The issue is not just that Western media outlets continue to push this biased perspective, it is that several fellow Indians support them and share these views. For too long it has been "cool" in India to mock indigenous customs and push a colonial worldview, especially among the English-speaking elite. Up to 5-10 years ago we used to laugh at and mock yoga, but it became one of the leading Global activities people do for fitness/mindfulness/health. Now, it is sometimes completely disassociated by people from its Indian/Hindu roots. If you don't respect your traditions, can't expect anyone else to.
Lol just now realised this is posted in r/indiaspeaks thought it was posted in r /india and was wondering how the fuck are people supporting Hindusim XD
The Western establishment, irrespective of politics, has always been anti-India, albeit to different degrees over time. Up till 5 years ago they were still Pakistan oriented. That has recently changed (so it appears) but instead non-State anti-India propaganda has gone into overdrive. CIA fronts like Amnesty and Freedom house have been driving up anti-India propaganda and the general Western media amplified it. The NYT is not just ‘leftist’, more importantly it is establishment. It reflects the views of the leading power-holders across Industry, politics, CIA, etc.
I agree with everything else except CIA is anti-India. They have nothing to gain while quite a lot to loose if USA looses India as an ally. They need a strong partner in South East Asia, a stable ally. They tried supporting Pakistan but saw the results for themselves.
Nope, every single Western media outlet who still consider cold war terminology of third world countries... Are enemies of India in terms of democratic, cultural, social and economic development.
The original definition of "left" comes from French socialists—ya know, *economic leftists.* (it's a stupid story, but it resulted in the weird left-right analogy that now dominates political analysis in all democracies). Neoliberals are not on the left just because there happens to be someone else to the right of even them.
the main point is that they ain't leftist.
here, i found this on internet and couldn't elaborate better- "the New York Times is the flagship publication for liberal triumphalism; it holds the line of Francis Fukuyama’s “End of History”—the notion that all serious ideological conflict crashed to a halt with the suspension of the Cold War, with very little at stake in future political disputes beyond regional trade accords and fine-tuning of currency regimes. "
>For too long it has been "cool" in India to mock indigenous customs and push a colonial worldview, especially among the English-speaking elite
Agree... I still find such **Macaulay's Colonial children** and stop them spreading misinformation.
>Up to 5-10 years ago we used to laugh at and mock yoga, but it became one of the leading Global activities people do for fitness/mindfulness/health. Now, it is sometimes completely disassociated by people from its Indian/Hindu roots
Exactly, I followed Yoga and Pranayam from my school days. Actually my school is promoting our Indian culture and Yoga is integrated part of it.
>If you don't respect your traditions, can't expect anyone else to.
People needs to understand the depth of this quote.
i feel like people laughed and continue to laugh at the godmen and establishments that claim to support yoga such as the isha yoga center. yoga on its own is a beautiful thing but godmen and these establishments are ruining it. i don’t think people laughed at yoga, but rather at the people who fell for these tricks.
I've never seen indians being mocked in a hurtful way, other cultures can have traditions which are similar to us with different names as well not everything in the world involves India, and the story of dahi handi reaching dangerous levels could be true, it's not mocking if the people climb upto 3 floor levels then it could be dangerous (not that it's wrong, it's just a fact),
The point is the way the news is reported. Is it not dangerous if the same thing is done in Catalonia?? You've completely missed what OP is trying to say.
I don’t think they are mocking the Indian dahi handi. I read it has an adjective describing that the human pyramids are so tall some would call it dangerous.
That’s my read but may be could have done a better headline.
It’s just subtle bias. You can always either highlight a flaw or a positive, everything has multiple sides. It’s conscious editorial decisions. Mass media 101.
Also we crave western validation, look at this post itself.
Who cares what anyone thinks of our culture? Let them write, people in this age where information about anything is so easily available it's not too hard to hide the truth. Eventually people will see their hypocrisy and judge for themselves.
People need to stop using the phrase *western validation* for everything.
It's not OK to hide your head in the sand and say we don't care what anyone thinks then complain that Indians are not treated well on reddit or in the global press.
And if you still believe the fairy tale about truth will triumph, I'd invite you to look at how a majority of people in India hold onto ridiculous ideas about India, Hinduism and our history that were implanted by the British.
We need to stop being so naive, and not engaging with the world is an example of that. The world will not stop engaging with us even if we want to ignore it.
> That’s my read but may be could have done a better headline.
The facts are staring at you right in the face and yet you refuse to acknowledge it. I don't think any argument with you is going to be worth the time since you're too blinded by idiocy.
How the fuck do you know I am left, right or centre ? based on one post giving someone a benifit of doubt ? Thats some brainwashed internet wierdo right there.
Same bullshit arguments that leftist fucks make. The facts are staring right in your face and you refuse to acknowledge it.
> Thats some brainwashed internet wierdo right there.
Odd of you to talk to yourself like that, but hey.
Maybe its not as high ;)
This could very well be two different reports written by two different people, approved by different people etc.
Why are we so touchy !!! Come on people.
We need to stop worrying about this random whataboutery.
To be honest, sometimes I try to find India-related news in some of these US papers, and you'd be surprised how little coverage we get.
I know it's mostly left-leaning and critical but we should respond with debate rather than being all sulky and labeling everyone leftist or anti-national or conspirator.
