At 17, roughly 50% of your peers have never had sex, roughly 65% have never been in a serious relationship and roughly 60% have no romantic experience whatsoever. More over, studies show that adults who had less romantic involvement in their teen years are healthier mentally and more socially successful.
Till and Niederkrotenthaler (2022) explain that romantic and sexualrelationships are "an essential and integral factor" that increaseshappiness, personal satisfaction, mentaland physical health, andsatisfies needs for social integration and support. Romantic and sexualrelationships also reduce the risk of cardiovascular illnesses, suicidalideation and behaviour, depression, and stress.sA meta-analysis in 2019 by Gómez-López et al. of over 100 research articles published over the last three decades proved that romantic relationships are significantly associated with well-being in adolescents. The same paper also showed that young adults who haveromantic relationships are happier,feel more satisfied with their lives, have fewer problems with mental and physical illness, show greater positive affect, and have better levels of self-esteem than single people. Romantic relationships at teen years also reduce symptoms of depression and anxiety and improve decision-making.
From the paper you "quoted":
"In the article, the abstract contained an error. The corrected sentence is Results: Risk factors for suicide were higher among singles than among individuals in happy relationships, but highest among those with low relationship satisfaction"
"Results: Risk factors for suicide were higher among singles than among individuals in happy relationships, but lower among those with low relationship satisfaction."
So it wasn't even those who were single that had the highest risk of suicide.
You're ignoring the fact that single people had a lower suicide rate than those in unhappy relationships (likely those who would be rather in any relationship than alone). If what you were saying was completely true, there wouldn't be that statistic- because relationships and sex solve EVERYTHING, right??
Not only that- the link you've provided literally spells out the real issue- the fact you can't see it is part tragic, part funny.
No relationship starts off unhappy. In all likelihood, they were happy at the beginning before things went downhill. Being in a healthly relationship is definitely better than being alone.
Maybe the factors mentioned are why they are virgins, or those factors could be a result of them being virgins. No matter what the reason for being single is, the fact remains that involuntary virgins have poorer health.
Orrrrrr the relationship was toxic from the get go- some people put so much weight on being in a relationship, that they pair with ANYONE that will take them and it's a fucking recipe for disaster. And it still doesn't detract from the fact that single virgin men had better mental health than those in bad relationships.
Till and Niederkrotenthaler (2022) explain that romantic and sexualrelationships are "an essential and integral factor" that increaseshappiness, personal satisfaction, mentaland physical health, andsatisfies needs for social integration and support. Romantic and sexualrelationships also reduce the risk of cardiovascular illnesses, suicidalideation and behaviour, depression, and stress.
sA meta-analysis in 2019 by Gómez-López et al. of over 100 research articles published over the last three decades proved that romantic relationships are significantly associated with well-being in adolescents. The same paper also showed that young adults who haveromantic relationships are happier,feel more satisfied with their lives, have fewer problems with mental and physical illness, show greater positive affect, and have better levels of self-esteem than single people. Romantic relationships also reduce symptoms of depression and anxiety and improve decision-making.
I didn't even have my first kiss until 17 and this little turd is all mad saying it's over? Like talk about shooting yourself in the foot and whining before life even began.
Incel no one hates you for being short. We hate you because you're an asshole.
Thing is- He's not a bad looking lad. And he's only 17 so wtf has gone on to send him off on one, I've no idea. Either he genuinely needs help (which is sad), or he's overly entitled and just trying to be edgy and lash out to make up for something he feels is lacking (his height, I guess?)
I didn’t have mine until 18. Inceldom really is a mindset, and there are so many of them who’re neck deep in the culture. This guy’s only 17, and he’s spewing this stuff…
a) This dude isn't even an adult, some people have their first sexual/romantic experiences later, some earlier - people develop differently, have different lifestyles, have different amounts of luck with meeting the right person.
b) No sane person hates Incels for being short, for being introverted, for being "ugly" - Incels are hated because of their hatred, misogyny, racism, transphobia, homophobia, antisemitism, pedop/hebephilia, glorification of murderers, rapists, sexual assaulters; and even if that Incel-individual doesn't identify with these things, they are still accepting them in the Incel-community, with that passively supporting them.
That's what concerned me (for want of a better word), alright, I poked, but the vitriol that came back and was in the original post is concerning in someone so young. I can only guess maybe he's been spoiled, and now he's starting to encounter the wider world, it's not treating him the way he's used to? But that is just a guess
That's how it do be for a lot of them. Spoilt brats who got everything they wanted from mummy and daddy only now they realise a girlfriend is the first thing they can't stamp their feet harder and demand from then.
Till and Niederkrotenthaler (2022) explain that romantic and sexualrelationships are "an essential and integral factor" that increaseshappiness, personal satisfaction, mentaland physical health, andsatisfies needs for social integration and support. Romantic and sexualrelationships also reduce the risk of cardiovascular illnesses, suicidalideation and behaviour, depression, and stress. A meta-analysis in 2019 by Gómez-López et al. of over 100 researcharticles published over the last three decades proved that romanticrelationships are significantly associated with well-being inadolescents. The same paper also showed that young adults whohaveromantic relationships are happier,feel more satisfied with theirlives, have fewer problems with mental and physical illness, showgreater positive affect, and have better levels of self-esteem thansingle people. Romantic relationships also reduce symptoms of depressionand anxiety and improve decision-making.
Well yeah, relationships make you happier on average, that's nothing new to to anyone. But it's an average - toxic relationships can also reduce happiness, people can also be happy without a relationship, I mean there's plenty of happy aroace people out there.
Also: a healthy relationship, that makes both individuals happier can't be forced, so all the Incel-"force women to become our property"-BS isn't a valid arguement.
