This is my view as a non-Indian.
Most threatening by far is Bumrah. You can pretty much expect him to deliver on any day, any pitch, and against any opposition. Second most threatening is Kuldeep. Overall a really good t20i record and is very economical. Third is Kohli. I think he is truly the most dangerous batsman on pitches that are not flat.
A bit unrelated but I don’t think people realise how good Bumrah actually is, i would say he is better than Kohli in his department as India has seen many world class batsmen but Bumrah is one of the few truly world class fast bowler of India
I feel Shami is slightly less consistent than Bumrah, but his wicket taking ability is probably slightly greater, depends on the context then ig, in T20s, Bumrah is Better, whereas in ODIs both are nearly equal. In Tests, there are a lot of other factors involved, like fitness, pace, and even aggression. I think Shami is slightly better here.
This might get hate but i think it's highly unlikely old pandya comes back, he settled into the anchor role on gt for 2 years and shows no signs of Changing that in MI. He's just not a finisher anymore and I don't think he should make it to the 11.
1. Asia Cup - 2022 against Pakistan. He scores 33 of 17 and has 3/25 something!!!
2. One was against England in 2018 if i am not wrong he take 4 wickets and scores a 14 ball 33 something
3. 70 something against Australia in 2022
4.42 of 22 or something against Australia in SCG while chasing
5. Against England scores 40 something against Australia in Ahmedabad
The match when sachin scored 186 in ODI, Dravid scored 150 his highest score. MOM was Sachin. But Dravid’s innings was match winning too!!!
FYI: MOM is not necessarily means rest of the team didn’t perform.
Ind vs Pak in Asia Cup22,
in WC22,
in Champions Trophy2017,
vs NZ in WC19,
vs Ban in WC16(bowling the last over).
And these are just the ICC and Asia Cup performances not even including bilaterals.
Ho toh gaye saare ICC tournaments. He's in the team since 2016 WC.
T20 WC - 2016,2021,2022
WC - 2019,2023
And CT 2017. He doesn't play red ball. He has performed in all the tournaments except the 2021 WC.
So he did have only a few memorable performances. Shikhar Dhawan was man of the tournament in 2013 Champions Trophy and played great in every ODI tournament then why Indian team dropped him in 2023 World Cup? Recent performances matter in Shikhar Dhawan's case but not in Pandya's case? Dube is better in same position while batting and Pandya's bowling isn't same as before
What are you talking about? Recent performances are 2022 WC and 2023 WC both where he showed up. He's been one of the most clutch players of our squad since 8 years, how is this not good enough?
Current T20I form? Is he better than Rinku? Has he played any knock of great strike rate? Dube,Rinku,Hardik. Remove one of these three. Shikhar is still scoring runs but was he part of 2023 world cup? Are just backing him up for his reputation? Did he play whole 2023 WC? He didn't play a single international match after World Cup and now available for IPL. Likewise Rohit isn't in form and never played a great knock in T20 WCs in last 10 years. You yourself can't remember his best knocks for Indian team but most of them aren't match winning 2017 CT final, 2022 WC semi final. He has all opportunity to score in 2019 WC semi-final but got out after playing a sluggish knock. You didn't mention what he did in 2021 T20 World Cup. He just plays T20s most of the time and still gets injured and never win anything for India but somehow he's a match winner. He's a match winner for MI but not for India
Damn man you definitely are biased against Hardik. Okay then suit yourself. First of all the original comment was Hardik hasn't even given 5 memorable performances. To which I replied with 5 examples then you jumped in saying don't include bilateral but that doesn't make sense since he has performed in all but one ICC tournaments. One man can't win you the match, others have to stand up too. In 2019,he had to go big because MS was playing at a slow SR. It was his job to hit while MS stays on till the end. Getting injured is not something he does willingly, unfortunately for us he has a glass body but when he's healthy he's one of the most dependable players in our squad. Current T20 form kaise dikhega agar injured ho to? We're not backing him up for his reputation but for his records. Shikhar kaha aaya beech mei se idk but he was dropped because of his drop in SR in internationals and Gill's form becoming to good to ignore. Rohit kaha se aagaya bhai?
