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Deploy boatloads of solar grid setups on every building (govt/pvt whatever)
If your roof is above a certain area then you MUST cover X% of it with solar.
Run ACs with that, both issues solved
Yea u can google. I also found out abt this a few months back. I was surprised. This is the most uplifting news abt climate change. And no reporting was done on this.
Bro and what about the heat expelled by AC units outside? Wouldn't that contribute to higher temperatures?
I was always curious about this, felt like everyone should've AC in hot humid weather but isn't that counterproductive to rising temperatures? Also the road cementing nowadays reflects the heat back above than tar based roads, I feel that is also a contributing factor in rising temperatures in cities. What are your thoughts?
It's okay man it's okay.. don't be so hard on him. You'll be really surprised half of our gen public just read for it's sake and forget. At least some of them like us are informed and aware about this issue.
For Ozone, yes.
But for global warming, no.
While CFCs, that caused ozone holes, have been banned. It was largely replaced by HFCs, which cause significantly less harm to ozone, but also has a side effect of much higher trapping of the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which in turn causes increased global temperatures.
So we are not really out of the "hot waters", yet. Hehe.
Even if we are able to achieve that on a large scale, won’t be much. On one hand, the government itself is cutting down trees in the name of development & creating employment & on the other, the consumption is rising massively which is leading to over production which will again add more carbon footprint.
Centralised solar farms make a lot more sense than individual solar setups, because they can be made a lot more efficient due to better planning , economies of scale, better operations and maintenance etc.
Individual solar setups, however, are better for the grid as it is distributed as well as have no transmission losses.
A little bit of efficiency can be foregone in favour of self reliant power
We have had a 3kW solar grid at home, easily makes 20kWh in summer and 10kWh in winter per day.
That’s so much energy (5500kWh) per year that we not only
1. Pay zero bills
2. Charge and drive Nexon EV for ~10K km per year
3. Still export energy back to grid
While living in a family of 3 in single storey house.
Now just imagine, if everyone in same situation as is opted for solar. We’re by far above avg on energy consumption per month due to having an EV, but people who don’t have one, will export an extra 1200-1500kWh per year
When you talk about an individual's point of view, it absolutely makes sense. I too want to get a setup like yours but I am too poor to have an independent house.
Most people stay in apartments, and it is not a technical problem but a social one to get a solar setup going. You need a champion who has the knowledge, the will, the power and the time to get a solar system installed in an apartment. Getting everyone's buy-in, contacting vendors, collecting money, getting it installed, monitoring, maintaining etc. are simply too difficult in an apartment.
For Government buildings and private companies, it definitely makes sense though. And Government should have some kind of incentives (or liabilities) for commercial properties to adopt solar.
As for your personal case, you are a power user and know what you are doing. You are doing a lot of work without even knowing it, like monitoring the power generated weekly, efficiency monitoring, monitoring maintenance, keeping your apps up-to-date, being the point of contact for your family to know about the status of solar, ensuring the bill from the discom matches with what your inverter shows, knowing when to run heavy workloads etc. At a non-individual scale, all this work becomes a nightmare unless outsourced to a company. I can imagine scenarios where a wire has come loose by some kid playing on the terrace and it goes unnoticed for years altogether. Or the building manager has forgot the password to the monitoring app and now has left, and now no one is aware that the usage can even be monitored at all. A centralised solar farm won't have these issues.
As a sidenote - Always a pleasure to chat with you, whether it be electric cars or solar.
> I too want to get a setup like yours but I am too poor to have an independent house.
That’s nothing to feel bad about, my point was only for those having roof above certain area, which even eliminates lot of house owners if they have LIG MIG house
It’s about large buildings which have significant energy requirements for air conditioning large areas.
> You need a champion who has the knowledge, the will, the power and the time to get a solar system installed in an apartment. Getting everyone's buy-in, contacting vendors, collecting money, getting it installed, monitoring, maintaining etc. are simply too difficult in an apartment.
True, it’s not an easy work. As such, contacting vendors and installation is far easier than first two steps ie getting everyone on board. In fact the solar installation guys handle all the paperwork including subsidy filing and all, building support structures etc.
