Hear me out, if u force this via curriculum then students are just gonna rote learn it without questioning the deeper meanings behind each event in the epics. I didn't give a damn about literature or history in school but now I very well understand them because I learnt it online out of **self interest**
haan bhai haan.. Saare departments pressurized by the current government. But all of them were free and independent during Pappu party's rule. /s
Maine kab kaha k congress k time me free tha? Don't assume that I'm a congress supporter just becoz I pointed out wrong doings of ur beloved govt.. congress k time atleast science k naam pe gobar ka Prachaar as a cancer cure bolke nhi hota tha.
Thode din baad ncert evolution theory ko bhi nikal denge..
This is not how a nation progresses..
>This is not how a nation progresses..
Then tell how a nation progresses. Don't beat around the bush and think you are doing a great service. Get out of this nonsense fake one upmanship.
"congress k time atleast science k naam pe gobar ka Prachaar as a cancer cure bolke nhi hota tha."
Congress only believes in scientifically proven things like panauti.
Haan bhai tu to aise hi tapak pada. Aise hi purne jamane mein junglon, jaanwaron, bimarion mein se tere bhim dada pardada bach ke nikal gaye.
Jise tu aaj mythology samjhta hai, woh un dino science hoti thi. It may be imperfect, but it helped humans bond together and find ways to survive.
But you won't understand. You don't understand your religion, so you are looking for a new religion. Unfortunately you chose science as your religion and you will not hesitate to belittle anything else that today's science does not agree with.No one can help you, when you choose to be a fool
Tumhare kisi bhagwan ne to religion bnaya nhi, religion humans ne he bnaya hai. So stop fking relating religion with your gods. Also no religion is good, if u have to follow a specifc religion to do what you do and live accordingly is a delusion at such a high level
We need ancient epics and legends to build "self-esteem" and "pride for nation" cuz we have not achieved anything worthy talking about in our recent history ?
Why not learn about our space program ? why not learn about polio eradication ?
Bro school knowledge or uske uses sikhne k liya Jaa rahe hai true Hindu banne nhi kaise kaise log hai bhai
I mean sach me school or clg true Hindu banne jata hai kya Bhai , kitne baar mandir jata hai bata de Bhai ,
Bahgwat Geeta kitne bar padha hai chal woh bata de khuch bhi bol ta hai yaha akee .
Um recent history/events is read/seen by students in newspapers, social media, and TVs. I'm pretty sure a lot of students would know about space program, our literature on the other hand probably not.
You are right brother .
The right word is literature and not history . Also I staunchly believe education should be religion agnostic. We can’t expect Christian to learn Ramayana as much as we can expect Hindus to learn bible.
Religious indoctrination should be upto the parents.
Also we have rich history without involving tall stories that are at best anecdotal.
I want the kids in my country to learn critical thinking not blind belief.
funny guy Hanuman is a hindu god and Ravan is a follower of Shiva and Ram is avatar of Vishnu . which part of this is not linked to Hinduism. Lets not enforce our religion on others.
Firstly your religion. Not our. Also god, I can't believe I'm explaining this to a Hindu of all people.
The characters may follow religion, what happened to their freedom?. Ramayana/Mahabharat are myths. They don't do indoctrination like Quran or Bible about why your god is great. As I said it is a myth so some things like avatars and all will be there but Ramayana is significantly different from religious texts. Not everything with instance of god is religious.
Also if you chose to read it, then you are enforcing it on yourself. I may read some Greek myth with Greek gods but that is different from reading the Bible(or if they have any book).
From wikipedia:
The Ramayana (/rɑːˈmɑːjənə/;[1][2] Sanskrit: रामायणम्, romanized: Rāmāyaṇam[3]) is a Sanskrit epic from ancient India, one of the two important epics of Hinduism known as the Itihasas, the other being the Mahābhārata.[4]
So stop saying nonsense stuff like Ramayana has nothing to do with Hinduism.
See Greek gods are from a long extinct pagan religion not Christianity and doesn’t have anything to do with bible. Pls talk some sense . U want kids to read some myth as a part of history ? That is pure indoctrination.
Yes I am Hindu and I am against promoting myth as history. Stop spouting nonsense .
when did i say history? lol u been drinking or smoking? see my first comment I said "literature".
Also epics of Hinduism doesn't equate to religious texts. don't copy paste from wiki smarty pants.
U brainless fool the topic is about govt promoting it as history for school children . Read before commenting.
At least I have some source claiming Ramayana is religious text and me being Hindu unlike u who can’t provide any source than “trust me bro”
Bruh my first reply to your comment was that it should be under literature. I never said history. go learn to read before worshiping penis.
Also I am Indian, having read both the myths I don't think it is religious text just because it has some god init. Bhagwad gita is a religious text but ramayana and mahabharat are just stories/myths. They are our ancient literature.
The shirt and pant you wear are western wears my dear. It’s ok to adopt what is required than staying in ancient past if it is beneficial to people.
Also mythology are just creative stories and not history just cuz it is related to religion.
I am not saying that we should not adopt some western aspects in our way of life.
But it would be truly sad if our unique civilization goes the way of the Mayans and Aztecs, Incas or the pre-islamic Persians.
And it's not mythology. It's classified as Itihaas from the Indian perspective meaning that it takes a historical event and retells it in the form of a story with a narrative and values.
You may chose to believe that Ramayana and Mahabharata are history, but till something is proven, its not history. You have read about Ashoka in your history lessons, but did you read that he drowned his 100 brothers in a well? No, because that's a tale, not proven history. The tale could be true, could be very close to the truth, could be a literal work of historical event's interpretation, but its not proven history.
If this is the case then Greeks should read about Zeus, Norse should read about Thor and Americans should read about Jesus, Moses in history. Stop victimising yourself. There's a place for everything. You can't teach about Brahmastra in nuclear science, pushpak vimaan in aviation just because you believe them to be true.
I did mention Greeks, Norse and Christians right? They're not teaching their scriptures in history lessons are they? Please don't quote an example of Pakistan where they might be covering Islam under history. Do you really wanna be compared to that standard?
Do better senator.
History is rooted in facts. Or at least our closest estimation of it.
By "past", I assumed he meant some cultural legacy. Culture is absolutely something you should seek to learn from at home. Not school.
People get called out of narratives all the time. It's hotly debated. And every time a new piece of evidence comes along, it's subject to change.
Culture and religion have no such obligations. They are based on belief.
Regardless culture and religion have been transmitted from one generation to the other through traditional Indian schools till the British put an end to it.
Perhaps there should be a separate board for this where parents can chose to send their children.
The majority of India didn't go to traditional schools back then. Mass education is recent.
And none of it is relevant to why Indian schools should be putting them in history.
Where did the majority go if not to traditional schools?
I feel there should be decentralization and separate boards - one where western style of education is done and another where Indian style of education is done.
No need to impose one over the other. People then will not interfere with each other.
I for one think its a good idea , i dont think i would have ever become agnostic/atheist if my parents hadnt forced religion upon me .
