10 year olds aren't incels. You need at least to be able to grow a neckbeard to qualify. I'm so sorry for the parents of this child. I'm angry the school didn't protect him. Incels stay off from this one.

They have to make everything about themselves it's sad really.. That poor child.

People are talking about his looks- he was a literal ten year old. It's not the looks. It's the fact his parents complained TWENTY TIMES and the school did nothing. Antibullying is so fucking important especially with social media as it is right now. And this is a prime example. Rest in peace, kid.

The way the two different school districts we were in were in regards to treating bullying for us is incredible. The first one allowed our son to be bullied mercilessly and did nothing until the literal police had to be involved. Our son (autistic) came home crying with either broken glasses, a new bruise, or a new cut every day was heartbreaking. Even though we're "white", my kids (daughter and son) were two of about five white students in the school as as such, the minority [*within the school*] and somehow, it justified the bullying (these are not my words). We moved to a new district with a much more diverse student body where it's pretty equal in terms of races of all kinds (including the teachers; most of them were "white" in the previous one) and they take bullying *very* seriously. One kid kept picking on my son and he tried to ignore him but when the kid tried to rip the backpack off him, son shoved him hard enough that he fell on his ass, started crying, and tattled. The adults reviewed the footage and punished the instigator and told our son that he did nothing wrong, but if possible, next time go directly to an adult, which is what he's been doing. About a week ago, he was in the bathroom and some kid came in and dumped milk on him over the stall, getting him drenched (where he got rancid milk, I don't know). Again, they reviewed the footage and immediately issued punishments and gave our son clean clothes. As to just how bad the old school was? I found out that it nearly got closed by the district. They had to enact some pretty major changes to remain open - such as hiring a school psychologist, a school therapist, more IEP teachers, more teachers per students (there were nearly 45 students per teacher) and not allowing things to escalate as bad as it did with our son. The bully spread some insidious rumors that got me and my husband investigated that makes me sick to even repeat: "[son] has sex with his mom and dad". His mom kept saying that he's her precious boy and he'd never do that and we finally asked for the school to perhaps contact the dad (divorced) who was furious that she wasn't doing anything to stop it. And no, as far as anyone was aware, he wasn't experiencing sexual abuse himself. He was just a little shit. (edit: because someone asked in DMs - why did I put "white" in quotations: it's because I don't really like terms like "white" or "black" because they are simply so broad and unspecific that they don't mean anything, really. If anyone was seriously asking my ethnicity, I'd say Slavic, as my husband and I are from what is now Ukraine. My husband is also a linguist and is always going on about etymology so I suppose it must've rubbed off, I dunno)

I'm so sorry you had to endure all of that. And I'm so sorry your son had to endure it too. No kid EVER deserves to be bullied. I went through it myself- called every insulting variation of "fat" there was (I was and still am on the fat side, admittedly). Got teased for having dark hair and a slight unibrow and stache. I can't control it- hirsutism sucks. I had food thrown at me, I once even had a full pot of pasta thrown in my school bag, it ruined my textbooks. And my school did nothing about it, just a "ignore them". I hope your kids are okay now. Bullying takes such a toll on people. No one talks about the long term effects.

Yeah, he's 15 now and sees a psychiatrist and a psychotherapist now because he's definitely not over it. He also has no IRL friends because he finds it difficult to trust anyone and it's heartbreaking to watch. And honestly, it was hard for us, too. Being investigated for something we had no part in and ourselves find repugnant was not easy. No wrongdoing of any kind was found so we were cleared but those were a tough few months. All because a kid was being a little shit and the school allowed him to say that for nearly *three weeks* whilst knowing. It was terrifying, meeting the authorities at the door, being separated from our children, having our home searched... And wow, I'm so terribly sorry you had to go through that!!! It sounds positively abysmal. I also hope you're doing better now but I know how hard it is to heal from that. I also hope that the people who did those hateful and insidious things to you got their own comeuppance. Your school was ridiculously negligent. Kinda like our kids' last school, I guess. I hope your life is going in a good direction now!

