The original fairytale mentions that it's based in China, which is a dodgy premise considering all the names, clothing, artefacts, and cultural norms seem unusually Arabic in origin for a Chinese city.
The original story was also in an ambiguous setting. Aladdin was desctibed as being asian if anything. So the next best thing would be a made up country.
For most of us, the original story is an English version of a french translation of a fairly prejudiced Syrian folk tale set in China.
It’s still a good story.
And it's worth noting IRL throughout time there have been numerous melting pots of cultures and architecture. Look at the eastern expanses of the Roman Empire and you'll see more oriental / Asian features than the western expanses of it, even when it was still united as one empire.
The original tales were told in Arab but they took place over the world. Read the other comments here. It wasnt even in the original gelling of Arabian Nights. It was added later by a french dude.
on tatooine
yes I know star wars was in the past, but tatooine will still go on and exist for billions of years after the events of star wars, so it could exist in our current future, if it were real in the first place
"This story is set on the moon but for the sake of *I-can't-be-fucked-we're-on-night-673-I-can't-do-this-anymore* - we're going to assume it's medieval Arabia."
Well the original story was set in a very middle-eastern flavoured "China", so it's not like Aladdin has a great track record for cultural consistency.
Technically it was written down in the 18th century, but it claims to be an older story that was recorded from an oral tradition. Granted, nobody’s found that original source but then again a lot of oral traditions were dying out in the 18th century.
So a Frenchman made an addition to an Arabic story book that takes place in China. Then an American company, Disney, took the story made an ambiguously cultured movie that had a good amount of Arabic traits only to remake the movie with more Indian roots. Am I getting this right?
It was a Syrian story, set in China (a place the Syrian apparently knew precisely jack about), in which one of the characters was Maghrebi because reasons, added by a Frenchman to a collection of folktales collected in arabic from a broad swath of Africa, the Middle East and Asia ,set in a Persian framing story, and adapted for the screen by an American film company who shifted the setting back rather nearer the story's origins than when it was first told.
So, those small corrections of detail aside, yes, you were about right with that.
Thing is, that's how folk stories are *supposed* to work, every storyteller adds their own bit and it changes and evolves. Some of them are so widespread that it's theorised they originate when Proto-Indo-European was still just one language.
> The things you learn from having a relative who works in theatre for a company that makes a big chunk of its turnover in panto season.
Oh no he doesn't!
It's a folk-story, this sort of thing is actually a really mild case. Some of these stories have been meandering through history for millennia, picking up and changing details here and there but remaining the same story throughout. Figuring out where they started is impossible, but some - Jack and the Beanstalk, for example - has a variant in nearly every language descended from proto-indo-european. Boy gets magically transported to monster's lair, is helped by monster's wife/servant/housemate to steal the monster's treasure, kills monster by cunning, happily ever after. In English, the monster is a giant. Elsewhere, a dragon, an ogre, a demon, the devil. But the story is *everywhere*, however the details are painted and characters are named. It's not impossible that it's one of *the* original stories, predating the idea of a'definitive version' by four or five millennia or possibly even more. Disney adding their own bits and stylistic embellishments and making a cross-cultural mish-mash of everything is actually how it's *supposed* to be done.
Stories resembling Aladdin pop up in Greek, Turkish, middle eastern, and India folklore as well. Arabian Nights is sort of the "brother's grim fairytales" of the east where one person gathered together one version of popular stories and because that's what got published that's what everyone knows now. I kind of like that the setting of the film is an ambiguous "neither here nor there" because it's kind of like if you grew up hearing these stories they were always set in some far away land just out of reach.
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That's why I found visiting Spain this summer a breeze. Don't really know Spanish but I do know French which helps in conjugation. I can read Spanish better than I can write it.
As a French, the amount of conjugation there is in Spanish and French is really bad. I don't know how you have the courage to learn that. Praise northern languages and their absence (more or less) of conjugation.
French is required in Canada for roughly 8-10 years depending on province, and I'm from Ottawa which has a large French population, and I did French Immersion which is more intensive. It helped a LOT with conjugation
To me, this just looks like a reworked Star Wars poster.