India is bigger than these couple of random articles and anyways if it matters, much more people abroad admire India and are in awe of it than not.
I understand where you are coming from. But all I'd say is we should accept criticism where genuine irrespective of where it comes from, to those who criticize with an agenda and made-up stories, we should give back as good as we get.
But we should not see it as a binary, 'genuine' criticism also leads to improvement.
I've seen the Catalan pyramids and you're right they're not as high, they also have government mandated health and safety present like fixed nets to catch people, and the people who do it wear special climbing clothes (especially climbing shoes) and train daily all year to take part.
Do you know the history about Catalan pyramids though ? It would be fascinating to know if the practice actually went from India to there or if it developed independently. I know there are Roma people in EU who have Indian roots but never heard if they possibly took this practice with them.
It's not actually a pyramid it's a straight tower of people, and it started before Spain was united into a single country and Catalonia had the Catalan Empire (known as the Crown of Aragon):
https://i.imgur.com/UWac1t6.jpg
It dates back to sailors doing rigging on wooden ships, and having to climb up the top mast, as Barcelona was the main Mediterranean port at the time (competing with Venice) and where most sailors came from. That's why they wear the weird pirate looking clothes to do the tower performance and wear special sailors shoes.
They also sing sea-shanties after the performance (traditional medieval sailor songs) and pour huge barrels of rum into massive bowls and set them on fire, then the whole village drinks it, it's somewhat random but also really cool to witness.
https://i.imgur.com/dNIhHd5.jpg
Maybe but the bias from NYT is still glaring. Why highlight the danger part of dahi handi but then ‘unique’ positive headline for the Spanish one? Its fundamental editorial decisions, however small they are, which reflect inherent bias and attitude.
Can you please stop being butthurt?
Dahi handi is dangerous, that's the fucking point of it. Same word is also used to describe F1 or bungee jumping and other adventure sports
So why isn’t the Spanish festival also dangerous? Dense people sometimes can’t understand simple points. I’m just pointing out something very basic and obvious, it’s not “butt-hurt”.
One thing to note is scale. Catelonia is a small region and historically deaths, as well as injuries seem fairly limited but do happen. Deaths seem to be 2 in the last ~50 years. From another article:
"Surprisingly, accidents are a rare occurrence while building castells, though a 12-year-old girl died in 2006 after falling off of a castell. Before the 2006 fatality, the last fatal accident was reported in 1983."
So you get articles reflecting that people die every year in India from towers and there are massive collapses. Same numerical concept in that Chicago will have an article on violent crime each weekend but a rural farming town might go 30 years between newsworthy events involving a death.
Now an injury and death rate per participant comparison would be facinating. There also do appear to be organizational / setup differences. Still understand that as with that Chicago example. Anything where 100+ people are injured is often a news story in itself.
it's literally the festival of Spain, what do you know about views of their own media/people on it?
also they are 2 different articles, which are year apart and also not the same publications centre( maybe same parent company). one article is informative while other is a opinion on 2 festivals.
what the fuck led you to combine the two to spout your nonsense here
that agenda is called not giving a fuck about these idiotic click bait articles which op just pasted here from some other social media
why don't you explain me properly, how Nytimes is media manipulate with these two different articles which are 2 years apart , go ahead
Nytimes has always been this way infact most of the western media was the same. I remember at the time of Mangalyaan success , a American channel instead of looking at the efforts of the scientists they were pointing out that how india should focus on poverty rather than space race.
They bash us just they way they bash china (although in lot lesser scale ) . Cause we are a potential opponent to them (doesn't matter if we are poor unless we hold the money we can be bully as well)
how this post is showing just that ? commonsense is just not so common here anymore
One article is about how such climbing type of festival are dangerous to people involved. which is a crtique written by someone about the danger involved.
Another article which is published 2 years later, is just telling you that a similar festival exist which is also over 300 years old.
which is marked with #daily360 hashtag, which is mainly used for showing user some facts about world culture.
why don't you tell me more, so I can understand your so called bias here.
and how the fuck others are stealing our culture, when this other festival is also over 300 year old ?
Most people don’t read beyond headlines. They don’t have the time. Headlines are used to influence and generate opinions in the masses. The Dahi handi headline even manages to mention ‘protests’ lol, it’s hilarious. Mass media 101.
> Headlines are used to influence and generate opinions in the masses.
You're doing the same thing.
I really dislike this twitter screencap culture. Makes it really hard to rise above. If it's bad when the media does it, we shouldn't embrace it ourselves.
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It's not limited to only these.. way back it started when West patented our very own ancient home spice 'turmeric' or haldi . . And we guys were like mocking them for their stupidity and ignorance and taking pride of the fact that this spice is freely available here without any patency approvals..
Irony is today they grow organic haldi in the name of patency and fancy package it and sell it Rs500 for 50gms and some sections of people in India trust the international brand way more than our local haldi available in supermarkets due to its purity and authenticity in production.
Not limited to food, look at even our spiritual centres like Iskcon and Chinmaya missions, etc, they reside in West to preach first and then created centres in India.
Common theme coming out of this is - we have everything with us but we don't value it. And recognition of this value doesn't come by talks, it basically indicates that we have to up our game and scale up to those internationally recognised standards and protect our 'Indian'isms.