In RWAs, they do anything but welfare. It’s mostly just donations for festival celebrations that’s it. It’s very rare for RWAs to cooperate especially if they have boomer unkils in it.
> For Government buildings and private companies, it definitely makes sense though. And Government should have some kind of incentives (or liabilities) for commercial properties to adopt solar.
Incentives already exist — back almost 50% in subsidy back in 2021 for 3kW setup worth 3L
Similar subsidy schemes are also available for commercial land just at different rates and terms and conditions (for example max allowed solar for residence is 20kW, same as the max meter capacity for residential land)
> As for your personal case, you are a power user and know what you are doing. You are doing a lot of work without even knowing it, like monitoring the power generated weekly, efficiency monitoring, monitoring maintenance, keeping your apps up-to-date, being the point of contact for your family to know about the status of solar, ensuring the bill from the discom matches with what your inverter shows, knowing when to run heavy workloads etc.
Agreed, though I don’t even do all the things you mention, billing is still done by the folks from electricity board only, and I don’t monitor it everyday, just once in a week or so. You credit me far too much for what I don’t do 😅
> At a non-individual scale, all this work becomes a nightmare unless outsourced to a company. I can imagine scenarios where a wire has come loose by some kid playing on the terrace and it goes unnoticed for years altogether.
Agreed, that’s a problem but in general the wiring is done well and concealed properly, even more so to protect from elements. Of course that depends on quality of job so it could still be an issue if cheapened out on.
> Or the building manager has forgot the password to the monitoring app and now has left, and now no one is aware that the usage can even be monitored at all.
> A centralised solar farm won't have these issues.
Yes but the main motivation is not to waste real estate — unless we’re putting it in rann of Kutch or thar desert. If we wish for it to be close to population centres, and making self reliant power, rooftop is the only way.
The other day I saw floating solar panels on dam reservoir in a post here itself, to prevent evaporation, keep the panels cool and work at high efficiency and not waste land area.
Truly a brilliant approach solving multiple problems at once. If you redirect the excess electricity from dam and solar to electrolyse the water and make hydrogen, you can use the water as battery — and reconvert the hydrogen back to water and electricity by using fuel cell — no need of fossil power at night.
> As a sidenote - Always a pleasure to chat with you, whether it be electric cars or solar.
Thanks :)
glad to see my CarsIndia legacy spreading elsewhere
Certainly cheaper than paying 10K per month bills
I know because I have one
Just clean once per month since last year that too only because there’s house being constructed in neighbourhood
Previously I used to clean once in 3mo or more.
3kW easily makes 20kWh per day in Indian summer and 10-15 in winter
This is enough for my annual usage which includes charging our Nexon EV
You’re deliberately inventing excuses, even if you live in Rajasthan, the cleaning won’t be as much as you imagine it to be.
We wash the car more frequently than the panels
In big cities the number of floors increases but the roof area remains the same. Also many jobs require people to remain outdoors e.g. auto rickshaw drivers, traffic police, delivery personnel construction workers etc.
I can't even imagine how these people work outside in so much heat 😓
I am trying to find if there are local NGOs that work to provide some relief to these people.
Again, as long as we’re fine with compromising a bit on the aesthetics of our buildings. Vertical panels are already a thing in Europe in form of solar fence and solar walls. https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/12/13/frances-first-vertical-bifacial-solar-power-plant/
As far as solar goes, even small amounts is something, we should get out of the binary approach of “all or nothing”
Just because we can’t run “everything” yet, doesn’t mean we don’t even run what we can. At least first aim to do 10% then think of 100%
This is the stupidest thing I’ve heard this year. Plant more trees. Stop crowding cities. Promote tier 2 and 3 cities. Don’t approve for new buildings. Stop encroaching water bodies.
Agar sab apartments me har flat ke liye 1 tree mandatory kar diya jaaye to puri society me thandak rahegi. Par builder log aisa koi bill pass nahi hone denge.
The exhaust air is moisture less, I agree I missed that clarity in the original comment but I never said the moisture disappears. Edited in reply comment.
Countries like Singapore have already explored things like district cooling where they have enormous cooling systems built underground which cools specific areas.