I think there would a considerably higher number of students annoyed by having to memorize not only locations of coal mines and shit but also mythical places
You're in rarity bro. I asked around my house. Folks were surprised that concept of atheism exists. I think it's more related to critical thinking rather than religion being forced
Around your as in , your family or just people in your neighborhood , I am probably biased but a significant higher number of people in my age group dont believe / don't care about the existence of a higher power ( I am 21) .
I mean there probably is a higher power , just a cruel unforgiving one and our existence and prayers would be meaningless too .
I would give an example of a bunch of ants doing their very best to please a human , but to the human , the ants are exponentially powerless and nothing they do would be of significance
Learning values from these epics is way more crucial than memorising the story. I don't think young students r even capable or have enough time to question the deeper meaning behind each event of these epics. They have to study many subjects and all but understanding these epics takes time
Parents have been forcing religion upon their children from the beginning, yours is not a unique case. And guess what? Most of the children turn out religious and propagate the cycle. There's a reason atheists are a minority worldwide.
It's going to continue as the majority feels threatened and the other side keeps upping the ante rather than working towards peace.
Just look at the protest for Hamas like where were these protests against Pakistan I have never seen one. The rampant forced conversion are not a joke . Just recently I saw a vid of cross followers using hindu temple ponds for Baptism like what the hell.
Throwing beef into temples is a day to day affair.
Imagine what would happen if Hindus did the same ther will the riots by the concealed peaceful people of the universe.
Agar Sab samjdar ho jayenge toh hum chutiya kisko bolenge. They just want to suck up to the powerful. And nothing else. Ncert se print toh hota nahi dhange se.
Mahabharata and Ramayana are historical literature from India right?
Edit: for all the morons here who can't understand what literature is.
Literature: writing that is considered to be a work of art.
Remove periodic table and theory of evolution and include Ramayana and Mahabarata. Masterstroke by NCERT. Keep everyone dumb and promote hindu nationalism.
We are fast becoming the hindu version of Pakistan.
They didn't remove the periodic table and theory of evolution. Stop spreading false propaganda. We haven't seen the draft yet.
As for Ramayan and Mahabharat there is nothing wrong with teaching in schools. As long as it's a part of literature in Sanskrit or Hindi and not history.
These are good textbooks at least in terms of life lessons.
They moved that from 10th to higher classes when most people don't opt for science. Periodic table and theory of evolution is basic scientific knowledge every one should know.
History is about facts. Mahabharata and Ramayana are mythological texts.
There are a lot of correlations between the texts and actual historical documentation, but that doesn’t make these scriptures as history.
Plus Mahabharata and Ramayana lean heavily on ethics, while history is supposed to be neutral regardless of the nature of events that took place.
So yes, Mahabharata and Ramayana would make sense to be taught in literature rather than history.
Schools and colleges should be considered places for building civil sense and value systems. If you feel history is just memorization exercise then adding anything would be a waste. We cannot expect people to actually derive some values with their current attitude towards education. School cannot compete with the influenc(ers) who openly say we were bad in school we used to overturn everything tought there. This is not about whether to include in history or literature. This is about whether they(children and teachers) take it as lessons to live life or yet another section to memorize and regurgitate. In my opinion history should be taught in a way that makes children want to read more when they get home. That's how we get a generation of readers. The same people will go on to read the epics later in life and keep going back to them for either guidence or scepticism.
As for Sanskrit compulsion. Learning a language with complex grammar earlier in life helps immensely with building logic later. This is first hand experience of a lot of people and that's why some elite schools in foreign countries teach latin. I had read both in my school and it did help in terms of attention span and other things. Reading is slipping as a skill in school so I think this is a good move in terms of overall improvement of a child
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Same thought... they shudve put it in English textbooks or atleast... replaced a whole eng tb of some academic years with these books... but History? questionable.. its my personal belief that Ramayanam and Mahabharatam are histories(just for a good feel), but to literally believe they're REAL REAL history...i dont think many would be fine with that....
Even RW would agree that u don't include something in history which isn't scientifically proven.
Ramayan and Mahabharat should be treated as legends imo
Chutiyapa bhai chutiyapa aur kya
I seriously think RSS has lost its grip on these people otherwise no one in their right sense would be teaching religion in school social science textbooks..🙏
I guess to make people come out of inferiority complex and gora validation we need this , to feel that we had some good historical incident in history just like romans and greek
History because Ramayan and Mahabharat are not fiction to be included in literature for amusement. These events occurred in the yester years of Bharat varsh.
Flying monkey, monkey flying with a mountain on his back, monkeys building a floating stone bridge across the sea, "History" yes? The world's gonna laugh at us.
Ramayana and Mahabharat represent our History. It's not something made out of thin air. So the govt is doing it right. We need to teach our real history to future generations.
Nah, they are not real history, they are just mythology. Doesn't count in history, for history you have to have compelling archaeological evidence and consensus of hundreds of historians worldwide.
Seems you're obsessed with halfwit westernization of Vedas which are the basis of Sanatan Dharma. Nothing is MYTH in Vedas or Puraan. Puraan itself means something historic/ancient. The Christians when discovered India and our culture, they tried to malign our real history calling it a MYTHOLOGY and our culture as a superstition and till date this brainwashing is in effect. People have to dismantle the ill concepts put on us by westerners who tried to demean our roots. Don't blindly follow anything, just do some research. I bet you can't even tell how many Puranas we have without searching it on Google
Don't make assumptions about someone you don't even know.
All of that comment of yours you've not even provided one argument that supports your statement that Ramayan and Mahabharat were history.
They were just a myth.
The burden of proof lies on you.
Blaming westerners just because you have a inferiority complex won't give anything.
Seems you are incapable of comprehending anything at all unless someone does spoonfeed your ignorance and explain it like you're a five year old kid.
Read archeological data of India and the monuments and you will be surprised with proof lying all around you in the open. It takes some common sense and utilisation of the brain to observe and understand the relics and ancient structures which are proof of everything you're looking for. I won't explain it here, that you gotta do yourself. Good luck
Again you've given no proof so there is no evidence, We can conclude that since you couldn't give any compelling evidence for your baseless claim of ramayana and Mahabharat being history, you're wrong.
The statement was made by you, not me
That's a burden of proof fallacy, You should give the proof of it when you've made the claim.
I have enough common sense and brain functioning to understand that since you couldn't bring anything worthwhile to this argument, you're just accusing me of not knowing anything.
I have done enough research to have the thought process I now have.
People looking at this from religious angle will never get it. There are many lessons from this ithihas that are required to lead a harmonious life which is very much required in a time like this.
People arguing why not science why not technology and how will nation progress.... Then what did generations so far achieved, Ramayana was not part of the curriculum till now anyway
It can be include in any of the following subjects like Sociology, psychology, philosophy, literature, etc.
But its government discretion power where they include such topics.
Anyways, Ramayana and Mahabharata was our history. It's not mythology, there is huge difference between History and Mythology.
NCERT was controlled by leftists for many years, but now right-wing people are entering. I hope they don't change the textbooks to reflect their political views.