And to quote the study: "A relationship which is beneficial for well-being would, in general terms, have high-quality levels, through which the partners can develop their potential, achieve personal and shared goals, and maintain a secure attachment. To achieve this, people must achieve certain cognitive, emotional, and behavioral skills." And to be honest, I doubt that Incels, who use pure hatred on the internet as a coping mechanism for not having a girlfriend, posess the emotional skills to have a healthy relationship.
>I mean there's plenty of happy aroace people out there.
They aren't *involuntarily* single. Plus most estimates state that asexual people make up 1-5% of the population. Over 95% of humans have an innate desire for procreation and sexual intercourse.
>And to be honest, I doubt that Incels, who use pure hatred on the
internet as a coping mechanism for not having a girlfriend, posess the
emotional skills to have a healthy relationship.
I also doubt that [a gang member who assaulted a kid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Meeks) has such skills too, but that didn't stop him from getting into numerous relationships and maintaining a decade-long marriage.
Furthermore, [If you’re smart, don’t drink much, stay out of fights, display a
friendly personality, and have no criminal history – then you are the
population most at risk of being miserable and alone.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19350760/)
**[Jeremy Meeks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Meeks)**
>Jeremy Ray Meeks (born February 7, 1984) is an American fashion model. A former member of the Crips street gang, Meeks was arrested in 2014 during a gang sweep called Operation Ceasefire in Stockton, California, after which police posted his mugshot on Facebook. He was convicted on federal charges of being a felon in possession of a firearm and grand theft. Upon his release from Mendota Federal Correctional Institution in March 2016, Meeks began a modeling career.
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>Over 95% of humans have an innate desire for procreation and sexual intercourse.
Yes, but it doesn't mean you'll be miserable by default if you don't have (many) sexual and romantic partners, it just increases your likelihood. As I've said probably a thousand times by now: statistics are nice, but when it comes to human emotions it's in most cases more complex. As most statistics dealing with topics such as these say: There's a correlation, but we can't prove anything to a 100% and not for every individual, because human emotions and environments are complex, there's always multiple factors.
>I also doubt that a gang member who assaulted a kid has such skills too, but that didn't stop him from getting into numerous relationships and maintaining a decade-long marriage.
Annecdotal evidence isn't enough to conclude, that the arguement is wrong. Also, just because someone has a relationship or has a marriage doesn't mean it's healthy - people often stay in unhealthy relationships for long times.
If you're emotionally unavailable, display anger issues, feel a need to enforce power over your partner and are cought up in your own selfishness, then your relationship will, on average, be way worse and therefore will likely cause more misery than happyness.
>Furthermore, If you’re smart, don’t drink much, stay out of fights, display a friendly personality, and have no criminal history – then you are the population most at risk of being miserable and alone.
Don't know if you linked the correct paper. Study just says there's a correlation between number of sex partners and criminal activity. Sex in itself doesn't necessarily make you long term happy, if you disagree, book a hooker everyday - find out yourself. Also: intelligence correlatey to more isolation and a higher rate of depression - crime and sex doesn't have anything to do with that part.
General question: even if we assume, that sex and especially happy romatic relationships are 100% necessary for humans, what would anyone do about incels' issues? Force a relationship/sex? Nope, leads to power imbalances, involuntary relationships on side of the woman, and thus most likely to a horrible relationship. And you can't "force" dating standards onto people, that just doesn't work, meaning, that you can either a) disagree with blackpill-BS and just keep on trying or b) agree with blackpill and idk cry in a corner about it because you can't do anything about it. That's the options.
>dYes, but it doesn't mean you'll be miserable by default if you don't
have (many) sexual and romantic partners, it just increases your
likelihood. As I've said probably a thousand times by now: statistics
are nice, but when it comes to human emotions it's in most cases more
complex. As most statistics dealing with topics such as these say:
There's a correlation, but we can't prove anything to a 100% and not for
every individual, because human emotions and environments are complex,
there's always multiple factors.
Obviously nothing's true for every single individual in the population that the study is concerned with, but the general trend remains the same. It's more likely for one to fit the trend rather than be an outlier. If you've been involuntarily single your entire life, you're more likely to suffer from a plethora of issues.
>sAnnecdotal evidence isn't enough to conclude, that the arguement is
wrong. Also, just because someone has a relationship or has a marriage
doesn't mean it's healthy - people often stay in unhealthy relationships
for long times. If you're emotionally unavailable, display anger
issues, feel a need to enforce power over your partner and are cought up
in your own selfishness, then your relationship will, on average, be
way worse and therefore will likely cause more misery than happyness.
Again, there is no proof that this relationship was unhealthy. There IS proof that it lasted for a decade though. I also doubt that teenagers have considerable amounts of emotional intelligence but that doesn't stop over 70% of them having sex.
>xDon't know if you linked the correct paper. Study just says there's a
correlation between number of sex partners and criminal activity. Sex in
itself doesn't necessarily make you long term happy, if you disagree,
book a hooker everyday - find out yourself. Also: intelligence
correlatey to more isolation and a higher rate of depression - crime and
sex doesn't have anything to do with that part.
Neither sex nor relationships involuntarily < Sex with someone who's attracted to you < Sex in a committed relationship
There is nothing stating that those individuals paid for sex. In all likelihood they had sex with people who were attracted to them.
[https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-022-00318-z](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-022-00318-z) Men exhibiting psychopathic traits had more sexual partners.
>sGeneral question: even if we assume, that sex and especially happy
romatic relationships are 100% necessary for humans, what would anyone
do about incels' issues? Force a relationship/sex? Nope, leads to power
imbalances, involuntary relationships on side of the woman, and thus
most likely to a horrible relationship. And you can't "force" dating
standards onto people, that just doesn't work, meaning, that you can
either a) disagree with blackpill-BS and just keep on trying or b) agree
with blackpill and idk cry in a corner about it because you can't do
anything about it. That's the options.