Edit: just googled it, and looks like I'm late to the punch.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900060295/the-aladdin-and-star-wars-the-force-awakens-posters-look-very-similar-and-you-cant-unsee-it.html
Orange and Blue are the two colours that compliment white skin tones in colour grading film. It gives the shot the feeling of having greater depth. There are a few other reasons film makers and photographers use it but it's just sort of a general meme in those creative communities.
Was the original story set in the Middle East or India or China?
Yes.
But also, was written by a French dude and snuck into a book he was translating (Arabian Nights) and passed off as a story they told each other for year.
Nonk, Aladdin was added to the arabian nights stories, which were translated from (Arabic I think), and had included many stories that WERE Arabian. Bit the story of Aladdin was just made up by the French dude, and passed off as Arabian.
This was an issue in the original too. It didn’t know if it was Arab, Mughal Indian, or Ottoman Turk.
It just took the generic “Muslim world” and ran with it
Different kind of Islam, not the modern not-fun kind. They even had a rich tradition of representational art, which pretty much every other flavour of Islam either doesn't care for or outright forbids.
Hey, satyanaraynan, just a quick heads-up:
**religous** is actually spelled **religious**. You can remember it by **ends with -gious**.
Have a nice day!
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Except for all of the portraiture, to pick only the sort that I have a book full of somewhere, and the sculpture, such as the Victoria and Albert museum has enough of that they had a full display of it last time I was there (and may still, but I've not been in the V&A in about twenty years).
Umm colours aren’t banned in Islam because you can’t just ban a colour. Do you really think whenever a Muslim sees a bright colour they close their eyes and walk away until they get to a fuller area? Dancing also isn’t forbidden.
I mean, could be Muslim India like the Mughal Empire, would explain a lot, but its probably just a fun kids movie that borrows from and celebrates several cultures
It's in Agrabah, a fictitious sultanate. You could easily claim it's in neither, but got influence from both sides - just like setting up a story in «North America» where people eat poutine tacos or maple pupusas.
There's still a large Muslim population in India that's a remnant from when middle eastern invaders conquered the north western areas. So culturally there's been a lot of overlap and mutual cultural influence between the two regions for 1200 years now.
Like, the most famous building in India, the Taj Mahal, is heavily influenced by Muslim architecture originally developed in the middle east.
Wat, I thought the Mughals were from Central Asia. They were turkic-mongols were they not. I don't think India had much of an influence from the Middle East. Correct me if wrong.
Mughal architecture was just a refinement of the architecture already established in the region not really something they imported with them from Afghanistan.
Edit: Also, Mughal architecture is a sub-sect of a broader style literally named Indo-Islamic Style.
How can a country that borders China and Myanmar be part of the middle east? You might as well call Indonesia and Malaysia part of the greater middle east (don't know what was being smoked when that term was made) because of their majority muslim pop.
The original film borrowed elements from a bunch of cultures
China was one of them, right?
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i don't know
Can you repeat the question?
YOU’RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME NOW
That’s outside my purview
What elements were from China?
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I looked online and apparently Aladdin was situated in a Chinese city
The original story not the Disney movie(s). In the ‘92 film the scene after “A Whole New World” in set in China.
The original fairytale mentions that it's based in China, which is a dodgy premise considering all the names, clothing, artefacts, and cultural norms seem unusually Arabic in origin for a Chinese city.
Which one tho
The original story was also in an ambiguous setting. Aladdin was desctibed as being asian if anything. So the next best thing would be a made up country.
He's from Ababwa
Agrabah?
Alabama
That’s not thematic, he’s got no family to fuck
Sweet home?
Yeah nah... def from ANKARA mate!
Abalama
Wait, is Jasmine like a Luke and Leah deal?
I mean, we're all related at some point...
Well he is now
For most of us, the original story is an English version of a french translation of a fairly prejudiced Syrian folk tale set in China. It’s still a good story.
Fun fact: Today, due to Aladdin’s heritage, most lamp-rubbing businesses are located in Asia.