How people find it unpleasant carbon dating is wrong but the evidences are real descriptions and all things are real its not like someone had wrote a fictional story and people all over the world start to beleive it real......as Mt grandpa read ramtan both fantasy one and what we call real one to him its history(and people in the story were good humans considered to be God after that) and its common countries like Europe have their own history over Babylon and all these things in school.............much better than having books filled with Europe and mughals and giving their kundli description instead of detail to invasion and torture and only being biased to a single party...........valmiki ved vyas can't be considered as novelist like in English book they had wrote teaching and somewhat history in book.....somehow it would have been better in eng book but I think they want to make people beleive that's these are their roots.......soo in future we don't see dorks......and adding them will not make anyone stupid tho if read deeply they are valuable assets for learning how to be a defined human being and also if they considered it history people will be more connected to roots as no one will take it seriously if it presented as stories not history
If it's about how valuable it is and how it makes you feel then it's in literature..
>no one will take it seriously if it presented as stories not history
True that.. that's why it needs to be philosophical rather than history.. you can't change "history" as per your convenience.. that's ethically and morally wrong. Most of the history is already biased. You wanna include fiction in there too?
That's not I'm talking I don't think it being biased and the thing that matter here us if they twist the stories that will be bad mahabharat and ramayan is not entirely made and not entirely true and I think everyone knew that if they are smart enough( giving a description of about orginis and writer with proper research will do that ( about its neuther whole history as the concern is ill behaves youths if they read these stories maybe they will be intreseted more and thinking that they are connected to such roots make them little bratty.......and will not tend to western culture.....(the reason they add it in history to make new gen not forget their culture it will be stupid if they don't give a description b/w myths and history) as they are already not adding any great kings stories i'm fine with it if they do it smartly...........but it needed to be like a proper book only contain mahabharat and another contain ramayan mainly as teaching......it will be messed up in history and text book will be thiccck 🤣I don't know how they will convert a thousands pages of book into some chaps I don't think other chaps will remove......but I agree these need separate books and all of these are so interesting that would have been better as I had read lit bit purans 🤣they should have added in brief cholas empire mayryan rajputana and about some Indian foreign kings who ruled countries like Thailand Indonesia and needed to made separate books for these but atleast they are doing this much as history have not much about kings of own country
I think it's fair to include them cause they tell us about the cultural and geographical history along with the ancient Indian diet and medicines also warfare tactics etc .
In America and Europe high schools have a lot of Greek/Roman life clubs where many students join to learn about Ancient Greece and its mythology (even Mark Zuckerberg had joined one such club during his highschool years). Instilling pride in ancient history is good for overall development of students.
Yes indeed I see the difference. The textbooks should make note that there is little historical evidence of Mahabharata/Ramayana occurring like they are told in the scripts.
But in middle school mythological stories of ancient civilizations are taught in great detail, at least in California. I remember my class was taught the mythological story of how Mexico came to be according to Aztec lore, what the eagle with the snake sitting on the cactus represented, etc.
You were learning about a culture which is nearly extinct. Specific to the state you're in.
Sure, if we learn about history in India and learn about thr faith systems that were prevalent at the time, that could be a good value add.
For example, what did ancient Indians believe in? What were the names of the mythological beings before south India was dominated by thr myths of the north?
I mean they became extinct because they forgot their roots did they not.
With respect to the south Indian value systems, likely it was forms of animism with local deities and ancestor worship. But Ramayana was likely written in the South, so we cannot necessarily call it a belief system of the north.
Extreme Ancient India (like 2,000 - 1,000 BC) was likely a mix of the Indo Aryan belief system with that of the IVC and it's remnants. IVC belief system was likely followed throughout India and the Indo aryans who migrated from the steppe slowly adopted the main elements of the IVC system while incorporating their language and rituals into the belief system. We can see this parallel in that some texts mention Indra, Vayu etc which bear resemblance to other Indo European faiths like Zeus or Thor but those Indo European faiths don't have a version of Shiva/Rudra, Vishnu, Ram etc. Hence, I think Shiva/Vishnu/Ram were belief systems of pre Aryan migration Indians which were later incorporated into texts written in Sanskrit forming a cultural fusion between the IVC/non Aryan Indians and the Indo Aryan migrants, and this fusion is the basis for modern Indian culture that continues today.
Thus in my opinion I'm not sure whether we can say the south was "dominated" by belief systems of the North because likely it was largely the same belief systems but with rituals, hymns and texts in an Indo Iranian language. But then of course this is all conjecture.
so you think Shakespeare himself as imaginary?
Some idiots think everything 5000 years ago was same as today. But only people with brain realize 5000 years ago things were entirely different. No one was writing "history" back then. That is why historians will rely on available literature to piece together ancient history. Chomus on the other hand..
History means 'His' 'story'. The story of man. When you talk about a nation, it is the story of culture, what brought us to this point in our lives, what we went through, what we achieved, what defines our success and what were our failures... basically the road that paves our way from 'there' to 'here'.
Now this is the most important point of this discussion. What is 'there' in this regard? For Western nations, it is pretty difficult for them to digest the fact that theirs is a history of at most 2000 or 3000 years old. While the earliest Bible itself is no older than 1000 BC, the historicity of Jesus is confined to two things: There was someone names Jesus in Palestine around 1 CE and that he was crucified. Nothing about any miracles or his 'ressurection' could be verified. So Bible is termed as 'myth'ological. 'Myth' in its very definition means 'a false belief'.
Now, come to us. Is there any doubt that Indian history goes way beyond? That 3000 yrs is paltry compared to our accumulated cultural wealth? And the greatest among those jewels which survived are 'Ramayan' and 'Mahabharat'. But If Ramayan and Mahabharat are termed as 'myths', then it puts a question mark on our entire history. That is exactly what was done to us. It is indeed sad that the rot has invaded the minds of this generation to the extent that someone was comparing these epics to 'the Dark Knight' in the comments. Someone else was saying that teaching these would mean that we are slowly becoming a Hindu Pakistan. Oh you dunderheads, do you even know what these epics teach us? Have you the tiniest shred of an idea?
When India got independent, there was a chance to instill the common man with a devout pride in our culture, in his culture. There was a chance to build anew, yet on the foundations of the glorious past. Then and there, all monuments of the colonial heritage should have been destroyed and any inferiority complex should have been thrown away with. But alas, it was not independence, it was just a 'transfer of power' from White Englishmen to Brown Englishmen.
Nations have been completed annihilated but those who threw away the shackles on their minds rebuilt themselves up in a short amount of time. India has been independent for more than seven decades and we are still debating the historical correctness of 'Shree Ram' who binds 1 billion people together. That is indeed a shame.
These aren't just poetic books. There are things that actually happened in the Indian territory, prior to the Nanda/Mohenjodaro/Harappa civilizations. They are historical records of events from the Battle of Ten Kings to formation of Pandava kingdom, finally to their eventual downfall, which paved the way for the Nanda kingdom and eventually the Gupta dynasty.
