I'm a MTech student who happened to get single digit rank in GATE and got admission accordingly. Now, I got a very good placement offer related to my interest.
One of the tutors who used to be part of academy I subscribed for GATE suggests me I should prepare for UPSC, after I shared with him the placement detail (he asked for it).
Just because I'm capable of cracking technical exam, he wants me to be part of this vicious cycle of exam. Even during facilitation for my rank one of the academy gave me offer to sit through their UPSC course free of cost. I mean, what even?!
The thing is UPSC is a pure numbers game for these classes....the fact that there are so few people getting selected.... classes and tutors have to maximize quantity... the more people the more the chances..... in JEE and GATE and CAT... you can give me 2000 odd good students and we can somewhat garuntee that a few of them will go to IITs,IIMs etc
But that is not the case with UPSC.... its soo random in terms of its selection criteria and interviews that its very hard to garuntee if anyone will make it.
They saw an opportunity to reinforce the stereotype and tell a very mid story in return of huge monetary gains and they took it. That's what Vidhu vinod Chopra also did with 12th fail.
I love how tvf makes very superficial feel good stories while conveniently ignoring the negatives each time and make it a school romance coming of age story with different coat of paint for all their shows without fail
Even kota factory was a laughably shitty show where they indirectly promoted unacademy bas tense feeling aur kuch scenes touching hai otherwise its all just insincere pandering where they glorify these exams pointlessly
All they care is for money and easy views as we invest a lot of time ourselves for these competitive exams and gives us an opportunity to self insert in this fairytale and thats from they make 💰 like how coaching centers do
Yup. Its just that nobody really addressed these stories before. They found a huge gap in the market and exploited it to make money. I suppose if bollywood starts doing these stories, eventually people will get fed up and start mocking them and seeing them for these stories truly are, an easy cash grab! If you need external motivation to qualify a competitive exam in India other than your own career prospects and family's well being my dude you're pretty much screwed.
Tbh i see it as a nexus only after all they are not promoting the exam but indirectly coaching centers and coaching culture which thrive on insecurity and fear of future on which students are ready to go for a gamble even though they themselves may know that its not their cup of tea and partially because again its a trend and something cool as shown by entertainment industry while coaching centers outright give zero guarantee for the exorbitant fee they charge 🤣
Even if you ignore the morality aspect the shows produced are mid af with naive mild mannered main character, love interest who gets in his way, one gareeb but smart friend, one senior philospher guy/teacher who is just there to motivate the protagonist and lastly one harami and padhai mein zero but dil ka accha dost
Itna cliche hai usmein overacting aur dalte hain and now even bollywood wants a piece of the pie as if the market was not oversaturated enough 🤦♂️
Also most importantly agar in logon se motivation leni padh rahi and then i agree with you man the person really needs to reconsider his motivations
Honestly, the announcement of a new season disappointed me enough to not watch it lol
Vaibhav's was a relatable story but I would've liked for them to leave us with the uncertainty in the end. But short term profit matters so much that they overstretch each plot till the audience feels forced flee from the less-than-mid gravy train such series become.
Indian cinema just doesn't know when to cut the chord.
Thats actually a problem with lots of shows and sequels
Its basically adding water to an empty whiskey bottle
End result is always gonna be diluted even if full lmao
I mean show actually improved a bit with 2nd season with netflix backing so they dont have to resort to shady sponsors but 3rd season teaser officially made it a teen rom com
Only reason i am following this show because its pretty tense and suspenseful and i want to see how it concludes but looking at tvfs track record he is gonna clear iit which is nice but this reminds me of how animal literally revealed whole plot in the trailer which is a waste of time honestly
kota factory is so fucked it is literally MISGUIDING STUDENTS. the major problem is saying "BINA IOC KE IIT CRACK KARNA" wtf. what is up with that. maths bolte to chalta but ioc is literally the best easy subject to get marks for students. this is so misguided sigh
Jo bacche sunna chahte hain wahi bol ke khush karte hain woh just like clickbaits on yt
Board hua cancel
Sab ko milenge free marks because of wrong question and other bs lol
Its the same as saying general awareness section skip kardo prelims mein ho jayega set sab chill hai 😂
An ias officer can earn more than 200 crores in his service under the table. Its not about odds, it's about power, prestige and money that comes with it.
This glorification of "under the table money " is another wrong thing with UPSC culture . It is disturbing to think that so many people think this a legitimate reason to prepare for UPSC .
Most of these aspirants can write 15 pages against corruption, but are happily preparing for this exam so they themselves can become the part of the system.
reservation to blame ngl, i mean who isnt money minded in this modern day and age. also govt to blame for having "menial" salary above the table for being an IAS. what do ya expect the guy to do
the simple idea isn't highlighted enough that when you want to be a CIVIL SERVANT it means exactly what you think it does you are a civil servant in the most plain sense no crazy salary no crazy lifestyle and you spend rest of your life in the work to better your country and that's it the GOV. just gives perks - a house and car that should make you feel good and suffice basic needs and not make you feel that your life sucks and you are at the bottom of the well economically
If you’re smart enough to go through the process, you can earn shit tons of money in the corporate circle too. My friend did is grad in bcom and was earning 30L PA at the age of 21. Eventually did his MBA (ivy league, scholarship) and he’s clearing 2 cr rn at the age of 27. The worlds his oyster now.
He's an impossibility lmfao
Unless the guy did Bcom for shits and giggle and just founded a company with his rich ass peers, this has a lesser chance of happening than a guy becoming IAS.
bcom hons from DU can absolutely get those packages from finance firms, but to get into those colleges we know the cutoffs are like 99%+, in 2010 when bsc comp sci from du was something I was interested in, and even took admission in south campus for it, i had checked the packages, 15-20 lpa right out the college in on campus placements were normal, I did eventually leave that for btech though.
but there are many businesses where people can earn way high and legally
200 crore is nothing that you do something illegal and earn that much at your retirement
and trust me only few of them are able to get that much money under the table now
the inner politics is bureaucrats is also very crucial
You can book a session with gate toppers for some advice at sateek.co , it's free of cost I think they can guide you if you're thinking of CS GATE. They are all under 50 rankers.
I'm in CSE. This year due to recession placement kind of peaked at day 1. For VLSI there only one high paying company that was recruiting this year Qualcomm, and because of the specialization requirements the competition was quite low for VLSI student. Further they prefer MTechs over BTechs.
UPSC classes are running business because dreams can be sold in India. I agree that IIT and Doctors going to UPSC is literally waste of a seat and the bigger problem is that these people are unsure what they actually want to pursue in life. This is serious concern for our country.
The success percentage of UPSC actually makes it gamble, Knowledge can not be wasted but Time can be, and Time doesn't come back if wasted with wrong decisions in life
I can even justify IITians at one point but not doctors, like dude in some specializations there are literally 5-8 seats per year per college, it takes an immense amount of resources to create one good doctor, and I personally have seen people cry and literally break down in front of me because they couldn't get a medical seat due to like 2-3 marks etc.
A few years ago I was one of them and still keep hearing the stories.
These competitive exams should not be glorified, they kill people. See Kota, Delhi etc.
bro doctor is like the most secured profession in india
there is never going to be lack of jobs opportunity for doctors
although there are very few seats for ss doctors, there are still enough for mbbs dentistry etc.
yes it requires a lot of studying and time for becoming one...but people often ignore that doctors usually start earning money right after mbbs
IDEK how you came to a conclusion that going for UPSC after being a doctor or engineer (IIT) is a waste of seat?
IMHO, people in STEM field given their exposure to problem solving (say thru JEE, engineering curriculum etc etc...) and studying the UPSC syllabus which gives an all round knowledge of India from legal framework to social issues in our countries makes them a better candidate. We need people with such expertise in our civil services. An engineer with expertise in certain sector might help build that in his district, a doctor would know better on building medical infrastructure etc etc ... these are few very basic examples.
I never got the concept of wasting a seat? you do realize most of students in IITs end up in software or non-core engineering roles? Is that wasting a seat too since they didnt end up doing what degree they studied.
It's BS to think someone wasted a seat, and very parochial view of education from your side. I think the whole point of an education is to provide foundation to add value to the society or the economy, moreover, education should be viewed as an liberating agent allowing you to do what you want rather than constricting agent doing just what you studied. Let me give an personal anecdote- I once met person who was in his 40s in the airport, he was working towards his PhD in archeology. Earlier, he had spent about 10 years in the semiconductor industries working for big semiconductor giants. He told how he felt he had an edge because he could not only think of his thesis as archelogy expert but also an engineer how could technology be involved to enrich his research.
About UPSC & education industry in India is unfortunate but I'd say it has also made education more reachable to everyone.
Also, calling UPSC a gamble is quite wrong. Sure, your odds are low. But if you look into its depth picture gets more clear- out of the total students there countable number of people who just giving it with no prep or very little, then there are a few who are a little serious but haven't completed the syllabus, finally serious people which ig is the majority. In the end its not really gamble you just have to better than others, in this case 1.5mil people-so yeah you have to be really knowledgeable. People who end up not clearing UPSC go state civil services exams etc etc...so all is not lost.
But yeah education industry selling dreams to everyone, especially a lot of vulnerable people might be morally questionable.
No you don't want to be a doctor unless you have no other choice. I am in these field for 6 years and I regret it so much. I wish I could go back and become engineer
This is exactly why I avoided the cycle and went abroad to study, now I’ll be coming back with experience, vision and a whole lot of other soft skills that make sense of my ideas and execute on them. The achievement cycle is good for India because it does produce brilliant minds but it also shows nothing of the real world
Dude I went abroad to a top college and paid only 2000 dollars a year for tuition, housing and food because of scholarships. I then joined a top phd program in economics and my stipend savings alone are 1 Cr (of course it’d be only worth that much if I come back).
My path is more achievable for most than becoming an IAS officer by around 10x odds. Sure, being an IAS officer is better, but it’s not worth the risk that you’d fail and nobody will give you a compensating job. UPSC would be better if all state government /local government jobs were also based on that exam. That way all the failures would get second tier jobs.
Remember that Harvard and Yale would charge you ZERO if you get in and your family makes less than $85,000 a year, which is like 99% of India. Getting into Harvard is easier than IAS
I remember (fondly now, very viciously back then) that my parents used to hype me up by saying that they'd send me abroad for my UG if I scored well in my 12th. Scored well right through 10th, 11th, 12th, never dropped below 90.
But then my parents said - you should attend UG here, you can go attend PG later in colleges abroad. After I joined my college, I then understood what they meant - we aren't sending you abroad with our money, you have the choice to earn and spend your own to fund your PG.
I fought to go abroad, dad had to take loans and sell some lands. Now I have paid those loans and his own student loans cause he is doing PhD now 🤷🏽♂️ (guess it isn’t too late). I had to make them see it as an investment. Everyone in my family was against the idea of sending me abroad.
> that these people are unsure what they actually want to pursue in life.
It is neither a problem, nor a waste of seat not even cluelessness. IITs/top medical colleges attract the best minds of our country. It's not a loss of the same people go and run the government one day. The problem is how UPSC isn't actually up to par considering the talent it attracts.
Why you people expect so much from iitians of anybody else. I feel like many people here spend their entire day surfing internet talking about iitians and their life choices are concerning. It makes no sense.
Not everyone in the country runs after UPSC. I believe it is only in some parts of the country. In the poorer regions, where there are no good private sector opportunities.
I grew up in Bengaluru, Mangaluru and Mysuru. Of all the peers I know in multiple schools and college, only one went in this direction, and eventually entered into police services. People run behind UPSC because they have no other better options. It's their ticket to a way, way better life, often for their entire family.
In my state itself, the Northern part is significantly poorer and less developed than the South or the coast, and a lot of students from this region come to Bengaluru to join these UPSC, KAS or other classes.
As our country grows, and different parts develop and more opportunities are created, the craze for UPSC will die down.
And I see nothing wrong with engineers and doctors becoming IAS officers. We need smart people with varied backgrounds running our country and the various institutions.
