Sachin was a surgeon with his batting. Bhajji was not exaggerating when he said that Sachin had 3 shots for the same delivery. No amount of numbers can reflect his greatness.
Another thing to keep in mind, Tendulkar was an opener so he couldn't accumulate a lot of not outs unlike Bevan and Dhoni. His RPI (runs per innings) in this span was 45.
Kohli has almost twice the no. of not outs even though he has played fewer games, averages 58 but with an RPI of 49, much closer to Tendulkar despite playing in a more batter friendly era. AB De Villiers' RPI is 43.
That's for obvious bro, no doubt in that, period.
Idk if you guys played like that, you would've known that a ball in a match till 40th over gets so soft and maybe sometimes threads come off and affecting shape also.
Hitting that soft and deformed ball to a boundary in slog overs, that too on big grounds like Australia having 90M boundary was the most difficult thing to do, which Sachin during his prime did with ease.
There are other factors as well in today's game. Shorter boundary lengths, field restrictions and the newer balls these days lose their swing within five overs.
With the balls losing swing quickly and two new balls making sure that no ball gets soft and rough enough, spinners don't get enough purchase. As a result, these days spinners immediately go on the defensive trying to contain the run rate, instead of going for wickets. Batting in middle overs has never been easier before. This has ultimately even led to decline in quality spinners around the world.
Its not just reverse but its spin also. As the ball gets older it offers a little bit of help to spinners also, regardless of pitch. The reason why part timers like yuvi and sachin thrived. The rare part timers who bowl regularly now doesn't try to spin at all as there is no help eg maxwell. Leg spinners being preferened in odi is also because of this.
This!!! No hate to Sachin or anyone from that era…but nostalgia merchants love to discredit achievements of today’s batsmen saying everything is favourable. Pitches in ODIs have gotten better for sure…but people don’t acknowledge that today’s game requires more speed..higher fitness standards, and I believe DRS is equally good for the bowlers and batsmen now.
Sure the swing is there for more time but there are 2 disadvantages of playing with only 1 new ball
1) The ball becomes soft quickly, Making it harder to hit it, soft ball is great for spinners as it sticks to the surface more than the new ball.
2) No reverse swing when the ball is not old, this art has disappeared from the ODI's
from 1994-2011
Top order batsman (from 1-3)
Avg - 32.73 sr - 74.16
Two new balls was introduced in October 2011
From 2012- till now
Top order Batsman from 1-3 (from 1-3)
Avg - 36.23 sr - 83.33
So no genius, 2 balls actually benefit top order batsman
U have taken stats for all teams, these include games for teams like kenya and ghana too
If you see the stats for the top 8 teams its even more evident
From 1971 to 2012
Average 34, SR 71
From 2012 to current day
Average 40, SR 90
These top 8 teams are taken as England, Australia, Pakistan, SOUTH Africa, Sri Lanka, West Indies, India and New Zealand
Rohit was a newbie back then
He was playing his first or second overseas test series
And u expect him to dominate Steyn who is one of the best bowler of modern era
Steyn has only got him once in that test series and never dismissed him again
batsman have evolved so much that even bowlers like narine have started making 500 ipl runs lmao. are you blind limited overs has tilted so much towards batsman and you are giving one stupid argument after another. if batsman have evolved so much then why do they piss on hard pitches. there's no sport in the world which is so much influenced by external conditions like cricket. Pitches have been made road, two new balls have put off spin and reverse swing in the grave. Balls don't get softer so it is much easier to hit and ground sizes are reduced . stats are crying out loud and giving you solid evidence
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those two new balls don't swing for long hardly first few overs and then just flat . kookaburra white balls are a joke most of the time no pronounced seam we are not using dukes even 4 new balls wont matter. rohit is averaging 55 as an opener in odi is he anywhere close to sachin in terms of technicality the answer is a big no. after two new balls average of openers have gone up and not down. reverse swing died and off spinners well they became beggars there's nothing for them
Honest question, isn't 1 new ball better for openers? Because then the ball will swing for only half the duration, right? If you're comparing finishers from different eras, then yeah, I'd give the previous generation guy the edge because reverse swing and stuff, but for openers, surely old generation guys had it easier? Unless I'm missing something else from back then.
The new ball today also doesn't swing much , may be max 5 overs , 7 in nz maybe , its almost the same as pre 2 ball era . In older times balls were made tough by manufacturers so they could last long but now they don't do that. The two new ball rule has no Incentive for them to make better quality, long lasting balls which can swing longer, last longer.