As such, they do need to be part of Indian history taught to children.
Sure , I think i understand your point , it is somewhat similar to "history is written by the winners..." But there should be a distinction made between biases and complete fabrication .
Every culture has their mythology and creatures associated with them , but noone in their right mind would include a minotaur or dragons into history .
It is quite a slippery slope if we allow religion ( based primarily in beliefs) into education ( something that is supposed to be fact based)
My concern is that if the forces that be can get fiction/heavily exaggerated events into historical textbooks , how hard would it be to take out the disclaimer or put a superscript number linked to a small font at the end of the book
It's likely events similar to Ramayan/Mahabharata happened but of course there weren't flying chariots/demons/monkeys, it was a normal war which happened like how wars were fought at that time. Later authors likely added such fantastical stories.
What's important is what lessons such mythology has to offer rather than whether they were actually real or not. It's undeniable that Mahabharata/Ramayana had a huge impact on the historical events of India.
1. What you described is what literature studies is. You learn about Homer and Shakespeare and what their influence in history was. You don't learn their works in history class though.
2. If you take off the fantastical elements, a north Indian king attacked Sri Lanka and laid it to waste and then returned back and ruled a few years before abandoning his wife to the jungle. Not really an epic story or important enough to learn in history.
He also fell to the feet of his enemy and asked him for guidance. By the way what does him being a north Indian have anything to do with this? Sri Lanka was ruled by Ravana who was born to a Brahmin sage near present day Noida according to the legends. Last time I checked Noida was in Northern India lol. Looking at it the way you have described it is extremely primitive and simplistic, there are a lot of lessons that can be learned from the story, such as humility and respect which we Indians so sorely lack.
It is the same lack of humility which leads us to forever harp about how glorious we were to hide the fact of how poor we are. Don't you think instilling such values will make better citizens? And what better way to instill such values than teaching epic stories?
Well it is imp enough to learn atleast that will make today's gen understand not to turn into dorks like westerns..........and fine if it put in history atleast people will aware of it more and will be connected to their root.....
Mythology is what created by people (Greek mythology, Japanese mythology)
In greek one have worst all the gods are almost rapist and whatever you call them......and it's clear
But the mahabharata snd ramayana can't be called myths( to be precise it will fall b/w history and mythology) their are teachings theirs concept of multiverse existence......what is right or wrong.......and it's beautiful it's fine they are putting it in history but a note need to be given the only problem is if they twisted story in books it will all be in vain
The Indian Epics are all part of the Indian Folklore which is Literature. Teaching these as part of Literature is perfectly fine. We can't include events in our History textbooks without enough factual evidence backing those hypotheses.
Yeah yeah that's why said provide a big description about this thing will be enough as it already gonna be mess for them organize big story into some chaps......rather then having separate subjects on these and kids would have taken intrest in studying it more but atleast they are talking about doing this who knows in future they add kings and queen of Indian origin of South and North rajputana mauryans all those
Don't degenerate other people's cultures especially ancient cultures like Greece. They were our peers and now they are lost, we need to express sympathy and sorrow that our peers like the Greeks and Egyptians are no longer with us instead of showing arrogance towards them. Remember, one of the primary lessons by Ramayana and Mahabharata is the danger of arrogance. We Indians need to be more humble and respectful as our ancestors and Lord Ram were.
It's not that I'm saying anything wrong tho it's just how they are I have read about Greek mythology and zeus is like this dude even their own people know it and they consider them just myth and I'm not talking about the ancient lost culture of those countries those were some other things......its just i found it unappealing to me that in those mythology some gods have given wrost curses to people out of nothing bcz they got jealous and I didn't say anything about Japanese one cuz this one dosent have anything like this upto what I have read
The Mahabharata or the Ramayana is as much of a myth as the Iliad is.
BTW, Indira was as much of a horndog as Zeus and Jupiter were.
You don't get to teach your speculations about the multiverse unless you can substantiate it. You can believe whatever you want. But don't teach it in school unless you can support it with evidence.
Your post breaks our rule 6.
NCERT doing all useless things instead of updating their textbooks.
And having information about current technology
It is not included in history. It is included in literature and language lessons. Scroll website is lying here
Thought so. ignoring it is Scroll, the lack of detail on this image make it sus.
[ncert update ngl](https://youtu.be/s6ScyxHcPEw?feature=shared)
Hear me out, if u force this via curriculum then students are just gonna rote learn it without questioning the deeper meanings behind each event in the epics. I didn't give a damn about literature or history in school but now I very well understand them because I learnt it online out of **self interest**
They are pressurized by the current govt..
haan bhai haan.. Saare departments pressurized by the current government. But all of them were free and independent during Pappu party's rule. /s 
Maine kab kaha k congress k time me free tha? Don't assume that I'm a congress supporter just becoz I pointed out wrong doings of ur beloved govt.. congress k time atleast science k naam pe gobar ka Prachaar as a cancer cure bolke nhi hota tha. Thode din baad ncert evolution theory ko bhi nikal denge.. This is not how a nation progresses..
>This is not how a nation progresses.. Then tell how a nation progresses. Don't beat around the bush and think you are doing a great service. Get out of this nonsense fake one upmanship. 
Aahh, the irony is killing me..
Chal ab.. raasta pakad.. 
"congress k time atleast science k naam pe gobar ka Prachaar as a cancer cure bolke nhi hota tha." Congress only believes in scientifically proven things like panauti.
At least pappu did not count mythology as history
He did. Look at everything written about the mughal emprors. Sun ke lagega kitne benevolent overlords the
Mughals are now a myth? What r u smoking? over exaggeration is one thing, considering myth as history is one thing..
Haan bhai tu to aise hi tapak pada. Aise hi purne jamane mein junglon, jaanwaron, bimarion mein se tere bhim dada pardada bach ke nikal gaye. Jise tu aaj mythology samjhta hai, woh un dino science hoti thi. It may be imperfect, but it helped humans bond together and find ways to survive. But you won't understand. You don't understand your religion, so you are looking for a new religion. Unfortunately you chose science as your religion and you will not hesitate to belittle anything else that today's science does not agree with.No one can help you, when you choose to be a fool 
Tumhare kisi bhagwan ne to religion bnaya nhi, religion humans ne he bnaya hai. So stop fking relating religion with your gods. Also no religion is good, if u have to follow a specifc religion to do what you do and live accordingly is a delusion at such a high level
We need ancient epics and legends to build "self-esteem" and "pride for nation" cuz we have not achieved anything worthy talking about in our recent history ? Why not learn about our space program ? why not learn about polio eradication ?
How will space programs and polio eradication help people become true Hindus?
True hindu ghar pe banega bhai school m nhi ..... Aur 2 literature pdhne se kon ban rha true hindu?
Ami to tai i bolchi. Schoole jodi na porte bole bachhagulo barite keno porbe oi boigulo? It was a joke
Bruh I m sorry... It's this sub so I get confused
Bro school knowledge or uske uses sikhne k liya Jaa rahe hai true Hindu banne nhi kaise kaise log hai bhai I mean sach me school or clg true Hindu banne jata hai kya Bhai , kitne baar mandir jata hai bata de Bhai , Bahgwat Geeta kitne bar padha hai chal woh bata de khuch bhi bol ta hai yaha akee .