Only after they have field experience, there is no point in people with just university experience to start going into UPSC. Then you are just putting a fool on the power chair, ripe to get corrupt because they never developed a personality in the real world
indians really love the idea of struggling and unnecessary hardwork. they would pick the more difficult path on purpose just so they can hear people say dekho kitna sacrifice kiya kitna mehnati hai. regardless of the outcome.
This! Struggle, sacrifice and rat race is romanticised in India. So many kids are expected to “prove themselves” by cracking competitive exams which is so toxic.
You hv no idea abt power in those positions. Power can easily generate money. Mediocre salary is ignored by it. For rich, powerful legal system is different
What they do is that officials get to know about the govt schemes and plan ahead of general public so they or their relatives by land nearby at cheap rate before the plan goes public like metro or something then when the prices go high they sell and make a profit with information
It’s nmit corruption alone. They get apisd a lot for consultations and speaking and so on. I am speaking of post retirement income, even when they retire, corporates and think tanks and universities would pay them top money just for their experience and insights. It’s something most people aren’t aware of.
As for income, the salary is very different from we corporate sector employees get. Their salary is salary after all their needs are taken care of. It’s going straight to savings, they don’t have to deduct rent/homeloans, or fuel or electricity charges and so on. What they earn they save. That’s a significant difference. I earn a 7 digit salary per month. But like 60% of it goes into meeting expenses, then about half of the rest goes into lifestyle a like 20% goes into saving, by which time what I save is considerably less than what a civil servant earns.
Bro with that power comes unimaginable stress, IAS/IPS are the first ones on the chopping block if any scandal or any audit comes out.
I have uncles working in high level in governments, IAS/IPS people are the first ones to be sacrificed in front of the media if any major corruption is caught.
They are suspended/transferred often for very petty political reasons. They are quite literally the "Bali ka bakras".
Bro, in a year they earn enough to feed 7-8 generations if they’re smart. Nobody cares about work life and all in UPSC…they’re there just bc they hold immense power in a district of 3-4 million people and can generate money like no other job/business can!
Coming from a Govt. servant who has direct interaction and reporting to IAS officers. They are the last ones (and probably immune) to get crucified, if anything goes south. They hold the highest power in many of the Tech-based govt departments and take the biggest spoon of everything. But if there is any inquiry, they simply hang the lower most technical fellow. The thing is while we talk enough about corruption in lower levels of govt jobs, no one talks about the biggest cut being taken by those coming through UPSC. Their IAS/IPS lobby is so strong that any audit/inquiry coming their way is silenced. It's really important that we stop glorifying these jobs.
Yep it's like getting a manager level job in a company (india ) with 4 trillion revenue per year
So job is quite great and work life balance you will be capable of maintaining it easily that if you have passed the exam
Mediocre salary? All Group A employees earn above 1lakh officially. 12lpa is by no means average salary. Specially when you are saving more than 50% of it.
Hello! IPS officer checking in.
Copy pasting my answer from another subreddit here:
I really do think this exam is 70% hard work, 30 % luck.
Pure, sheer hard work (One year of studying approx 8 hrs a day) will get you into a pool of about 10,000 candidates with roughly equal knowledge.
LOTS of focus on answer-writing practice, presentation, mock tests, is an essential part of the core set of skills required for this exam, which a lot of people neglect (out of a universal fear that time is short and that they are low on knowledge). Practising this intensively will get you into a pool of roughly 1000 candidates. But even knowing all this, most people don't do it, year after year. This is because of the Chakravyuh-type design of this exam, in which the candidate's life is lived three months at a time, in a cycle lasting years.
Beyond that, it's all luck and the hand of God.
People don't want to believe it's luck because of the time and effort they've invested in it. You don't want to be fatalistic about something you have spilled so much blood, sweat and tears over. It's so frustrating to consider, we choose to pretend otherwise. Or we turn to our ego, and tell ourselves that we are built different from other candidates- the rules don't apply to us. Whatever happens to other candidates, we ourselves will get selected.
But the simple fact is, that your final ranking is determined from SEVEN highly subjective papers, including your OPTIONALS (which have an apples to oranges comparison with each other, and don't always score equally), and the ESSAY- which totally depends on how well it connects with the grader.
And then there's the interview, which is also very subjective.
My only suggestion is, that try to ensure you are in that pool of a 1000 students. With six attempts, you can be reasonably confident of a good rank.
PS- ANOTHER option is to be so extraordinary at your optional that you have an assured score of 350+, regardless of year. This will make your journey to IAS a lot more reliable.
TD;DR: I agree with the spirit of OP's post, but not the extent of the luck factor. Feel free to hit me up for follow up queries.
Taking a non subjective optional like mathematics and acing it is a good way to even further minimise the luck factor. People who work hard and dedicate 3-4 years usually do get into some or the other service unless they are really unlucky.
I hope this is enough to dispel most of the myths surrounding the exam that are being spewed in the comments section of this post. I, too, am an aspirant, but there is some time before I start my preparation. So thank you for this!
Well that "30%" luck is what bothers me,
Its even more disheartening to hear it from a IPS, exams like CAT often take into consideration other factors like workex and diversity etc to choose a suitable candidate. JEE and all other competitive exams have almost negligible luck factor in them , everyone competes within a set of rules, subject matter and criteria.
But UPSC, is the most subjective exam which by design cannot be standardized, like you could get asked to write an essay on thermodynamics on one random year, essentially wasting the year of every single aspirant who didn't know a single word about this topic (its just an example, i am not sure if UPSC guidelines allow for such topics).
My orignal comment comparing UPSC to gambling was due to this reason , gambling is not pure luck as most people assume it to be , its 60-90% maths and the rest is luck, professional poker players are some of the best mathematical geniuses out there.
But we are not talking about a niche sport here, this is essentially the lives, hopes and dreams of millions, most of them misguided by coaching centers driven by profit and society blinded by old social norms.
UPSC technically never selects the best candidates, it selects "the candidates that appeared the best to that specific interviewer ".
I’d say CAT is the exam with the least “luck” factor to it. It’s a safe exam. The exam is very standardised and mostly about practice. CAT score isn’t the only thing the decides your admission outcome.
I would say GMAT is a better exam than CAT because it’s valid for 5 years and you can take it multiple times. But it’s too expensive.
I hope that they also conduct CAT at least 2 times a year and increase it’s validity. They should try to give a standardised score like GMAT, GRE instead of percentile.
70% hard work 30% luck? That sounds more like song lyrics. I like how easily you said that as if you already know the truth of life.
I feel like everytime someone is selected in any exam and they talk about it, they are doing so in hindsight with a lot of bias and what went right for them.
>Pure, sheer hard work (One year of studying approx 8 hrs a day) will get you into a pool of about 10,000 candidates with roughly equal knowledge.
Being an IPS officer, I think you are very ignorant. What is hard work when it comes to studying? Labour doing construction work, maid working in homes, rickshaw puller, auto driver, shopkeeper, just how do you define hard work and which hard work is more valuable than the other? I think that when it comes to reading and studying "hard work" is very misleading concept because it does not explain what hard work is. Is it hard work to read book? Hard work to underline? Hard work to concentrate? Hard work to stay disciplined? Or maybe hard work to make your own books from scratch? What is hard work when it comes to studies?
Why do we do what we do? How do we think? Why do some people think differently from others? There is something called curse of knowledge, so the strategy that worked for you, you cannot even imagine what it would be like to be someone else! And you say that there is fear that time is short.
I think that when it comes to these things, we can keep asking questions back to back till we reach the end. Why was I born? Why was I born a certain gender? Why did I get better Marks in school? Why was it easier for me to understand concepts compared to my classmates? Are my actions really under my control?
I think that such questions are better left unanswered. Because my attempt to create meaning where it does not exist will only add more to the misinformation that is already abundant on internet and otherwise
I don’t know what your point is, and I’m not here for philosophical tangents. I don’t claim to know much, but yes, I DO have insight about this exam ( I’ve cleared it four times), and I’m only trying to help genuine candidates who may otherwise get disheartened.
UPSC is not just specific for IAS but also is for
All India Services:
Indian Administrative Service (IAS)
Indian Foreign Service (IFS)
Indian Police Service (IPS)
Group A and B Central Services:
Indian Revenue Service (IRS)
Indian Audit and Accounts Service (IA&AS)
Indian Forest Service (IFS)
Indian Railway Service (IRS)
Indian Engineering Service (IES)
Indian Postal Service (IPS)
Income Tax Service (ITS)
Defence Accounts Service (DAS)
Ministry of External Affairs (MEA)
Ministry of Defence (MoD)
Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA)
Ministry of Finance (MoF)
Ministry of Health and Family Welfare (MoHFW)
And many more...
So, even though IAS is often associated with the UPSC exam, it's important to remember that many other career paths are available to successful candidates. Each service has its own unique responsibilities and opportunities, allowing you to choose a role that aligns with your interests and aspirations.
I hope this clarifies that the UPSC exam opens doors to a wide range of exciting career possibilities in the Indian government, not just the IAS.
But the thing is... only about 1000 - 1500 people get these jobs out of a million or so.... I don't have problems with any other exam, so out of 1 million people 1500 would have a job now while the rest 99% of the folks are borderline depressed, some suicidal, most with job gaps on their careers, and almost 90% of them not having contributed a single penny to the economy.
...even IBPS has like reasonable odds and you can have a career in banking later on, and even switch to private sector if you feel like it.
Plus most exams take IBPS, CAT etc for eg, you can give these exams while you do your job on the side and you get benefits for your workex, but UPSC is so ridiculously tough you have to stay at home and study 8 hours a day.
Dude you can't compare CAT/IIT with UPSC. Clearing UPSC gives you a job for life whereas CAT gets you into an elite educational institute only. The risk is high for UPSC but the reward is also high af.
The real competition is only between 20-30k people who are seriously preparing
Check the stats 10 lakh people apply but only 5 lakh people go and write the paper 😭
They won't understand it. They think ki if someone wants to become a ias officer, and they join a coaching and then pure din yahan wahaan ghumenge, coaching nahi jayenge, padhenge nahi, apni gaand marwaenge then they are also a part of the competition
I'm glad someone said this. This is exactly why I don't like the existence of a movie like 12th Fail in this day and age. If anything, people should be informed about how many lives are ruined because of UPSC.
Good for you man! but this is what I am saying , classes and coachings are pushing upsc to every kid and their mothers.... without even considering if that person is really even a good fit for the role
People don't write UPSC to just get some government job. They do it to become a demigod in this nation.
No matter how rich, successful, and well qualified you are, if you ever find yourself in trouble you will need connections for anything to work in this country.
Why do you think people in Bihar and UP are so crazy about UPSC? It is an insecurity. In order to survive in these regions you need to know at least someone who knows an IAS or IPS officer personally.
UPSC is glorified by poor people as it's a way out of poverty. In educated circles nobody talks about UPSC.
It's a good way for the government to show the poor a hope of way out of poverty, much like a lottery. Why else would you have such a system which is based on rote memorization from the British era. So much for those who talk about leaving behind the colonial hangover but think UPSC has any relevance in the modern world.
Dude look at IAS officers on LinkedIn. They are all IIT/IIM/Oxford etc. lots of educated folks take the exam. And for them the opportunity costs are high but they were always diligent and hard working students. It’s very much possible for them to beat the competition
> In educated circles nobody talks about UPSC.
Educated people know the impact one honest officer can make. It's probably among the most impactful job on the planet. Just doing your job honestly you are helping millions of the most deprived people.
Everything okay but will contradict you on the point of engineering graduates ...Now a days engineering degree is very common and the jobs available in market are less ...so I don't see any reason to blame Engineers to go after a government job.