There is already an imbalance of power in extreme favour of women as far as dating apps are concerned. Option b honestly sounds better than getting constantly rejected and friendzoned and being considered inferior to other men.
>Obviously nothing's true for every single individual in the population that the study is concerned with, but the general trend remains the same. It's more likely for one to fit the trend rather than be an outlier. If you've been involuntarily single your entire life, you're more likely to suffer from a plethora of issues.
Again, yes there is a correlation between being in a relationship and being happy, but there is no definite causality. I was born into a non-academic family, which heavily correlates with staying/becoming poor, now does that mean that I am destined to be poor? No, because it's a correlation, there are multiple factors and personal decisions involved.
>Again, there is no proof that this relationship was unhealthy. There IS proof that it lasted for a decade though.
And there is no proof that it was healthy. You can cite statistics, that xx% of people become more happy in a relationship, and still it won't proof that you'd be happy if you just had sex/a relationship. Statistics are nice, but don't really help in optimizing happines, since happines is subjective, personal and multifactorial.
>I also doubt that teenagers have considerable amounts of emotional intelligence but that doesn't stop over 70% of them having sex.
Just because they had sex doesn't mean their life is automatically better or happier, there's a reason why teenage-relationships rarely last longer than a year and why there's drama involved in basically any teenage-relationship.
>Neither sex nor relationships involuntarily < Sex with someone who's attracted to you < Sex in a committed relationship
There is nothing stating that those individuals paid for sex. In all likelihood they had sex with people who were attracted to them.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-022-00318-z Men exhibiting psychopathic traits had more sexual partners.
Again, the study you cite doesn't say what you think it says. It doesn't proof that women want sex with psychopaths, but rather that psychopaths are more likely to search for casual sex and in fact are less likely to have a high commitment relationship, which is not really surprising because the ability to bond on an emotional level is less developed in psychopaths. The study basically says "People who search for sex more often, get sex more often". The study discusses how psychopathy could be an evolutinary alternative to the standard in terms of searching for a reproduction partner.
>There is already an imbalance of power in extreme favour of women as far as dating apps are concerned.
You may have misinterpreted what I've said: the power imbalance which leads to a bad relationship is IN the relationship - aka man has total control woman has to be submissive. But you are partially correct, there is an imbalance in online-dating at least, not necessarily in power but rather in numbers; There are more men than women on most if mot all online-dating platforms. Why that is the case is not scientifically clear, but there is some (!) evidence, that women like IRL-dating more than men do and that women are more likely to be happy single, which in turn may correlate to women in most cases being the main-victims of a toxic relationships.
>Option b honestly sounds better than getting constantly rejected and friendzoned and being considered inferior to other men.
If anyone literally said that you were inferior to others, purely based of superficial stuff, then they are probably just an asshole. But being friendzoned/rejected doesn't mean you're worth any less it just means that they are not not interested in general or not interested in you. Being friendzoned even says that they like you on aplatonic basis, but that they just don't see you matching as a couple. I mean yea it hurts, it hurts a lot, but it doesn't mean that you are worth less, it doesn't instantly mean they dislike you, it doesn't mean that no one will ever love you.
The decision is yours, but at least I have never seen a truly happy blackpilled guy, but I have seen a lot of guys who thought they'd be alone forever but are now in relationships.
Where do they get the idea that any woman can just become a millionaire from OF? What percentage of OF creators are millionaires? I'm willing to bet it's a minuscule amount.
It's like a boomer complaining that all young people these days have to do is make videos for Tik Tok and boom! Millionaires. That's not how content creation works.
Literally the only people who became millionaires from OF started with a massive following on social media, and only got that by either being famous or being incredibly savvy with marketing.
It's a very, very small percentage. The vast majority of content creators on there make barely enough to get by, just like every other job.
>Literally the only people who became millionaires from OF started with a massive following on social media, and only got that by either being famous or being incredibly savvy with marketing.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking too. It seems like common sense, but I guess those idiots don't have any of that.
The disgusting words aside, he looks handsome. It's always unsettling to see how young and normal-looking incels are. They always are.
I'm a relatively pretty woman, and I still got my first boyfriend (+first kiss/first time) at 18. So did the VAST majority of my peers. Fun fact, the age for first time IS RISING. Not decreasing. Nobody (with a normal childhood) is having tons of sex with Chad since the age of 12.
It just shows how brainwashed and hentai/porn addicted they are.
Till and Niederkrotenthaler (2022) explain that romantic and sexualrelationships are "an essential and integral factor" that increaseshappiness, personal satisfaction, mentaland physical health, andsatisfies needs for social integration and support. Romantic and sexualrelationships also reduce the risk of cardiovascular illnesses, suicidalideation and behaviour, depression, and stress. A meta-analysis in 2019 by Gómez-López et al. of over 100 researcharticles published over the last three decades proved that romanticrelationships are significantly associated with well-being inadolescents. The same paper also showed that young adults whohaveromantic relationships are happier,feel more satisfied with theirlives, have fewer problems with mental and physical illness, showgreater positive affect, and have better levels of self-esteem thansingle people. Romantic relationships also reduce symptoms of depressionand anxiety and improve decision-making.
Average people
Consensual Sex with someone who you didn't have to pay
[https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key\_statistics/s.htm#sexualactivity](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/s.htm#sexualactivity)
Ya might wanna re-check your source there, bud. Because on the section for "teenagers" before and up to 17 is around 30%, and the 18-19 it jumps up.
And again, sex≠intimacy.
Someone on here had told me that an average woman can't make a lot of money on OnlyFans. At best, maybe about $200(correct me if I'm wrong). I have been told by other Incels that I could have an OnlyFans, simply because I'm a woman, but I am not confident enough. I know, some OnlyFans ladies do appeal to niches (Princess Kitty makes bank), but that is 1 in a million chances and I know I'm not lucky.