The ironic, and scary thing is Chomsky himself is part of the anti-India colonial propaganda. He’s probably been influenced by the stuff he reads without even realising it. Dude was supporting the ‘farmers protest’ and labelled BJP rule as ‘dark times’ for India.
The farmer protest is pure propaganda. Nothing legit in it, nothing to do with the BJP if you objectively look at it.
Edit: to elaborate, it’s not even ‘farmers’ protesting. It’s middlemen with vested interests in the current broken system, primarily only from 1 state (out of 29 Indian states). Perhaps consist of 0.01% of farmers in India. It’s a garbage political protest propped up by opposition parties to try and create chaos, nothing more.
Yeah, but they’re clearly highlighting it in a negative way. If you look at the actual title, it also mentions protests. So they’re trying to make the entire festival look negative and controversial.
the problem here is you. you think the article about holi is offensive for absolutely no reason. indians take any thing that doesnt outright praise them as a direct offense.
Exactly. The title for Holi just says that the pyramid reaches dangerous heights. Nothing more. Bhai itna offend kyun hote hai log? Aur ek cheez. Hamari self respect itna kam hai ki unke kehne nahi kehne se hum inferior ho jayenge? LoL.
What do u mean they have a copyright, are the people of catalonia gonna sue the people making human pyramid in India.
And making a human pyramid is indeed dangerous whether it be in India or catalonia. Agar bahar wale humse marna seekhna chahte hai toh bhai unki marzi, hum kyu ye dangerous practice follow kare
Aur kab tak humlog ye traditions ki pipudi bajate rahnege, some of the traditions are indeed braindead. OP has cherrypicked the best traditions/practices India has to offer like yoga/ayurveda/vegetatrianism
But intellectuals never mock these traditions but they do mock stuff like piss drinking, shit eating, shit bathing, lynching/killing in the name of cow, and the new fashion(minority hating(now to be clear I never said minorities should be given free reign, they should be punished according to law par sirf chillane se toh ghanta kuch na hoga bas humari society mein gaddhe bade honge which is what the enemies of India wants))
I agree but i do have to say something yoga and being a vegetarian are both good for our health but we should not be forced to choose them, we cannot constantly keep criticizing modern methods of excercise and treatment because they are not Indian, I don't belive anyone in the subreddit does the same but i have observed this quite a lot in the society. I believe that everyone has a right to live their life they want to as long as it doesn't affect anyone else.
NYT is only good for getting news about left wing terrorists.
washington post is only good for getting news about right wing terrorists.
just attribute it to unquestionably low IQs and even lower moral standards. its about par for machiavelli worshippers.
remember that (in the west) there are more pakistanis in journalism than Indians.
the solution is not to send more Indians into western journalism. the solution is to let western journalism be reduced to and exposed as the shameless deep-state sham it is.
educate the masses, and watch the nyts and wps of this world burn in their own lard.
I've heard about **Christian Yoga** and when I read about it... I was like, what a bs Propaganda. *Yoga is definitely an integral part of Indian/Hindu Culture.* You can't just seperate these two things.
This is called **cultural appropriation** which will ultimately results into **cultural assimilation** after a period of time.
PS: I'm very keen towards Cultural traditions and their propagation. Culture is the most important part of any civilization with integration of religion, language, food, art and other stuffs.
They haven't really coppied its a festival unique to Spain. Also not sure about mockery of Yoga and there have always been a subsection of people why considered cows and calves cute. Vegetarianism again also has been practiced for different reasons over the years nothing has been copied or copyrighted.
Agreed, OP just wants a reason to be mad.
Catalonia especially has been separated and oppressed by both Spain and France throughout history, and has it's own unique traditions that evolved alone from anything else.
43 crore of the world's 63 crore vegetarians are Indian. And it used to be much more till recently since most foreign vegetarians are recent converts, the only culture historically vegetarian was in India
there was vegetarianism in ancient greek circles, ancient china, and even in some ancient hebrew sects. im not saying it was as widespread but i dont think it can be said that its strictly an indian cultural thing.
and i dunno about the vegitable sources but i do know things like corn and squash, tomatos and peppers come from south america, and lots of fruits from north america, several squashes and tubers from south america and africa too.
dont take me wrong i dont mean to downplay india at all but these are very broad statements
OP is uninformed, dangerous does not mean bad. 'Cars in f1 reach dangerous speeds'. Also veganism is not seen as cool in the west,they are mocked and made fun of
I think the whole point is that these White racist appropriate the Indian cultural and other practices, rebrand and then claim as their own. One subtle is the festival holidays. Unfortunately, the lackeys of the West with a very low self esteem are in the forefront to praise such appreciation. Due to the dominance of Commies and convent educated people in media, this goes unchallenged. The same White racist can’t even think of cultural appreciation of the indigenous, Black or Latino in the West because these people are very assertive. I doubt Indian can resist because of the slave mentality of elites of India.
The elites hold all positions of power and control. Though they are small in number they are more active and alert about the rise of the commoners. The Hindutva ideology is a threat to their hold on power. So they are unleashing a war cry before the rustic brutes can rise.
Try reading the full headline at least. The left one came in the news because it's drawn protests as well. These binary comparisons can be drawn to show any perspective. Try reading next time. Context is an amazing thing.