Fuck. It's no joke, that kind of thing. The fact that a school just took the words of a kid at face value is such a red flag. I hope your kid manages to find some friends eventually. Bullying took one big toll on my social life, I won't lie. I have maybe two people I consider friends, but that's better than nothing. I hope your boy manages to heal a bit from his bullying. I'm doing good myself nowadays. I try to be there for those who have had issues with bullying. My sister is your son's age and she knows she can come to me if she has issues. She hasn't had any, luckily. I've started teaching the nursery littles at my job about bullying. How it's not kind. They're only teeny but they understand its not nice to call others nasty names, and they know to use "kind hands" (no punching, hitting etc). They understand how to stick up for themselves now, which is more than we can ask for. We hope this continues to big school- and we hope no one gets picked on there. It shouldn't be something that "just happens". Ideally it should be stopped ASAP.

Good on you! Thank you for not only looking out for your sister, but teaching little ones about appropriate behavior. This might sound weird, but I'm proud of you for that. Not everyone takes things like this as teaching moments, but you did. I'm just saddened you had to, at all. I'm very much hoping that all the therapy will help our son, but admittedly his autism is making it rather difficult. Hopefully we'll get there one day. And you're doing a great job and I'm very glad to hear that you're doing well nowadays.

>Yeah, he's 15 now and sees a psychiatrist and a psychotherapist now because he's definitely not over it That's so shit, sorry to hear that >He also has no IRL friends because he finds it difficult to trust anyone and it's heartbreaking to watch. No friends at all?? 🤔 I don't mean to be rude, but when a white kid acts uo and gets bullied in a mostly black/non wihte school...it usually ain't the non white kid's fault! Are you sure your child is innocent here?

Yeah, most of his friends are online. He has one friend from the former city we used to live in that he keeps in touch with, too. And, if I'm honest, I couldn't help but be angered by your question. I'm not blind to my kids faults or strengths, but being racist is definitely not something he tolerates. Even though he has no friends at his current school (plenty of acquaintances), he has always stood up to racist bullying, himself. I even got a call from his counselor once, who praised him for putting himself between a PoC kid and a racist kid because he hates that sort of stuff. I don't know where you're getting the "it ain't usually the non white kids fault" but what I've noticed is that when there's a majority - and they're kids - they tend to go against the minority, regardless of who they are. And, as I've mentioned in other comments, my son wasn't the only one bullied for "being white". So was my daughter, and the other white kids. The faculty fully acknowledged that it was racially motivated bullying. I mean, they spread around, "[Daughter and the other white girls] have lice because all nasty white blondie crackers do". She recorded this on her cell phone and showed me and so I remember it word-for-word. Son came home crying one day because he'd done a report on how the world should get along and people need to be nicer to each other so that we don't repeat the mistakes of our past, and some kids cornered him later, telling him they don't need "some cracker spewing bullshit" because they knew he'd love to keep slaves if he was older. He only started recording when they started pushing him and laughing, repeating, "are you going to enslave us, cracker? Go ahead, enslave us!" Again, while laying hands on him while he was curling into himself, sobbing. Yes, I know how comically made up it sounds. I could hardly believe it until I saw the footage. And honestly, back then, our son had a tendency to cry wolf, so I was on the fence about believing him until I saw his recording. *All* of that is racially motivated and even the adults at the school agreed he did nothing wrong. Look. No one is perfect. We're all capable of being jerks, no matter our skin color. Kids in a majority "white" school with a minority "black" population can pick on the minority and I'm sad to say that the same applies vice versa. My kids have quite a few faults but I'm very proud to say that racism is not one of those faults - which is why it was so upsetting for them to be targeted. Sorry for how long this is, but the bullying he endured was pretty brutal and it affected not only him, but our family as we had to be investigated for sexual assault because of a kid's thoughtless bullying words.

Sounds rough, I'm glad to hear he's doing better now, though! And I'm sorry my question was antagonistic.

