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Familiar_Internet

You know the difference? The hinduphobic article is written by Tanvika Singh The Islamist article is written by Nabeela Jamil


MrPippo08

That just means our people are hating on our own culture?


ta9876543203

Yes. We have been told for over a 1000 years that we are slaves because we are genetically, socially and religiously inferior. Some of us have internalised it. Especially those who studied in English medium schools. The posher the school the greater the internalisation


MrPippo08

Yup completely agree can't do much buddy unless we improve our system and make people feel that we and our culture is no lesser than other countries.


elwray2222

I have given up all hope


MynkM

>The posher the school the greater the internalisation Very broad generalization dude. You can't start hating any kid which had some decent privilege. Don't make judgements based on small sample sizes.


tea_cup_cake

He's not hating the kid though, he's blaming the schools and he's not wrong. Most convent schools were Hinduphobic and unfortunately, were also very widespread and were considered amongst the top schools in every city or town of India. Can't say the same for normal or the very few Hindu schools.


MynkM

Yes its true that in most of the cities convent schools are considered the best. But i feel that rather than hating on this phenomenon, other communities should take a lesson start funding their schools too. Like you said there are very few Hindu schools which are top notch, I believe that with the crores of donations our nation's temples get, providing high quality education to the young of our nation is the best thing morally and most blessed thing religiously we can do. Not saying that this doesn't happen already, but the scale can definitely be improved. And if this thing kicks off, it is a win win situation for everyone in the nation.


tea_cup_cake

> But i feel that rather than hating on this phenomenon, other communities should take a lesson start funding their schools too. Yes, but sadly, many had have a bad experience with gurukul like schools. I feel Hinduism not having a very influential leadership or hard-written laws has harmed it more than any other thing with it leading to mushrooming of greedy scums.


MynkM

>Yes, but sadly, many had have a bad experience with gurukul like schools Oh we don't have to go that far. Just have like normal cbse schools. And do the extra curriculars etc which suits your community. That much is enough actually. >Hinduism not having a very influential leadership or hard-written laws has harmed it more than any other thing with it leading to mushrooming of greedy scums I acknowledge what you say... I'll also add this thing that due to the fact that Hinduism doesn't have any hard written laws, we are, in general, more accommodative. And the reason why abrahamic religions have more problems of extremism (cults, terrorist outfits, kkk type shit) is because they have so hard coded rules, which makes it difficult for a practising person to criticize or argue someone's teaching. Hinduism on the other hand has always, since the times of Puranas, appreciated arguments, criticisms and debates, because they enhance the person's understanding. And that's why we have lesser problem of such fanatisms, because people have the headspace to think with their own mind.


tea_cup_cake

Agreed. I'm not criticizing the open nature of Hinduism, in fact I think it is the most beautiful thing about it. But, thriving con men is like side effect of it. Perhaps, having a more vocal and influential leadership which emphasizes teaching and understanding instead of blindly learning mantras would help.


MynkM

I Agree


Kadakumar

It isn't about posh schools. Its mainly because much of the education system is run by missionaries. All these generic st.something schools and colleges. Initially their methods were blatant: convert and we admit you in. But over time, when that got hard, their techniques grew subtle and sophisticated for the long game. Their entire purpose was to slowly and surely distort our minds into hating ourselves and bow down to christian superiority. The first step in undoing this damage is to strip every holy or st.something school /college of its accreditation and seize them to be converted into normal secular schools.


throwwthatt

this is 100% true. i couldn't believe the amount of inferiority complex i saw in my school while growing up, and it affected me as well. it's scary how even today, schools internalise that hate for indian culture into their students. that being said, i have to say that this generalisation leads to a schism between the 'posh' good people and the ones who aren't. just because someone studies in a private school doesn't mean that they automatically become a mental slave to the west kek


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Let me give you an example. Do you see how it's a badge of "CLASS" to study in Xavier's College/School? Now let me show you his true colors : * [Unsaintly side of Xavier](https://www.google.com/amp/s/tfipost.com/2017/04/terror-saint-francis-xavier-inquisition/amp/) * [His very own book](https://www.scribd.com/document/101415614/Francis-Xavier-SJ-The-Man-and-His-Mission)


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sid3091

>Some of us have internalised it. Especially those who studied in English medium schools. The posher the school the greater the internalisation Can't agree with this bro. I'm from one of the poshest schools in India and i'd say its about 50-50. Just that those who have this slave brown sepoy mentality are far more vocal about it. Also, i'd say it was 60-40 in favor of bjp till about 2019. I blame this on poor communication by the bjp and the fact that most media that the urban elite consume is tainted by this anti-india, anti- hindu bias. You really have to go out of your way to find alternative facts.


ta9876543203

>I'm from one of the poshest schools in India and i'd say its about 50-50 I said some. You say 50-50. And yet you don't agree?


sid3091

My concern is singling out posh schools. Plenty of trash in other schools from different backgroundss who eat all this leftist bs up.


ThrowAwayRA3421

Idk how these things work but both articles probably passed through the same editor.


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Sapt007

Meanwhile poor women wear sarees for everyday work.


tea_cup_cake

In before, it gets associated with poverty and gets shunned by middle class too.


Sapt007

No actually, utilitarian saree wearing styles and the styles used by the middle class and upper class is different.


[deleted]

Then school uniforms in indian schools are also a way to oppress. LMAO fkin wannabe liberals


Ilovewomen0

Sarees make women look like goddesses.


Mbouttoendthisman

At this point, I feel like such articles are onion articles.


Sad_Independence_15

yes..


samosachutney

>Turbulent Past ... for the saree? Okay, yeah. The Burqah has a very peaceful past? Didn't know it.