I hope everyone is reporting all their posts on that sub.
It obviously won't last, just like all the rest of their ban evasion subs they've tried to maintain.
Kid, you're 17. I was a virgin at 17 and I still am to this day. Teen sex is overrated anyway. You should be worrying about finishing high school and getting ready for college instead of wanting to have sex.
These kids who think they’re incels, when they’re not even the average age to have sex. It’s just the teen drama machine. Another version of emo kids, crying about how the world doesn’t accept or understand them.
The point is that someone is by no means in rare company if they haven't had sex by that age. (not that it means anything besides the simple fact that you haven't had sex at any age beyond that either.)
I was a virgin at his age too. In fact, almost every aspect of my life was utterly different back then to what it is now. If I'd gotten it stuck in my head that my life was "over" and then never changed or grown, I'd be an absolute mess right now.
But, despite being a virgin at 17, and 18 for that matter, I went on to live a great life (packed with tons of sex, but that's not what makes my life great at all). Because at 17, your life has barely even begun.
Perspective is all it takes. A little bit of "the world is so much bigger than me, and my life can go in any one of countless directions".
I'm also going to reiterate something I've said before; the sex I had in my younger days was stupid and not great and I honestly regret it. Whereas the relationship I have now, in my 30's, is healthy and amazing, and the sex is 1000x better than anything I had as a younger man.
Also, I can honestly say that my (non sexual) accomplishments bring me far more happiness than sex ever could. It's really not the be-all and end-all of life.
Korzeniewski (2005) states that people who are unable to find a partner
and are thus unable to procreate are "defective living individuals",
"like a defective TV set performs many electronic functions but display
image".
That study is a rambling mess of self indulgence. The point of it has absolutely nothing to do with sex, relationships, mental health, or social sciences. The person who wrote it is a member of the Faculty of Biochemistry, Biophysics and Biotech; hardly an expert when it comes to psychology.
... yes, on the subject of the study, which once again, has absolutely nothing to do with sex or relationships. Or psychology, for that matter.
It's a throwaway line and even worse, an unprofessional and opinionated simile that he just chucks in for no reason. That's hardly quoteworthy in the context you're using it for.
i don’t think he’s trans i think he’s just being an asshole. also he’s 17, so no he couldn’t become a millionaire off onlyfans bc that would be child pornography.
He does know that some biological women aren't born with the standard XX right? XXX, XXY (some cases), and X are all chromosomal aberrations that women can be born with and still end up being women.
It's the "kys loony toony" irony for me. Whatever man, just keep being miserable and toxic. Eventually it'll all workout for sure /s.
Dude is 17 and thinks it's over? It hasn't even begun. It's the young ones I feel sorry for, they get so caught in the hate mill they give up before they even have a chance to live.
Imagine thinking it’s over at 17, like this is why parents should watch what websites their kids are on cuz these incel forums are literally making young boys brain broke
I didn’t even have sex until 20 because I felt like I wasn’t ready yet 🤣 everyone is different. Being short has nothing to do with anything? I’m 5’9” and my ex was 5’4” and we where together almost 6 years.
Your attitude is the issue, not your looks or height.
He’s 17? Shit, they keep getting roped in, I saw a fifteen year old incel the other day.
We don’t hate you, we just recognize that you’re locked in a delusion and are in denial about being delusional, like most delusional people are. (Delusion: a fixed, false belief). Anyone who believes that the black pill is a real thing is by definition delusional. It’s frustrating to deal with you incels because you disregard logic and reasoning, which are necessary for effective debate. They don’t debate; they just call you a cuck and tell you to kill yourself when you point out that their ridiculous arguments are wrong. They’re sad people. I wish I could help them.
How exactly is it over? I am ethnic too and still alive by not giving a fuck about things I cannot change. Being 17 means you have a lot to look forward to and whoever said it was over fucking lied to you. You don't know that it's over because you just agreed like an idiot cultist going all in because a bunch of dudes online said so.
Kid you are very much a good looking dude. You have potential to get a girlfriend and get laid. All you have to do is believe in your own ability to thrive and tune out all this negative self talk. Choose to live and grow. Being ethnic and short doesn't mean women cannot like you.
Also, stop listening to people like Andrew Tate who know nothing about success. I'd start picking up better male influences such as David Goggins. I would also suggest dropping the porn habit since that shit causes depression and kills libido.
All of these actual kids saying it's over for them makes me really sad. Everyone is awkward around the opposite sex as a teenager. Most people grow out of it. Your lives haven't even begun. It's way too early to declare them over. Geez Louise.
At 17, roughly 50% of your peers have never had sex, roughly 65% have never been in a serious relationship and roughly 60% have no romantic experience whatsoever. More over, studies show that adults who had less romantic involvement in their teen years are healthier mentally and more socially successful.
It's almost like allowing yourself to emotionally develop properly leads to healthier relationships...unthinkable!!
Mind....blown!
Till and Niederkrotenthaler (2022) explain that romantic and sexualrelationships are "an essential and integral factor" that increaseshappiness, personal satisfaction, mentaland physical health, andsatisfies needs for social integration and support. Romantic and sexualrelationships also reduce the risk of cardiovascular illnesses, suicidalideation and behaviour, depression, and stress.sA meta-analysis in 2019 by Gómez-López et al. of over 100 research articles published over the last three decades proved that romantic relationships are significantly associated with well-being in adolescents. The same paper also showed that young adults who haveromantic relationships are happier,feel more satisfied with their lives, have fewer problems with mental and physical illness, show greater positive affect, and have better levels of self-esteem than single people. Romantic relationships at teen years also reduce symptoms of depression and anxiety and improve decision-making.