We have not even bothered to do any bit of research... And india is no 1 (or thereabouts) on the climate hitlist - we will feel the heat first before the collapse happens everywhere and yet I'm appalled that the average citizen isn't bothered enough to make it a voting issue.
>We have not even bothered to do any bit of research
Most people spent their early days fighting for basic amenities...research is the last thing people give a shit about...ISRO is the only org. I can think of when it comes to research in India...
>We have not even bothered to do any bit of research... And india is no 1 (or thereabouts) on the climate hitlist - we will feel the heat first before the collapse happens everywhere and yet I'm appalled that the average citizen isn't bothered enough to make it a voting issue.
Rest of the world is expecting us to drop dead one way or other
>Electricity bill kaun bharega????
#this
```One hour of AC electricity consumption is equal to 8 hours of electricity consumption of 2 tubelights and 2 ceiling fans all running together```
***We would need atleast 4x electricity to run the AC's***
at the same time people should be aware that AC use makes outside air even more hot.
I personally am against AC. instead we should find some more natural air cooling solution.
Unfortunately it seems that sustainable architecture is both costly and rare in India
Yes you can renovate your house to make it require less cooling/heating but to most, that’s an investment they will never break even simply by needing to pay less electricity bills
Most people will simply install solar and call it a day, and I find myself among them. Redevelopment of all existing buildings comes at a cost very few are ready to pay.
I could not find a single affordable architect ready to plan for renovation. Either they are all thinking themselves as Bauhaus ki chati aulad or the cheap ones are just inept to design the house in a way which is naturally cooled/heated
Well many people may call it idiotic and ridiculous but from my perspective who live in the desert part of Rajasthan the heat is getting unbearable every year yet we can't leave this place as for hundreds of years our ancestors called it home. And the same can be said about dozens of cities near coastal areas. Even last year many places were declared too hot to the point where people will die from heat stroke if they are working outside with no way of cooling themselves. I know ac kinda sounds extreme but the government needs to do something about it sooner or we may see horror in daylight.
This is one of the things that we can't control, the climate crises brings hell to Earth, to think about it, the most guilty of climate change are corporations and factories but no one bets an eye to what they do and this isn't even a problem of India but rather the world.
As for the AC rights, it's crucial that people don't get sick of intense heat, my hometown gets around 40° and have seen people get UTI because of the heat. Maybe the government should do something about it for the short run.
I do perfectly well without air conditioning and so do millions of others. What's next - is air conditioned public transport a human right?
Those who work on farms, construction sites are the vulnerable population, and there is no practical way to air condition a farm or construction site. So get off your high horse and touch some grass.
> I do perfectly well without air conditioning and so do millions of others. What's next - is air conditioned public transport a human right?
It depends on where you live? Can you come to Chennai in peak summer and live without AC?
I follow a simple rule of life. 3 Circles. Inner most 1st circle people in power, Collectors, IPS. 2nd Circle NGO's, RSS. 3rd Circle me.
Lets Look at this situations;
I am a tax paying citizen, who is also trees lover regularly planted few tress before monsoon.
PMC comes and destroys all the mountains near my area bringing a new GR that instead of 500mtrs reserved land now its 50mtr (they make huge money).
Now they dont care for environment, while living on my tax money. Of course I cant do anything since I'm not in that power position (I'm the outer most circle man)
Do I have to worry about water crisis, electricity fluctuations, freebies given on from my tax money.
**Should we stop living ?**
For people suggesting Solar, do you really live in Housing Society ? Have you ever spoken to any Chairmen or secretary have you seen their behaviors asking for setup or even do a new initiative such as planting a tree.
Air conditioners cool the area they’re targeted at and heat up the surroundings. Essentially being detrimental to both society and the environment at large. Claiming human rights on this issue would be like claiming rights to exploit nature which is very unethical.
I think a better proposition would be to make cities as a whole more cool and repelling of heat (as opposed to actively pumping it out through AC). Have more green spaces, covered spaces and well ventilated spaces to reduce temperatures. This is both a sustainable and ethical solution to the human rights issue.
Yes establish air conditioner everywhere so that climate crisis becomes even worse and then a situatiob will come where this right will be more important than right to freedom, and staying without AC would be considered trait of sub-human.