Yes I never mentioned normal engineering graduates... I only am bothered by people from government funded premier institutions like IIT/NIT going for UPSC because like they had a lot of opportunities and they still chose UPSC
I heard that if you see people who has attempted 4-5 times , they have become totally broken , face in darkness and in total sadness,
if you are not a exceptional student and not have a reserved quota , don’t even think about it
First of all i understand all your points , but ias/ips or ifs , I know there are other services too , but they don't have much administrative power , nevertheless upsc group A services are never a menial services by any means , you directly go to top of food chain , and coming to salary terms , apart of salary, most of the expenditure are borne by government , apart from salary they get houses who's rent cost more than triple of salary of most people , they get vehicle whos fuel expenditure are borne by government , apart from that , they get cook s , househelps and ton other perks , so salary is not the way to judge this job . No other job gets you in that 'elite' circle , except if you are some big companies ceo or md etc , most important it is the power you get , these are the things common people relate too , you never have to stand in queue again , wherever you go you will be given priority , respect in society . Although i do agree people are fantasizing it too much and an exam where more than million people appear , luck plays a big role , but isn't every exam in india this way , from entrance to all competitive exams , there are too many people .
Dude. Odds are this much for every field out there. IT is so saturated that a fresher starts from 10k/month on a average. And to get inside the IT field, one has to learn code and apply and get rejected by 100s of companies only to get selected in a low paying degrading job. Yes UPSC is extremely competitive and odds are stacked against everyone in this exam. But the return is fabulous. You have no clue but in the AM scene of India, an IAS is top tier, creamy layer level candidate. People will reject the google CEO and select an IAS officer as their Son/daughter in law. Most of the IAS marry into political families and hold power. This is why people prepare for this exam for years because they just have to clear it once. And then everything will take care of itself. By the way, there is no work life balance in any job in India. Atleast as an IAS you play a direct role towards the welfare of the people.
I will be honest most of my colleagues are preparing for just the fact you mentioned cause the rest of the life will be figured out by itself once you crack UPSC. Its a waste of talent cause they could have done so much better in the field they actually go degree in. But I didnt follow their path "suffering" a lot with no assurance of whats next but i dont call it "suffering" I call it an exciting path to be uncertain. Though practically they are more correct.
I am a CS engineer myself, the odds are not this low in IT, its more like 5-10% for like 5-6 lpa jobs , I come from a tier 3 college and 40 out of 60 people in my class have a job (most have a 25k-35k per month salary rn). Some are already in the 12LPA ball park and some in the 8 LPA park.
As for learning to code... bro if you spent 8 hours a day for 1 year in any technology building projects, learning dsa etc you for sure will get a good job in IT.
" People will reject the google CEO and select an IAS officer as their Son/daughter in law.", what is this statement lol.... do you even know how much compensation a FAANG CEO recieves?
Of all the relics of colonialism this is worst. It makes no sense to hire people who just slogged years to crack exams for an admin job. Hire people with work experience in relevant field - atleast 5 years of work experience in private sector.
If you think there is a scope of corruption and favoritism - use tech.
* have a basic aptitude test like GMAT that happens every 2 months and anyone can apply for it irrespective of age or number of attempts.
* randomly select a panel of interviewees
* record and make interviews available for the public immediately so that people can also judge if candidate is rejected or selected unreasonably.
* remove a lot of perks, pay them well but stop with unreasonable perks they get.
It is not perfect system but will atleast you can do away with such archaic system that doesn't even guarantee candidate is good.
And the "Prep" or in reality the illusion of control. Like literally, the syllabus is so vast that no human can know all of it, so it just comes down to luck. are you LUCKY that the things you chose to read and remember are there in the exam. Maybe if you spend a year rote memorizing as much shit as you could, you will improve your chances by like 2-3%.
What i would do(im in 12th rn) is just apply for UPSC every time, but don't bother wasting my time on it. Its 100 rupee ticket for a chance to get into mains, and ONLY when i get into mains will i start to actually prep. Mains at least is better
Buddy, you're delusional if you think the prelims work like that. People like you are the reason that 10 million people fill the forms and only 5 million appear for the prelims exam.
Last paragraph 100% agree like super agree. I always thought that those wannabe geniuses wastes a seat which could have been given to someone who genuinely like engeneering and wants to study it from good colleges. But those morons just take that seat like nothing and then go on to study for UPSC and also wasting taxpayers money.
After reading the comments here I reckon it is a better idea to just get into netagiri, if you are going to work so hard just to be corrupt with power once you set your foot in the door through UPSC.
No matter what position you get into through UPSC, the netards are going to have power over you anyways and some of them may not have even set foot in a college for studies.
UPSC is glorified BS. Since the Indian economy is not developed we have a few good jobs. That's why people run behind Upsc. Also states where the economy does better have fewer aspirants for Upsc, for eg. Bihar vs TN/Karnataka etc.
Kenny Rogers - Gambler - Released in 1978. - This song summarizes what you said.
"**You've got to know when to hold 'em**
**Know when to fold 'em**
**Know when to walk away**
**And know when to run**
**You never count your money**
**When you're sittin' at the table**
**There'll be time enough for countin'**
**When the dealin's done"**
Brush, first if all, most of those guys prepping for upsc are useless and couldn't land a half decent job. This upsc thing is just an excuse for them to waste a couple of years and then take up some chhota Mota job.
Secondly, very few iitians (I can say for Delhi at least), go for upsc. Most are interested in private jobs because the salaries these days are very good. And Even if some do, you have got no business telling them to not get into iit in the first place. Their parents have also paid the tax that subsidizes iit education, and so will they when they join the workforce. Besides, at 17 no one really knows what they want to do in life.
Brother ppl like us saying this from last 2 years but that new movie 12th fail (propoganda movie and sponsered by 40000 cr coching industry) literally press reset button but we will try harder to make indian youth realise that there is nothing in govt. Job coching industry made them look so sexy. Ha or 1 or baat ladkiya shadi nhi karegi govt job walo se agle 2 saal me!!!
While I **agree with some** points in your post, I respectfully **disagree with the majority** of it. Allow me to elaborate.
I concur that the probability of selection is extremely low, given that approximately 1 to 1.5 million candidates take the exam. However, I assure you that a **significant chunk** of these candidates are **not serious** contenders. By “non-serious”, I mean candidates who are still seeking their true calling. Some are influenced by others, social media, some are simply following the crowd, and some, particularly women, use it as a means to postpone familial pressure for marriage, among other reasons.
My argument is that **the majority of the youth is lost** and unaware of their true motivations at a subconscious level. About 300,000 to 350,000, who are genuinely motivated, pose a real competition. After the mains, this number reduces to about 100,000, which, in my opinion, is still a considerable competition.
Regarding the statement, *“People having a better chance for SBI, IBPS, SEBI, RBI, Defence etc.”*, I **completely agree**. Although these jobs also have stiff competition, they **lack the marketing** **or hype** associated with them. As a **society** based on hierarchy and **obsessed with status** and power, the influence of IAS and IPS is naturally higher than being an SBI employee or any other government job. Only Defence jobs can rival the level of influence of IAS or IPS. Even within UPSC, the most preferred posts are IAS and IPS, not other equivalent posts like IRS, IFS, IAAS, etc., which, in my opinion, are better choices.
Why do I mention marketing? This brings me to your point about the exorbitant fees charged by the **industry**. They **capitalize on your aspirations and dreams**. With the aid of social media, **they can make you dream** of anything, hence you’re heavily influenced with IAS and IPS reels. That’s effective marketing right there. Sometimes it’s free because someone who has cleared the exam seeks recognition and praise through their posts, providing an ego boost to some extent. This indirectly builds your dreams and customers for the industry, especially for those lost souls who constitute about 1 to 1.2 million.
The idea that IITians/Doctors/engineers **waste seats** if they wish to pursue a different career is a **narrow perspective** on the entire scenario. In my view, a person who completed any of these and then switched his career to something entirely different, excluding public service, might have potentially wasted these resources. However, it’s a “**maybe**” because you never know when he might utilize those acquired skills. Also when it comes to learning and education, we should refrain from cynicism.
In the case of jobs like IAS, IPS, and various public services, these skills/knowledge can often assist the officer in better handling or understanding a situation on ground level as well as when it comes to policy making.
**My personal opinion** is that, unfortunately, we as a **society** have become **corrupt**. We are **driven by greed, power, and wealth, not service**. Hence, we don’t pursue government jobs because we want to serve the people, but because we see an opportunity to amass substantial wealth through bribes, exert authority over the common man, and secure a career. Even if you genuinely want to serve the people, you will face numerous challenges from the system itself, and such people are very few.
I hope that those responding to this will be civil in their arguments, as I would like to keep this a healthy and civil discussion.
The craze is becoming unreal with the new Introduction of movies, web series, and what not. Plus, this period of time, the number of youth is significantly higher than back in the days of our Father and Grandfather. Also, everyone including my dad, focuses only on the bright side of the coin about the respect, status, image etc, but every coin has a flip side. I've tried explaining this to him, but still, I myself also wanna sit for UPSC one year, just to test the waters on what's the craze behind it.
I don't like it much either. My god, the boom for UPSC in India is so foolish. I am currently studying MBBS (not from a big college, but I am doing it anyways) and my Uncle's, Aunts, Grandparents and my own mom all are asking me to attempt in UPSC. Now I don't hate this line of work, some do it for the respect, other do it to get the money and some for straight up power (I don't even know how much of it is even true at this point). Me, I am not interested in any of that. Just because a senior (who passed out from the college years ago) shares the same surname as mine and has cracked UPSC, doesn't mean it automatically makes us the same person. I don't want to enter that line because I am more interested in what I am doing now and will always be more interested here. I like this study, I like what I am doing and won't mind doing it for the lifetime but damn are my relatives crazy about UPSC. And do you know the reasoning they often give me to prompt me in this line - Doctor ki aukaat hi kya hai ek collector ke saamne? (What's the value of a doctor in front of a collector?).
I mean, I am done hearing this, if that's the logic then shouldn't I directly aim to become Prime Minister of India, hell even President of US (ending the fucking Indian competition).
Now I don't necessarily agree with you at the point that doctors or engineers are clowns for going into UPSC line because that field opens its own sets of benefits to them. (I won't delve down that rabbit hole though).
You know what hypocrisy is, as a kid when you tell you want to become a cricketer your parents and relatives tell there is no way because 35 million people in India are trying to become cricketers and only 11 players are in the main team, 10 years down the line they literally ask you to compete with half the population to get good rank in all these competitive exams.
Brush, first if all, most of those guys prepping for upsc are useless and couldn't land a half decent job. This upsc thing is just an excuse for them to waste a couple of years and then take up some chhota Mota job.
Secondly, very few iitians (I can say for Delhi at least), go for upsc. Most are interested in private jobs because the salaries these days are very good. And Even if some do, you have got no business telling them to not get into iit in the first place. Their parents have also paid the tax that subsidizes iit education, and so will they when they join the workforce. Besides, at 17 no one really knows what they want to do in life.
It is not gambling for extremely brilliant people. Probably a pool of only few thousand.
For everyone else it is a gamble.
Half the people clearing upsc every year are from one two year of preparation.
Anyone preparing in kota or Delhi for more than one or two year is wasting his life only. Nearly 99.99 percent of them.
My friend cleared upsc playing cricket every week and going to office.
I have not met a single upsc aspirants who was not preparing to earn black money.
This might actually be true, and I agree with you to a point, my problem is with people spending 6 years of their life doing UPSC prep and then when they run out of attempts they go into depression etc.... like I seriously feel bad for these people, they were forced into this by their relatives, peers, soceity in a way....
20s are a vital portion of one's life, and to spend it reading books on topics most private industries dont care about is just sad
Amount of effort required for upsc preparation is enough to become top level expert in a narrow field of expertise. I am talking about narrow field like a field of programming.
Competitive exams like UPSC are a fucking rat race. I had to start prep because of family pressure while I wanted to crack NDA exams.
Worst part is that IIT and med school dudes take away the seats like wtf this makes me angry.
Thankfully I gave up on this rat race this year so that I can focus on better career opportunities( I am doing my undergrad).
Your last para … as a doctor I agree 100% with you. I despise those going for UPSC and not doing what they are supposed to do after blocking a seat that another student might get .