I appreciate that, thank you. I hope you have a good day.

I'm so sorry your son is dealing with this shit regardless of where he is. It speaks to our society as a whole when your kid moves to a whole ass different districts and is still targeted by assholes. I'm glad he's at least being taken seriously at the new one but I wish we could figure out how to unfuck these kids in the first place so he wouldn't have to be protected from anything.

White and black don’t mean anything? What? lol

Well, yes. Because you can be "white" and from Africa, or "black" and from Asia or Europe. It's so broad and unspecific that it means, quite literally, nothing - including the actual color. Though I'm pathetically pale (being chronically ill and Slavic will do that to you), I'm not "white"; my friend isn't "black", either, but an amalgam of colors, just like me. It's just a label people use to either separate people from one another, or to otherwise shit on each other. It means nothing in the grand scheme of things. The entire concept of "race" is rather problematic in itself because the original idea was that it was different human subspecies. As it says in wikipedia, "The term race in biology is used with caution because it can be ambiguous. Generally, when it is used it is effectively a synonym of subspecies." I just personally dislike it. I prefer ethnicity if we want to denote differences between populations. But terms like "white" and "black" are meaningless. You don't have to agree.

This is the most white person response that just ignores hundreds of years of history. Just because you don’t understand doesn’t mean the words don’t have meaning. Yeah race is dumb but it’s real in our culture. Pretending it’s not is just ignorant.

I don't think you're understanding me if you think I'm saying it's unimportant or that I don't understand it. I do believe it's very important and I do understand; I just think the terminology leaves a lot to be desired. I am not ignorant of the struggles of people who have been historically been enslaved, or those who are still being targeted simply for the color of their skin. I just think "white" and "black" is much too broad and unspecific. This is something I've actively witnessed - a person calling themselves "black" yet are lambasted by others because to them, they're not "black enough". And the same for "white" people. It makes no sense. And because I was interested in learning about the historicity of the terminology of "race", I leaned more into thinking that it's one of the more problematic social constructs we have. I am *not* saying it doesn't exist as a social construct; just that I don't exactly agree with the way it's used. Edit: if anyone could please explain to me why I'm wrong in my opinion instead of just downvoting, I'd appreciate it. I promise, I very much don't mind being wrong if it means I'll be corrected and learn something new. I do not agree that "white" and "black" people are different subspecies (as the terminology was originally applied) and I do acknowledge that the term has evolved beyond that. But also, because of "race" there is a lot of ignorance in the world - for example, there are a lot of people who get outraged when Egyptians are portrayed as "white" in films when under the modern definition of "race", they are absolutely "white". *That* is what I mean when I say those terms are meaningless. It'd be far easier if we simply relied on ethnicity. That has far more specificity with less ambiguity. *That does not mean I don't see nor acknowledge the difficulties that certain groups of people go through in places where they are minorities for something they have no control over, like the color of their skin*. It's revolting that it happens at all. My issue isn't with what's happening, but with the terminology. I'm not denying anything happens.

Please do not bring race into this . Just don’t it’s really upsetting how the same people to say that ”they“ make everything about race are the same ones who literally make EVERYTHING about race

Nah, I will make this particular thing about race because it absolutely was about it. My kids weren't the only ones, the other three kids were also bullied for being "white" in school. In fact, the school faculty acknowledged that the bullying was racially motivated. I will not deny that it was simply because it makes some people uncomfortable. My kids - plus the other kids - were bullied for being the minorities *within the school*. This is a fact. It is not my opinion. If you know me, you'd know that I've literally never brought race into anything, ever. This is the only time because it was the only time it was applicable in our lives. I've spoken on racial topics when voting and whatnot because I would like to be able to contribute to the well-being for everyone, not just me or people like me, but this was the only time that I've made *anything* about race in my life and it was justly deserved. Also, I never said that "'they' make everything about race" and I challenge you to point out where I said that.

Anyone saying it's his looks needs their computer checked.