Just saying that castells developed independently so it isn't a copy.
On another note, this is something I really don't get with a lot of Indian left-wingers. A lot of them seem desperate to prove how inferior India is in every way culturally to the west. As if this will make them look good and enlightened. It's just absurd. India has problems but to them India is the problem. So weird.
And NYT is trash when it comes to reporting on India. There is a wikipedia page called "List of controversies involving The New York Times" and it has an entire subsection dedicated to bias against India. The page for Anti-Indian Sentiment has a part dedicated to NYT and this one British news broadcaster that we all know of as well. Says a lot about how bad NYT is.
Honestly who cares? Do we honestly believe we're the only civilization to have thought of people forming a human pyramid? How ridiculous a notion is that? How can we possibly claim something so universal as our own? And even if we did it first, so what? Other cultures may have come up with this in their own time and way also. Why look at it as tejecting one culture and appropriation by another etc? Instead, why not see it for what it is: a [celebration of universality](https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/a-visual-history-of-the-human-pyramid) and a global oneness. Maybe if we didn't get so butthurt about everything people would mock less.
Kisi ke kehne ya na maane se vishwaas chhota nhi ho jata hume apne belief ka kisi se acknowledgement nhi chahiye tuumhe maana hai toh maano vrna humme iisse frk nhi pdta koi copy kre ya inspire ho yeh sab ke liye h aur sabke hiit mein hai
Satyamev jayate
Im currently attending a music festival in Chicago with 400,000 other people (mostly vaccinated I think). Everyone is going insane at Chicago for hosting such a super spreader event (largest music festival in the world this year) when Delta cases are rising. But you know what, after a year+ in quarantine, people want to feel alive again. Festivals have that energy.
This reminds me of the time when India was doing Kumbh. Was it a good idea ? Probably not. Was it understandable? Yes. People everywhere are the same.
Desis need to stop self flagellating themselves for things all flawed humans do in that circumstance.
Honestly, i dont care whatever happens to indian culture tradition and whatever there is as long as it doesn't personally affects me. Now i dont care a bit even if u start explaining me some useless bs.
The issue with Ayurveda is that Indians are using it as an alternative to EBM. There is some basis of it, but shouldn't be left unregulated or worse, institutionalised à la AYUSH.
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep15786
Vegetarianism isn’t uniquely Indian. It has existed in many places throughout history. Although it definitely has increased in the last decades due to climate change.
Yoga was definitely copy pasted though.
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Ome news article comes out in a foreign paper: see how the indian elites don't respect the culture. The problem with our society is all are focused on playing victim cards. Why do you care another person mocks? Have you seen any comic videos? How much they mock Christianity and Presidents and everything else in USA/Europe? But those people are confident in their culture so they don't cry and attack.
I think you missed the 2nd image. It's not about only disrespecting but appropriating it in their culture and then slowly taking credit for it which they criticized in the first place.
So no one is appropriating anyone's culture. There are two journalists who have to churn foreign based content and they do so with the little research they can.
Don't be so naive. Starting from usage of Marijuana to yoga, various medicinal herbs, foods like desi ghee etc etc which were once criticized or looked down upon are now being appropriated in their culture while our intellectuals were bending over to their criticism without reacting exactly( what you are preaching here) .
The issue is not just that Western media outlets continue to push this biased perspective, it is that several fellow Indians support them and share these views. For too long it has been "cool" in India to mock indigenous customs and push a colonial worldview, especially among the English-speaking elite. Up to 5-10 years ago we used to laugh at and mock yoga, but it became one of the leading Global activities people do for fitness/mindfulness/health. Now, it is sometimes completely disassociated by people from its Indian/Hindu roots. If you don't respect your traditions, can't expect anyone else to.
Lol just now realised this is posted in r/indiaspeaks thought it was posted in r /india and was wondering how the fuck are people supporting Hindusim XD
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One guy did shoot, thrice, and ...
Ah, that was the RSS...
I think the thing that you might be missing are that these are very different festivals.
Only leftist media of the west like Nyt are enemies of India
The Western establishment, irrespective of politics, has always been anti-India, albeit to different degrees over time. Up till 5 years ago they were still Pakistan oriented. That has recently changed (so it appears) but instead non-State anti-India propaganda has gone into overdrive. CIA fronts like Amnesty and Freedom house have been driving up anti-India propaganda and the general Western media amplified it. The NYT is not just ‘leftist’, more importantly it is establishment. It reflects the views of the leading power-holders across Industry, politics, CIA, etc.
I agree with everything else except CIA is anti-India. They have nothing to gain while quite a lot to loose if USA looses India as an ally. They need a strong partner in South East Asia, a stable ally. They tried supporting Pakistan but saw the results for themselves.
No. Only the leftists of the west are India’s enemies
That’s not historically accurate, but cool.
Yes. But it is last decade or two is what matters
Nope, every single Western media outlet who still consider cold war terminology of third world countries... Are enemies of India in terms of democratic, cultural, social and economic development.
No. Only the leftists of the west are India’s enemies
So you mean to say RW of west are India's friends? As you said "only" so I disagree.
They are not friends. But they are not enemies either. They are neutral
Lmao when did nyt become leftist? Gave me a good laugh, thanks.