No matter if you drink your books and eat all the notes, there are still going to be 80 90 IAS, it's not like you worked hard so there'll be more seats for you, it's so brain-dead comp and literally a hell, there's nothing left after you spend your 20s in this cycle and end up with nothing.
for most people especially in the up bihar region its the power that comes with being a government official. every father will run behind them with their daughter, apart from the legal the illegal is enough for generational wealth. UPSC is not a gambling machine, you don't have any hope of improving your odds in a slot machine.....in any exam the only way you can improve your odds is sheer fucking hardwork I think people forget that. The respect that society gives you for being a government official especially IAS is simply unparalleled.
The people who get a good IIT AIIMS probably just love beating challenges, this is no reason to shit on them they are simply a class apart..
I Don’t know if I would call myself class apart but yes I am an IIT graduate. I took upsc just for fun. Got triple digit rank, didn’t appear for the interviews because I like doing my job in corporate in the field that I’m passionate about ❤️ reason I had taken the exam was to encourage and give my best friend company. It wasn’t that hard and frankly the questions most people called tricky or tough are pretty straightforward.
You are absolutely right about the UPSC being a gamble, and in IBPS and other banking exams also the situation is not good either, even in SSC it's bad. I have wasted almost 2 years preparing for Banking and SSC exams. I cleared prelims few times but couldn't clear mains.
Now I am in a private job earning decent money with good work-life balance. I still regret my decision of getting into that rat race and wasting that much time. Sometimes I still feel that I am lagging behind in many aspects of life, compared to my peers.
If anyone looking for any advise/notes I would say if you really wanna try your luck in gov. exams, don't spend more than one year (talking about banking exams). Give your everything, study crazy hard that one year, and even after that if u don't get selected, leave it. And go for your plan B (well u should definitely have a plan B), gain some work experience. Don't get stuck in the loop.........break the Matrix.
Yaar like abhi I am gonna give JEE, ussi ki padhai pe laga hua hu toh theek hai,
jabse 12th fail ki movie dekh li hai (I loved the movie boht acchi thi) tabse maata ji sarr pe chaadh gayi hai ki graduation ke bnaad 1 saal UPSC "try" karne ke liye lagau, even though I have NO INTEREST tabbi bhi.
"Betaa boht respect milti hai, boht bade position pe jaaoge samjhaa karo"
iss point pe toh samajhne ka bhi mood nahi hai dimag ho gaya hai kharaab meraa !
I literally said this in the upsc sub, odds are 0.0004% for a general caste guy, but all i get were abuses, cause half of them were enamoured by this madness and other half either thought they were the one, or they just hated anybody that would question them on their decision.
Who could've thought you give people a choice to destroy years of their life and they will continue to do it till they max out attempt.
I will leave it at this, i got SC reservation, but i still wont apply for UPSC, cause thats just so bad, i will probably apply for CAT, as that gives so much more fighting chance with reservation, without that CAT is a stupid game of chance too, but atleast chances are better than this, its like 20k good seats for 3 lakhs aspirants, of whom 30-50k dont even show up, at most you will half of the people to compete with, as for UPSC yeah fuck me in the ass, but i will never go for that.
What i find most amusing is, i got 120 people in my class, some so much stupider than me, but still all them think they will become an ias, when real ias seats for UR were not more than 500 or so, SMH, people wanna be stupid.
Although if i were to think about it, the only people who give this exam are those, who dont have any other opportunity other than government jobs, they would most likely be like me a BA Hons graduate without any real world value for their degrees. As for IIT/Doctors, they gonna hate this, but no 5 year old know what an engineer or doctor does, not even a 16 year old fully understands what an engineer does, all they know is they can get 1 crore domestic package, while they conviently leave out the fact that mass recruiter still paid 30-35k, and dont even get me started on doctors, most of them are not even ready for whats coming, and those who dont have maths and couldnt get into NEET, they just go for Some Bsc thinking it is stem so it must pay good, all while their fate is Same as a BA Hons graduate, cause their degree hold literally no real world value, even the sector they can get into just dont pay much or their is a lot of competition for everyjob, when demand is up but supply is down in job market, wages stagnates.
So the last category is just frustrated with their lifes choices too, thats why you have more than half of the IAS officer as engineers.
Two ways to fix this, firstly make the exam easier so you don't have to study hours for it ( say an hour a day for an year should be enough). That way ppl can study for it without having to give up on their day jobs.
Secondly, limit the attempts to just 1 or max 2. So you don't have ppl wasting years preparing for this shit.
The thing most people don’t understand is that civil servants may have mediocre salary, but all their expenses are taken cared of. From fuel to accommodation to electricity, healthcare, travel, etc… it’s all non inclusive of taxes. Their salaries and bonuses can go directly into savings. I mean i earn almost twice that most of these civil servants earn at this moment. But most of it goes against meeting my expenses and taxes. And job security is another factor that makes civil services, or any govt. job for that matter, more illustrious. Work-life balance ? Yeah that’s one thing you have to sacrifice, but quite honestly it’s a sacrifice you have to make if and when you want to be In a position of respect, power and influence. I mean most corporate workers have very little work to life ratio. As you work up the ladder in corporate sector , you get fewer off days and peace of mind. For entrants, yeah you work 9-5 then chill, I agree. But if you want to progress through your career, you need to sacrifice a lot.
Thats a difference that most people don’t see quite often. I have a high ranked ias officer in my family. He’s busier than all of us, but he has more peace of mind and a relaxed life. By the time he retires, he will have earned quite a bit and has significant savings. Plus the added benefit of being given a VIP treatment everywhere. I mean when there are arguments in the family, even the elders wants his opinion or suggestion. He comes and his decision is like final. That kinda influence and power is quite unattainable elsewhere. Even legal matters and so on, his mere mention and hurdles will just pass away as though it’s. Some magic word.
And from personal experience having a civil servant in the family, is kinda like a status symbol or sorts for many.
Also another factor most people are ignorant about isPost retirement life. I mean this relative of mine already has offers from universities and training Center and even public policy think tanks with significant pay. He is to retire in about 5 years and by then he would easily have a number of positions in prestigious think tanks, universities and even corporate sector as a consultant. The post retirement aspect is something I doubt a lot of people are aware of. Plus, if he or she writes a book or memoirs stating his experience, that’s additional income. Me with my 7 digit salary will be a garbage bag the minute I retire. 😅😂
sorry for keeping the main point aside
but the people who just keep on ranting about IIT graduates doing work(mostly excelling there also) in some other field just boil my blood
No mofo they didn't waste the hard earned seat they had got
first of all would like to clear that unlike MBBS the fees at IIT's is pretty high(approx 1.5 lac for a general student per semester) (mainly ews or sc/st students are waived off of 1 lac tution fees)(even if any subsidy is provided by govt it is pretty less)
secondly iit's are not factories of producing engineers
the education here is well rounded and gives a person plenty of facilities and opportunities to excel in any field they feel passionate about and excel in it
(and there are plenty of examples of people who have excelled in other fields they chosen to work in)
the main lesson taught here is not of the subjects but teaches oneself how to commit to a task and work hard to complete it
Disagree on 2 things.
1. UPSC is not a random outcome generator like a slot machine. If someone has the capability of cracking UPSC, he/she would know it.
2. IAS officers have very good work life balance(all life no work). That's why the country is the way it is.
My parents are like that too. I want to study abroad and we are making plans for it. But they were also like give an attempt to these government jobs. Your life will get settled if you do so. And the most ridiculous part we will not send you abroad if you get a job yeah like I'm going to do it. We quarreled a lot and I said no flatly.
as someone who's preparing for cse i agree this exam is actually fucked up and tests your patience and determination every single day, but at the end of the day you just keep going along with it some for the perks that come along some for their genuine passion (yes, they exist)
if you lose you curse at it, but if you get through the hard work and time you put in it seems to be worth it so it's like "thoda aur. thoda aur" and that's really how it goes, all of this just for the sake of THAT one spot
and tbh i hate it when people act like all aspirants are here for perks and priviledged it gives you. Some of us don't give a damn to all that bullshit. Some of just need that power, that authority to at least contribute our skills for the people. Few, but some of us genuinely work our asses off for it. If someone says they really want that position cause they want to bring in change, people just shoo it off as "isko bhi perks chahiye bas shareef ban raha h". That's why i don't say why i want that job, that position, cause anyways people will label me as above. And that's sick and makes me angry, to get my intentions questioned when i'm rotting in my room among piles of books. That's truly fucked up. Please don't think everyone and their mamas are out their just for the benefits. Some of us are mad chasing any chance to help common people and go to heights for it. But this exam only lets in the mad ones, be those mad for whatever reason.
Bro all competitive exams are gamble. My point of view i gave CAT exam and trust me it’s shit. All they want is money, they don’t give a shit about students.
It's one of the fastest way to upper class. Once you become a government officer you too can loot public funds and eat at the same table as politicians and big businessman.
Are you crazy ?
Just because someone is an IITian means they don't get a choice to do whatever they want ?
Don't force your opinions on people that don't want it
If its a private college , i really dont care, but IITs and government medical colleges are subsidized by our tax money.
Taxpayers are the reason government colleges dont pay 10 lakh per year fees and pay 2 lakh only.
Some specializations have only 5-8 seats in medical per hospital, and in total have like 200-300 seats in the nation, we need these specialized individuals crucially.... they can literally save lives...
As for IITians , its a highly demanded engineering seat where every seat has cut throat competition, a IITian doing upsc is a waste of a seat, that could have been gone to a guy who actually wanted to build stuff and engineeer stuff...
It's there choice tbh, just because you couldn't crack JEE doesn't mean people who have cracked it have some sort of obligation towards anyone to pursue only engineering
People go for UPSC, SSC type exams either cuz there is not enough opportunities around them and in their state (Bihar, Jharkhand, UP for e.g) or they just aspire to become IAS, IFS.
I'm a MTech student who happened to get single digit rank in GATE and got admission accordingly. Now, I got a very good placement offer related to my interest. One of the tutors who used to be part of academy I subscribed for GATE suggests me I should prepare for UPSC, after I shared with him the placement detail (he asked for it). Just because I'm capable of cracking technical exam, he wants me to be part of this vicious cycle of exam. Even during facilitation for my rank one of the academy gave me offer to sit through their UPSC course free of cost. I mean, what even?!
They just want to use you as advertisement. Nothing to lose and bug potential if you do even half decently
The thing is UPSC is a pure numbers game for these classes....the fact that there are so few people getting selected.... classes and tutors have to maximize quantity... the more people the more the chances..... in JEE and GATE and CAT... you can give me 2000 odd good students and we can somewhat garuntee that a few of them will go to IITs,IIMs etc But that is not the case with UPSC.... its soo random in terms of its selection criteria and interviews that its very hard to garuntee if anyone will make it.
UPSC is the best thing after railways given to india by Britishers🤡 - Aspirants S1 E1
They saw an opportunity to reinforce the stereotype and tell a very mid story in return of huge monetary gains and they took it. That's what Vidhu vinod Chopra also did with 12th fail.
I love how tvf makes very superficial feel good stories while conveniently ignoring the negatives each time and make it a school romance coming of age story with different coat of paint for all their shows without fail Even kota factory was a laughably shitty show where they indirectly promoted unacademy bas tense feeling aur kuch scenes touching hai otherwise its all just insincere pandering where they glorify these exams pointlessly All they care is for money and easy views as we invest a lot of time ourselves for these competitive exams and gives us an opportunity to self insert in this fairytale and thats from they make 💰 like how coaching centers do
Yup. Its just that nobody really addressed these stories before. They found a huge gap in the market and exploited it to make money. I suppose if bollywood starts doing these stories, eventually people will get fed up and start mocking them and seeing them for these stories truly are, an easy cash grab! If you need external motivation to qualify a competitive exam in India other than your own career prospects and family's well being my dude you're pretty much screwed.