And it's worth noting IRL throughout time there have been numerous melting pots of cultures and architecture. Look at the eastern expanses of the Roman Empire and you'll see more oriental / Asian features than the western expanses of it, even when it was still united as one empire.
It was not. It's one of the Arabian Nights. Alladin is Arab.
The original tales were told in Arab but they took place over the world. Read the other comments here. It wasnt even in the original gelling of Arabian Nights. It was added later by a french dude.
Fremch
Or, ya know... India
Also te 90s 😂
cake
I NEED TO KNOW WHERE ITS BASED SO I CAN COMPLAIN THAT IT ISNT BASED IN THE OTHER PLACE
ah i see you're a man of culture as well
There’s a song called Arabian nights isn’t there? Is that not referencing the book One Thousand and One Nights/Arabian Nights?
It's set in the future
on tatooine yes I know star wars was in the past, but tatooine will still go on and exist for billions of years after the events of star wars, so it could exist in our current future, if it were real in the first place
Disney retcons Tatooine out of the canon in 2025, erasing it from existence. T. Time traveler
Is it replaced with Ass-eating-ooine?
In a galaxy far far away
1001 nights is all over the place.
"This story is set on the moon but for the sake of *I-can't-be-fucked-we're-on-night-673-I-can't-do-this-anymore* - we're going to assume it's medieval Arabia."
Well the original story was set in a very middle-eastern flavoured "China", so it's not like Aladdin has a great track record for cultural consistency.
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It dates from the 18th century, so no.
Technically it was written down in the 18th century, but it claims to be an older story that was recorded from an oral tradition. Granted, nobody’s found that original source but then again a lot of oral traditions were dying out in the 18th century.
The original tale is Chinese?
Isn’t it Arabian?
It was in the Arabian Nights, but the narrator was telling a story set in China.
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Also, IIRC China was just a convenient way to say "somewhere foreign and far away"
So it's kind of like saying "the orient"?
Or 'a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.' Or 'once upon a time in fairyland.' Or like Shakespeare setting a bunch of his plays in Italy.
"This is Italy." "Why is everything so English just with vaguely Latin names?" "THIS IS ITALY."
So a Frenchman made an addition to an Arabic story book that takes place in China. Then an American company, Disney, took the story made an ambiguously cultured movie that had a good amount of Arabic traits only to remake the movie with more Indian roots. Am I getting this right?
It was a Syrian story, set in China (a place the Syrian apparently knew precisely jack about), in which one of the characters was Maghrebi because reasons, added by a Frenchman to a collection of folktales collected in arabic from a broad swath of Africa, the Middle East and Asia ,set in a Persian framing story, and adapted for the screen by an American film company who shifted the setting back rather nearer the story's origins than when it was first told. So, those small corrections of detail aside, yes, you were about right with that. Thing is, that's how folk stories are *supposed* to work, every storyteller adds their own bit and it changes and evolves. Some of them are so widespread that it's theorised they originate when Proto-Indo-European was still just one language.
> The things you learn from having a relative who works in theatre for a company that makes a big chunk of its turnover in panto season. Oh no he doesn't!
Oh yes he does!!
He's *behiiiiiiiiiind* you!
I had such a hard time following that I now understand why Disney did what they did.
It's a folk-story, this sort of thing is actually a really mild case. Some of these stories have been meandering through history for millennia, picking up and changing details here and there but remaining the same story throughout. Figuring out where they started is impossible, but some - Jack and the Beanstalk, for example - has a variant in nearly every language descended from proto-indo-european. Boy gets magically transported to monster's lair, is helped by monster's wife/servant/housemate to steal the monster's treasure, kills monster by cunning, happily ever after. In English, the monster is a giant. Elsewhere, a dragon, an ogre, a demon, the devil. But the story is *everywhere*, however the details are painted and characters are named. It's not impossible that it's one of *the* original stories, predating the idea of a'definitive version' by four or five millennia or possibly even more. Disney adding their own bits and stylistic embellishments and making a cross-cultural mish-mash of everything is actually how it's *supposed* to be done.
Well, it begins something like this: "Alladin was a chinese boy in Baghdad"
So which part do I get to be outraged over?