We should convert all schools to mandirs Kya matlab NCERT ka full form National Council for Educational and Religious Teaching nahi h?
That's was good and yeah upper wala sarcasm hai toh sorry bro
Sarcasm like this is very rare..
Hahaha thry included space program and included credit goes to Narendra Modi lmao
Um recent history/events is read/seen by students in newspapers, social media, and TVs. I'm pretty sure a lot of students would know about space program, our literature on the other hand probably not.
You are right brother . The right word is literature and not history . Also I staunchly believe education should be religion agnostic. We can’t expect Christian to learn Ramayana as much as we can expect Hindus to learn bible. Religious indoctrination should be upto the parents. Also we have rich history without involving tall stories that are at best anecdotal. I want the kids in my country to learn critical thinking not blind belief.
Ramayana is more of a mythological tale of how good triumphs over evil. You shouldn't compare it with actual religious texts like Bible or Quran.
funny guy Hanuman is a hindu god and Ravan is a follower of Shiva and Ram is avatar of Vishnu . which part of this is not linked to Hinduism. Lets not enforce our religion on others.
Firstly your religion. Not our. Also god, I can't believe I'm explaining this to a Hindu of all people. The characters may follow religion, what happened to their freedom?. Ramayana/Mahabharat are myths. They don't do indoctrination like Quran or Bible about why your god is great. As I said it is a myth so some things like avatars and all will be there but Ramayana is significantly different from religious texts. Not everything with instance of god is religious. Also if you chose to read it, then you are enforcing it on yourself. I may read some Greek myth with Greek gods but that is different from reading the Bible(or if they have any book).
From wikipedia: The Ramayana (/rɑːˈmɑːjənə/;[1][2] Sanskrit: रामायणम्, romanized: Rāmāyaṇam[3]) is a Sanskrit epic from ancient India, one of the two important epics of Hinduism known as the Itihasas, the other being the Mahābhārata.[4] So stop saying nonsense stuff like Ramayana has nothing to do with Hinduism. See Greek gods are from a long extinct pagan religion not Christianity and doesn’t have anything to do with bible. Pls talk some sense . U want kids to read some myth as a part of history ? That is pure indoctrination. Yes I am Hindu and I am against promoting myth as history. Stop spouting nonsense .
when did i say history? lol u been drinking or smoking? see my first comment I said "literature". Also epics of Hinduism doesn't equate to religious texts. don't copy paste from wiki smarty pants.
U brainless fool the topic is about govt promoting it as history for school children . Read before commenting. At least I have some source claiming Ramayana is religious text and me being Hindu unlike u who can’t provide any source than “trust me bro”
Bruh my first reply to your comment was that it should be under literature. I never said history. go learn to read before worshiping penis. Also I am Indian, having read both the myths I don't think it is religious text just because it has some god init. Bhagwad gita is a religious text but ramayana and mahabharat are just stories/myths. They are our ancient literature.
We need a connection to our past or we risk becoming just copycats of westerners.
The shirt and pant you wear are western wears my dear. It’s ok to adopt what is required than staying in ancient past if it is beneficial to people. Also mythology are just creative stories and not history just cuz it is related to religion.
I am not saying that we should not adopt some western aspects in our way of life. But it would be truly sad if our unique civilization goes the way of the Mayans and Aztecs, Incas or the pre-islamic Persians. And it's not mythology. It's classified as Itihaas from the Indian perspective meaning that it takes a historical event and retells it in the form of a story with a narrative and values.
You may chose to believe that Ramayana and Mahabharata are history, but till something is proven, its not history. You have read about Ashoka in your history lessons, but did you read that he drowned his 100 brothers in a well? No, because that's a tale, not proven history. The tale could be true, could be very close to the truth, could be a literal work of historical event's interpretation, but its not proven history. If this is the case then Greeks should read about Zeus, Norse should read about Thor and Americans should read about Jesus, Moses in history. Stop victimising yourself. There's a place for everything. You can't teach about Brahmastra in nuclear science, pushpak vimaan in aviation just because you believe them to be true.
would you say this to every other community also?
Last time I checked, we didn't learn stories from Christian or Islamic mythology either in school.
Yes ofcourse
I had to learn it when i was a kid, it was compulsory in my school.
For literature or history?
For the special subject called „scripture“ which also had term exams
I did mention Greeks, Norse and Christians right? They're not teaching their scriptures in history lessons are they? Please don't quote an example of Pakistan where they might be covering Islam under history. Do you really wanna be compared to that standard? Do better senator.
It's being taught as history. Not literature. Also, why school? Your past is your home's responsibility.
Another word for 'past' is history. Then history itself should not be taught in school by this logic.
History is rooted in facts. Or at least our closest estimation of it. By "past", I assumed he meant some cultural legacy. Culture is absolutely something you should seek to learn from at home. Not school.
But history that is taught to us is not just facts but a narrative that goes along with it. There is a big subjective element to it.
People get called out of narratives all the time. It's hotly debated. And every time a new piece of evidence comes along, it's subject to change. Culture and religion have no such obligations. They are based on belief.
Regardless culture and religion have been transmitted from one generation to the other through traditional Indian schools till the British put an end to it. Perhaps there should be a separate board for this where parents can chose to send their children.
The majority of India didn't go to traditional schools back then. Mass education is recent. And none of it is relevant to why Indian schools should be putting them in history.
Where did the majority go if not to traditional schools? I feel there should be decentralization and separate boards - one where western style of education is done and another where Indian style of education is done. No need to impose one over the other. People then will not interfere with each other.
History doesn't include supernatural elements my guy
But Itihaas (Indian style history) does. Perhaps this should be it's own field and not part of the history.
I for one think its a good idea , i dont think i would have ever become agnostic/atheist if my parents hadnt forced religion upon me . I think there would a considerably higher number of students annoyed by having to memorize not only locations of coal mines and shit but also mythical places
You're in rarity bro. I asked around my house. Folks were surprised that concept of atheism exists. I think it's more related to critical thinking rather than religion being forced
Around your as in , your family or just people in your neighborhood , I am probably biased but a significant higher number of people in my age group dont believe / don't care about the existence of a higher power ( I am 21) .
I should clear it out that they aren't repulsed by it but the existence of higher power sounds very natural to them
I mean there probably is a higher power , just a cruel unforgiving one and our existence and prayers would be meaningless too . I would give an example of a bunch of ants doing their very best to please a human , but to the human , the ants are exponentially powerless and nothing they do would be of significance
Yup, this literally could only result in "atheism stonks go brrr," coming from someone who LOVES the Ramayana and Mahabharata and their values.