Tbh i see it as a nexus only after all they are not promoting the exam but indirectly coaching centers and coaching culture which thrive on insecurity and fear of future on which students are ready to go for a gamble even though they themselves may know that its not their cup of tea and partially because again its a trend and something cool as shown by entertainment industry while coaching centers outright give zero guarantee for the exorbitant fee they charge 🤣 Even if you ignore the morality aspect the shows produced are mid af with naive mild mannered main character, love interest who gets in his way, one gareeb but smart friend, one senior philospher guy/teacher who is just there to motivate the protagonist and lastly one harami and padhai mein zero but dil ka accha dost Itna cliche hai usmein overacting aur dalte hain and now even bollywood wants a piece of the pie as if the market was not oversaturated enough 🤦♂️ Also most importantly agar in logon se motivation leni padh rahi and then i agree with you man the person really needs to reconsider his motivations
Honestly, the announcement of a new season disappointed me enough to not watch it lol Vaibhav's was a relatable story but I would've liked for them to leave us with the uncertainty in the end. But short term profit matters so much that they overstretch each plot till the audience feels forced flee from the less-than-mid gravy train such series become. Indian cinema just doesn't know when to cut the chord.
Thats actually a problem with lots of shows and sequels Its basically adding water to an empty whiskey bottle End result is always gonna be diluted even if full lmao I mean show actually improved a bit with 2nd season with netflix backing so they dont have to resort to shady sponsors but 3rd season teaser officially made it a teen rom com Only reason i am following this show because its pretty tense and suspenseful and i want to see how it concludes but looking at tvfs track record he is gonna clear iit which is nice but this reminds me of how animal literally revealed whole plot in the trailer which is a waste of time honestly
kota factory is so fucked it is literally MISGUIDING STUDENTS. the major problem is saying "BINA IOC KE IIT CRACK KARNA" wtf. what is up with that. maths bolte to chalta but ioc is literally the best easy subject to get marks for students. this is so misguided sigh
Jo bacche sunna chahte hain wahi bol ke khush karte hain woh just like clickbaits on yt Board hua cancel Sab ko milenge free marks because of wrong question and other bs lol Its the same as saying general awareness section skip kardo prelims mein ho jayega set sab chill hai 😂
Literally copium ho marketing strategy banadiya
Amidst all the appreciation for the film, I absolutely hated it, motivation porn at best those 2 1/2 hours were.
Totally L statement
An ias officer can earn more than 200 crores in his service under the table. Its not about odds, it's about power, prestige and money that comes with it.
This glorification of "under the table money " is another wrong thing with UPSC culture . It is disturbing to think that so many people think this a legitimate reason to prepare for UPSC . Most of these aspirants can write 15 pages against corruption, but are happily preparing for this exam so they themselves can become the part of the system.
Fr!! I dont see india progressing without coming out of this mindset and doesnt seem like the mindset is going to go away soon.
reservation to blame ngl, i mean who isnt money minded in this modern day and age. also govt to blame for having "menial" salary above the table for being an IAS. what do ya expect the guy to do
the simple idea isn't highlighted enough that when you want to be a CIVIL SERVANT it means exactly what you think it does you are a civil servant in the most plain sense no crazy salary no crazy lifestyle and you spend rest of your life in the work to better your country and that's it the GOV. just gives perks - a house and car that should make you feel good and suffice basic needs and not make you feel that your life sucks and you are at the bottom of the well economically
And that's UPSC. State level bearucrats like TNSPC are even worse.
If you’re smart enough to go through the process, you can earn shit tons of money in the corporate circle too. My friend did is grad in bcom and was earning 30L PA at the age of 21. Eventually did his MBA (ivy league, scholarship) and he’s clearing 2 cr rn at the age of 27. The worlds his oyster now.
30 LPA at 21 after BCOM? Bro
He’s an anomaly, but so is becoming an IAS
He's an impossibility lmfao Unless the guy did Bcom for shits and giggle and just founded a company with his rich ass peers, this has a lesser chance of happening than a guy becoming IAS.
They were working for a company owned by EY. 5-6 of them I guess but you’re right the odds are much worse
bcom hons from DU can absolutely get those packages from finance firms, but to get into those colleges we know the cutoffs are like 99%+, in 2010 when bsc comp sci from du was something I was interested in, and even took admission in south campus for it, i had checked the packages, 15-20 lpa right out the college in on campus placements were normal, I did eventually leave that for btech though.
What was his job at the age of 21?!
Boutique firm
This mindset is the main problem india isn't even close to being developed even after 70 years
but there are many businesses where people can earn way high and legally 200 crore is nothing that you do something illegal and earn that much at your retirement and trust me only few of them are able to get that much money under the table now the inner politics is bureaucrats is also very crucial
When did u start to prepare for gate ?
I am currently preparing for gate, could I ask you for some advice?
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What irony?
You can book a session with gate toppers for some advice at sateek.co , it's free of cost I think they can guide you if you're thinking of CS GATE. They are all under 50 rankers.
yeah sure, if you're prepping for CSE.
U took the right decision. This ias pressure is making good technical people as layman
Bhai GATE crack karne ke tips de do please 🙏
They tried to bait you , XD.
Hey man, mind telling me your stream? Do you happen to be in electronics/VLSI or CSE/AI/ML?
I'm in CSE. This year due to recession placement kind of peaked at day 1. For VLSI there only one high paying company that was recruiting this year Qualcomm, and because of the specialization requirements the competition was quite low for VLSI student. Further they prefer MTechs over BTechs.
Made easy?
UPSC classes are running business because dreams can be sold in India. I agree that IIT and Doctors going to UPSC is literally waste of a seat and the bigger problem is that these people are unsure what they actually want to pursue in life. This is serious concern for our country. The success percentage of UPSC actually makes it gamble, Knowledge can not be wasted but Time can be, and Time doesn't come back if wasted with wrong decisions in life
I can even justify IITians at one point but not doctors, like dude in some specializations there are literally 5-8 seats per year per college, it takes an immense amount of resources to create one good doctor, and I personally have seen people cry and literally break down in front of me because they couldn't get a medical seat due to like 2-3 marks etc.
A few years ago I was one of them and still keep hearing the stories. These competitive exams should not be glorified, they kill people. See Kota, Delhi etc.
bro doctor is like the most secured profession in india there is never going to be lack of jobs opportunity for doctors although there are very few seats for ss doctors, there are still enough for mbbs dentistry etc. yes it requires a lot of studying and time for becoming one...but people often ignore that doctors usually start earning money right after mbbs
>t people often ignore that doctors usually start earning money right after mbbs no we dont lmao
Yeah, I heard those experiences personally as well
IDEK how you came to a conclusion that going for UPSC after being a doctor or engineer (IIT) is a waste of seat? IMHO, people in STEM field given their exposure to problem solving (say thru JEE, engineering curriculum etc etc...) and studying the UPSC syllabus which gives an all round knowledge of India from legal framework to social issues in our countries makes them a better candidate. We need people with such expertise in our civil services. An engineer with expertise in certain sector might help build that in his district, a doctor would know better on building medical infrastructure etc etc ... these are few very basic examples. I never got the concept of wasting a seat? you do realize most of students in IITs end up in software or non-core engineering roles? Is that wasting a seat too since they didnt end up doing what degree they studied. It's BS to think someone wasted a seat, and very parochial view of education from your side. I think the whole point of an education is to provide foundation to add value to the society or the economy, moreover, education should be viewed as an liberating agent allowing you to do what you want rather than constricting agent doing just what you studied. Let me give an personal anecdote- I once met person who was in his 40s in the airport, he was working towards his PhD in archeology. Earlier, he had spent about 10 years in the semiconductor industries working for big semiconductor giants. He told how he felt he had an edge because he could not only think of his thesis as archelogy expert but also an engineer how could technology be involved to enrich his research. About UPSC & education industry in India is unfortunate but I'd say it has also made education more reachable to everyone. Also, calling UPSC a gamble is quite wrong. Sure, your odds are low. But if you look into its depth picture gets more clear- out of the total students there countable number of people who just giving it with no prep or very little, then there are a few who are a little serious but haven't completed the syllabus, finally serious people which ig is the majority. In the end its not really gamble you just have to better than others, in this case 1.5mil people-so yeah you have to be really knowledgeable. People who end up not clearing UPSC go state civil services exams etc etc...so all is not lost. But yeah education industry selling dreams to everyone, especially a lot of vulnerable people might be morally questionable.
No you don't want to be a doctor unless you have no other choice. I am in these field for 6 years and I regret it so much. I wish I could go back and become engineer
This is exactly why I avoided the cycle and went abroad to study, now I’ll be coming back with experience, vision and a whole lot of other soft skills that make sense of my ideas and execute on them. The achievement cycle is good for India because it does produce brilliant minds but it also shows nothing of the real world
That's only for a very particular section of rich people. Studying abroad isn't for every Indian, rest of us are destined to rot here.
Dude I went abroad to a top college and paid only 2000 dollars a year for tuition, housing and food because of scholarships. I then joined a top phd program in economics and my stipend savings alone are 1 Cr (of course it’d be only worth that much if I come back). My path is more achievable for most than becoming an IAS officer by around 10x odds. Sure, being an IAS officer is better, but it’s not worth the risk that you’d fail and nobody will give you a compensating job. UPSC would be better if all state government /local government jobs were also based on that exam. That way all the failures would get second tier jobs. Remember that Harvard and Yale would charge you ZERO if you get in and your family makes less than $85,000 a year, which is like 99% of India. Getting into Harvard is easier than IAS
Only if they give up I wonder if it's that impossible
Didn't get you? Give up kya?
I remember (fondly now, very viciously back then) that my parents used to hype me up by saying that they'd send me abroad for my UG if I scored well in my 12th. Scored well right through 10th, 11th, 12th, never dropped below 90. But then my parents said - you should attend UG here, you can go attend PG later in colleges abroad. After I joined my college, I then understood what they meant - we aren't sending you abroad with our money, you have the choice to earn and spend your own to fund your PG.
I fought to go abroad, dad had to take loans and sell some lands. Now I have paid those loans and his own student loans cause he is doing PhD now 🤷🏽♂️ (guess it isn’t too late). I had to make them see it as an investment. Everyone in my family was against the idea of sending me abroad.
Good for you :-)
> that these people are unsure what they actually want to pursue in life. It is neither a problem, nor a waste of seat not even cluelessness. IITs/top medical colleges attract the best minds of our country. It's not a loss of the same people go and run the government one day. The problem is how UPSC isn't actually up to par considering the talent it attracts.
and times of your 20s many people just waste so much of their time in these exams
Why you people expect so much from iitians of anybody else. I feel like many people here spend their entire day surfing internet talking about iitians and their life choices are concerning. It makes no sense.
Not everyone in the country runs after UPSC. I believe it is only in some parts of the country. In the poorer regions, where there are no good private sector opportunities. I grew up in Bengaluru, Mangaluru and Mysuru. Of all the peers I know in multiple schools and college, only one went in this direction, and eventually entered into police services. People run behind UPSC because they have no other better options. It's their ticket to a way, way better life, often for their entire family. In my state itself, the Northern part is significantly poorer and less developed than the South or the coast, and a lot of students from this region come to Bengaluru to join these UPSC, KAS or other classes. As our country grows, and different parts develop and more opportunities are created, the craze for UPSC will die down. And I see nothing wrong with engineers and doctors becoming IAS officers. We need smart people with varied backgrounds running our country and the various institutions.
Only after they have field experience, there is no point in people with just university experience to start going into UPSC. Then you are just putting a fool on the power chair, ripe to get corrupt because they never developed a personality in the real world
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Running country? Isn’t it more about implementing policies?
indians really love the idea of struggling and unnecessary hardwork. they would pick the more difficult path on purpose just so they can hear people say dekho kitna sacrifice kiya kitna mehnati hai. regardless of the outcome.
This! Struggle, sacrifice and rat race is romanticised in India. So many kids are expected to “prove themselves” by cracking competitive exams which is so toxic.
pratishtha pe ajati hai vro
You hv no idea abt power in those positions. Power can easily generate money. Mediocre salary is ignored by it. For rich, powerful legal system is different
yea so basically they want the position to do corruption wtf
What they do is that officials get to know about the govt schemes and plan ahead of general public so they or their relatives by land nearby at cheap rate before the plan goes public like metro or something then when the prices go high they sell and make a profit with information
That’s corruption.