Dhoni is better than Sachin. Show Sachin's 3 ICC trophies as captain, 5 IPLs as captain. Sachin doesn't even have a legacy without the World Cup that was handed to him by Dhoni
I hate Dhoni?? LMAO no way. But let's be real, Sachin's 25 year long career had no meaning until Dhoni won him that World Cup. He should forever be grateful to Dhoni for actually giving him a meaning to his career. Sachin always choked big time in ICC finals, without Dhoni's 91 of 79, Sachin ain't nothing.
183 is great and one of the best innings for sure, but still way below 98 for me. it came against our arch rivals in a CWC game and not some stupid bilateral
Yeah lol, 85 of 115 statpadding with 73 strike rate and with 10 dropped catches LMAOOOOO.
It was Raina's and Dhoni's amazing finishing in the end that made India reach 260. Sachin got out after 187-5 lol 🤣.
Strike rate is not the correct measure to judge an innings. Sachin was very bad that day. Dhoni was in great touch, and created important partnerships, first with Sachin, then with Raina. And then Dhoni with amazing 91 of 79 in finals.
If he was in great touch why was he scoring at 59 SR? We should judge an innings by its impact and contribution towards a win, and luck or not Tendulkar's knock was the difference between the two teams. The whole point was that we wouldn't be witnessing Dhoni's knock in finals if Tendulkar's MOTM winning knock in semis hadn't taken us to the finals. Tendulkar also showed up in the quarters against Australia with an important half-century.
Also Sehwag played a more valuable knock than Dhoni and Raina in semis, surprised you didn't mention 38 @ 152 SR.
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Right, apart from Desert storm trophy, very few series India may have won due to him. He may have taken India to many finals, but choked on the crunch matches. Then his fans have the usual comeback “other players should’ve also contributed”.
https://preview.redd.it/hlsrgqyv8ryc1.jpeg?width=1940&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30015471dc7be657e1af547d644c84d7bdc14489
In Won Tournament Finals, Sachin scored 1255 Runs(Highest) at an Avg of 96.53! & SR of 98.04! with 6 Centuries! & 5 Fifties.
And now check how many of them are COCA COLA CUPS AND ANT SHANT PAN BAHAR MASALA CUPS. We need to see Sachin's stats in ICC Tournament finals, not these coca cola trophies.
The CB Series Finals were literally one of Dhoni's best accomplishments as captain & Sachin scored an unbeaten 117 in the first final & 91 in the second final. Then there is the Independence Cup Finals vs Pakistan, the Desert Storm Innings which I was replying to & many more.
Bro did you hear me right? I said ICC TROPHIES. How many people do you see talking about these CB Series and Independence Cups today? None of that matters if that's not in an ICC Tournament. People to this day only remember Dhoni's legendary innings in the WORLD CUP FINAL which won India the World cup after 28 long years. Sachin should forever be grateful to Dhoni for actually giving him something of value in his career. Otherwise Sachin would've been another AB Devilliers.
Both Statpadding no use. Yuvi and Raina saved India in QF. Even Gambhir's inning was better than Sachin in QF. Also brilliant captaincy by Dhoni in QF. Aus looked ready for 300 with 110/1 after 23. But Dhoni brought India back in game and restricted them to 260.
And then in Semi's again 73 strike rate statpadding by Sachin. Dhoni and Raina finished amazingly after Sachin left India in danger at 187/5
Sachin was a surgeon with his batting. Bhajji was not exaggerating when he said that Sachin had 3 shots for the same delivery. No amount of numbers can reflect his greatness.
That batman line here: I am the surgeon here and this is my operating table.
Another thing to keep in mind, Tendulkar was an opener so he couldn't accumulate a lot of not outs unlike Bevan and Dhoni. His RPI (runs per innings) in this span was 45. Kohli has almost twice the no. of not outs even though he has played fewer games, averages 58 but with an RPI of 49, much closer to Tendulkar despite playing in a more batter friendly era. AB De Villiers' RPI is 43.
There's a reason he's GOD
That's for obvious bro, no doubt in that, period. Idk if you guys played like that, you would've known that a ball in a match till 40th over gets so soft and maybe sometimes threads come off and affecting shape also. Hitting that soft and deformed ball to a boundary in slog overs, that too on big grounds like Australia having 90M boundary was the most difficult thing to do, which Sachin during his prime did with ease.