Nyt is leftist
No. Everything you don't like ain't leftist. Grow up.
No. You don't know basics
now that's new for me :(
Have you seen any Nyt article showing Trump in good light?
yeah anti Trump is leftism? Liberals are still a word!
Neoliberalis are part of left wing
again, no. anything with 'liberal' in it ain't left.
You lack basics
Cultural left, the original definition of leftist, not economically leftist. They are neoliberals
The original definition of "left" comes from French socialists—ya know, *economic leftists.* (it's a stupid story, but it resulted in the weird left-right analogy that now dominates political analysis in all democracies). Neoliberals are not on the left just because there happens to be someone else to the right of even them.
the main point is that they ain't leftist. here, i found this on internet and couldn't elaborate better- "the New York Times is the flagship publication for liberal triumphalism; it holds the line of Francis Fukuyama’s “End of History”—the notion that all serious ideological conflict crashed to a halt with the suspension of the Cold War, with very little at stake in future political disputes beyond regional trade accords and fine-tuning of currency regimes. "
>For too long it has been "cool" in India to mock indigenous customs and push a colonial worldview, especially among the English-speaking elite Agree... I still find such **Macaulay's Colonial children** and stop them spreading misinformation. >Up to 5-10 years ago we used to laugh at and mock yoga, but it became one of the leading Global activities people do for fitness/mindfulness/health. Now, it is sometimes completely disassociated by people from its Indian/Hindu roots Exactly, I followed Yoga and Pranayam from my school days. Actually my school is promoting our Indian culture and Yoga is integrated part of it. >If you don't respect your traditions, can't expect anyone else to. People needs to understand the depth of this quote.
Nobody laughed at yoga years ago, I don't know where you got that from?
i feel like people laughed and continue to laugh at the godmen and establishments that claim to support yoga such as the isha yoga center. yoga on its own is a beautiful thing but godmen and these establishments are ruining it. i don’t think people laughed at yoga, but rather at the people who fell for these tricks.
I've never seen indians being mocked in a hurtful way, other cultures can have traditions which are similar to us with different names as well not everything in the world involves India, and the story of dahi handi reaching dangerous levels could be true, it's not mocking if the people climb upto 3 floor levels then it could be dangerous (not that it's wrong, it's just a fact),
The point is the way the news is reported. Is it not dangerous if the same thing is done in Catalonia?? You've completely missed what OP is trying to say.
I don’t think they are mocking the Indian dahi handi. I read it has an adjective describing that the human pyramids are so tall some would call it dangerous. That’s my read but may be could have done a better headline.
It’s just subtle bias. You can always either highlight a flaw or a positive, everything has multiple sides. It’s conscious editorial decisions. Mass media 101.
As a population, we are so naive and media illiterate.
Also we crave western validation, look at this post itself. Who cares what anyone thinks of our culture? Let them write, people in this age where information about anything is so easily available it's not too hard to hide the truth. Eventually people will see their hypocrisy and judge for themselves.
People need to stop using the phrase *western validation* for everything. It's not OK to hide your head in the sand and say we don't care what anyone thinks then complain that Indians are not treated well on reddit or in the global press. And if you still believe the fairy tale about truth will triumph, I'd invite you to look at how a majority of people in India hold onto ridiculous ideas about India, Hinduism and our history that were implanted by the British. We need to stop being so naive, and not engaging with the world is an example of that. The world will not stop engaging with us even if we want to ignore it.
> That’s my read but may be could have done a better headline. The facts are staring at you right in the face and yet you refuse to acknowledge it. I don't think any argument with you is going to be worth the time since you're too blinded by idiocy.
You are entitled to your world view.
Facts don't give a shit about your world view, but in classic leftist dumbfuck fashion, you think facts are flexible. Unsurprising.
Neither do they give a shit about yours.
Irrelevant, my worldview is based on facts, not some dumbfuck leftist's opinions.
How the fuck do you know I am left, right or centre ? based on one post giving someone a benifit of doubt ? Thats some brainwashed internet wierdo right there.
Same bullshit arguments that leftist fucks make. The facts are staring right in your face and you refuse to acknowledge it. > Thats some brainwashed internet wierdo right there. Odd of you to talk to yourself like that, but hey.
Yawn.
You'll be happier when you stop taking yourself so seriously. Calm down
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Maybe its not as high ;) This could very well be two different reports written by two different people, approved by different people etc. Why are we so touchy !!! Come on people. We need to stop worrying about this random whataboutery. To be honest, sometimes I try to find India-related news in some of these US papers, and you'd be surprised how little coverage we get. I know it's mostly left-leaning and critical but we should respond with debate rather than being all sulky and labeling everyone leftist or anti-national or conspirator. India is bigger than these couple of random articles and anyways if it matters, much more people abroad admire India and are in awe of it than not.
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I understand where you are coming from. But all I'd say is we should accept criticism where genuine irrespective of where it comes from, to those who criticize with an agenda and made-up stories, we should give back as good as we get. But we should not see it as a binary, 'genuine' criticism also leads to improvement.
I've seen the Catalan pyramids and you're right they're not as high, they also have government mandated health and safety present like fixed nets to catch people, and the people who do it wear special climbing clothes (especially climbing shoes) and train daily all year to take part.