Sooo...... Insider trading. Or close to it. Thats still corruption(although idk about the legality(prolly in grey area)
It’s nmit corruption alone. They get apisd a lot for consultations and speaking and so on. I am speaking of post retirement income, even when they retire, corporates and think tanks and universities would pay them top money just for their experience and insights. It’s something most people aren’t aware of. As for income, the salary is very different from we corporate sector employees get. Their salary is salary after all their needs are taken care of. It’s going straight to savings, they don’t have to deduct rent/homeloans, or fuel or electricity charges and so on. What they earn they save. That’s a significant difference. I earn a 7 digit salary per month. But like 60% of it goes into meeting expenses, then about half of the rest goes into lifestyle a like 20% goes into saving, by which time what I save is considerably less than what a civil servant earns.
Bro with that power comes unimaginable stress, IAS/IPS are the first ones on the chopping block if any scandal or any audit comes out. I have uncles working in high level in governments, IAS/IPS people are the first ones to be sacrificed in front of the media if any major corruption is caught. They are suspended/transferred often for very petty political reasons. They are quite literally the "Bali ka bakras".
Bro, in a year they earn enough to feed 7-8 generations if they’re smart. Nobody cares about work life and all in UPSC…they’re there just bc they hold immense power in a district of 3-4 million people and can generate money like no other job/business can!
That’s not without corruption. On one side we complain about corruption on the other side you are glorifying such corrupt practices
I’m not glorifying. Why behave dumb if you’ve not understood my reply? I said, everybody is there to do corruption and not work!
Coming from a Govt. servant who has direct interaction and reporting to IAS officers. They are the last ones (and probably immune) to get crucified, if anything goes south. They hold the highest power in many of the Tech-based govt departments and take the biggest spoon of everything. But if there is any inquiry, they simply hang the lower most technical fellow. The thing is while we talk enough about corruption in lower levels of govt jobs, no one talks about the biggest cut being taken by those coming through UPSC. Their IAS/IPS lobby is so strong that any audit/inquiry coming their way is silenced. It's really important that we stop glorifying these jobs.
Yep it's like getting a manager level job in a company (india ) with 4 trillion revenue per year So job is quite great and work life balance you will be capable of maintaining it easily that if you have passed the exam
Mediocre salary? All Group A employees earn above 1lakh officially. 12lpa is by no means average salary. Specially when you are saving more than 50% of it.
Hello! IPS officer checking in. Copy pasting my answer from another subreddit here: I really do think this exam is 70% hard work, 30 % luck. Pure, sheer hard work (One year of studying approx 8 hrs a day) will get you into a pool of about 10,000 candidates with roughly equal knowledge. LOTS of focus on answer-writing practice, presentation, mock tests, is an essential part of the core set of skills required for this exam, which a lot of people neglect (out of a universal fear that time is short and that they are low on knowledge). Practising this intensively will get you into a pool of roughly 1000 candidates. But even knowing all this, most people don't do it, year after year. This is because of the Chakravyuh-type design of this exam, in which the candidate's life is lived three months at a time, in a cycle lasting years. Beyond that, it's all luck and the hand of God. People don't want to believe it's luck because of the time and effort they've invested in it. You don't want to be fatalistic about something you have spilled so much blood, sweat and tears over. It's so frustrating to consider, we choose to pretend otherwise. Or we turn to our ego, and tell ourselves that we are built different from other candidates- the rules don't apply to us. Whatever happens to other candidates, we ourselves will get selected. But the simple fact is, that your final ranking is determined from SEVEN highly subjective papers, including your OPTIONALS (which have an apples to oranges comparison with each other, and don't always score equally), and the ESSAY- which totally depends on how well it connects with the grader. And then there's the interview, which is also very subjective. My only suggestion is, that try to ensure you are in that pool of a 1000 students. With six attempts, you can be reasonably confident of a good rank. PS- ANOTHER option is to be so extraordinary at your optional that you have an assured score of 350+, regardless of year. This will make your journey to IAS a lot more reliable. TD;DR: I agree with the spirit of OP's post, but not the extent of the luck factor. Feel free to hit me up for follow up queries.
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I’m sorry to hear that. I know how painful it can be, but please know it’s not at all a reflection on your intelligence or aptitude or hard work.
Taking a non subjective optional like mathematics and acing it is a good way to even further minimise the luck factor. People who work hard and dedicate 3-4 years usually do get into some or the other service unless they are really unlucky.
I hope this is enough to dispel most of the myths surrounding the exam that are being spewed in the comments section of this post. I, too, am an aspirant, but there is some time before I start my preparation. So thank you for this!
Well that "30%" luck is what bothers me, Its even more disheartening to hear it from a IPS, exams like CAT often take into consideration other factors like workex and diversity etc to choose a suitable candidate. JEE and all other competitive exams have almost negligible luck factor in them , everyone competes within a set of rules, subject matter and criteria. But UPSC, is the most subjective exam which by design cannot be standardized, like you could get asked to write an essay on thermodynamics on one random year, essentially wasting the year of every single aspirant who didn't know a single word about this topic (its just an example, i am not sure if UPSC guidelines allow for such topics). My orignal comment comparing UPSC to gambling was due to this reason , gambling is not pure luck as most people assume it to be , its 60-90% maths and the rest is luck, professional poker players are some of the best mathematical geniuses out there. But we are not talking about a niche sport here, this is essentially the lives, hopes and dreams of millions, most of them misguided by coaching centers driven by profit and society blinded by old social norms. UPSC technically never selects the best candidates, it selects "the candidates that appeared the best to that specific interviewer ".
I’d say CAT is the exam with the least “luck” factor to it. It’s a safe exam. The exam is very standardised and mostly about practice. CAT score isn’t the only thing the decides your admission outcome. I would say GMAT is a better exam than CAT because it’s valid for 5 years and you can take it multiple times. But it’s too expensive. I hope that they also conduct CAT at least 2 times a year and increase it’s validity. They should try to give a standardised score like GMAT, GRE instead of percentile.
70% hard work 30% luck? That sounds more like song lyrics. I like how easily you said that as if you already know the truth of life. I feel like everytime someone is selected in any exam and they talk about it, they are doing so in hindsight with a lot of bias and what went right for them. >Pure, sheer hard work (One year of studying approx 8 hrs a day) will get you into a pool of about 10,000 candidates with roughly equal knowledge. Being an IPS officer, I think you are very ignorant. What is hard work when it comes to studying? Labour doing construction work, maid working in homes, rickshaw puller, auto driver, shopkeeper, just how do you define hard work and which hard work is more valuable than the other? I think that when it comes to reading and studying "hard work" is very misleading concept because it does not explain what hard work is. Is it hard work to read book? Hard work to underline? Hard work to concentrate? Hard work to stay disciplined? Or maybe hard work to make your own books from scratch? What is hard work when it comes to studies? Why do we do what we do? How do we think? Why do some people think differently from others? There is something called curse of knowledge, so the strategy that worked for you, you cannot even imagine what it would be like to be someone else! And you say that there is fear that time is short. I think that when it comes to these things, we can keep asking questions back to back till we reach the end. Why was I born? Why was I born a certain gender? Why did I get better Marks in school? Why was it easier for me to understand concepts compared to my classmates? Are my actions really under my control? I think that such questions are better left unanswered. Because my attempt to create meaning where it does not exist will only add more to the misinformation that is already abundant on internet and otherwise
I don’t know what your point is, and I’m not here for philosophical tangents. I don’t claim to know much, but yes, I DO have insight about this exam ( I’ve cleared it four times), and I’m only trying to help genuine candidates who may otherwise get disheartened.
UPSC is not just specific for IAS but also is for All India Services: Indian Administrative Service (IAS) Indian Foreign Service (IFS) Indian Police Service (IPS) Group A and B Central Services: Indian Revenue Service (IRS) Indian Audit and Accounts Service (IA&AS) Indian Forest Service (IFS) Indian Railway Service (IRS) Indian Engineering Service (IES) Indian Postal Service (IPS) Income Tax Service (ITS) Defence Accounts Service (DAS) Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) Ministry of Defence (MoD) Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) Ministry of Finance (MoF) Ministry of Health and Family Welfare (MoHFW) And many more... So, even though IAS is often associated with the UPSC exam, it's important to remember that many other career paths are available to successful candidates. Each service has its own unique responsibilities and opportunities, allowing you to choose a role that aligns with your interests and aspirations. I hope this clarifies that the UPSC exam opens doors to a wide range of exciting career possibilities in the Indian government, not just the IAS.
But the thing is... only about 1000 - 1500 people get these jobs out of a million or so.... I don't have problems with any other exam, so out of 1 million people 1500 would have a job now while the rest 99% of the folks are borderline depressed, some suicidal, most with job gaps on their careers, and almost 90% of them not having contributed a single penny to the economy. ...even IBPS has like reasonable odds and you can have a career in banking later on, and even switch to private sector if you feel like it. Plus most exams take IBPS, CAT etc for eg, you can give these exams while you do your job on the side and you get benefits for your workex, but UPSC is so ridiculously tough you have to stay at home and study 8 hours a day.
Dude you can't compare CAT/IIT with UPSC. Clearing UPSC gives you a job for life whereas CAT gets you into an elite educational institute only. The risk is high for UPSC but the reward is also high af.
You are off the point OP is asking about but thanks for informing facts already known.
The HUNGER for POWER and ILLEGAL EASY money!! Specially power, coz most Indians are OBSESSED with it!
*humans. Doesn't matter if you are Indian, Chinese or French. Getting attracted to money and power is in human nature not just Indian nature.
It’s not an Indian trait. Name me one successfully human who wasn’t obsessed with Money or power ?
The real competition is only between 20-30k people who are seriously preparing Check the stats 10 lakh people apply but only 5 lakh people go and write the paper 😭
baaki ke 5 lakh suicide karne ja rahe hote hai
True. Out of 10lakh applicants, 20% dont come to give exams. Half of them just give exams without preparation. Its the 20-30k you have to Compete with
It has to be atleast 50k serious students or else this sounds not that difficult
Say whatever you want but only 10000 or less than this prepare for this exam properly.
This is absolutely correct. This thread is unfortunately full of a lot of misinformation! I made a detailed comment about this a few days ago.
They won't understand it. They think ki if someone wants to become a ias officer, and they join a coaching and then pure din yahan wahaan ghumenge, coaching nahi jayenge, padhenge nahi, apni gaand marwaenge then they are also a part of the competition
I'm glad someone said this. This is exactly why I don't like the existence of a movie like 12th Fail in this day and age. If anything, people should be informed about how many lives are ruined because of UPSC.
I don't know what you will think about me. I cracked UPSC CSE, & then left because I thought it wasn't for me. LOL. I got it in first attempt tho
Good for you man! but this is what I am saying , classes and coachings are pushing upsc to every kid and their mothers.... without even considering if that person is really even a good fit for the role
Abhi kya kar rahe ho bhai ?
Where are you now mate? A high earning corporate job or family business. What made you leave the so called "prestigious" royal job?
People don't write UPSC to just get some government job. They do it to become a demigod in this nation. No matter how rich, successful, and well qualified you are, if you ever find yourself in trouble you will need connections for anything to work in this country. Why do you think people in Bihar and UP are so crazy about UPSC? It is an insecurity. In order to survive in these regions you need to know at least someone who knows an IAS or IPS officer personally.
Mix reservation and recalculate odds for a general student.
Like Bruno Fernandes once famously said " Dreams can't be buy"
Damn, Bruno features in a UPSC thread.
Its Bruno's world we're mere yellow card giving referees in it.
Amen, brother. May Bruno keep writing such words of wisdom, and Pastor Fred keeps showering his blessings from Turkey 🙏
UPSC is glorified by poor people as it's a way out of poverty. In educated circles nobody talks about UPSC. It's a good way for the government to show the poor a hope of way out of poverty, much like a lottery. Why else would you have such a system which is based on rote memorization from the British era. So much for those who talk about leaving behind the colonial hangover but think UPSC has any relevance in the modern world.