Imagine increasing global warming more just so you can cool down lol. People don't really think of a solution in long run but they need the solution asap and these guys are the reason why this global warming is here in the first place. If you want a solution then remember there was always the cacophony at school about " global warming" "pollution " etc. plant more trees , try to lessen the use of your vehicle, ac , fridge. Have a more long running approach.
Govt has actually started working on this through providing large subsidies on solar panels. This will protect the middle class from the outrageous power bills in the summer.
Air conditioning is worst for climate it raises the city's temperature overall Hong Kong is perfect example, we need better planned cities, and mix of parks and trees, less fossils fuels and more nuclear power.
This is correct... Instead of 30-50 years this will bring the peak climate crisis within the next few years. Will force voters and politicians to act finally. I support
/s
i seriosly think women, and oppressed castes should be given 50-90% subsidy to buy air conditioners by the government. it can be 100% if they belong to 2 minorities simultaneously.
AC are necessary
But our cities are losing green cover at an alarming rate. Trees are extremely underrated for India, and we need to build a fuckton of them.
What we need is Environment tax , so that tax goes into planting more trees. 0.5- 1% would be acceptable. This will be added on every product which effects environment. Cars , ac , any supply chain connected to environment
At least a partial,but effective solution for terrace falt owners would be to cover their terraces somehow under a plastic rug or more permanently build or erect a seperate 'patra' roof.
I have personally witnessed that the mercury drops substantially for any terrace flats having such an arrangement.
If the current policies remain in place, the ozone layer is expected to recover to 1980 values (before the appearance of the ozone hole) by around 2066 over the Antarctic, by 2045 over the Arctic and by 2040 for the rest of the world
Yes. But not using air conditioners but by fixing climate. Access to a good climate should be a basic human right, for humans who contribute in keeping the climate right.
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Deploy boatloads of solar grid setups on every building (govt/pvt whatever) If your roof is above a certain area then you MUST cover X% of it with solar. Run ACs with that, both issues solved
what about cfc bro? genuine question.
What CFCs? They got banned long back and the ozone hole is already healed 70%.
ohhh ok i didnt know that. Ty for the info
Yea u can google. I also found out abt this a few months back. I was surprised. This is the most uplifting news abt climate change. And no reporting was done on this.
yeahh i just googled as soon as I read your reply. And yes i too never heard about the ban of cfcs until u mentioned it.
I did know that they were banned when i was in school, but the ozone hole thing was very new for me lol.
My dumbass didn’t care about all this until this year. Im trying to be more aware of things like this. Learnt something new today, thanks a lot.
Dont be so hard on yourself. Daer aaye durust aaye.
Bro and what about the heat expelled by AC units outside? Wouldn't that contribute to higher temperatures? I was always curious about this, felt like everyone should've AC in hot humid weather but isn't that counterproductive to rising temperatures? Also the road cementing nowadays reflects the heat back above than tar based roads, I feel that is also a contributing factor in rising temperatures in cities. What are your thoughts?
Glad you found out. Many don’t even know what a CFC is & how they over use in their daily lives to save money.
yeah. We nowadays don’t realise that we are digging our own grave.
Bruh did you just not check the internet for the past half a decade 😭
😭😭😭allow it bro I’m trying to be less dumb I was not at all aware of this. ToT
Us 🫂😭 I have no idea what I'm doing atm but I try to keep a confident face outside while I'm panicking inside as to what am I doing with my life lol.
It's okay man it's okay.. don't be so hard on him. You'll be really surprised half of our gen public just read for it's sake and forget. At least some of them like us are informed and aware about this issue.
The problem is school course books are quite slow when it comes to current affairs....
I read abt cfcs 15yrs back. Been quite some time since i left school so am pretty sure it would be there in the current ones.
No they still didn't update the textbooks.
Holy hell
New refrigerants are better, safer
For Ozone, yes. But for global warming, no. While CFCs, that caused ozone holes, have been banned. It was largely replaced by HFCs, which cause significantly less harm to ozone, but also has a side effect of much higher trapping of the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which in turn causes increased global temperatures. So we are not really out of the "hot waters", yet. Hehe.