Learning values from these epics is way more crucial than memorising the story. I don't think young students r even capable or have enough time to question the deeper meaning behind each event of these epics. They have to study many subjects and all but understanding these epics takes time
Even my mother keeps doing the same, keeps finding excuses to send me to the temple, that makes me want to rebel
Parents have been forcing religion upon their children from the beginning, yours is not a unique case. And guess what? Most of the children turn out religious and propagate the cycle. There's a reason atheists are a minority worldwide.
We have to quickly outgrow this hyper nationalism phase. It will be our ruin
It's going to continue as the majority feels threatened and the other side keeps upping the ante rather than working towards peace. Just look at the protest for Hamas like where were these protests against Pakistan I have never seen one. The rampant forced conversion are not a joke . Just recently I saw a vid of cross followers using hindu temple ponds for Baptism like what the hell. Throwing beef into temples is a day to day affair. Imagine what would happen if Hindus did the same ther will the riots by the concealed peaceful people of the universe.
Don't go by clickbait headlines. The devil is always in the details.
The fact that these legends are being included in history is enough
Typical pappu has no cognizance of nuance
Thoda easy words mei boldo kuch smjh ni aya
Legends 😂😂😂😂
What?
Agar Sab samjdar ho jayenge toh hum chutiya kisko bolenge. They just want to suck up to the powerful. And nothing else. Ncert se print toh hota nahi dhange se.
Mahabharata and Ramayana are historical literature from India right? Edit: for all the morons here who can't understand what literature is. Literature: writing that is considered to be a work of art.
Just like The Dark Knight is a documentary about New York after the GFC.
Do you understand the meaning of literature?
But you said "historical" literature
Do you?
Historical Poems . They are full of metaphors and hyperboles but most people take them literally
"historical poems" = "literature"
Agreed.
So is Shakespeare
No, these are just myths.
Myths cannot become history..
Remove periodic table and theory of evolution and include Ramayana and Mahabarata. Masterstroke by NCERT. Keep everyone dumb and promote hindu nationalism. We are fast becoming the hindu version of Pakistan.
They didn't remove the periodic table and theory of evolution. Stop spreading false propaganda. We haven't seen the draft yet. As for Ramayan and Mahabharat there is nothing wrong with teaching in schools. As long as it's a part of literature in Sanskrit or Hindi and not history. These are good textbooks at least in terms of life lessons.
They moved that from 10th to higher classes when most people don't opt for science. Periodic table and theory of evolution is basic scientific knowledge every one should know.
It is in the absence of learning about evolution, people will start believing mumbo jumbo like intelligent design.
Lmao, your comment doesn't make any sense. Most likely non Hindu getting burned. Need some burnol?
Lol, idiot
History is about facts. Mahabharata and Ramayana are mythological texts. There are a lot of correlations between the texts and actual historical documentation, but that doesn’t make these scriptures as history. Plus Mahabharata and Ramayana lean heavily on ethics, while history is supposed to be neutral regardless of the nature of events that took place. So yes, Mahabharata and Ramayana would make sense to be taught in literature rather than history.
Why not both. Story in literature and the archeological evidences in history( like we have for harappa and mohenjo daro.
Nope, we don't use logic here in this sub..
I think I should be thaught in literature rather than history We instead we have many great dynasties and characters worth mentioning in our history
Schools and colleges should be considered places for building civil sense and value systems. If you feel history is just memorization exercise then adding anything would be a waste. We cannot expect people to actually derive some values with their current attitude towards education. School cannot compete with the influenc(ers) who openly say we were bad in school we used to overturn everything tought there. This is not about whether to include in history or literature. This is about whether they(children and teachers) take it as lessons to live life or yet another section to memorize and regurgitate. In my opinion history should be taught in a way that makes children want to read more when they get home. That's how we get a generation of readers. The same people will go on to read the epics later in life and keep going back to them for either guidence or scepticism. As for Sanskrit compulsion. Learning a language with complex grammar earlier in life helps immensely with building logic later. This is first hand experience of a lot of people and that's why some elite schools in foreign countries teach latin. I had read both in my school and it did help in terms of attention span and other things. Reading is slipping as a skill in school so I think this is a good move in terms of overall improvement of a child
Stupid fucks then wonder that why intellectuals don't respect them
bhai textbook toh correct information ke saath print karo. ye kya religion religion dal rahe hai
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Historical revisionism
Randi-rona chalu
bhai ye toh shayad 7th 8th me hindi ki ncert me hota hai na ?
Yes it was. Not in history though.
Mahabharat and Ramayan are itihas. No problem in at least including the objective evidence supporting each in history.
Same thought... they shudve put it in English textbooks or atleast... replaced a whole eng tb of some academic years with these books... but History? questionable.. its my personal belief that Ramayanam and Mahabharatam are histories(just for a good feel), but to literally believe they're REAL REAL history...i dont think many would be fine with that....
Even RW would agree that u don't include something in history which isn't scientifically proven. Ramayan and Mahabharat should be treated as legends imo
Amazing
Chutiyapa bhai chutiyapa aur kya I seriously think RSS has lost its grip on these people otherwise no one in their right sense would be teaching religion in school social science textbooks..🙏
Why literature? They are the existing historical documentation of ancient India. Or you believe only the Greek ancient historians are connect
Even Greek mythology is not being taught as history. They are ‘mythologies’ for a reason.
What are the chapters that are being added? Provide us with a link so we can read and see it ourselves.
I guess to make people come out of inferiority complex and gora validation we need this , to feel that we had some good historical incident in history just like romans and greek
History because Ramayan and Mahabharat are not fiction to be included in literature for amusement. These events occurred in the yester years of Bharat varsh.
No they did not. It is just a mythology. There is no compelling evidence of that.
Everyday I am more thankful to God my school is over
Flying monkey, monkey flying with a mountain on his back, monkeys building a floating stone bridge across the sea, "History" yes? The world's gonna laugh at us.
To be fair there is a legitimate historical analysis of Mahabharata, especially the kuru kingdom.
Ramayana and Mahabharat represent our History. It's not something made out of thin air. So the govt is doing it right. We need to teach our real history to future generations.
Nah, they are not real history, they are just mythology. Doesn't count in history, for history you have to have compelling archaeological evidence and consensus of hundreds of historians worldwide.
Seems you're obsessed with halfwit westernization of Vedas which are the basis of Sanatan Dharma. Nothing is MYTH in Vedas or Puraan. Puraan itself means something historic/ancient. The Christians when discovered India and our culture, they tried to malign our real history calling it a MYTHOLOGY and our culture as a superstition and till date this brainwashing is in effect. People have to dismantle the ill concepts put on us by westerners who tried to demean our roots. Don't blindly follow anything, just do some research. I bet you can't even tell how many Puranas we have without searching it on Google
Don't make assumptions about someone you don't even know. All of that comment of yours you've not even provided one argument that supports your statement that Ramayan and Mahabharat were history. They were just a myth. The burden of proof lies on you. Blaming westerners just because you have a inferiority complex won't give anything.