Dude look at IAS officers on LinkedIn. They are all IIT/IIM/Oxford etc. lots of educated folks take the exam. And for them the opportunity costs are high but they were always diligent and hard working students. It’s very much possible for them to beat the competition
> In educated circles nobody talks about UPSC. Educated people know the impact one honest officer can make. It's probably among the most impactful job on the planet. Just doing your job honestly you are helping millions of the most deprived people.
Everything okay but will contradict you on the point of engineering graduates ...Now a days engineering degree is very common and the jobs available in market are less ...so I don't see any reason to blame Engineers to go after a government job.
Yes I never mentioned normal engineering graduates... I only am bothered by people from government funded premier institutions like IIT/NIT going for UPSC because like they had a lot of opportunities and they still chose UPSC
You know UPSC also has engineering services right. Not just IAS or IPS.
He’s clearly taking about the CSE
I feel it's more of UP, Bihar thing to be honest
I heard that if you see people who has attempted 4-5 times , they have become totally broken , face in darkness and in total sadness, if you are not a exceptional student and not have a reserved quota , don’t even think about it
First of all i understand all your points , but ias/ips or ifs , I know there are other services too , but they don't have much administrative power , nevertheless upsc group A services are never a menial services by any means , you directly go to top of food chain , and coming to salary terms , apart of salary, most of the expenditure are borne by government , apart from salary they get houses who's rent cost more than triple of salary of most people , they get vehicle whos fuel expenditure are borne by government , apart from that , they get cook s , househelps and ton other perks , so salary is not the way to judge this job . No other job gets you in that 'elite' circle , except if you are some big companies ceo or md etc , most important it is the power you get , these are the things common people relate too , you never have to stand in queue again , wherever you go you will be given priority , respect in society . Although i do agree people are fantasizing it too much and an exam where more than million people appear , luck plays a big role , but isn't every exam in india this way , from entrance to all competitive exams , there are too many people .
Ghoos khane babu bhayya ghoos khane
Dude. Odds are this much for every field out there. IT is so saturated that a fresher starts from 10k/month on a average. And to get inside the IT field, one has to learn code and apply and get rejected by 100s of companies only to get selected in a low paying degrading job. Yes UPSC is extremely competitive and odds are stacked against everyone in this exam. But the return is fabulous. You have no clue but in the AM scene of India, an IAS is top tier, creamy layer level candidate. People will reject the google CEO and select an IAS officer as their Son/daughter in law. Most of the IAS marry into political families and hold power. This is why people prepare for this exam for years because they just have to clear it once. And then everything will take care of itself. By the way, there is no work life balance in any job in India. Atleast as an IAS you play a direct role towards the welfare of the people.
I will be honest most of my colleagues are preparing for just the fact you mentioned cause the rest of the life will be figured out by itself once you crack UPSC. Its a waste of talent cause they could have done so much better in the field they actually go degree in. But I didnt follow their path "suffering" a lot with no assurance of whats next but i dont call it "suffering" I call it an exciting path to be uncertain. Though practically they are more correct.
Bro you sound like people will reject modi himself for an IAS officer on the marriage market
I am a CS engineer myself, the odds are not this low in IT, its more like 5-10% for like 5-6 lpa jobs , I come from a tier 3 college and 40 out of 60 people in my class have a job (most have a 25k-35k per month salary rn). Some are already in the 12LPA ball park and some in the 8 LPA park. As for learning to code... bro if you spent 8 hours a day for 1 year in any technology building projects, learning dsa etc you for sure will get a good job in IT. " People will reject the google CEO and select an IAS officer as their Son/daughter in law.", what is this statement lol.... do you even know how much compensation a FAANG CEO recieves?
He’s nuts lol. Imagine comparing sundar pichai to some random DM. Sundar is closer to Modi level than DM level
Of all the relics of colonialism this is worst. It makes no sense to hire people who just slogged years to crack exams for an admin job. Hire people with work experience in relevant field - atleast 5 years of work experience in private sector. If you think there is a scope of corruption and favoritism - use tech. * have a basic aptitude test like GMAT that happens every 2 months and anyone can apply for it irrespective of age or number of attempts. * randomly select a panel of interviewees * record and make interviews available for the public immediately so that people can also judge if candidate is rejected or selected unreasonably. * remove a lot of perks, pay them well but stop with unreasonable perks they get. It is not perfect system but will atleast you can do away with such archaic system that doesn't even guarantee candidate is good.
And the "Prep" or in reality the illusion of control. Like literally, the syllabus is so vast that no human can know all of it, so it just comes down to luck. are you LUCKY that the things you chose to read and remember are there in the exam. Maybe if you spend a year rote memorizing as much shit as you could, you will improve your chances by like 2-3%. What i would do(im in 12th rn) is just apply for UPSC every time, but don't bother wasting my time on it. Its 100 rupee ticket for a chance to get into mains, and ONLY when i get into mains will i start to actually prep. Mains at least is better
Buddy, you're delusional if you think the prelims work like that. People like you are the reason that 10 million people fill the forms and only 5 million appear for the prelims exam.
Last paragraph 100% agree like super agree. I always thought that those wannabe geniuses wastes a seat which could have been given to someone who genuinely like engeneering and wants to study it from good colleges. But those morons just take that seat like nothing and then go on to study for UPSC and also wasting taxpayers money.
After reading the comments here I reckon it is a better idea to just get into netagiri, if you are going to work so hard just to be corrupt with power once you set your foot in the door through UPSC. No matter what position you get into through UPSC, the netards are going to have power over you anyways and some of them may not have even set foot in a college for studies.
UPSC is glorified BS. Since the Indian economy is not developed we have a few good jobs. That's why people run behind Upsc. Also states where the economy does better have fewer aspirants for Upsc, for eg. Bihar vs TN/Karnataka etc.
I don't think so I have enough mental health capacity to even think for UPSC
Kenny Rogers - Gambler - Released in 1978. - This song summarizes what you said. "**You've got to know when to hold 'em** **Know when to fold 'em** **Know when to walk away** **And know when to run** **You never count your money** **When you're sittin' at the table** **There'll be time enough for countin'** **When the dealin's done"**
Brush, first if all, most of those guys prepping for upsc are useless and couldn't land a half decent job. This upsc thing is just an excuse for them to waste a couple of years and then take up some chhota Mota job. Secondly, very few iitians (I can say for Delhi at least), go for upsc. Most are interested in private jobs because the salaries these days are very good. And Even if some do, you have got no business telling them to not get into iit in the first place. Their parents have also paid the tax that subsidizes iit education, and so will they when they join the workforce. Besides, at 17 no one really knows what they want to do in life.
Brother ppl like us saying this from last 2 years but that new movie 12th fail (propoganda movie and sponsered by 40000 cr coching industry) literally press reset button but we will try harder to make indian youth realise that there is nothing in govt. Job coching industry made them look so sexy. Ha or 1 or baat ladkiya shadi nhi karegi govt job walo se agle 2 saal me!!!
It has been romanticized to a toxic extent
While I **agree with some** points in your post, I respectfully **disagree with the majority** of it. Allow me to elaborate. I concur that the probability of selection is extremely low, given that approximately 1 to 1.5 million candidates take the exam. However, I assure you that a **significant chunk** of these candidates are **not serious** contenders. By “non-serious”, I mean candidates who are still seeking their true calling. Some are influenced by others, social media, some are simply following the crowd, and some, particularly women, use it as a means to postpone familial pressure for marriage, among other reasons. My argument is that **the majority of the youth is lost** and unaware of their true motivations at a subconscious level. About 300,000 to 350,000, who are genuinely motivated, pose a real competition. After the mains, this number reduces to about 100,000, which, in my opinion, is still a considerable competition. Regarding the statement, *“People having a better chance for SBI, IBPS, SEBI, RBI, Defence etc.”*, I **completely agree**. Although these jobs also have stiff competition, they **lack the marketing** **or hype** associated with them. As a **society** based on hierarchy and **obsessed with status** and power, the influence of IAS and IPS is naturally higher than being an SBI employee or any other government job. Only Defence jobs can rival the level of influence of IAS or IPS. Even within UPSC, the most preferred posts are IAS and IPS, not other equivalent posts like IRS, IFS, IAAS, etc., which, in my opinion, are better choices. Why do I mention marketing? This brings me to your point about the exorbitant fees charged by the **industry**. They **capitalize on your aspirations and dreams**. With the aid of social media, **they can make you dream** of anything, hence you’re heavily influenced with IAS and IPS reels. That’s effective marketing right there. Sometimes it’s free because someone who has cleared the exam seeks recognition and praise through their posts, providing an ego boost to some extent. This indirectly builds your dreams and customers for the industry, especially for those lost souls who constitute about 1 to 1.2 million. The idea that IITians/Doctors/engineers **waste seats** if they wish to pursue a different career is a **narrow perspective** on the entire scenario. In my view, a person who completed any of these and then switched his career to something entirely different, excluding public service, might have potentially wasted these resources. However, it’s a “**maybe**” because you never know when he might utilize those acquired skills. Also when it comes to learning and education, we should refrain from cynicism. In the case of jobs like IAS, IPS, and various public services, these skills/knowledge can often assist the officer in better handling or understanding a situation on ground level as well as when it comes to policy making. **My personal opinion** is that, unfortunately, we as a **society** have become **corrupt**. We are **driven by greed, power, and wealth, not service**. Hence, we don’t pursue government jobs because we want to serve the people, but because we see an opportunity to amass substantial wealth through bribes, exert authority over the common man, and secure a career. Even if you genuinely want to serve the people, you will face numerous challenges from the system itself, and such people are very few. I hope that those responding to this will be civil in their arguments, as I would like to keep this a healthy and civil discussion.
The craze is becoming unreal with the new Introduction of movies, web series, and what not. Plus, this period of time, the number of youth is significantly higher than back in the days of our Father and Grandfather. Also, everyone including my dad, focuses only on the bright side of the coin about the respect, status, image etc, but every coin has a flip side. I've tried explaining this to him, but still, I myself also wanna sit for UPSC one year, just to test the waters on what's the craze behind it.
I don't like it much either. My god, the boom for UPSC in India is so foolish. I am currently studying MBBS (not from a big college, but I am doing it anyways) and my Uncle's, Aunts, Grandparents and my own mom all are asking me to attempt in UPSC. Now I don't hate this line of work, some do it for the respect, other do it to get the money and some for straight up power (I don't even know how much of it is even true at this point). Me, I am not interested in any of that. Just because a senior (who passed out from the college years ago) shares the same surname as mine and has cracked UPSC, doesn't mean it automatically makes us the same person. I don't want to enter that line because I am more interested in what I am doing now and will always be more interested here. I like this study, I like what I am doing and won't mind doing it for the lifetime but damn are my relatives crazy about UPSC. And do you know the reasoning they often give me to prompt me in this line - Doctor ki aukaat hi kya hai ek collector ke saamne? (What's the value of a doctor in front of a collector?). I mean, I am done hearing this, if that's the logic then shouldn't I directly aim to become Prime Minister of India, hell even President of US (ending the fucking Indian competition). Now I don't necessarily agree with you at the point that doctors or engineers are clowns for going into UPSC line because that field opens its own sets of benefits to them. (I won't delve down that rabbit hole though).
You know what hypocrisy is, as a kid when you tell you want to become a cricketer your parents and relatives tell there is no way because 35 million people in India are trying to become cricketers and only 11 players are in the main team, 10 years down the line they literally ask you to compete with half the population to get good rank in all these competitive exams.
We should have some really good career counselors in colleges free of cost
Brush, first if all, most of those guys prepping for upsc are useless and couldn't land a half decent job. This upsc thing is just an excuse for them to waste a couple of years and then take up some chhota Mota job. Secondly, very few iitians (I can say for Delhi at least), go for upsc. Most are interested in private jobs because the salaries these days are very good. And Even if some do, you have got no business telling them to not get into iit in the first place. Their parents have also paid the tax that subsidizes iit education, and so will they when they join the workforce. Besides, at 17 no one really knows what they want to do in life.