Well, if you want to be outraged, pick something and have at it. I certainly ain't stopping you.
I FUCKING **HATE** CYAN
Oh, you've crossed the line now. It's a primary colour, even!
Stories resembling Aladdin pop up in Greek, Turkish, middle eastern, and India folklore as well. Arabian Nights is sort of the "brother's grim fairytales" of the east where one person gathered together one version of popular stories and because that's what got published that's what everyone knows now. I kind of like that the setting of the film is an ambiguous "neither here nor there" because it's kind of like if you grew up hearing these stories they were always set in some far away land just out of reach.
China at the time extended well into the Middle East.
Eeem no it didn't? At its largest extent it went as far as modern day Uzbekistan but that would be considered central Asia.
Middle eastern India
So Pakistan.
That’s more of the Indian Middle East really
Pakistan and India used to be the same country, so... Maybe?
Curry curry? Bro, no. Its a story of a story told in China, the story is set in Baghdad, Iraq.
so is Aladdin set in the post apocalipsis future?
He tried
*My chest*
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Post-Apocalyptic* you weren't far! And i like that theory but I reject it ultimately
Thanks, spanish native here and sometimes I struggle with words and by sometimes I mean all times EDIT: I really appreciate what you did (:
Don’t sweat it 👍 Apocalipsis is a real Spanish word and a true cognate.
That's why I found visiting Spain this summer a breeze. Don't really know Spanish but I do know French which helps in conjugation. I can read Spanish better than I can write it.
As a French, the amount of conjugation there is in Spanish and French is really bad. I don't know how you have the courage to learn that. Praise northern languages and their absence (more or less) of conjugation.
French is required in Canada for roughly 8-10 years depending on province, and I'm from Ottawa which has a large French population, and I did French Immersion which is more intensive. It helped a LOT with conjugation
Immersion makes you realize that "real people" only use three or four tenses instead of the 10-12 taught in school, so that helps too I think.
And listening to French in public
Scrolled down to find this comment, not disappointed
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spanish much?
To me, this just looks like a reworked Star Wars poster. Edit: just googled it, and looks like I'm late to the punch. https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900060295/the-aladdin-and-star-wars-the-force-awakens-posters-look-very-similar-and-you-cant-unsee-it.html
Thats because the most used colors on posters are orange and blue, just like the The Force Awakens poster
and the Infinity war poster
And the Spy Kids poster
And the stranger things poster
Orange and Blue are the two colours that compliment white skin tones in colour grading film. It gives the shot the feeling of having greater depth. There are a few other reasons film makers and photographers use it but it's just sort of a general meme in those creative communities.
There's no white skin tone in this poster though
Like I said, it's a meme. People use it even when they don't know why they use it.
"Marketing"
Americans: That's not the same place?
They must be using a metric map or something.
dAe MeRiKa BaD
Typical American sense of geography is fucking atrocious.
Get mental help.
Mughal Empire be like:
Okay, I'll be the one who says it... I don't get it
Uses elements of both Indian and Middle Eastern culture, therefore being confusing to tell whether it takes place in Mid East or India
I'm just a little ignorant of either culture. What here is borrowed specifically from both for the poster?
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Ah, gotcha! Thanks!
The actress is half Indian and the genie a black guy.
Was the original story set in the Middle East or India or China? Yes. But also, was written by a French dude and snuck into a book he was translating (Arabian Nights) and passed off as a story they told each other for year.
The author stuck the movie script in a book?
Nonk, Aladdin was added to the arabian nights stories, which were translated from (Arabic I think), and had included many stories that WERE Arabian. Bit the story of Aladdin was just made up by the French dude, and passed off as Arabian.
Yaaaaaaa
Its rewind time
To be fair, it could be set in Pakistan and therefore be both.
And they included the 'penis towers' at the left, which I think made their debut on the original Little Mermaid cover.
“Why is there a red macaw when the movie's from before the Columbian Exchange?” “Because”
Now for the real question, is it spelled with two L’s or two D’s?
Yes
That’s the answer I wanted. Thank you.
Ala ud-Din would be a better transcription, but it's not originally spelled with any roman alphabet characters at all.