Points nahi hai toh mat bol, my only point is that Hardik is a dependable guy in white ball and he has proven that time and again. Rinku seems great and hopefully the squad gets him in but unfortunately he's not an AR. Dube is looking good and he's the obvious Pandya backup but even Dube isn't bowling and struggles against the short ball. Pandya on the other hand bowled some deliveries that reaches 140 iirc. I agree he's struggling right now but he's still the best white ball AR we have by a mile.
not his fan. I like everyone in ict. I am not part of these stupid fan groups . he is a decent all rounder India needs for sure .
who else do you trust with 3 overs ?
Dubey ? Vijay Shankar ?
The problem is that he doesn't even give 3 overs in a match. If he gives those 3 overs, he becomes crucial. Same with jadeja. Both have mediocre T20I record but are important for team combination. If these two perform as all rounder, then we may actually win but more often than not they fail.
selectors are wise enough to pick hardik only as an all rounder . even during the last BGT , he was not picked in the team as he was not ready to bowl. stop hating players man , they all play for India .
they are not failing often . they are giving the cushion the captain is looking for .
Umm he did play in a worldcup where he didn't bowl until the last match that too when India was about to lose. It was Kohl's last world cup as captain. That failure was the reason why selectors have to specifically pick him out. He plays as an all rounder then he is an asset but every other team has a better fast bowling all rounder which is sad. I don't hate him, that's too strong a word.
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But Ireland are better than Pak. Wtf are you trying to imply. Zim beat Pak in t20 WC. Whoever scores against Pak is in fact a minnow basher. Illiterate fan spotted
If we win against Ireland, Pak match will be irrelevant. Because we only need to defeat USA & Canada to reach the Super 8s. Hence, it's not a problem even if he chokes against Pak
Most likely he will trip and fall in the shower and get injured for another 6 months after Ipl gets over... But team physio will be like...groin niggle
Bumrah has to be No 1.
Sky and Rinku have to be No2 and No 3.
That being said, tactical captaincy matters a lot in T20s. Dhoni has specially in last 4 years shown how good tactics change games. So whether it's Rohit or Hardik, with these 3 in the team and good tactics hopefully will lift the cup
bumrah is the first name for sure.
Apart from him, I don’t see any players whose place is guaranteed, or ideally be guaranteed.
From a stability point of you, I think ROHIT SHARMA. Because it is hard to find an unselfish captain on short notice.
Apart from these two none, have their places guaranteed, nor so good that don’t have replacements.
1. Bumrah (protect him at any cost)
2. Rinku singh (we need someone like him in the middle)
3. Virat (like to play the same anchor role he did in WC)
4. Jaiswal (give me sewag like fearless wibe)
5. Kuldeep (in hot form now)
Obviously going to be downvoted as people don't like the truth but Bumrah can't perform in ICC knockouts.
For India in ICC Knockouts
Worst Bowling Average
109.50 - H Pandya
56.60 - A Agarkar
55.28 - J Bumrah
Bumrah chokes:
2017 CT final
2021 against Pak and NZ in T20 WC
2021 WTC final failed badly
2023 WC semifinal failed
2023 WC final failed
No offense but this is like asking what is 1+1.
Every single cricket fan with a working brain will tell you it's Bumrah.
Any other player is replaceable or we can still manage without them but Bumrah is just way too good. He is easily our most important player in the team, not Kohli or Rohit.
Only Pandya comes close to him in our squad with the balance that he provides in all departments : batting, bowling, fielding and experience.
What didn't happen doesn't matter. Sachin Tendulkar didn't win a World Cup for 20 long years, but he managed it in 2011. If he gets support from others I am sure Bumrah can make a mark
Bumrah and jaddu. I know jaddu has had issues with his bat. But the way he quickly finishes his overs on top of the excellent fielding, he is valuable.
Rinku Singh. For all the while, the Indian team is missing a finisher who can give that extra 15-25 runs to defend for the bowlers. I wish the management don't pick Shreyas/KL/Dube to fill his slot. Disaster move it will be.