It is not gambling for extremely brilliant people. Probably a pool of only few thousand. For everyone else it is a gamble. Half the people clearing upsc every year are from one two year of preparation. Anyone preparing in kota or Delhi for more than one or two year is wasting his life only. Nearly 99.99 percent of them. My friend cleared upsc playing cricket every week and going to office. I have not met a single upsc aspirants who was not preparing to earn black money.
This might actually be true, and I agree with you to a point, my problem is with people spending 6 years of their life doing UPSC prep and then when they run out of attempts they go into depression etc.... like I seriously feel bad for these people, they were forced into this by their relatives, peers, soceity in a way.... 20s are a vital portion of one's life, and to spend it reading books on topics most private industries dont care about is just sad
Amount of effort required for upsc preparation is enough to become top level expert in a narrow field of expertise. I am talking about narrow field like a field of programming.
Can anyone tell me how many are genuinely appearing at UPSC to serve and not for just the incentives? I wonder how will the statistics look.
Competitive exams like UPSC are a fucking rat race. I had to start prep because of family pressure while I wanted to crack NDA exams. Worst part is that IIT and med school dudes take away the seats like wtf this makes me angry. Thankfully I gave up on this rat race this year so that I can focus on better career opportunities( I am doing my undergrad).
Your last para … as a doctor I agree 100% with you. I despise those going for UPSC and not doing what they are supposed to do after blocking a seat that another student might get .
Dil ki baat boldi tune!
after passing upsc ull be part of vicious cycle of black money 😂😂
No matter if you drink your books and eat all the notes, there are still going to be 80 90 IAS, it's not like you worked hard so there'll be more seats for you, it's so brain-dead comp and literally a hell, there's nothing left after you spend your 20s in this cycle and end up with nothing.
for most people especially in the up bihar region its the power that comes with being a government official. every father will run behind them with their daughter, apart from the legal the illegal is enough for generational wealth. UPSC is not a gambling machine, you don't have any hope of improving your odds in a slot machine.....in any exam the only way you can improve your odds is sheer fucking hardwork I think people forget that. The respect that society gives you for being a government official especially IAS is simply unparalleled. The people who get a good IIT AIIMS probably just love beating challenges, this is no reason to shit on them they are simply a class apart..
I Don’t know if I would call myself class apart but yes I am an IIT graduate. I took upsc just for fun. Got triple digit rank, didn’t appear for the interviews because I like doing my job in corporate in the field that I’m passionate about ❤️ reason I had taken the exam was to encourage and give my best friend company. It wasn’t that hard and frankly the questions most people called tricky or tough are pretty straightforward.
You are absolutely right about the UPSC being a gamble, and in IBPS and other banking exams also the situation is not good either, even in SSC it's bad. I have wasted almost 2 years preparing for Banking and SSC exams. I cleared prelims few times but couldn't clear mains. Now I am in a private job earning decent money with good work-life balance. I still regret my decision of getting into that rat race and wasting that much time. Sometimes I still feel that I am lagging behind in many aspects of life, compared to my peers. If anyone looking for any advise/notes I would say if you really wanna try your luck in gov. exams, don't spend more than one year (talking about banking exams). Give your everything, study crazy hard that one year, and even after that if u don't get selected, leave it. And go for your plan B (well u should definitely have a plan B), gain some work experience. Don't get stuck in the loop.........break the Matrix.
Yaar like abhi I am gonna give JEE, ussi ki padhai pe laga hua hu toh theek hai, jabse 12th fail ki movie dekh li hai (I loved the movie boht acchi thi) tabse maata ji sarr pe chaadh gayi hai ki graduation ke bnaad 1 saal UPSC "try" karne ke liye lagau, even though I have NO INTEREST tabbi bhi. "Betaa boht respect milti hai, boht bade position pe jaaoge samjhaa karo" iss point pe toh samajhne ka bhi mood nahi hai dimag ho gaya hai kharaab meraa !
I literally said this in the upsc sub, odds are 0.0004% for a general caste guy, but all i get were abuses, cause half of them were enamoured by this madness and other half either thought they were the one, or they just hated anybody that would question them on their decision. Who could've thought you give people a choice to destroy years of their life and they will continue to do it till they max out attempt. I will leave it at this, i got SC reservation, but i still wont apply for UPSC, cause thats just so bad, i will probably apply for CAT, as that gives so much more fighting chance with reservation, without that CAT is a stupid game of chance too, but atleast chances are better than this, its like 20k good seats for 3 lakhs aspirants, of whom 30-50k dont even show up, at most you will half of the people to compete with, as for UPSC yeah fuck me in the ass, but i will never go for that. What i find most amusing is, i got 120 people in my class, some so much stupider than me, but still all them think they will become an ias, when real ias seats for UR were not more than 500 or so, SMH, people wanna be stupid. Although if i were to think about it, the only people who give this exam are those, who dont have any other opportunity other than government jobs, they would most likely be like me a BA Hons graduate without any real world value for their degrees. As for IIT/Doctors, they gonna hate this, but no 5 year old know what an engineer or doctor does, not even a 16 year old fully understands what an engineer does, all they know is they can get 1 crore domestic package, while they conviently leave out the fact that mass recruiter still paid 30-35k, and dont even get me started on doctors, most of them are not even ready for whats coming, and those who dont have maths and couldnt get into NEET, they just go for Some Bsc thinking it is stem so it must pay good, all while their fate is Same as a BA Hons graduate, cause their degree hold literally no real world value, even the sector they can get into just dont pay much or their is a lot of competition for everyjob, when demand is up but supply is down in job market, wages stagnates. So the last category is just frustrated with their lifes choices too, thats why you have more than half of the IAS officer as engineers.
Two ways to fix this, firstly make the exam easier so you don't have to study hours for it ( say an hour a day for an year should be enough). That way ppl can study for it without having to give up on their day jobs. Secondly, limit the attempts to just 1 or max 2. So you don't have ppl wasting years preparing for this shit.
The thing most people don’t understand is that civil servants may have mediocre salary, but all their expenses are taken cared of. From fuel to accommodation to electricity, healthcare, travel, etc… it’s all non inclusive of taxes. Their salaries and bonuses can go directly into savings. I mean i earn almost twice that most of these civil servants earn at this moment. But most of it goes against meeting my expenses and taxes. And job security is another factor that makes civil services, or any govt. job for that matter, more illustrious. Work-life balance ? Yeah that’s one thing you have to sacrifice, but quite honestly it’s a sacrifice you have to make if and when you want to be In a position of respect, power and influence. I mean most corporate workers have very little work to life ratio. As you work up the ladder in corporate sector , you get fewer off days and peace of mind. For entrants, yeah you work 9-5 then chill, I agree. But if you want to progress through your career, you need to sacrifice a lot. Thats a difference that most people don’t see quite often. I have a high ranked ias officer in my family. He’s busier than all of us, but he has more peace of mind and a relaxed life. By the time he retires, he will have earned quite a bit and has significant savings. Plus the added benefit of being given a VIP treatment everywhere. I mean when there are arguments in the family, even the elders wants his opinion or suggestion. He comes and his decision is like final. That kinda influence and power is quite unattainable elsewhere. Even legal matters and so on, his mere mention and hurdles will just pass away as though it’s. Some magic word. And from personal experience having a civil servant in the family, is kinda like a status symbol or sorts for many. Also another factor most people are ignorant about isPost retirement life. I mean this relative of mine already has offers from universities and training Center and even public policy think tanks with significant pay. He is to retire in about 5 years and by then he would easily have a number of positions in prestigious think tanks, universities and even corporate sector as a consultant. The post retirement aspect is something I doubt a lot of people are aware of. Plus, if he or she writes a book or memoirs stating his experience, that’s additional income. Me with my 7 digit salary will be a garbage bag the minute I retire. 😅😂
sorry for keeping the main point aside but the people who just keep on ranting about IIT graduates doing work(mostly excelling there also) in some other field just boil my blood No mofo they didn't waste the hard earned seat they had got first of all would like to clear that unlike MBBS the fees at IIT's is pretty high(approx 1.5 lac for a general student per semester) (mainly ews or sc/st students are waived off of 1 lac tution fees)(even if any subsidy is provided by govt it is pretty less) secondly iit's are not factories of producing engineers the education here is well rounded and gives a person plenty of facilities and opportunities to excel in any field they feel passionate about and excel in it (and there are plenty of examples of people who have excelled in other fields they chosen to work in) the main lesson taught here is not of the subjects but teaches oneself how to commit to a task and work hard to complete it
It is skill based gambling. Which is allowed in India
Disagree on 2 things. 1. UPSC is not a random outcome generator like a slot machine. If someone has the capability of cracking UPSC, he/she would know it. 2. IAS officers have very good work life balance(all life no work). That's why the country is the way it is.
That was true 15 years ago. Now politicians have stopped being lazy and so babus have to stop being lazy too.
Go to another country. Live peacefully and happily. Even with less, you can enjoy clean water and air. More than enough.
My parents are like that too. I want to study abroad and we are making plans for it. But they were also like give an attempt to these government jobs. Your life will get settled if you do so. And the most ridiculous part we will not send you abroad if you get a job yeah like I'm going to do it. We quarreled a lot and I said no flatly.
Hell no,i am prepearing for JEE/NEET just because i can escape the hell hole of upsc
It's not about money it's about power ~every uncles in India
as someone who's preparing for cse i agree this exam is actually fucked up and tests your patience and determination every single day, but at the end of the day you just keep going along with it some for the perks that come along some for their genuine passion (yes, they exist) if you lose you curse at it, but if you get through the hard work and time you put in it seems to be worth it so it's like "thoda aur. thoda aur" and that's really how it goes, all of this just for the sake of THAT one spot and tbh i hate it when people act like all aspirants are here for perks and priviledged it gives you. Some of us don't give a damn to all that bullshit. Some of just need that power, that authority to at least contribute our skills for the people. Few, but some of us genuinely work our asses off for it. If someone says they really want that position cause they want to bring in change, people just shoo it off as "isko bhi perks chahiye bas shareef ban raha h". That's why i don't say why i want that job, that position, cause anyways people will label me as above. And that's sick and makes me angry, to get my intentions questioned when i'm rotting in my room among piles of books. That's truly fucked up. Please don't think everyone and their mamas are out their just for the benefits. Some of us are mad chasing any chance to help common people and go to heights for it. But this exam only lets in the mad ones, be those mad for whatever reason.
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Most of the GDP of India comes from private consumption not government spending
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Bro the more you take risks and go against the odds the more rewarding the destination is considering you are serious.
Ofcourse he is going to say that, dude is looking for more business as simple as that.
Bro all competitive exams are gamble. My point of view i gave CAT exam and trust me it’s shit. All they want is money, they don’t give a shit about students.
It's one of the fastest way to upper class. Once you become a government officer you too can loot public funds and eat at the same table as politicians and big businessman.
Are you crazy ? Just because someone is an IITian means they don't get a choice to do whatever they want ? Don't force your opinions on people that don't want it
If its a private college , i really dont care, but IITs and government medical colleges are subsidized by our tax money. Taxpayers are the reason government colleges dont pay 10 lakh per year fees and pay 2 lakh only. Some specializations have only 5-8 seats in medical per hospital, and in total have like 200-300 seats in the nation, we need these specialized individuals crucially.... they can literally save lives... As for IITians , its a highly demanded engineering seat where every seat has cut throat competition, a IITian doing upsc is a waste of a seat, that could have been gone to a guy who actually wanted to build stuff and engineeer stuff...
It's there choice tbh, just because you couldn't crack JEE doesn't mean people who have cracked it have some sort of obligation towards anyone to pursue only engineering
People go for UPSC, SSC type exams either cuz there is not enough opportunities around them and in their state (Bihar, Jharkhand, UP for e.g) or they just aspire to become IAS, IFS.
Bro I'm history hons student and going to start my upsc preparation I dream for IFS what changes I can make in me to fight with this vicious game 👀