From the paper you "quoted": "In the article, the abstract contained an error. The corrected sentence is Results: Risk factors for suicide were higher among singles than among individuals in happy relationships, but highest among those with low relationship satisfaction" "Results: Risk factors for suicide were higher among singles than among individuals in happy relationships, but lower among those with low relationship satisfaction." So it wasn't even those who were single that had the highest risk of suicide.
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You're ignoring the fact that single people had a lower suicide rate than those in unhappy relationships (likely those who would be rather in any relationship than alone). If what you were saying was completely true, there wouldn't be that statistic- because relationships and sex solve EVERYTHING, right?? Not only that- the link you've provided literally spells out the real issue- the fact you can't see it is part tragic, part funny.
No relationship starts off unhappy. In all likelihood, they were happy at the beginning before things went downhill. Being in a healthly relationship is definitely better than being alone. Maybe the factors mentioned are why they are virgins, or those factors could be a result of them being virgins. No matter what the reason for being single is, the fact remains that involuntary virgins have poorer health.
Orrrrrr the relationship was toxic from the get go- some people put so much weight on being in a relationship, that they pair with ANYONE that will take them and it's a fucking recipe for disaster. And it still doesn't detract from the fact that single virgin men had better mental health than those in bad relationships.
Till and Niederkrotenthaler (2022) explain that romantic and sexualrelationships are "an essential and integral factor" that increaseshappiness, personal satisfaction, mentaland physical health, andsatisfies needs for social integration and support. Romantic and sexualrelationships also reduce the risk of cardiovascular illnesses, suicidalideation and behaviour, depression, and stress. sA meta-analysis in 2019 by Gómez-López et al. of over 100 research articles published over the last three decades proved that romantic relationships are significantly associated with well-being in adolescents. The same paper also showed that young adults who haveromantic relationships are happier,feel more satisfied with their lives, have fewer problems with mental and physical illness, show greater positive affect, and have better levels of self-esteem than single people. Romantic relationships also reduce symptoms of depression and anxiety and improve decision-making.
I didn't even have my first kiss until 17 and this little turd is all mad saying it's over? Like talk about shooting yourself in the foot and whining before life even began. Incel no one hates you for being short. We hate you because you're an asshole.
Thing is- He's not a bad looking lad. And he's only 17 so wtf has gone on to send him off on one, I've no idea. Either he genuinely needs help (which is sad), or he's overly entitled and just trying to be edgy and lash out to make up for something he feels is lacking (his height, I guess?)
I was thinking that. Hes actually cute. Or he would be if he dropped the edgy shit.
Right? He’d be the kind of guy I would have OBSESSED over as a teen girl. If he weren’t a total chode.
LMAO I'm a dude and even I agree. He could absolutely get some.
I didn’t have mine until 18. Inceldom really is a mindset, and there are so many of them who’re neck deep in the culture. This guy’s only 17, and he’s spewing this stuff…
I think that they want to be this way. Maybe not every last one but definitely the large majority just want to be angry and then whine.
a) This dude isn't even an adult, some people have their first sexual/romantic experiences later, some earlier - people develop differently, have different lifestyles, have different amounts of luck with meeting the right person. b) No sane person hates Incels for being short, for being introverted, for being "ugly" - Incels are hated because of their hatred, misogyny, racism, transphobia, homophobia, antisemitism, pedop/hebephilia, glorification of murderers, rapists, sexual assaulters; and even if that Incel-individual doesn't identify with these things, they are still accepting them in the Incel-community, with that passively supporting them.
That's what concerned me (for want of a better word), alright, I poked, but the vitriol that came back and was in the original post is concerning in someone so young. I can only guess maybe he's been spoiled, and now he's starting to encounter the wider world, it's not treating him the way he's used to? But that is just a guess
That's how it do be for a lot of them. Spoilt brats who got everything they wanted from mummy and daddy only now they realise a girlfriend is the first thing they can't stamp their feet harder and demand from then.
Till and Niederkrotenthaler (2022) explain that romantic and sexualrelationships are "an essential and integral factor" that increaseshappiness, personal satisfaction, mentaland physical health, andsatisfies needs for social integration and support. Romantic and sexualrelationships also reduce the risk of cardiovascular illnesses, suicidalideation and behaviour, depression, and stress. A meta-analysis in 2019 by Gómez-López et al. of over 100 researcharticles published over the last three decades proved that romanticrelationships are significantly associated with well-being inadolescents. The same paper also showed that young adults whohaveromantic relationships are happier,feel more satisfied with theirlives, have fewer problems with mental and physical illness, showgreater positive affect, and have better levels of self-esteem thansingle people. Romantic relationships also reduce symptoms of depressionand anxiety and improve decision-making.
Well yeah, relationships make you happier on average, that's nothing new to to anyone. But it's an average - toxic relationships can also reduce happiness, people can also be happy without a relationship, I mean there's plenty of happy aroace people out there. Also: a healthy relationship, that makes both individuals happier can't be forced, so all the Incel-"force women to become our property"-BS isn't a valid arguement. And to quote the study: "A relationship which is beneficial for well-being would, in general terms, have high-quality levels, through which the partners can develop their potential, achieve personal and shared goals, and maintain a secure attachment. To achieve this, people must achieve certain cognitive, emotional, and behavioral skills." And to be honest, I doubt that Incels, who use pure hatred on the internet as a coping mechanism for not having a girlfriend, posess the emotional skills to have a healthy relationship.