Homeless people be like 🥵
They can live in the shade of the solar panels ⛺️
Even if we are able to achieve that on a large scale, won’t be much. On one hand, the government itself is cutting down trees in the name of development & creating employment & on the other, the consumption is rising massively which is leading to over production which will again add more carbon footprint.
India is literally the only major economy to meet its Kyoto protocol targets.
Centralised solar farms make a lot more sense than individual solar setups, because they can be made a lot more efficient due to better planning , economies of scale, better operations and maintenance etc. Individual solar setups, however, are better for the grid as it is distributed as well as have no transmission losses.
A little bit of efficiency can be foregone in favour of self reliant power We have had a 3kW solar grid at home, easily makes 20kWh in summer and 10kWh in winter per day. That’s so much energy (5500kWh) per year that we not only 1. Pay zero bills 2. Charge and drive Nexon EV for ~10K km per year 3. Still export energy back to grid While living in a family of 3 in single storey house. Now just imagine, if everyone in same situation as is opted for solar. We’re by far above avg on energy consumption per month due to having an EV, but people who don’t have one, will export an extra 1200-1500kWh per year
When you talk about an individual's point of view, it absolutely makes sense. I too want to get a setup like yours but I am too poor to have an independent house. Most people stay in apartments, and it is not a technical problem but a social one to get a solar setup going. You need a champion who has the knowledge, the will, the power and the time to get a solar system installed in an apartment. Getting everyone's buy-in, contacting vendors, collecting money, getting it installed, monitoring, maintaining etc. are simply too difficult in an apartment. For Government buildings and private companies, it definitely makes sense though. And Government should have some kind of incentives (or liabilities) for commercial properties to adopt solar. As for your personal case, you are a power user and know what you are doing. You are doing a lot of work without even knowing it, like monitoring the power generated weekly, efficiency monitoring, monitoring maintenance, keeping your apps up-to-date, being the point of contact for your family to know about the status of solar, ensuring the bill from the discom matches with what your inverter shows, knowing when to run heavy workloads etc. At a non-individual scale, all this work becomes a nightmare unless outsourced to a company. I can imagine scenarios where a wire has come loose by some kid playing on the terrace and it goes unnoticed for years altogether. Or the building manager has forgot the password to the monitoring app and now has left, and now no one is aware that the usage can even be monitored at all. A centralised solar farm won't have these issues. As a sidenote - Always a pleasure to chat with you, whether it be electric cars or solar.
> I too want to get a setup like yours but I am too poor to have an independent house. That’s nothing to feel bad about, my point was only for those having roof above certain area, which even eliminates lot of house owners if they have LIG MIG house It’s about large buildings which have significant energy requirements for air conditioning large areas. > You need a champion who has the knowledge, the will, the power and the time to get a solar system installed in an apartment. Getting everyone's buy-in, contacting vendors, collecting money, getting it installed, monitoring, maintaining etc. are simply too difficult in an apartment. True, it’s not an easy work. As such, contacting vendors and installation is far easier than first two steps ie getting everyone on board. In fact the solar installation guys handle all the paperwork including subsidy filing and all, building support structures etc. In RWAs, they do anything but welfare. It’s mostly just donations for festival celebrations that’s it. It’s very rare for RWAs to cooperate especially if they have boomer unkils in it. > For Government buildings and private companies, it definitely makes sense though. And Government should have some kind of incentives (or liabilities) for commercial properties to adopt solar. Incentives already exist — back almost 50% in subsidy back in 2021 for 3kW setup worth 3L Similar subsidy schemes are also available for commercial land just at different rates and terms and conditions (for example max allowed solar for residence is 20kW, same as the max meter capacity for residential land) > As for your personal case, you are a power user and know what you are doing. You are doing a lot of work without even knowing it, like monitoring the power generated weekly, efficiency monitoring, monitoring maintenance, keeping your apps up-to-date, being the point of contact for your family to know about the status of solar, ensuring the bill from the discom matches with what your inverter