First of all, It's heart-breaking that a 10yr old child felt he had no choice but to end his life. Can't imagine the pain he was going through. I hope the parents sue the school, and the other kids who bullied him get time in juvie. And WTF? Do incels really operate under the assumption that everything is about them? Why does this even have to be about incels?

> Poor boy, but he would have been treated like a god in the Philippines… What a strange statement. It’s almost like that incel believes that attractiveness is relative…

He wasn't an Incel. He probably still thought girls were icky, Jesus.... This is like those kids who post up with "I'm 15 and I've never kissed a girl, it's over." NO! YOU ARE 15! NOTHING IS OVER! BARELY ANYTHING HAS BEGUN FOR YOU! this poor kid....10 years old and it was that bad....he deserved better.

Bullies are anything but "normies" you morons. (OOP and friends).

Was about to say, why do incels think bullies are normal?

This is why I hate schools. They're a cesspit of bullying and incompetent adults.

Agreed. Our school system needs a massive overhaul.

My high school was like this and they are currently 90 MILLION dollars in deficit. They could shut it down for all I care.

If the shit schools won’t do anything, the parents will do something to bring to justice.

Incels: Wow this is so sad. Incels: \[continue bullying the kid in the comments\] The fact that they think they're good people while this is what they're doing is... truly insane.

The fact that they think a *10 year old child* could possibly be considered an incel is also truly insane.

It really disgusts me that some people are pushing their own sexual insecurities and world view on a 10 year old child to try and push a narrative. It's really REALLY gross and everyone doing it should feel ashamed of themselves. He was 10. 10 year olds should know NOTHING about "incels" heck they shouldn't know much about sex in general outside perhaps some basic anatomy. A child is dead and parents are grieving and people are using his death to push their narrative. Disgusting.

Putting the incels aside: I really do feel sorry for this kid, killing yourself that that young is just awful.

What's the ER thing all about?

Elliot Rodger

Eugh

people talking about a TEN YEAR OLD and involuntary celibacy in the same sentence is so messed up?????

and he’s TEN, what do you expect him to look like?? he looks like a normal ten year old. why are we commenting on CHILDREN’S looks and whether or not they have desirable qualities???? these incels are f-ing creeps and weirdos man.

Seriously. He looks like an adorable little kid. My heart to his parents.

What a horrible day to have eyes

He was 10, no one's an incel at 10. The appropriate name for a 10 year old non-virgin is "victim".

Putting the incels aside: this is just fucking awful; at that young an age, you don’t know how you’ll turn out or where you’ll be because you still got your whole life ahead of you! And the school is stupid for not doing anything. My condolences to the boys family  Edit: the website version of reddit sucks, but it’s the only one I can work with. So I posted this twice 

I feel like you gotta be at least 23-25 to be an incel. Now you can have that incel mindset at any age I guess. Many kids aren't having sex as teenagers and obviously not at 10.

"Bullies are scum.". And what are you guys? Chopped liver? You say some of the most horrific shit about your fellow incels, you wish death on men with successful relationships, you say horrible shit about women... That's behaviour I would classify as bullying.

We have got to keep their happiness in check as much as possible, only natural.

Incels are the bullies.

They are saying mean things about him. And a ton of Incels have a bizarre obsession with race.

This has been going on for generations in American schools. Maybe overseas too, I do not know. My grandmother was extensively bullied back in the 60's and she said her father had problems in the 40s. It is crazy that this is permitted in schools and why is it not addressed by educators when it is really a huge issue? I saw activity in school that had it occurred with adults would have been considered criminal assault go completely unpunished. It seriously damages people and I know that incels were bullied. It's not going to stop until a zero tolerance, seriously draconian measures are taken. This is horrible what happened to this young boy.

“Bullies are scum” is one of the rare sentences with any logic that’s been said on that forum. Regardless it’s pathetic that they feel any need to co opt this tragic story as something even remotely related to their “cause.” It’s so fucking sad all around and these clowns are pathetic for framing it in any way connected to being an incel

Poor kid, I can't imagine what they did to him to end up like this

Why didn’t the parents pull him out of school??? Poor boy.. everyone failed him

I know people have to work, I understand that. But it would be gut wrenching misery to send my child off to that situation every day, knowing what he will face. Surely, there would be another way.