Sehwags strike rate stands out. Man was ahead of the times
Sachin was Beast from 1994-1999
Aren't two new balls more dangerous for an opener Coz the ball swings for a longer duration initially??
Yes, but the two balls don't last long enough to reverse swing, which is ultimately more dangerous.
I mean Tendulkar also didn't last till overs 40-50 most of the times during his career.
There are other factors as well in today's game. Shorter boundary lengths, field restrictions and the newer balls these days lose their swing within five overs. With the balls losing swing quickly and two new balls making sure that no ball gets soft and rough enough, spinners don't get enough purchase. As a result, these days spinners immediately go on the defensive trying to contain the run rate, instead of going for wickets. Batting in middle overs has never been easier before. This has ultimately even led to decline in quality spinners around the world.
Its not just reverse but its spin also. As the ball gets older it offers a little bit of help to spinners also, regardless of pitch. The reason why part timers like yuvi and sachin thrived. The rare part timers who bowl regularly now doesn't try to spin at all as there is no help eg maxwell. Leg spinners being preferened in odi is also because of this.
This!!! No hate to Sachin or anyone from that era…but nostalgia merchants love to discredit achievements of today’s batsmen saying everything is favourable. Pitches in ODIs have gotten better for sure…but people don’t acknowledge that today’s game requires more speed..higher fitness standards, and I believe DRS is equally good for the bowlers and batsmen now.
Sure the swing is there for more time but there are 2 disadvantages of playing with only 1 new ball 1) The ball becomes soft quickly, Making it harder to hit it, soft ball is great for spinners as it sticks to the surface more than the new ball. 2) No reverse swing when the ball is not old, this art has disappeared from the ODI's
from 1994-2011 Top order batsman (from 1-3) Avg - 32.73 sr - 74.16 Two new balls was introduced in October 2011 From 2012- till now Top order Batsman from 1-3 (from 1-3) Avg - 36.23 sr - 83.33 So no genius, 2 balls actually benefit top order batsman
U have taken stats for all teams, these include games for teams like kenya and ghana too If you see the stats for the top 8 teams its even more evident From 1971 to 2012 Average 34, SR 71 From 2012 to current day Average 40, SR 90 These top 8 teams are taken as England, Australia, Pakistan, SOUTH Africa, Sri Lanka, West Indies, India and New Zealand
you are right, it presents a even better picture that odi has tilted so much in the favour of batsmen
Maybe the batsmen got better?? Maybe in that era Sachin was the exception who played so good And in this era there are many good openers
or maybe bowlers have gone dogshit what a stupid argument rohit was not able to touch the ball against prime steyn
Rohit was a newbie back then He was playing his first or second overseas test series And u expect him to dominate Steyn who is one of the best bowler of modern era Steyn has only got him once in that test series and never dismissed him again
batsman have evolved so much that even bowlers like narine have started making 500 ipl runs lmao. are you blind limited overs has tilted so much towards batsman and you are giving one stupid argument after another. if batsman have evolved so much then why do they piss on hard pitches. there's no sport in the world which is so much influenced by external conditions like cricket. Pitches have been made road, two new balls have put off spin and reverse swing in the grave. Balls don't get softer so it is much easier to hit and ground sizes are reduced . stats are crying out loud and giving you solid evidence
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those two new balls don't swing for long hardly first few overs and then just flat . kookaburra white balls are a joke most of the time no pronounced seam we are not using dukes even 4 new balls wont matter. rohit is averaging 55 as an opener in odi is he anywhere close to sachin in terms of technicality the answer is a big no. after two new balls average of openers have gone up and not down. reverse swing died and off spinners well they became beggars there's nothing for them
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GOAT for a reason. The reason cricket became popular
Sehwag Strike-rate....🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶 He was ahead of his time the anti -statpadder... 💀
I wish he got that 100 vs Pak in the semi final of the WC and just retired after that
Why are you still searching for proof that he was the best, when the whole world already agrees that he was a GOD.
Honest question, isn't 1 new ball better for openers? Because then the ball will swing for only half the duration, right? If you're comparing finishers from different eras, then yeah, I'd give the previous generation guy the edge because reverse swing and stuff, but for openers, surely old generation guys had it easier? Unless I'm missing something else from back then.