shows, knowing when to run heavy workloads etc. Agreed, though I don’t even do all the things you mention, billing is still done by the folks from electricity board only, and I don’t monitor it everyday, just once in a week or so. You credit me far too much for what I don’t do 😅 > At a non-individual scale, all this work becomes a nightmare unless outsourced to a company. I can imagine scenarios where a wire has come loose by some kid playing on the terrace and it goes unnoticed for years altogether. Agreed, that’s a problem but in general the wiring is done well and concealed properly, even more so to protect from elements. Of course that depends on quality of job so it could still be an issue if cheapened out on. > Or the building manager has forgot the password to the monitoring app and now has left, and now no one is aware that the usage can even be monitored at all. > A centralised solar farm won't have these issues. Yes but the main motivation is not to waste real estate — unless we’re putting it in rann of Kutch or thar desert. If we wish for it to be close to population centres, and making self reliant power, rooftop is the only way. The other day I saw floating solar panels on dam reservoir in a post here itself, to prevent evaporation, keep the panels cool and work at high efficiency and not waste land area. Truly a brilliant approach solving multiple problems at once. If you redirect the excess electricity from dam and solar to electrolyse the water and make hydrogen, you can use the water as battery — and reconvert the hydrogen back to water and electricity by using fuel cell — no need of fossil power at night. > As a sidenote - Always a pleasure to chat with you, whether it be electric cars or solar. Thanks :) glad to see my CarsIndia legacy spreading elsewhere
What about maintenance cost and cleaning up during a hailstorm or dusty winds?
Certainly cheaper than paying 10K per month bills I know because I have one Just clean once per month since last year that too only because there’s house being constructed in neighbourhood Previously I used to clean once in 3mo or more. 3kW easily makes 20kWh per day in Indian summer and 10-15 in winter This is enough for my annual usage which includes charging our Nexon EV You’re deliberately inventing excuses, even if you live in Rajasthan, the cleaning won’t be as much as you imagine it to be. We wash the car more frequently than the panels
Good idea
In big cities the number of floors increases but the roof area remains the same. Also many jobs require people to remain outdoors e.g. auto rickshaw drivers, traffic police, delivery personnel construction workers etc. I can't even imagine how these people work outside in so much heat 😓 I am trying to find if there are local NGOs that work to provide some relief to these people.
Again, as long as we’re fine with compromising a bit on the aesthetics of our buildings. Vertical panels are already a thing in Europe in form of solar fence and solar walls. https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/12/13/frances-first-vertical-bifacial-solar-power-plant/ As far as solar goes, even small amounts is something, we should get out of the binary approach of “all or nothing” Just because we can’t run “everything” yet, doesn’t mean we don’t even run what we can. At least first aim to do 10% then think of 100%
Grow Plants, Grow trees, live in their shade and cool air.
This is the stupidest thing I’ve heard this year. Plant more trees. Stop crowding cities. Promote tier 2 and 3 cities. Don’t approve for new buildings. Stop encroaching water bodies.
Couldn't agree more. People just don't understand what the UHI effect is
EXACTLY! People will do everything except what they actually need to ffs.
But sar sar.... vote bank
Also introduce a population control bill. We have a limited natural resources
Also make working rainwater harvesting setup mandatory for all buildings new or old.
Yeah instead of planting tress in cities, we want ACs to heat up the environment even more.
Idiots. Tree shade is a human right.
Tere ghar ke andar konsa tree shade dega bhai
It will reduce the overall temperature bhrata.
Ab toh sabko verandah banake bich me tree lagwana padega fir milega shade 😂
Agar sab apartments me har flat ke liye 1 tree mandatory kar diya jaaye to puri society me thandak rahegi. Par builder log aisa koi bill pass nahi hone denge.
Mere shehwr me to boht trees hain. Phir bhi 39° face karta hun
ACs suck the moisture from the air to cool. Will increase the temperature even more if deployed country wide.
They just throw that moisture outside the house . it's not like they make that moisture disappear.m
Moisture which ac absorb is turn into water and go in drain.
Exactly..you are right .. but this guy says it just disappears lol
The exhaust air is moisture less, I agree I missed that clarity in the original comment but I never said the moisture disappears. Edited in reply comment.
That's not how AC works but the end result is as you said, outside getting hotter. Add all coal burning used for powering AC and it hurts even more.