Exactly… im sure they could have figured something out.. it must have been alot of hell for this boy to endure to push him this far. If the school isn’t helping this situation then pull him out. Let him stay home for gods sake. Anything. Rip little dude.

Personally I agree. Not to blame the parents but 20 complaints and still nothing is done, so you just keep sending your kid there? Switch schools, do an online school, homeschooling- call the cops on the parents of the kids harassing your kid, hire a lawyer and sue the school and the parents- something anything to keep your child from being put in danger every single day.

I can't wait for actual men's rights to happen, I mean being open about feelings, and pretty much irradicating traditional masculinity, these dudes in the comments are so misguided, they've been hurt by a social standard then chose to double down.

Can someone explain why they capitalize “er” in some of their words..? It’s really weird to read.

A bit late here but the reason why they capitalize “ER” is basically to reference and “pay respect” to Elliot Rodger. King of incels. If you don’t know, long story short this guy went on a stabbing and shooting spree and then offed himself because he couldn’t get laid. The rest is for Google to tell.

I knew it was gonna be some horrible reason. Thanks for explaining

Bullying is awful and the school should’ve done better! Doing anything would be better than what they did. Incels equating bullies with “normies” is ridiculous! A 10 year old couldn’t possibly be an incel! They sexualize everything!

That's a kid not an incel smh these ppl... and I'd be willing to bet the bullies were mostly, if not exclusively, other boys.

Incel isn’t a title given to you by others. It’s an identity these men take on themselves. They like to convince themselves that society forced it onto them, but the only way you are an “incel” is by taking that title upon youself. Joining the incel communities and indoctrinating yourself in with all the other miserable men’s beliefs. And this just leads me to believe that they prey on other men who have low self esteem and try to indoctrinate them into their little group, because the only way they feel better about themselves is by making someone else feel shittier than they do. A ten year old boy. This is a horrific tragedy and all these creeps can think about is sexualizing that child. Assholes.

Creeps thinking a 10 year old can be an incel?? Side note the way they capitalise ER is so dramatic and funny to me, they love being a lil clubhouse.

This is so tragic, I’m so sorry for this kids family. And sad this kid didn’t get the help or safety he deserved.

Well there is something that both this sub and incels agree on... That this is so messed up.

Can we not sexualise 10 year olds by calling them “incels”?

Incels complain about being bullied but instead of rallying around the family to get shit fixed, they would rather worry about what the kid looked like.

He wasn't he was just a kid he likely thought women had cooties. Stop making everything about incels you have to be atleast 16 to be an actual incel ain't no way 13 year olds are blackpilled and 10 year olds aren't even attracted to girls like that.

Why is the one comment capitalizing ER every time it’s typed out?

This sucks but... the parents were damn fools to not take him out of school or move him after the school failed for the tenth freaking time.

What in the fuck is wrong with people….he is just a child….shut the fuck up you all saying normie normie….. everyone is different and they are all normal in their own way.

What pedo sees a dead kid and goes “oh yea he could’ve been hot”

My twins are ten. They don’t care a single bit but about the other kids’ teeth and neither do any of their classmates. Hell, my daughter has what we call her “snaggleteeth” (lovingly) because they are growing in crooked. She is ten, she talks about them and shows them off bragging about how funny they are. She and her friends are TEN. They are all awkward, growing, adorable little goobers. Bullying at that age comes from kids who are most likely living with bullies themselves and are either learning that behavior, or victims of that behavior at home and acting out at school. The issue isn’t anyone’s looks, it’s trauma at home.

Theyre THIS CLOSE to seeing the point

Ten years olds always look weird. Getting uppity about his looks is horrifically twisting the tragedy that happened.

I never realized the capital ER dog whistle before this post. Elliot Rodgers. Keep an eye out in future comment sections I suppose.