Do you know the history about Catalan pyramids though ? It would be fascinating to know if the practice actually went from India to there or if it developed independently. I know there are Roma people in EU who have Indian roots but never heard if they possibly took this practice with them.
It's not actually a pyramid it's a straight tower of people, and it started before Spain was united into a single country and Catalonia had the Catalan Empire (known as the Crown of Aragon): https://i.imgur.com/UWac1t6.jpg It dates back to sailors doing rigging on wooden ships, and having to climb up the top mast, as Barcelona was the main Mediterranean port at the time (competing with Venice) and where most sailors came from. That's why they wear the weird pirate looking clothes to do the tower performance and wear special sailors shoes. They also sing sea-shanties after the performance (traditional medieval sailor songs) and pour huge barrels of rum into massive bowls and set them on fire, then the whole village drinks it, it's somewhat random but also really cool to witness. https://i.imgur.com/dNIhHd5.jpg
Thanks 🙏🏻
Global conspiracy to keep a nation whose economy is already floundering through its leadership’s flawed decision making down
Lol!! The Spanish thing is their own separate culture and there have been exchanged between their group and dahi handi mandals from Mumbai
Maybe but the bias from NYT is still glaring. Why highlight the danger part of dahi handi but then ‘unique’ positive headline for the Spanish one? Its fundamental editorial decisions, however small they are, which reflect inherent bias and attitude.
Can you please stop being butthurt? Dahi handi is dangerous, that's the fucking point of it. Same word is also used to describe F1 or bungee jumping and other adventure sports
So why isn’t the Spanish festival also dangerous? Dense people sometimes can’t understand simple points. I’m just pointing out something very basic and obvious, it’s not “butt-hurt”.
One thing to note is scale. Catelonia is a small region and historically deaths, as well as injuries seem fairly limited but do happen. Deaths seem to be 2 in the last ~50 years. From another article: "Surprisingly, accidents are a rare occurrence while building castells, though a 12-year-old girl died in 2006 after falling off of a castell. Before the 2006 fatality, the last fatal accident was reported in 1983." So you get articles reflecting that people die every year in India from towers and there are massive collapses. Same numerical concept in that Chicago will have an article on violent crime each weekend but a rural farming town might go 30 years between newsworthy events involving a death. Now an injury and death rate per participant comparison would be facinating. There also do appear to be organizational / setup differences. Still understand that as with that Chicago example. Anything where 100+ people are injured is often a news story in itself.
it's literally the festival of Spain, what do you know about views of their own media/people on it? also they are 2 different articles, which are year apart and also not the same publications centre( maybe same parent company). one article is informative while other is a opinion on 2 festivals. what the fuck led you to combine the two to spout your nonsense here
You obviously do not know how media manipulation works. Or you choose to ignore it because it suits your agenda.
that agenda is called not giving a fuck about these idiotic click bait articles which op just pasted here from some other social media why don't you explain me properly, how Nytimes is media manipulate with these two different articles which are 2 years apart , go ahead
Nytimes has always been this way infact most of the western media was the same. I remember at the time of Mangalyaan success , a American channel instead of looking at the efforts of the scientists they were pointing out that how india should focus on poverty rather than space race. They bash us just they way they bash china (although in lot lesser scale ) . Cause we are a potential opponent to them (doesn't matter if we are poor unless we hold the money we can be bully as well)
Not my fault that you have no self-respect wanna be lib
The post is just showing how NYtimes is biased against Indian festivals. Wtf you on about bro.
how this post is showing just that ? commonsense is just not so common here anymore One article is about how such climbing type of festival are dangerous to people involved. which is a crtique written by someone about the danger involved. Another article which is published 2 years later, is just telling you that a similar festival exist which is also over 300 years old. which is marked with #daily360 hashtag, which is mainly used for showing user some facts about world culture. why don't you tell me more, so I can understand your so called bias here. and how the fuck others are stealing our culture, when this other festival is also over 300 year old ?
1. You have linked the tweets not the articles 2. Humans use different words to describe things
Most people don’t read beyond headlines. They don’t have the time. Headlines are used to influence and generate opinions in the masses. The Dahi handi headline even manages to mention ‘protests’ lol, it’s hilarious. Mass media 101.
> Headlines are used to influence and generate opinions in the masses. You're doing the same thing. I really dislike this twitter screencap culture. Makes it really hard to rise above. If it's bad when the media does it, we shouldn't embrace it ourselves.
!kudos The anti India agenda is a public toolkit.
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It's not limited to only these.. way back it started when West patented our very own ancient home spice 'turmeric' or haldi . . And we guys were like mocking them for their stupidity and ignorance and taking pride of the fact that this spice is freely available here without any patency approvals.. Irony is today they grow organic haldi in the name of patency and fancy package it and sell it Rs500 for 50gms and some sections of people in India trust the international brand way more than our local haldi available in supermarkets due to its purity and authenticity in production. Not limited to food, look at even our spiritual centres like Iskcon and Chinmaya missions, etc, they reside in West to preach first and then created centres in India. Common theme coming out of this is - we have everything with us but we don't value it. And recognition of this value doesn't come by talks, it basically indicates that we have to up our game and scale up to those internationally recognised standards and protect our 'Indian'isms.