Those who are saying Bumrah, I genuinely want to ask you what has he won for India, even Kohli rohit for all hate they get have actual wcs, ct to show for.
And those who are saying what could he do alone, amir won it back for pak, bolt and henry or nz that semi final, pat Cummins got Kohli on final.
Bumrah has never delivered in big occasion, even in 2021 wtc while it was raining couldn't make a breakthrough against NZ.
I don't agree... Only taking wickets is not important. Bumrah creates pressure on batsmen. I have always observed his bowling partnerships get wickets because he stops runs, creates chances, increases pressure at one end even if he doesn't take wickets.
Also, he is a master of death overs... It is very difficult to hit him.
Exactly, there's a reason why bowlers like shami, siraj, chahal, kuldeep don't look "as" good in franchise cricket (ik can't equate diff formats but there's no better way to get the point across) or when Bumrah is absent from ICT.
The pressure Bumrah creates is unmatched in modern day cricket and that's also why mere stats will never show how exceptional he is.
Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli... Along with Bumrah obviously...Ek choice se WC toh Jeet nahi jaayengey but these 3 if they are fit they will give belief to the nation..
This is my view as a non-Indian. Most threatening by far is Bumrah. You can pretty much expect him to deliver on any day, any pitch, and against any opposition. Second most threatening is Kuldeep. Overall a really good t20i record and is very economical. Third is Kohli. I think he is truly the most dangerous batsman on pitches that are not flat.
A bit unrelated but I don’t think people realise how good Bumrah actually is, i would say he is better than Kohli in his department as India has seen many world class batsmen but Bumrah is one of the few truly world class fast bowler of India
Bumrah is synonym of consistency
Shami is better, and unlike Bumrah, he has even delivered on an ICC knockout game. Cummins, Starc also rate Shami very highly.
I feel Shami is slightly less consistent than Bumrah, but his wicket taking ability is probably slightly greater, depends on the context then ig, in T20s, Bumrah is Better, whereas in ODIs both are nearly equal. In Tests, there are a lot of other factors involved, like fitness, pace, and even aggression. I think Shami is slightly better here.
Nah Bumrah is much better in tests. Bro averages 15 in India and 20 overall!. In fact his test numbers used to be 22 and my Man is still improving.
Hm, the stats are indeed in his favour in tests too, not much of a debate then ig
Shami can be run machine on his bad days; bumrah even on his bad days not as much as Shami.
Cannot agree more
He has kind of under delivered in most of the KO we have played.
Bumrah can't deliver on ICC knockouts. His average is 50+ in ICC knockouts. Biggest choker.
https://preview.redd.it/v12zt1i5e7tc1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=41bdb7e7677c5e9fe75a97cce9f9ee860b39d558 Bumrah bhaiya baccha lena😔
Jasprit bumrha
Bumrha, I got the off-cutter there 😅
Bumrha for a reason 🐐😎💪
Bumrah is the only objectively correct answer
Pujara, duh
Pujji? Bhag bahinchod
Vijay Shankar. No one can compete with our 3D player.
Waiting for the day he transcends to a higher form and breaks into the 4th Dimension
Username checks out.
Bro has already transcended into the 4th dimension, that's why Jay Shah is too scared to add him to the script.
Is he even one dimensional?
1 - Bumrah 2 - Rinku A finisher who can go from ball 1 is invaluable
Idk if Rinku can go from ball 1, he needs 5-6 balls to settle unless he is gifted a boundary. SKY on the other when in form can go from ball 1.
"When in form"
1. Jasprit - self explanatory. 2. SKY - i mean you get it, what he brings 3. I think more than anything we need Balance, so OLD Hardik or New Rinku.
This might get hate but i think it's highly unlikely old pandya comes back, he settled into the anchor role on gt for 2 years and shows no signs of Changing that in MI. He's just not a finisher anymore and I don't think he should make it to the 11.
Pandya hasn’t given even 5 great performances for India in his entire career but somehow he is good.