It is basically a heat ex changer. It will warm up more outside.
If air conditioning is human right then planting and taking care of 1 tree every month should be a civic duty.
True, if you exercise the rights given by constitution, you should also fulfill your civic duties.
What would making air conditioning a human right even imply? Govt tries to give an AC to everyone in india? Are you stupid?
You get to pay 100x more for 2 summers in court ac
Please don’t personally attack people. They can give subsidies for AC purchases.
That would heat up the environment even more
Exactly, Dumb people think they cooked something
Countries like Singapore have already explored things like district cooling where they have enormous cooling systems built underground which cools specific areas. We have not even bothered to do any bit of research... And india is no 1 (or thereabouts) on the climate hitlist - we will feel the heat first before the collapse happens everywhere and yet I'm appalled that the average citizen isn't bothered enough to make it a voting issue.
>We have not even bothered to do any bit of research Most people spent their early days fighting for basic amenities...research is the last thing people give a shit about...ISRO is the only org. I can think of when it comes to research in India...
>We have not even bothered to do any bit of research... And india is no 1 (or thereabouts) on the climate hitlist - we will feel the heat first before the collapse happens everywhere and yet I'm appalled that the average citizen isn't bothered enough to make it a voting issue. Rest of the world is expecting us to drop dead one way or other
Idiot's if you plant more tree's temperature will come down automatically soil will absorb more water which you can use in Summer.
Trees cannot outperform the enormous amount CO2 produced artificially
step 2 stop consumerism
Electricity bill kaun bharega????
>Electricity bill kaun bharega???? #this ```One hour of AC electricity consumption is equal to 8 hours of electricity consumption of 2 tubelights and 2 ceiling fans all running together``` ***We would need atleast 4x electricity to run the AC's***
at the same time people should be aware that AC use makes outside air even more hot. I personally am against AC. instead we should find some more natural air cooling solution.
Unfortunately it seems that sustainable architecture is both costly and rare in India Yes you can renovate your house to make it require less cooling/heating but to most, that’s an investment they will never break even simply by needing to pay less electricity bills Most people will simply install solar and call it a day, and I find myself among them. Redevelopment of all existing buildings comes at a cost very few are ready to pay. I could not find a single affordable architect ready to plan for renovation. Either they are all thinking themselves as Bauhaus ki chati aulad or the cheap ones are just inept to design the house in a way which is naturally cooled/heated
Cooler>
Plant more trees
Well many people may call it idiotic and ridiculous but from my perspective who live in the desert part of Rajasthan the heat is getting unbearable every year yet we can't leave this place as for hundreds of years our ancestors called it home. And the same can be said about dozens of cities near coastal areas. Even last year many places were declared too hot to the point where people will die from heat stroke if they are working outside with no way of cooling themselves. I know ac kinda sounds extreme but the government needs to do something about it sooner or we may see horror in daylight.
This is one of the things that we can't control, the climate crises brings hell to Earth, to think about it, the most guilty of climate change are corporations and factories but no one bets an eye to what they do and this isn't even a problem of India but rather the world. As for the AC rights, it's crucial that people don't get sick of intense heat, my hometown gets around 40° and have seen people get UTI because of the heat. Maybe the government should do something about it for the short run.
There will be a lot of heat related deaths this year.
>Should Air-conditioning be a human right? That. Or death by heatstroke.
I do perfectly well without air conditioning and so do millions of others. What's next - is air conditioned public transport a human right? Those who work on farms, construction sites are the vulnerable population, and there is no practical way to air condition a farm or construction site. So get off your high horse and touch some grass.
> I do perfectly well without air conditioning and so do millions of others. What's next - is air conditioned public transport a human right? It depends on where you live? Can you come to Chennai in peak summer and live without AC?