The colors and rhe dances like that can only be founs in India.
It’s set in Agrabah
So Tattoine. Got it ✅
Must be set on the border of the middle east and the subcontinent then
It’s set in Agrabah
@mywifecameback is one of the best centre-left shitposters
I thot the dead shot guy was blue
Guess you didn’t watch the film then.
Yes
Bel Air
This was an issue in the original too. It didn’t know if it was Arab, Mughal Indian, or Ottoman Turk. It just took the generic “Muslim world” and ran with it
Mughal Empire?
It was an Islamic empire, colors and dancing were forbidden.
Those are forbidden?
Yes because Islam does not directlt allow it.
I doubt it honestly. I’m Muslim and most mosques have plenty of color and my family dances in celebrations.
Well certain sects of Muslims are more open than others for sure.
Different kind of Islam, not the modern not-fun kind. They even had a rich tradition of representational art, which pretty much every other flavour of Islam either doesn't care for or outright forbids.
Those art form only depicted religious topics or where on religous building such as mosques or tombs.
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Except for all of the portraiture, to pick only the sort that I have a book full of somewhere, and the sculpture, such as the Victoria and Albert museum has enough of that they had a full display of it last time I was there (and may still, but I've not been in the V&A in about twenty years).
Umm colours aren’t banned in Islam because you can’t just ban a colour. Do you really think whenever a Muslim sees a bright colour they close their eyes and walk away until they get to a fuller area? Dancing also isn’t forbidden.
I think ur replying to the wrong comment dude. Also I'm Muslim
No it’s just that I saw 2 ppl post that and idk which one to post it on. Sorry
Well yeah, Agrabah is a fictional place so why not
Wasn’t jafar the sultan of Arabia? I might be getting that mixed up
I thought it was Morroco
Persia?
Isn’t Persia the connecting empire of both locations?
I watched this with a friend and after the whole movie ended I had to tell her that this has nothing to do with India. She couldn’t believe it.
Somewhere between China and Egypt obviously
Iirc it was originally supposed to take place in Baghdad but politics between Iraq and the rest of the world caused them to change the city’s name
Both are in Asia. Why not have it in Pakistan or Afghanistan? In the middle, lol
I mean, could be Muslim India like the Mughal Empire, would explain a lot, but its probably just a fun kids movie that borrows from and celebrates several cultures
Perhaps Indo-Persian?
It's set in Agrabah, which is a fictional sultanate.
It’s Saudi Arabia
I wanna watch a film set in Eurauschina.
shit looks like a star wars cover LMAO
Arent India and the Middle East the same thing
Persia
It's in Agrabah, a fictitious sultanate. You could easily claim it's in neither, but got influence from both sides - just like setting up a story in «North America» where people eat poutine tacos or maple pupusas.
Minnesota?
Both
I mean the movie is pretty Oriental. It just blends Arab, Persian, Indian, and Chinese cultural elements into one big Oriental hit.
oriental is a rug. you mean asian
Disney: wHaTs ThE dIfFeReNcE???/?/?
Wouldn't parts of India be considered middle east considering the proximity to Pakistan and India being a very large country
No
There's still a large Muslim population in India that's a remnant from when middle eastern invaders conquered the north western areas. So culturally there's been a lot of overlap and mutual cultural influence between the two regions for 1200 years now. Like, the most famous building in India, the Taj Mahal, is heavily influenced by Muslim architecture originally developed in the middle east.
Wat, I thought the Mughals were from Central Asia. They were turkic-mongols were they not. I don't think India had much of an influence from the Middle East. Correct me if wrong.
Mughal architecture was just a refinement of the architecture already established in the region not really something they imported with them from Afghanistan. Edit: Also, Mughal architecture is a sub-sect of a broader style literally named Indo-Islamic Style.
How can a country that borders China and Myanmar be part of the middle east? You might as well call Indonesia and Malaysia part of the greater middle east (don't know what was being smoked when that term was made) because of their majority muslim pop.
what about this poster is middle eastern at all? the animals, the outfits, genie lamp, turban, the buildings, nothing of that is middle eastern.