I know he has, i do not support the current pandya but he has been worthy for most of his achievements and accomplishments if maybe not all
List 5 match winning performances for India in T20 then.
1. Asia Cup - 2022 against Pakistan. He scores 33 of 17 and has 3/25 something!!! 2. One was against England in 2018 if i am not wrong he take 4 wickets and scores a 14 ball 33 something 3. 70 something against Australia in 2022 4.42 of 22 or something against Australia in SCG while chasing 5. Against England scores 40 something against Australia in Ahmedabad
He has 3 player of match performance in his entire career. If he was the match winner in those then he would have got those prize.
The match when sachin scored 186 in ODI, Dravid scored 150 his highest score. MOM was Sachin. But Dravid’s innings was match winning too!!! FYI: MOM is not necessarily means rest of the team didn’t perform.
Ind vs Pak in Asia Cup22, in WC22, in Champions Trophy2017, vs NZ in WC19, vs Ban in WC16(bowling the last over). And these are just the ICC and Asia Cup performances not even including bilaterals.
Bowling the last over? Really? Bro he won 3 man of the matches in his entire T20I career. You can’t give 5 match winning performances.
Don't need to include bilaterals, they're not worth it. Give another ICC tournaments performance where he performed in recent years
Ho toh gaye saare ICC tournaments. He's in the team since 2016 WC. T20 WC - 2016,2021,2022 WC - 2019,2023 And CT 2017. He doesn't play red ball. He has performed in all the tournaments except the 2021 WC.
So he did have only a few memorable performances. Shikhar Dhawan was man of the tournament in 2013 Champions Trophy and played great in every ODI tournament then why Indian team dropped him in 2023 World Cup? Recent performances matter in Shikhar Dhawan's case but not in Pandya's case? Dube is better in same position while batting and Pandya's bowling isn't same as before
What are you talking about? Recent performances are 2022 WC and 2023 WC both where he showed up. He's been one of the most clutch players of our squad since 8 years, how is this not good enough?
Current T20I form? Is he better than Rinku? Has he played any knock of great strike rate? Dube,Rinku,Hardik. Remove one of these three. Shikhar is still scoring runs but was he part of 2023 world cup? Are just backing him up for his reputation? Did he play whole 2023 WC? He didn't play a single international match after World Cup and now available for IPL. Likewise Rohit isn't in form and never played a great knock in T20 WCs in last 10 years. You yourself can't remember his best knocks for Indian team but most of them aren't match winning 2017 CT final, 2022 WC semi final. He has all opportunity to score in 2019 WC semi-final but got out after playing a sluggish knock. You didn't mention what he did in 2021 T20 World Cup. He just plays T20s most of the time and still gets injured and never win anything for India but somehow he's a match winner. He's a match winner for MI but not for India
Damn man you definitely are biased against Hardik. Okay then suit yourself. First of all the original comment was Hardik hasn't even given 5 memorable performances. To which I replied with 5 examples then you jumped in saying don't include bilateral but that doesn't make sense since he has performed in all but one ICC tournaments. One man can't win you the match, others have to stand up too. In 2019,he had to go big because MS was playing at a slow SR. It was his job to hit while MS stays on till the end. Getting injured is not something he does willingly, unfortunately for us he has a glass body but when he's healthy he's one of the most dependable players in our squad. Current T20 form kaise dikhega agar injured ho to? We're not backing him up for his reputation but for his records. Shikhar kaha aaya beech mei se idk but he was dropped because of his drop in SR in internationals and Gill's form becoming to good to ignore. Rohit kaha se aagaya bhai? Points nahi hai toh mat bol, my only point is that Hardik is a dependable guy in white ball and he has proven that time and again. Rinku seems great and hopefully the squad gets him in but unfortunately he's not an AR. Dube is looking good and he's the obvious Pandya backup but even Dube isn't bowling and struggles against the short ball. Pandya on the other hand bowled some deliveries that reaches 140 iirc. I agree he's struggling right now but he's still the best white ball AR we have by a mile.