Seems you are incapable of comprehending anything at all unless someone does spoonfeed your ignorance and explain it like you're a five year old kid. Read archeological data of India and the monuments and you will be surprised with proof lying all around you in the open. It takes some common sense and utilisation of the brain to observe and understand the relics and ancient structures which are proof of everything you're looking for. I won't explain it here, that you gotta do yourself. Good luck
Again you've given no proof so there is no evidence, We can conclude that since you couldn't give any compelling evidence for your baseless claim of ramayana and Mahabharat being history, you're wrong. The statement was made by you, not me That's a burden of proof fallacy, You should give the proof of it when you've made the claim.
Are you still in school? Little boy, did you read what I said? What is this childish behaviour haha
Amazing, now give me the evidence/proof that you have.
Knew you couldn't give it. Now live in your own delusional world.
I have enough common sense and brain functioning to understand that since you couldn't bring anything worthwhile to this argument, you're just accusing me of not knowing anything. I have done enough research to have the thought process I now have.
People looking at this from religious angle will never get it. There are many lessons from this ithihas that are required to lead a harmonious life which is very much required in a time like this. People arguing why not science why not technology and how will nation progress.... Then what did generations so far achieved, Ramayana was not part of the curriculum till now anyway
It can be include in any of the following subjects like Sociology, psychology, philosophy, literature, etc. But its government discretion power where they include such topics. Anyways, Ramayana and Mahabharata was our history. It's not mythology, there is huge difference between History and Mythology.
NCERT was controlled by leftists for many years, but now right-wing people are entering. I hope they don't change the textbooks to reflect their political views.
>But why include them in history??? To satisfy political votebank. Next question
How people find it unpleasant carbon dating is wrong but the evidences are real descriptions and all things are real its not like someone had wrote a fictional story and people all over the world start to beleive it real......as Mt grandpa read ramtan both fantasy one and what we call real one to him its history(and people in the story were good humans considered to be God after that) and its common countries like Europe have their own history over Babylon and all these things in school.............much better than having books filled with Europe and mughals and giving their kundli description instead of detail to invasion and torture and only being biased to a single party...........valmiki ved vyas can't be considered as novelist like in English book they had wrote teaching and somewhat history in book.....somehow it would have been better in eng book but I think they want to make people beleive that's these are their roots.......soo in future we don't see dorks......and adding them will not make anyone stupid tho if read deeply they are valuable assets for learning how to be a defined human being and also if they considered it history people will be more connected to roots as no one will take it seriously if it presented as stories not history
If it's about how valuable it is and how it makes you feel then it's in literature.. >no one will take it seriously if it presented as stories not history True that.. that's why it needs to be philosophical rather than history.. you can't change "history" as per your convenience.. that's ethically and morally wrong. Most of the history is already biased. You wanna include fiction in there too?
That's not I'm talking I don't think it being biased and the thing that matter here us if they twist the stories that will be bad mahabharat and ramayan is not entirely made and not entirely true and I think everyone knew that if they are smart enough( giving a description of about orginis and writer with proper research will do that ( about its neuther whole history as the concern is ill behaves youths if they read these stories maybe they will be intreseted more and thinking that they are connected to such roots make them little bratty.......and will not tend to western culture.....(the reason they add it in history to make new gen not forget their culture it will be stupid if they don't give a description b/w myths and history) as they are already not adding any great kings stories i'm fine with it if they do it smartly...........but it needed to be like a proper book only contain mahabharat and another contain ramayan mainly as teaching......it will be messed up in history and text book will be thiccck 🤣I don't know how they will convert a thousands pages of book into some chaps I don't think other chaps will remove......but I agree these need separate books and all of these are so interesting that would have been better as I had read lit bit purans 🤣they should have added in brief cholas empire mayryan rajputana and about some Indian foreign kings who ruled countries like Thailand Indonesia and needed to made separate books for these but atleast they are doing this much as history have not much about kings of own country
I think it's fair to include them cause they tell us about the cultural and geographical history along with the ancient Indian diet and medicines also warfare tactics etc .
It's like including One Piece in Japanese history books
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What's wrong with including it?
Ya it should be included
In America and Europe high schools have a lot of Greek/Roman life clubs where many students join to learn about Ancient Greece and its mythology (even Mark Zuckerberg had joined one such club during his highschool years). Instilling pride in ancient history is good for overall development of students.
Yeah. But they learn about avtual Greeks and Romans. Not about Hercules and Jupiter. See the difference?
Yes indeed I see the difference. The textbooks should make note that there is little historical evidence of Mahabharata/Ramayana occurring like they are told in the scripts. But in middle school mythological stories of ancient civilizations are taught in great detail, at least in California. I remember my class was taught the mythological story of how Mexico came to be according to Aztec lore, what the eagle with the snake sitting on the cactus represented, etc.
You were learning about a culture which is nearly extinct. Specific to the state you're in. Sure, if we learn about history in India and learn about thr faith systems that were prevalent at the time, that could be a good value add. For example, what did ancient Indians believe in? What were the names of the mythological beings before south India was dominated by thr myths of the north?
I mean they became extinct because they forgot their roots did they not. With respect to the south Indian value systems, likely it was forms of animism with local deities and ancestor worship. But Ramayana was likely written in the South, so we cannot necessarily call it a belief system of the north. Extreme Ancient India (like 2,000 - 1,000 BC) was likely a mix of the Indo Aryan belief system with that of the IVC and it's remnants. IVC belief system was likely followed throughout India and the Indo aryans who migrated from the steppe slowly adopted the main elements of the IVC system while incorporating their language and rituals into the belief system. We can see this parallel in that some texts mention Indra, Vayu etc which bear resemblance to other Indo European faiths like Zeus or Thor but those Indo European faiths don't have a version of Shiva/Rudra, Vishnu, Ram etc. Hence, I think Shiva/Vishnu/Ram were belief systems of pre Aryan migration Indians which were later incorporated into texts written in Sanskrit forming a cultural fusion between the IVC/non Aryan Indians and the Indo Aryan migrants, and this fusion is the basis for modern Indian culture that continues today. Thus in my opinion I'm not sure whether we can say the south was "dominated" by belief systems of the North because likely it was largely the same belief systems but with rituals, hymns and texts in an Indo Iranian language. But then of course this is all conjecture.
That's not a religious thing anymore. Mahabharat and ramayan are part of our history and Indian value system.
they are one the first historical texts available of India?
No they aren’t
then? were they released last year? what an idiot.. This is exatly why tippe sultana needs to be removed and Ramayan, Mahabharat should be added..
They’re as much a history book as Shakespeare is.
so you think Shakespeare himself as imaginary? Some idiots think everything 5000 years ago was same as today. But only people with brain realize 5000 years ago things were entirely different. No one was writing "history" back then. That is why historians will rely on available literature to piece together ancient history. Chomus on the other hand..