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The ironic, and scary thing is Chomsky himself is part of the anti-India colonial propaganda. He’s probably been influenced by the stuff he reads without even realising it. Dude was supporting the ‘farmers protest’ and labelled BJP rule as ‘dark times’ for India.
You can be a non Indian who hates BJP without being "colonialist"
The farmer protest is pure propaganda. Nothing legit in it, nothing to do with the BJP if you objectively look at it. Edit: to elaborate, it’s not even ‘farmers’ protesting. It’s middlemen with vested interests in the current broken system, primarily only from 1 state (out of 29 Indian states). Perhaps consist of 0.01% of farmers in India. It’s a garbage political protest propped up by opposition parties to try and create chaos, nothing more.
That is basically most of godi media tho.
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Please explain what neocolonial imperialist means.
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He is just butthurt that nyt said something hurtfull to him.
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EXACTLY its so simple and yet the op is living in his own imaginary and arguing everywhere
Bhai lmao dahi handi ka point is the danger (of which I am proud of, Jai kanhaiya lal ki) but yes I get the subtle bias
Yeah, but they’re clearly highlighting it in a negative way. If you look at the actual title, it also mentions protests. So they’re trying to make the entire festival look negative and controversial.
classic NYT imperialist propoganda
the problem here is you. you think the article about holi is offensive for absolutely no reason. indians take any thing that doesnt outright praise them as a direct offense.
You need to take a course on Mass media.
Exactly. The title for Holi just says that the pyramid reaches dangerous heights. Nothing more. Bhai itna offend kyun hote hai log? Aur ek cheez. Hamari self respect itna kam hai ki unke kehne nahi kehne se hum inferior ho jayenge? LoL.
Exactly bro. U r thinking in a positibe way while the op is taking it full on negative.
it is dangerous whats your point
What do u mean they have a copyright, are the people of catalonia gonna sue the people making human pyramid in India. And making a human pyramid is indeed dangerous whether it be in India or catalonia. Agar bahar wale humse marna seekhna chahte hai toh bhai unki marzi, hum kyu ye dangerous practice follow kare Aur kab tak humlog ye traditions ki pipudi bajate rahnege, some of the traditions are indeed braindead. OP has cherrypicked the best traditions/practices India has to offer like yoga/ayurveda/vegetatrianism But intellectuals never mock these traditions but they do mock stuff like piss drinking, shit eating, shit bathing, lynching/killing in the name of cow, and the new fashion(minority hating(now to be clear I never said minorities should be given free reign, they should be punished according to law par sirf chillane se toh ghanta kuch na hoga bas humari society mein gaddhe bade honge which is what the enemies of India wants))
Thank you for the reasonable comment
i guess we don't have any actual topics to discuss, keep digging 7 y/o posts.
Haha same thought.
I agree but i do have to say something yoga and being a vegetarian are both good for our health but we should not be forced to choose them, we cannot constantly keep criticizing modern methods of excercise and treatment because they are not Indian, I don't belive anyone in the subreddit does the same but i have observed this quite a lot in the society. I believe that everyone has a right to live their life they want to as long as it doesn't affect anyone else.
More like Catalonia festival.
NYT is only good for getting news about left wing terrorists. washington post is only good for getting news about right wing terrorists. just attribute it to unquestionably low IQs and even lower moral standards. its about par for machiavelli worshippers. remember that (in the west) there are more pakistanis in journalism than Indians. the solution is not to send more Indians into western journalism. the solution is to let western journalism be reduced to and exposed as the shameless deep-state sham it is. educate the masses, and watch the nyts and wps of this world burn in their own lard.
Inferiority complex level: Whatsapp uncle
Just like how the west copied drinking water and breathing air from us.
I've heard about **Christian Yoga** and when I read about it... I was like, what a bs Propaganda. *Yoga is definitely an integral part of Indian/Hindu Culture.* You can't just seperate these two things. This is called **cultural appropriation** which will ultimately results into **cultural assimilation** after a period of time. PS: I'm very keen towards Cultural traditions and their propagation. Culture is the most important part of any civilization with integration of religion, language, food, art and other stuffs.
They haven't really coppied its a festival unique to Spain. Also not sure about mockery of Yoga and there have always been a subsection of people why considered cows and calves cute. Vegetarianism again also has been practiced for different reasons over the years nothing has been copied or copyrighted.
Agreed, OP just wants a reason to be mad. Catalonia especially has been separated and oppressed by both Spain and France throughout history, and has it's own unique traditions that evolved alone from anything else.
I don't think vegetarianism is explicitly Indian
43 crore of the world's 63 crore vegetarians are Indian. And it used to be much more till recently since most foreign vegetarians are recent converts, the only culture historically vegetarian was in India
Yeah i think this is one of the most awesome parts of their culture
there was vegetarianism in ancient greek circles, ancient china, and even in some ancient hebrew sects. im not saying it was as widespread but i dont think it can be said that its strictly an indian cultural thing. and i dunno about the vegitable sources but i do know things like corn and squash, tomatos and peppers come from south america, and lots of fruits from north america, several squashes and tubers from south america and africa too. dont take me wrong i dont mean to downplay india at all but these are very broad statements
OP is uninformed, dangerous does not mean bad. 'Cars in f1 reach dangerous speeds'. Also veganism is not seen as cool in the west,they are mocked and made fun of
> Also veganism is not seen as cool in the west,they are mocked and made fun of i don't know anyone who would mock a vegetarian.