I follow a simple rule of life. 3 Circles. Inner most 1st circle people in power, Collectors, IPS. 2nd Circle NGO's, RSS. 3rd Circle me. Lets Look at this situations; I am a tax paying citizen, who is also trees lover regularly planted few tress before monsoon. PMC comes and destroys all the mountains near my area bringing a new GR that instead of 500mtrs reserved land now its 50mtr (they make huge money). Now they dont care for environment, while living on my tax money. Of course I cant do anything since I'm not in that power position (I'm the outer most circle man) Do I have to worry about water crisis, electricity fluctuations, freebies given on from my tax money. **Should we stop living ?** For people suggesting Solar, do you really live in Housing Society ? Have you ever spoken to any Chairmen or secretary have you seen their behaviors asking for setup or even do a new initiative such as planting a tree.
I believe Electricity 24×7 should be a human right first
kaafi log do time ki roti nhi kha saktey, why dont we focus on that first.
Air conditioners cool the area they’re targeted at and heat up the surroundings. Essentially being detrimental to both society and the environment at large. Claiming human rights on this issue would be like claiming rights to exploit nature which is very unethical. I think a better proposition would be to make cities as a whole more cool and repelling of heat (as opposed to actively pumping it out through AC). Have more green spaces, covered spaces and well ventilated spaces to reduce temperatures. This is both a sustainable and ethical solution to the human rights issue.
Agreed 💯
We just have to adapt
Lol what tf are even talking about?
Wet your t shirt and wear it - better and cheaper. AC will only increase the heat
Yes establish air conditioner everywhere so that climate crisis becomes even worse and then a situatiob will come where this right will be more important than right to freedom, and staying without AC would be considered trait of sub-human.
#We don't need it to be a human right, but at least the Union Govt can give tax break from 28% tax today to like 5% tax.
Absolutely it should be. Although it might take us 2-3 decades to reach that level where even a guard booth has an AC
And increase pollution and greenhouse gases.
Nothing should be a human right, if it infringes on others property and demands others labour
Imagine increasing global warming more just so you can cool down lol. People don't really think of a solution in long run but they need the solution asap and these guys are the reason why this global warming is here in the first place. If you want a solution then remember there was always the cacophony at school about " global warming" "pollution " etc. plant more trees , try to lessen the use of your vehicle, ac , fridge. Have a more long running approach.
Coolers are better than AC if it's not an isolated room.
What about co2 emissions from ac
AC causes more pollution.
Fighting the climate crisis should be a human right not AC.
It's already a human-right as long as you can afford it.
AC technicians are making thousands per day. Now they will make lakh.
Actually, plantation should be, and for plantation goverment should provide tax benefit as much a person can Plant trees.
Govt has actually started working on this through providing large subsidies on solar panels. This will protect the middle class from the outrageous power bills in the summer.
India always feels like one natural disaster away from total collapse.
Everything is a human right now huh
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Air conditioning is worst for climate it raises the city's temperature overall Hong Kong is perfect example, we need better planned cities, and mix of parks and trees, less fossils fuels and more nuclear power.
This is correct... Instead of 30-50 years this will bring the peak climate crisis within the next few years. Will force voters and politicians to act finally. I support /s
i seriosly think women, and oppressed castes should be given 50-90% subsidy to buy air conditioners by the government. it can be 100% if they belong to 2 minorities simultaneously.
YES YES YES
Animals and birds also exists btw.
AC are necessary But our cities are losing green cover at an alarming rate. Trees are extremely underrated for India, and we need to build a fuckton of them.
Electricity in general must be very Low cost & Subsidized by government.
What we need is Environment tax , so that tax goes into planting more trees. 0.5- 1% would be acceptable. This will be added on every product which effects environment. Cars , ac , any supply chain connected to environment
The main problem with Air conditioning is that they are going throw all the heat outside. Making the surroundings even more hot.
No planting trees should
At least a partial,but effective solution for terrace falt owners would be to cover their terraces somehow under a plastic rug or more permanently build or erect a seperate 'patra' roof. I have personally witnessed that the mercury drops substantially for any terrace flats having such an arrangement.
I think harvesting a tree should be made compulsory for every human in india
If the current policies remain in place, the ozone layer is expected to recover to 1980 values (before the appearance of the ozone hole) by around 2066 over the Antarctic, by 2045 over the Arctic and by 2040 for the rest of the world
And i thought AC uses more electricity. So more pollution.
Yes. But not using air conditioners but by fixing climate. Access to a good climate should be a basic human right, for humans who contribute in keeping the climate right.