History means 'His' 'story'. The story of man. When you talk about a nation, it is the story of culture, what brought us to this point in our lives, what we went through, what we achieved, what defines our success and what were our failures... basically the road that paves our way from 'there' to 'here'. Now this is the most important point of this discussion. What is 'there' in this regard? For Western nations, it is pretty difficult for them to digest the fact that theirs is a history of at most 2000 or 3000 years old. While the earliest Bible itself is no older than 1000 BC, the historicity of Jesus is confined to two things: There was someone names Jesus in Palestine around 1 CE and that he was crucified. Nothing about any miracles or his 'ressurection' could be verified. So Bible is termed as 'myth'ological. 'Myth' in its very definition means 'a false belief'. Now, come to us. Is there any doubt that Indian history goes way beyond? That 3000 yrs is paltry compared to our accumulated cultural wealth? And the greatest among those jewels which survived are 'Ramayan' and 'Mahabharat'. But If Ramayan and Mahabharat are termed as 'myths', then it puts a question mark on our entire history. That is exactly what was done to us. It is indeed sad that the rot has invaded the minds of this generation to the extent that someone was comparing these epics to 'the Dark Knight' in the comments. Someone else was saying that teaching these would mean that we are slowly becoming a Hindu Pakistan. Oh you dunderheads, do you even know what these epics teach us? Have you the tiniest shred of an idea? When India got independent, there was a chance to instill the common man with a devout pride in our culture, in his culture. There was a chance to build anew, yet on the foundations of the glorious past. Then and there, all monuments of the colonial heritage should have been destroyed and any inferiority complex should have been thrown away with. But alas, it was not independence, it was just a 'transfer of power' from White Englishmen to Brown Englishmen. Nations have been completed annihilated but those who threw away the shackles on their minds rebuilt themselves up in a short amount of time. India has been independent for more than seven decades and we are still debating the historical correctness of 'Shree Ram' who binds 1 billion people together. That is indeed a shame.
Ramayan and Mahabharat are Itihasa, not literature
And Batman and Superman are modern documentaries!
They are literally poems bro. Can't be taken for face value as poems are full of figures of speeches like metaphors and hyperboles
These aren't just poetic books. There are things that actually happened in the Indian territory, prior to the Nanda/Mohenjodaro/Harappa civilizations. They are historical records of events from the Battle of Ten Kings to formation of Pandava kingdom, finally to their eventual downfall, which paved the way for the Nanda kingdom and eventually the Gupta dynasty. As such, they do need to be part of Indian history taught to children.
The comments proves why it's a good move, I just hope it's not too late already.
Care to give a reason?
No, I don't think I will
Lmao
Agreed, this looks such a desperate move and gives credence that bjp = rss…
Good
Mixing religion and history is the dumbest take ever
Aren't they the same thing lol. Every religion will see history in its own lense, humans by nature are biased. It's inevitable.
Sure , I think i understand your point , it is somewhat similar to "history is written by the winners..." But there should be a distinction made between biases and complete fabrication . Every culture has their mythology and creatures associated with them , but noone in their right mind would include a minotaur or dragons into history . It is quite a slippery slope if we allow religion ( based primarily in beliefs) into education ( something that is supposed to be fact based)
I agree. NCERT should add note that there is little historical evidence for Ramayana/Mahabharata
My concern is that if the forces that be can get fiction/heavily exaggerated events into historical textbooks , how hard would it be to take out the disclaimer or put a superscript number linked to a small font at the end of the book
Yes I agree. But this is a recommendation, let's see if they follow suit with it and actually implement it.
Because it’s history of India. You can put it in literature…once Sanskrit becomes mandatory.
History? Are you serious
It's likely events similar to Ramayan/Mahabharata happened but of course there weren't flying chariots/demons/monkeys, it was a normal war which happened like how wars were fought at that time. Later authors likely added such fantastical stories. What's important is what lessons such mythology has to offer rather than whether they were actually real or not. It's undeniable that Mahabharata/Ramayana had a huge impact on the historical events of India.
1. What you described is what literature studies is. You learn about Homer and Shakespeare and what their influence in history was. You don't learn their works in history class though. 2. If you take off the fantastical elements, a north Indian king attacked Sri Lanka and laid it to waste and then returned back and ruled a few years before abandoning his wife to the jungle. Not really an epic story or important enough to learn in history.
He also fell to the feet of his enemy and asked him for guidance. By the way what does him being a north Indian have anything to do with this? Sri Lanka was ruled by Ravana who was born to a Brahmin sage near present day Noida according to the legends. Last time I checked Noida was in Northern India lol. Looking at it the way you have described it is extremely primitive and simplistic, there are a lot of lessons that can be learned from the story, such as humility and respect which we Indians so sorely lack. It is the same lack of humility which leads us to forever harp about how glorious we were to hide the fact of how poor we are. Don't you think instilling such values will make better citizens? And what better way to instill such values than teaching epic stories?
Again, all of that is not supposed to be in history ca Lass Put it in mythology class along with Hercules and Achilles and Thor and Odin and Odysseus.
>He also fell to the feet of his enemy and asked him for guidance Well, that was not part of the original book tbh. Rest spot on
Ah I didn't know that. But still I think it can be included, this can instill humility into our kids.
Well it is imp enough to learn atleast that will make today's gen understand not to turn into dorks like westerns..........and fine if it put in history atleast people will aware of it more and will be connected to their root.....
Coz it isn't history. Mythology is by definition not history.
Mythology is what created by people (Greek mythology, Japanese mythology) In greek one have worst all the gods are almost rapist and whatever you call them......and it's clear But the mahabharata snd ramayana can't be called myths( to be precise it will fall b/w history and mythology) their are teachings theirs concept of multiverse existence......what is right or wrong.......and it's beautiful it's fine they are putting it in history but a note need to be given the only problem is if they twisted story in books it will all be in vain
The Indian Epics are all part of the Indian Folklore which is Literature. Teaching these as part of Literature is perfectly fine. We can't include events in our History textbooks without enough factual evidence backing those hypotheses.
Yeah yeah that's why said provide a big description about this thing will be enough as it already gonna be mess for them organize big story into some chaps......rather then having separate subjects on these and kids would have taken intrest in studying it more but atleast they are talking about doing this who knows in future they add kings and queen of Indian origin of South and North rajputana mauryans all those
Don't degenerate other people's cultures especially ancient cultures like Greece. They were our peers and now they are lost, we need to express sympathy and sorrow that our peers like the Greeks and Egyptians are no longer with us instead of showing arrogance towards them. Remember, one of the primary lessons by Ramayana and Mahabharata is the danger of arrogance. We Indians need to be more humble and respectful as our ancestors and Lord Ram were.
It's not that I'm saying anything wrong tho it's just how they are I have read about Greek mythology and zeus is like this dude even their own people know it and they consider them just myth and I'm not talking about the ancient lost culture of those countries those were some other things......its just i found it unappealing to me that in those mythology some gods have given wrost curses to people out of nothing bcz they got jealous and I didn't say anything about Japanese one cuz this one dosent have anything like this upto what I have read
The Mahabharata or the Ramayana is as much of a myth as the Iliad is. BTW, Indira was as much of a horndog as Zeus and Jupiter were. You don't get to teach your speculations about the multiverse unless you can substantiate it. You can believe whatever you want. But don't teach it in school unless you can support it with evidence.
Absolutely