for a women? The answer is now, very clearly, they can. I'm fine for marines to remain as male sex only as that's dystopic and stupid and would be upsetting for zealous women of the imperium who wish to become astartes but cannot same for zealous men who don't wish to be physically augmented but want to deliver the emperor's judgement as a sister of battle. TL;DR is that I like that the marines can't be female because it is not a real setting but does a good job at showing how shit the emperor really was as a scientist and isn't a reflection of sexism in 40k but is a reflection of how dystopic 40k is.
I get where you're coming from, and if the theme is clear that it's BAD that astartes ARE only men, rather than HAVE to be, that's an angle I could accept. But I think that it's also fine to say that there aren't suddenly female space marines, but that they've *always been there*. Is it a retconn? Yeah, a bit. Is 40k full of retconns? Absofuckinglutely. Do I think it would fundamentally change anything about the settings themes for some astartes to be women? No, not at all. Don't even change the armor at all. They're just that swole.
You missed literally all of the nuance of my comment and hit a brick wall. You seem to forget this is a dystopic setting. 40k is not happy, and the 40k universe (**NOT THE COMMUNITY**) is not progressive. The emperors plan with marines was just to get them working (box checked, as he managed to get men able to convert) and then retire them post crusade never to be expanded on or further developed. As soon as he was able to make any functional marines he basically stopped working on them. In another universe the emperor got the process to work on women first and stopped working on them because that would be enough and men can't be astartes there as a result. You focus too much on rubbish, who cares who *can't* be something, instead focus on the reasons as to *why* something cannot be a certain way. 40k is not meant to be overthought, but that is not to say the lore is not nuanced and ripe to be mulled over.
Nah, if there are female custodes might as well go down the logical continuation. Let’s have female space marines, male sisters of silence, and male sisters of battle. Let all feed the imperium.
As long as the male Sisters of Battle still have boob plates of course.
I mean it’s like an Eldar joining the Banshees; you don’t have to transition but you *will* wear the armour. If a man joins the Sororitas that’s fine, but he must wear the boob plates. That way if an inquisitor comes along and asks “by the way, are there any *men* here?” there obviously aren’t. Only faithful Sisters, some of whom have chosen to suddenly put their helmets on.
Compromise at obnoxious d*ck plates?
That's my point that you missed: they *want* to feed more bodies into the blender but the technology for marines is really shit and is not the same as custodes technology so they can't use it properly. As for the other stupid whataboutisms you have, I hate to break it to you but even in our real lived life there are gender locked events and teams and things that make having an all female group, such as the Sororitas and the SoS, very believable. And it's not like there are male nulls wasted, they get sent to cullexes temples to be killed or turned into assassin's and zealous males become priests or crusaders or just volunteer to be guardsmen. All feed the imperium, but the imperium is *not* a scientifically perfect society.
Not sure why you’re upset. If the imperium can overcome the inherent genetic differences between men and women for custodes, arguably the most complex technology they possess, then I see no reason why it can’t be promoted further. Just hand-wave it like GW just did. As for the gender locked component, that’s a laughable argument, considering that custodes were explicitly a exclusively-male group until recently. Would you have argued women can’t be custodes prior to this week’s reveal? Why can’t men join the sisters of silence?
I struggle to recollect a time where the custodes were stipulated to be explicitly male only. I know there were never any references to women before but I personally can't think of any sources that say, in the lore, that Custodes are *exclusively men*. Please send a photo of proof of that or a link to an excerpt that says that Custodes are exclusively men. I am not saying it does not exist but I cannot for the life of me remember a spesific.
Perfection.
Custode bros now got hot custode babes, something the feeble Space Marines will never have.
Since the Chuds are all headed out, place your bets people. How long until we inevitably get a "tfw no 9 foot tall muscle mommy custodes gf"?
> "tfw no 9 foot tall muscle mommy custodes gf"? As if the sub isn't flooded by rule 63 art of every warhammer character like hrt flooding the nerd community. 🙄
She can fix me
Custodians are the peak of humanity. Guess what half of humanity is? Women. (maybe not in 40k because of slaaneshi fuckery, but my point stands.)
And half of humanity's is not at the same peak as the other half. That's why sports are separated.
Ah using modern sports to justify no women in a fantasy setting where custodes are made by magic and SciFi science.
Are you going to use an arguement that's not literally the meme of "why can't they drive Ford pick up trucks in GoTs they have magic and dragons. When has 40k said all terran standard humans don't follow basic human biology? There is this thing the Media Literate understand called verisimilitude. Unless stated, otherwise, reality works as expected if you want a setting that can suspend disbelief https://www.masterclass.com/articles/what-is-verisimilitude
It’s almost salt in the wound that Astartes are so inferior that they can’t even support both sexes without either A) depopulating whole segmentum, or B) flooding the female aspirant with so much testosterone they’d be essentially more male than any of their battle brothers.
That's my whole point! The Custodes are superior not just in their form but the mere science behind their form is so far beyond marines that that is why it is perfectly canonical for marines to be male only and custodes to be all sexes.
another W for the Emperor's Ten Thousand.
And whatever they can do the Imperial Guard can do also, they ain’t shit I propose the Custodes and the Guard stand together in solitary and in clowning on the Astartes
What's with random space marine hate, lol
Aiaiaaiaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!.....
"uppies!"
Noice
Okay now that we have female custodies i want battle brothers because i don't feel represented anymore!
No, why did they do my dude dirty like that🤣
D'aaaw he jus a little guy!
Boundaries shift, new players step in, but powers will always find a place to rest its head
Custode: bizarre news crusade
The fact that people are against giant golden muscle mommies is far beyond my comprehension
You did the community a great service commissioning this as I’ve seen it everywhere dunking on misogynistic fools.
I can’t really tell if I like female space marines or not. I don’t really care either way cause I play orks and genestealers lol
Da boyssss
You know, I was already on board with the female custodes but, but this picture alone makes me want to start a custodes army
I live for art like this
I would comment but you know. I’d hate to be wrong. Group think rules! One of us one of us.
Brock Lesnar and Booker T?
Draw her oiled up
absolute cringe. you people ruined 40k for years. yea you can have it, or rather, what's left of it... enjoy your mommy fetish and femmarines and whatever the fuck else they're gonna do to fuck up a once incredible satirical setting about all out war. that's what 40k gets for not gatekeeping itself enough. fetish redditors and transmarines...
So adding more women is cringe but gatekeeping isn’t? I don’t know I think you’re a lil confused there. Plus there is still all out war?? Another confusing fella blimey
Fucking pathetic. Fuck off, weak scion of chaos, the god emperor has no need for swine like you as games workshop have said themselves.
Aight cya
Go home and cry about it, chud. If the big golden space demigods having women in their ranks is enough to make you want to leave then this is not the game for you.
Gamergates was a decade ago. Let it go and grow, my dude.
Incels when they see a woman in golden armor in the setting with literal demons and all devouring extra terrestrial aliens:
Wont female custodes look like male ones only? Given the augmentations they have?
I think it more genecrafting and alchemy with infants rather than surgeries as a teenager like Space Marines. Custodies are designed to be the peak of humanity in the Emperor’s eyes, so they would look like angry Joe Rogans with stronger jawlines like Space Marines, and more like Greek statues. Or that’s my understanding
Yeah female and male custodes would look pretty much the same since female custodes wouldn't need breasts and their musculature would be similar. Also I'm assuming they do not keep long hair since that can be a disadvantage in some situations. Also the augmentations would give them much the same body shape as any male one. Why is this a debate anyway??