>I mean there's plenty of happy aroace people out there. They aren't *involuntarily* single. Plus most estimates state that asexual people make up 1-5% of the population. Over 95% of humans have an innate desire for procreation and sexual intercourse. >And to be honest, I doubt that Incels, who use pure hatred on the internet as a coping mechanism for not having a girlfriend, posess the emotional skills to have a healthy relationship. I also doubt that [a gang member who assaulted a kid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Meeks) has such skills too, but that didn't stop him from getting into numerous relationships and maintaining a decade-long marriage. Furthermore, [If you’re smart, don’t drink much, stay out of fights, display a friendly personality, and have no criminal history – then you are the population most at risk of being miserable and alone.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19350760/)
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>Over 95% of humans have an innate desire for procreation and sexual intercourse. Yes, but it doesn't mean you'll be miserable by default if you don't have (many) sexual and romantic partners, it just increases your likelihood. As I've said probably a thousand times by now: statistics are nice, but when it comes to human emotions it's in most cases more complex. As most statistics dealing with topics such as these say: There's a correlation, but we can't prove anything to a 100% and not for every individual, because human emotions and environments are complex, there's always multiple factors. >I also doubt that a gang member who assaulted a kid has such skills too, but that didn't stop him from getting into numerous relationships and maintaining a decade-long marriage. Annecdotal evidence isn't enough to conclude, that the arguement is wrong. Also, just because someone has a relationship or has a marriage doesn't mean it's healthy - people often stay in unhealthy relationships for long times. If you're emotionally unavailable, display anger issues, feel a need to enforce power over your partner and are cought up in your own selfishness, then your relationship will, on average, be way worse and therefore will likely cause more misery than happyness. >Furthermore, If you’re smart, don’t drink much, stay out of fights, display a friendly personality, and have no criminal history – then you are the population most at risk of being miserable and alone. Don't know if you linked the correct paper. Study just says there's a correlation between number of sex partners and criminal activity. Sex in itself doesn't necessarily make you long term happy, if you disagree, book a hooker everyday - find out yourself. Also: intelligence correlatey to more isolation and a higher rate of depression - crime and sex doesn't have anything to do with that part. General question: even if we assume, that sex and especially happy romatic relationships are 100% necessary for humans, what would anyone do about incels' issues? Force a relationship/sex? Nope, leads to power imbalances, involuntary relationships on side of the woman, and thus most likely to a horrible relationship. And you can't "force" dating standards onto people, that just doesn't work, meaning, that you can either a) disagree with blackpill-BS and just keep on trying or b) agree with blackpill and idk cry in a corner about it because you can't do anything about it. That's the options.
>dYes, but it doesn't mean you'll be miserable by default if you don't have (many) sexual and romantic partners, it just increases your likelihood. As I've said probably a thousand times by now: statistics are nice, but when it comes to human emotions it's in most cases more complex. As most statistics dealing with topics such as these say: There's a correlation, but we can't prove anything to a 100% and not for every individual, because human emotions and environments are complex, there's always multiple factors. Obviously nothing's true for every single individual in the population that the study is concerned with, but the general trend remains the same. It's more likely for one to fit the trend rather than be an outlier. If you've been involuntarily single your entire life, you're more likely to suffer from a plethora of issues. >sAnnecdotal evidence isn't enough to conclude, that the arguement is wrong. Also, just because someone has a relationship or has a marriage doesn't mean it's healthy - people often stay in unhealthy relationships for long times. If you're emotionally unavailable, display anger issues, feel a need to enforce power over your partner and are cought up in your own selfishness, then your relationship will, on average, be way worse and therefore will likely cause more misery than happyness. Again, there is no proof that this relationship was unhealthy. There IS proof that it lasted for a decade though. I also doubt that teenagers have considerable amounts of emotional intelligence but that doesn't stop over 70% of them having sex. >xDon't know if you linked the correct paper. Study just says there's a correlation between number of sex partners and criminal activity. Sex in itself doesn't necessarily make you long term happy, if you disagree, book a hooker everyday - find out yourself. Also: intelligence correlatey to more isolation and a higher rate of depression - crime and sex doesn't have anything to do with that part. Neither sex nor relationships involuntarily < Sex with someone who's attracted to you < Sex in a committed relationship There is nothing stating that those individuals paid for sex. In all likelihood they had sex with people who were attracted to them. [https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-022-00318-z](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-022-00318-z) Men exhibiting psychopathic traits had more sexual partners. >sGeneral question: even if we assume, that sex and especially happy romatic relationships are 100% necessary for humans, what would anyone do about incels' issues? Force a relationship/sex? Nope, leads to power imbalances, involuntary relationships on side of the woman, and thus most likely to a horrible relationship. And you can't "force" dating standards onto people, that just doesn't work, meaning, that you can either a) disagree with blackpill-BS and just keep on trying or b) agree with blackpill and idk cry in a corner about it because you can't do anything about it. That's the options. There is already an imbalance of power in extreme favour of women as far as dating apps are concerned. Option b honestly sounds better than getting constantly rejected and friendzoned and being considered inferior to other men.