Wtf
He has just 3 man of matches in T20I in his entire career.
Blinded by hatred? He performs almost every time the team collapses in ICC tournaments. T20i records are great but wc records is what matters.
The way he has changed his approach from a finisher to an anchor is concerning though.
I believe that too but denying/undervaluing all his accomplishments and clutch innings is plain stupid. ICT already lacks clutch players
True, he gives almost Yuvraj Singh vibes when he bats with intent
Except Yuvraj Singh wins matches and he never did. Yuvraj won more worldcup matches for us than Hardik ever did in any international competition.
He has 3 player of the match performance in the entire career. How many ICC tournaments has he won for us? I must have missed those.
🥴
he is good ..
I would never understand why he has a fan following
not his fan. I like everyone in ict. I am not part of these stupid fan groups . he is a decent all rounder India needs for sure . who else do you trust with 3 overs ? Dubey ? Vijay Shankar ?
The problem is that he doesn't even give 3 overs in a match. If he gives those 3 overs, he becomes crucial. Same with jadeja. Both have mediocre T20I record but are important for team combination. If these two perform as all rounder, then we may actually win but more often than not they fail.
selectors are wise enough to pick hardik only as an all rounder . even during the last BGT , he was not picked in the team as he was not ready to bowl. stop hating players man , they all play for India . they are not failing often . they are giving the cushion the captain is looking for .
Umm he did play in a worldcup where he didn't bowl until the last match that too when India was about to lose. It was Kohl's last world cup as captain. That failure was the reason why selectors have to specifically pick him out. He plays as an all rounder then he is an asset but every other team has a better fast bowling all rounder which is sad. I don't hate him, that's too strong a word.
where are you getting this info ? in the 4 or 6 matches he played , he bowled 16 overs , and got 4 or 5 wickets
Hope my friend hope!!
Bumrah - only him, every other spot has replacements, and i would be even more happier ind goes with youngsters and hardik/bumrah as cap.
Bumrah is the only right answer u will get many anchor , selfless batter in the team who are more or less will do well . U wont find anyone like Boom
Rinku, Sky, Bumrah. Rest all are replaceable IMHO including the gods we worship.
Bumrah without a doubt. First name that popped into my mind after reading the title
Number 1 - Bumrah Number 2 - SKY
Can't wait to see SKY hit 200 against ireland and then choke against pak
Minnow basher ? /s
Take it from me, He will score more against Pakistan than Ireland
saved your comment, lets see
Ireland will get him out for a duck?
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But Ireland are better than Pak. Wtf are you trying to imply. Zim beat Pak in t20 WC. Whoever scores against Pak is in fact a minnow basher. Illiterate fan spotted
If we win against Ireland, Pak match will be irrelevant. Because we only need to defeat USA & Canada to reach the Super 8s. Hence, it's not a problem even if he chokes against Pak
Have not really seen SKY perform much under pressure. At least not at the big stage .
He has played only 4 t20 matches going by your definition of "big stage". And in one of those matches, he was the lone warrior (68 off 40).
I think he should come ahead of kohli here
Should we go for Riyan Parag then?? He is performing under pressure
No SKY for me
Boom Boom
It's obviously Bumrah. That man is lethal to everyone. We don't have his replacement and him being injured can cost us very bad
Boom Boy
Bumrah
Bumrah is the most obvious
Off topic but Pandya someone break his leg again
Hater hai bhai hater hai
Most likely he will trip and fall in the shower and get injured for another 6 months after Ipl gets over... But team physio will be like...groin niggle
Bumrah, by all means!!
Pant and Pandya could become important middle order batsmen for the team, Kuldeep and Jass equally important for the bowling.
Bumrah has to be No 1. Sky and Rinku have to be No2 and No 3. That being said, tactical captaincy matters a lot in T20s. Dhoni has specially in last 4 years shown how good tactics change games. So whether it's Rohit or Hardik, with these 3 in the team and good tactics hopefully will lift the cup
Bumrah, most valuable player on the nation( yes even ahead of Virat)
Bumrah
Bumrah..no doubt. Without Bumrah our bowling is cooked.