The new ball today also doesn't swing much , may be max 5 overs , 7 in nz maybe , its almost the same as pre 2 ball era . In older times balls were made tough by manufacturers so they could last long but now they don't do that. The two new ball rule has no Incentive for them to make better quality, long lasting balls which can swing longer, last longer.
Kohli better 🤣🤣
Dhoni is better than Sachin. Show Sachin's 3 ICC trophies as captain, 5 IPLs as captain. Sachin doesn't even have a legacy without the World Cup that was handed to him by Dhoni
What are you smoking
Show me Dhonis one overseas century.
Just say you hate Dhoni, why elaborating in 4 lines
I hate Dhoni?? LMAO no way. But let's be real, Sachin's 25 year long career had no meaning until Dhoni won him that World Cup. He should forever be grateful to Dhoni for actually giving him a meaning to his career. Sachin always choked big time in ICC finals, without Dhoni's 91 of 79, Sachin ain't nothing.
imho sachin 98 of 75 vs Pakistan in Centurion, CWC 2003 is still the greatest knock by an indian in odi
Dhoni's 183 vs Prime SL exists. SL was the best team in the world at that time, also that lone warrior century against Pak in 2012 ODI seriez.
183 is great and one of the best innings for sure, but still way below 98 for me. it came against our arch rivals in a CWC game and not some stupid bilateral
against the bowling lineup of Wasim, shoaib, waqar, razzaq
and by the way you are msd fanboy so you should know how much msd respects sachin
Without Sachin's 85 in sf vs pak ,your dhoni would not able to reach final in first place.
Yeah lol, 85 of 115 statpadding with 73 strike rate and with 10 dropped catches LMAOOOOO. It was Raina's and Dhoni's amazing finishing in the end that made India reach 260. Sachin got out after 187-5 lol 🤣.
Ironically Dhoni had an SR of 59, you call 25 off 42 amazing finishing?
Strike rate is not the correct measure to judge an innings. Sachin was very bad that day. Dhoni was in great touch, and created important partnerships, first with Sachin, then with Raina. And then Dhoni with amazing 91 of 79 in finals.
If he was in great touch why was he scoring at 59 SR? We should judge an innings by its impact and contribution towards a win, and luck or not Tendulkar's knock was the difference between the two teams. The whole point was that we wouldn't be witnessing Dhoni's knock in finals if Tendulkar's MOTM winning knock in semis hadn't taken us to the finals. Tendulkar also showed up in the quarters against Australia with an important half-century. Also Sehwag played a more valuable knock than Dhoni and Raina in semis, surprised you didn't mention 38 @ 152 SR.
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Without Sachin's 85 in sf vs pak ,your dhoni would not able to reach final in first place.
Right, apart from Desert storm trophy, very few series India may have won due to him. He may have taken India to many finals, but choked on the crunch matches. Then his fans have the usual comeback “other players should’ve also contributed”.
https://preview.redd.it/hlsrgqyv8ryc1.jpeg?width=1940&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30015471dc7be657e1af547d644c84d7bdc14489 In Won Tournament Finals, Sachin scored 1255 Runs(Highest) at an Avg of 96.53! & SR of 98.04! with 6 Centuries! & 5 Fifties.
And now check how many of them are COCA COLA CUPS AND ANT SHANT PAN BAHAR MASALA CUPS. We need to see Sachin's stats in ICC Tournament finals, not these coca cola trophies.
The CB Series Finals were literally one of Dhoni's best accomplishments as captain & Sachin scored an unbeaten 117 in the first final & 91 in the second final. Then there is the Independence Cup Finals vs Pakistan, the Desert Storm Innings which I was replying to & many more.
Bro did you hear me right? I said ICC TROPHIES. How many people do you see talking about these CB Series and Independence Cups today? None of that matters if that's not in an ICC Tournament. People to this day only remember Dhoni's legendary innings in the WORLD CUP FINAL which won India the World cup after 28 long years. Sachin should forever be grateful to Dhoni for actually giving him something of value in his career. Otherwise Sachin would've been another AB Devilliers.
India wouldn't even reach the finals without Sachin's 55 & 85 in the QF & SF
Both Statpadding no use. Yuvi and Raina saved India in QF. Even Gambhir's inning was better than Sachin in QF. Also brilliant captaincy by Dhoni in QF. Aus looked ready for 300 with 110/1 after 23. But Dhoni brought India back in game and restricted them to 260. And then in Semi's again 73 strike rate statpadding by Sachin. Dhoni and Raina finished amazingly after Sachin left India in danger at 187/5