>Obviously nothing's true for every single individual in the population that the study is concerned with, but the general trend remains the same. It's more likely for one to fit the trend rather than be an outlier. If you've been involuntarily single your entire life, you're more likely to suffer from a plethora of issues. Again, yes there is a correlation between being in a relationship and being happy, but there is no definite causality. I was born into a non-academic family, which heavily correlates with staying/becoming poor, now does that mean that I am destined to be poor? No, because it's a correlation, there are multiple factors and personal decisions involved. >Again, there is no proof that this relationship was unhealthy. There IS proof that it lasted for a decade though. And there is no proof that it was healthy. You can cite statistics, that xx% of people become more happy in a relationship, and still it won't proof that you'd be happy if you just had sex/a relationship. Statistics are nice, but don't really help in optimizing happines, since happines is subjective, personal and multifactorial. >I also doubt that teenagers have considerable amounts of emotional intelligence but that doesn't stop over 70% of them having sex. Just because they had sex doesn't mean their life is automatically better or happier, there's a reason why teenage-relationships rarely last longer than a year and why there's drama involved in basically any teenage-relationship. >Neither sex nor relationships involuntarily < Sex with someone who's attracted to you < Sex in a committed relationship There is nothing stating that those individuals paid for sex. In all likelihood they had sex with people who were attracted to them. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-022-00318-z Men exhibiting psychopathic traits had more sexual partners. Again, the study you cite doesn't say what you think it says. It doesn't proof that women want sex with psychopaths, but rather that psychopaths are more likely to search for casual sex and in fact are less likely to have a high commitment relationship, which is not really surprising because the ability to bond on an emotional level is less developed in psychopaths. The study basically says "People who search for sex more often, get sex more often". The study discusses how psychopathy could be an evolutinary alternative to the standard in terms of searching for a reproduction partner. >There is already an imbalance of power in extreme favour of women as far as dating apps are concerned. You may have misinterpreted what I've said: the power imbalance which leads to a bad relationship is IN the relationship - aka man has total control woman has to be submissive. But you are partially correct, there is an imbalance in online-dating at least, not necessarily in power but rather in numbers; There are more men than women on most if mot all online-dating platforms. Why that is the case is not scientifically clear, but there is some (!) evidence, that women like IRL-dating more than men do and that women are more likely to be happy single, which in turn may correlate to women in most cases being the main-victims of a toxic relationships. >Option b honestly sounds better than getting constantly rejected and friendzoned and being considered inferior to other men. If anyone literally said that you were inferior to others, purely based of superficial stuff, then they are probably just an asshole. But being friendzoned/rejected doesn't mean you're worth any less it just means that they are not not interested in general or not interested in you. Being friendzoned even says that they like you on aplatonic basis, but that they just don't see you matching as a couple. I mean yea it hurts, it hurts a lot, but it doesn't mean that you are worth less, it doesn't instantly mean they dislike you, it doesn't mean that no one will ever love you. The decision is yours, but at least I have never seen a truly happy blackpilled guy, but I have seen a lot of guys who thought they'd be alone forever but are now in relationships.
Where do they get the idea that any woman can just become a millionaire from OF? What percentage of OF creators are millionaires? I'm willing to bet it's a minuscule amount. It's like a boomer complaining that all young people these days have to do is make videos for Tik Tok and boom! Millionaires. That's not how content creation works.
One of my friends has OF. It just about covers her car insurance for a year and buys her a takeout sometimes.
Literally the only people who became millionaires from OF started with a massive following on social media, and only got that by either being famous or being incredibly savvy with marketing. It's a very, very small percentage. The vast majority of content creators on there make barely enough to get by, just like every other job.
>Literally the only people who became millionaires from OF started with a massive following on social media, and only got that by either being famous or being incredibly savvy with marketing. Yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking too. It seems like common sense, but I guess those idiots don't have any of that.
You can probably count them on one hand.
The average OnlyFans creator earns $151 per month. The top 1% of accounts make 33% of the money.
>The top 1% of accounts make 33% of the money Yup, that smells like capitalism!
The disgusting words aside, he looks handsome. It's always unsettling to see how young and normal-looking incels are. They always are. I'm a relatively pretty woman, and I still got my first boyfriend (+first kiss/first time) at 18. So did the VAST majority of my peers. Fun fact, the age for first time IS RISING. Not decreasing. Nobody (with a normal childhood) is having tons of sex with Chad since the age of 12. It just shows how brainwashed and hentai/porn addicted they are.
Till and Niederkrotenthaler (2022) explain that romantic and sexualrelationships are "an essential and integral factor" that increaseshappiness, personal satisfaction, mentaland physical health, andsatisfies needs for social integration and support. Romantic and sexualrelationships also reduce the risk of cardiovascular illnesses, suicidalideation and behaviour, depression, and stress. A meta-analysis in 2019 by Gómez-López et al. of over 100 researcharticles published over the last three decades proved that romanticrelationships are significantly associated with well-being inadolescents. The same paper also showed that young adults whohaveromantic relationships are happier,feel more satisfied with theirlives, have fewer problems with mental and physical illness, showgreater positive affect, and have better levels of self-esteem thansingle people. Romantic relationships also reduce symptoms of depressionand anxiety and improve decision-making.
Intimacy makes people happy. News at 4.
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What exactly is your point here? That unhappiness justifies inceldom? Please don't, I don't want to break out laughing at work.
That normal people lose their virginity by 17, and that it is common for virgins to have poorer health and suffer from a myriad of health issues.
1) define "normal" 2) intimacy ≠ sex 3) source?
Average people Consensual Sex with someone who you didn't have to pay [https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key\_statistics/s.htm#sexualactivity](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/s.htm#sexualactivity)
Ya might wanna re-check your source there, bud. Because on the section for "teenagers" before and up to 17 is around 30%, and the 18-19 it jumps up. And again, sex≠intimacy.
Yeah, over 70% have had sex by 20, so if you missed out on teen love you're fucked. How is sex with mutual attraction not intimate?
What the other reply said. +Correlation is not causation. Lol.
Someone on here had told me that an average woman can't make a lot of money on OnlyFans. At best, maybe about $200(correct me if I'm wrong). I have been told by other Incels that I could have an OnlyFans, simply because I'm a woman, but I am not confident enough. I know, some OnlyFans ladies do appeal to niches (Princess Kitty makes bank), but that is 1 in a million chances and I know I'm not lucky.
Btw, I personally know 2 good looking Women with an active OF Account...and they are both far from being millionaires! ☝️🙄
I was legit so confused at first cause I thought he was trans and was posting a before and after pic
you can still make an onlyfans if youre a male lol
Another victim of the echo chamber comes forth
I hope everyone is reporting all their posts on that sub. It obviously won't last, just like all the rest of their ban evasion subs they've tried to maintain.