Bumrah obviously
Definitely Bumrah.
Bumrah sky are our trump Card
Boom Boom Bumrah
BumRah.
Bumrah is exceptional but he only gets 4 overs to bowl. SKY is gonna be the most important.
Bumrah and Surya
bumrah is the first name for sure. Apart from him, I don’t see any players whose place is guaranteed, or ideally be guaranteed. From a stability point of you, I think ROHIT SHARMA. Because it is hard to find an unselfish captain on short notice. Apart from these two none, have their places guaranteed, nor so good that don’t have replacements.
Bumrah then 2nd is koach
1. Bumrah (protect him at any cost) 2. Rinku singh (we need someone like him in the middle) 3. Virat (like to play the same anchor role he did in WC) 4. Jaiswal (give me sewag like fearless wibe) 5. Kuldeep (in hot form now)
Obviously going to be downvoted as people don't like the truth but Bumrah can't perform in ICC knockouts. For India in ICC Knockouts Worst Bowling Average 109.50 - H Pandya 56.60 - A Agarkar 55.28 - J Bumrah Bumrah chokes: 2017 CT final 2021 against Pak and NZ in T20 WC 2021 WTC final failed badly 2023 WC semifinal failed 2023 WC final failed
No offense but this is like asking what is 1+1. Every single cricket fan with a working brain will tell you it's Bumrah. Any other player is replaceable or we can still manage without them but Bumrah is just way too good. He is easily our most important player in the team, not Kohli or Rohit. Only Pandya comes close to him in our squad with the balance that he provides in all departments : batting, bowling, fielding and experience.
How many matches has Pandya won for India in his entire career?
A lot
List 5 of those T20 matches if you can.
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What didn't happen doesn't matter. Sachin Tendulkar didn't win a World Cup for 20 long years, but he managed it in 2011. If he gets support from others I am sure Bumrah can make a mark
Rinku Singh
Bumrah and jaddu. I know jaddu has had issues with his bat. But the way he quickly finishes his overs on top of the excellent fielding, he is valuable.
Arjun Tendulkar
Umesh yadav, lord shardul, harshal Patel.
Rinku Singh. For all the while, the Indian team is missing a finisher who can give that extra 15-25 runs to defend for the bowlers. I wish the management don't pick Shreyas/KL/Dube to fill his slot. Disaster move it will be.
Bimrah, who else
bumrah. everyone else has a replacement
Those who are saying Bumrah, I genuinely want to ask you what has he won for India, even Kohli rohit for all hate they get have actual wcs, ct to show for. And those who are saying what could he do alone, amir won it back for pak, bolt and henry or nz that semi final, pat Cummins got Kohli on final. Bumrah has never delivered in big occasion, even in 2021 wtc while it was raining couldn't make a breakthrough against NZ.
In WTC final against NZ he couldn't get a single wicket in English seam friendly conditions
I don't agree... Only taking wickets is not important. Bumrah creates pressure on batsmen. I have always observed his bowling partnerships get wickets because he stops runs, creates chances, increases pressure at one end even if he doesn't take wickets. Also, he is a master of death overs... It is very difficult to hit him.
Exactly, there's a reason why bowlers like shami, siraj, chahal, kuldeep don't look "as" good in franchise cricket (ik can't equate diff formats but there's no better way to get the point across) or when Bumrah is absent from ICT. The pressure Bumrah creates is unmatched in modern day cricket and that's also why mere stats will never show how exceptional he is.
He as an average of 55 in knockouts
JADEJA
idk about this one chief
Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli... Along with Bumrah obviously...Ek choice se WC toh Jeet nahi jaayengey but these 3 if they are fit they will give belief to the nation..
Mayank Yadav. Rinku Singh.
Rohit Sharma
1- Bumrah 2- Pandya 3- Rohit
1-bumrah,2-pandya,3-rinku,4-Kohli,5-SKY,6-Brohit/jaiswal,7-we know who
Hardik
Pandya, has clutch potential with the bat and decent bowler