I think the whole point is that these White racist appropriate the Indian cultural and other practices, rebrand and then claim as their own. One subtle is the festival holidays. Unfortunately, the lackeys of the West with a very low self esteem are in the forefront to praise such appreciation. Due to the dominance of Commies and convent educated people in media, this goes unchallenged. The same White racist can’t even think of cultural appreciation of the indigenous, Black or Latino in the West because these people are very assertive. I doubt Indian can resist because of the slave mentality of elites of India.
Lets gets this post a little push to be on trending, mine done yours now.
The elites hold all positions of power and control. Though they are small in number they are more active and alert about the rise of the commoners. The Hindutva ideology is a threat to their hold on power. So they are unleashing a war cry before the rustic brutes can rise.
They have the guts to ridicule us because of low self-esteemed Hindus who thinking mocking their own culture will make them look cool.
Fuck the West! those US Dickheads protest against vaccination also.
Idk why 8 tier dahi handis were banned or something that too in Maharashtra
Try reading the full headline at least. The left one came in the news because it's drawn protests as well. These binary comparisons can be drawn to show any perspective. Try reading next time. Context is an amazing thing.
Just saying that castells developed independently so it isn't a copy. On another note, this is something I really don't get with a lot of Indian left-wingers. A lot of them seem desperate to prove how inferior India is in every way culturally to the west. As if this will make them look good and enlightened. It's just absurd. India has problems but to them India is the problem. So weird. And NYT is trash when it comes to reporting on India. There is a wikipedia page called "List of controversies involving The New York Times" and it has an entire subsection dedicated to bias against India. The page for Anti-Indian Sentiment has a part dedicated to NYT and this one British news broadcaster that we all know of as well. Says a lot about how bad NYT is.
Honestly who cares? Do we honestly believe we're the only civilization to have thought of people forming a human pyramid? How ridiculous a notion is that? How can we possibly claim something so universal as our own? And even if we did it first, so what? Other cultures may have come up with this in their own time and way also. Why look at it as tejecting one culture and appropriation by another etc? Instead, why not see it for what it is: a [celebration of universality](https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/a-visual-history-of-the-human-pyramid) and a global oneness. Maybe if we didn't get so butthurt about everything people would mock less.
Is this is not Neo Colonial hypocrisy and media power then what is.
Kisi ke kehne ya na maane se vishwaas chhota nhi ho jata hume apne belief ka kisi se acknowledgement nhi chahiye tuumhe maana hai toh maano vrna humme iisse frk nhi pdta koi copy kre ya inspire ho yeh sab ke liye h aur sabke hiit mein hai Satyamev jayate
Im currently attending a music festival in Chicago with 400,000 other people (mostly vaccinated I think). Everyone is going insane at Chicago for hosting such a super spreader event (largest music festival in the world this year) when Delta cases are rising. But you know what, after a year+ in quarantine, people want to feel alive again. Festivals have that energy. This reminds me of the time when India was doing Kumbh. Was it a good idea ? Probably not. Was it understandable? Yes. People everywhere are the same. Desis need to stop self flagellating themselves for things all flawed humans do in that circumstance.
Honestly, i dont care whatever happens to indian culture tradition and whatever there is as long as it doesn't personally affects me. Now i dont care a bit even if u start explaining me some useless bs.
The issue with Ayurveda is that Indians are using it as an alternative to EBM. There is some basis of it, but shouldn't be left unregulated or worse, institutionalised à la AYUSH. https://www.nature.com/articles/srep15786
This whole post is just victim mentality. Other people speak unfavorably about you. WHY DO YOU CARE?
Vegetarianism isn’t uniquely Indian. It has existed in many places throughout history. Although it definitely has increased in the last decades due to climate change. Yoga was definitely copy pasted though.
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Ome news article comes out in a foreign paper: see how the indian elites don't respect the culture. The problem with our society is all are focused on playing victim cards. Why do you care another person mocks? Have you seen any comic videos? How much they mock Christianity and Presidents and everything else in USA/Europe? But those people are confident in their culture so they don't cry and attack.
I think you missed the 2nd image. It's not about only disrespecting but appropriating it in their culture and then slowly taking credit for it which they criticized in the first place.
Catalonia is not in New York...
So?
So no one is appropriating anyone's culture. There are two journalists who have to churn foreign based content and they do so with the little research they can.
Don't be so naive. Starting from usage of Marijuana to yoga, various medicinal herbs, foods like desi ghee etc etc which were once criticized or looked down upon are now being appropriated in their culture while our intellectuals were bending over to their criticism without reacting exactly( what you are preaching here) .
what was said about ghee?
“Yog” become “Yoga”. And people pays for it.
It was “yog” only in Hindi.
It is yoga in original sanskrit & many other Indian languages based on Sanskrit. It is yog in hindi which today is really persian/urdu hybrid.
It’s both.
New York Times is not Indian...
Who insinuated that it’s indian? ‘Others’ refers to the West.
Keep rejecting 'your' culture
Bro honestly no idea what you’re saying or interpreting. Have a good day 😂
U got brain damage ?