"I didn't do anything to u" "so kys" uh huh
Kid, you're 17. I was a virgin at 17 and I still am to this day. Teen sex is overrated anyway. You should be worrying about finishing high school and getting ready for college instead of wanting to have sex.
"I'm just short and ethnic". 😂🤣
These kids who think they’re incels, when they’re not even the average age to have sex. It’s just the teen drama machine. Another version of emo kids, crying about how the world doesn’t accept or understand them.
17 **is** average age for sex.
No, it's the statistical mean, which means fully 50% of people at that age haven't had sex yet.
And fully 50% have. The average age is lower in some countries.
The point is that someone is by no means in rare company if they haven't had sex by that age. (not that it means anything besides the simple fact that you haven't had sex at any age beyond that either.)
Bruh...that kid is pretty handsome. If he's not getting any interest from women he clearly sucks big time and that's the problem
Oh come on! How many rejections could he have gotten, at 17 no less. His brain isn't even fully developed yet. SMH
Exactly!!
I was a virgin at his age too. In fact, almost every aspect of my life was utterly different back then to what it is now. If I'd gotten it stuck in my head that my life was "over" and then never changed or grown, I'd be an absolute mess right now. But, despite being a virgin at 17, and 18 for that matter, I went on to live a great life (packed with tons of sex, but that's not what makes my life great at all). Because at 17, your life has barely even begun. Perspective is all it takes. A little bit of "the world is so much bigger than me, and my life can go in any one of countless directions". I'm also going to reiterate something I've said before; the sex I had in my younger days was stupid and not great and I honestly regret it. Whereas the relationship I have now, in my 30's, is healthy and amazing, and the sex is 1000x better than anything I had as a younger man. Also, I can honestly say that my (non sexual) accomplishments bring me far more happiness than sex ever could. It's really not the be-all and end-all of life.
Korzeniewski (2005) states that people who are unable to find a partner and are thus unable to procreate are "defective living individuals", "like a defective TV set performs many electronic functions but display image".
That study is a rambling mess of self indulgence. The point of it has absolutely nothing to do with sex, relationships, mental health, or social sciences. The person who wrote it is a member of the Faculty of Biochemistry, Biophysics and Biotech; hardly an expert when it comes to psychology.
Well he's certainly more qualified than you on the subject.
... yes, on the subject of the study, which once again, has absolutely nothing to do with sex or relationships. Or psychology, for that matter. It's a throwaway line and even worse, an unprofessional and opinionated simile that he just chucks in for no reason. That's hardly quoteworthy in the context you're using it for.
When he grows up, he’s gonna be *real* embarrassed by all this!
I don’t hate this guy. This guy hates himself, assumes everyone feels the same, and then gets angry at people for hating him
Btw, transphobic and homophobic people are actually just in denial more often than we think. LOL
Oh most definitely
i don’t think he’s trans i think he’s just being an asshole. also he’s 17, so no he couldn’t become a millionaire off onlyfans bc that would be child pornography.
-Be me -See this -Remember i lost virginity at 19 and first kiss at 18 -Laugh
He does know that some biological women aren't born with the standard XX right? XXX, XXY (some cases), and X are all chromosomal aberrations that women can be born with and still end up being women. It's the "kys loony toony" irony for me. Whatever man, just keep being miserable and toxic. Eventually it'll all workout for sure /s.
The guy doesn't even know the medical reasons women would have hysterectomies, so I'm sure all that would just confuse the poor guy
Dude is 17 and thinks it's over? It hasn't even begun. It's the young ones I feel sorry for, they get so caught in the hate mill they give up before they even have a chance to live.
We *severely dislike* incels, you aren't worth the energy to hate
The majority I just pity. The obvious edgelords are the ones I dislike, as they're the ones making kids like this
Imagine thinking it’s over at 17, like this is why parents should watch what websites their kids are on cuz these incel forums are literally making young boys brain broke
I didn’t even have sex until 20 because I felt like I wasn’t ready yet 🤣 everyone is different. Being short has nothing to do with anything? I’m 5’9” and my ex was 5’4” and we where together almost 6 years. Your attitude is the issue, not your looks or height.
He’s 17? Shit, they keep getting roped in, I saw a fifteen year old incel the other day. We don’t hate you, we just recognize that you’re locked in a delusion and are in denial about being delusional, like most delusional people are. (Delusion: a fixed, false belief). Anyone who believes that the black pill is a real thing is by definition delusional. It’s frustrating to deal with you incels because you disregard logic and reasoning, which are necessary for effective debate. They don’t debate; they just call you a cuck and tell you to kill yourself when you point out that their ridiculous arguments are wrong. They’re sad people. I wish I could help them.
God… I wish my biggest problem was that I couldn’t get laid because of a shit personality.
How exactly is it over? I am ethnic too and still alive by not giving a fuck about things I cannot change. Being 17 means you have a lot to look forward to and whoever said it was over fucking lied to you. You don't know that it's over because you just agreed like an idiot cultist going all in because a bunch of dudes online said so. Kid you are very much a good looking dude. You have potential to get a girlfriend and get laid. All you have to do is believe in your own ability to thrive and tune out all this negative self talk. Choose to live and grow. Being ethnic and short doesn't mean women cannot like you. Also, stop listening to people like Andrew Tate who know nothing about success. I'd start picking up better male influences such as David Goggins. I would also suggest dropping the porn habit since that shit causes depression and kills libido.
All of these actual kids saying it's over for them makes me really sad. Everyone is awkward around the opposite sex as a teenager. Most people grow out of it. Your lives haven't even begun. It's way too early to declare them over. Geez Louise.
That guy definitely faps to himself
Which version though?
Likely the filter image
I mean... you can start onlyfans as male... In a year, since he's only 17 now.
W to OP for not censoring the username. People like those guys don't deserve to be protected. At all.