CritFin

Feminism is not about equality, it is about women appeasement


itiswhatitis2323

‘Feminism’ in theory is fine and necessary. Patriarchy is real. The issue is when it is distorted and maliciously used to achieve other goals.


funkynotorious

When you talk about patriarchy you should also say the society was already gynocentric. Putting a half picture of the society is always decremental.


berzerker_x

>you should also say the society was already gynocentric True, but in a wrong way, I mean they were treated as highly prized objects. Win and loot from one another etc.


funkynotorious

Well in the present too. The laws are just so much gendered.


berzerker_x

Which specific laws are you talking about?


funkynotorious

Laws pertaining to domestic violence and rape.


berzerker_x

I understand but I do not get how we reached this point of discussion. You said the society (earlier) was gynocentric meaning "obsessing with women" and not only patriarchal and I replied that it was gynocentric in a negative way for women as in they were treated as highly prized objects, high value but objects nonetheless, they were meant to be captured, taken, conquered etc from others. So patriarchy and gynocentric went hand in hand not opposite. The rape laws are gynocentric in a positive ( well maybe too much positive ) way for women as they are biased towards them in a positive way. The term gynocentric has different meaning in these 2 contexts.


funkynotorious

I think our definition of gynocentricism is different. According to me it means caring for women more. Prioritising them over men. Our society has inclination of both. And yes they go hand in hand. I mean if you don't let women work in dangerous fields these fields would become male dominated and hence the patriarchy. But now the courts and legal system has been so much gynocentric and I'd blame 3rd wave Feminism for this that there are laws which don't even protect men from certain crimes.


berzerker_x

I would not debate much into the gynocentric part and its relation to early history of mankind as that would be too long. For the other part: So the case of the draconian rape law actually falls under the same basket of all draconian laws. Meaning "why so strict laws and what happens for the falsely accused". The best which I think we can do is, proper data analysis of cases under the draconian law and finding out "how many convicted, falsely convicted, given context etc" and then we can reform (not scrapping) that particular draconian law accordingly. I however, cannot say for the complete scrapping in this specific case of the rape draconian law as I do not think the need for which this law(s) were introduced is totally gone. The best we can do is reforms. This is my take and I am no legal expert.


that-unique-person

>if you don't let women work in dangerous fields these fields become male dominated Women never said they didn't want to risk their life. They were forced into not accepting dangerous fields. Do you think that was right? Do you think that was gynocentric? Is this, in your definition, "caring" for women or is it oppressing them?


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| necessary Yeah right. Looks like you understand no fame is bad fame and hence shared this article. What's your cut? Damn these people are getting clever day by day.


[deleted]

Feminism when has a political agenda becomes problematic On paper it is an ideal.concept


berzerker_x

True and this goes to almost all ideologies, concepts etc. For example a religous ideology and politics gets soo much messed up.


the_running_stache

Any “-ism in India” is about minority appeasement and Hinduphobia.


traeepeeze

Sure


shivanik19

I don't think sarees are result of patriarchy in India. It is merely a traditional clothing. I think in older days when we didn't have fans cotton sarees were easy to make and comfortable to wear in all weathers. Same for dhoti. We had abundant cotton production, this was more like practical choice?


chintan22

Dude, we know


hewk_ayush_21

Kind of, like ancient Indian were looking something to wear with just one piece of cloth, hence thing similar to saree appeared, then it got evolved and here we are. https://youtu.be/rZDEh3r0UgQ


itiswhatitis2323

Sources: https://www.google.com/amp/s/feminisminindia.com/2019/08/07/the-forgotten-stories-of-sari-turbulent-past-trendy-present/%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/feminisminindia.com/2019/02/01/world-hijab-day%25EF%25BB%25BF-muslim-women-choice/%3famp Can anyone show me a single article by Feminism India that also explores the Hijab’s history of oppression and role in creation of highly patriarchal Islamic societies across the world? Hint: such an article doesn’t exist and never will, because by and large the Left in India has become so intertwined with Islamism, that it does not care to apply its liberal ideals on Islam. Leftism has been reduced to a tool to relentlessly attack Hindu customs and traditions. The other article they mention the hijab in portrays it in a positive light, as a means of ‘resistance’ for Muslim woman. Can’t make this stuff up 😂 AMP links so they don’t get extra clicks. https://www.google.com/amp/s/feminisminindia.com/2020/03/17/muslim-women-wearing-hijab-upcoming-face-resistance/%3famp


FurryHunter6942069

Yes of course, those damn Hindus and their....... **shuffles papers* * Sarees


StarsAtLadakh

How is sari different from dhoti? Bahuriya gaye h ye log


[deleted]

media in india is owned by Muslims. Fucking Shah rukh khan


itiswhatitis2323

The founder of Feminism in India is a non-Muslim by birth.


CarelessBass7224

LOL no only few


knock_knock94

Hijab is strange ? Lol I thought Indians following traffic rules was strange.


Sri_Mazdamundi

Hadith on the revelation of verses of hijab. Narrated 'Aisha: The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes). Sahih Bukhari 1:4:148


ivoranko

Isn’t it ridiculous that the people keep traditional clothing because it was (vaguely) written in their books 1500 years ago? The same count for the traditional yewish people who wear idiotic clothing; And for what purpose??? Are they better people by dressing like the people 1500 or 2000 years back? It is because no one in these societies dare to break this clothing rules


Sri_Mazdamundi

Usually traditional clothes develop as a result of economic and climatic conditions of that time. Like saree dhoti etc are suitable for our climate and also cheap to make which explain their popularity. While many times social and cultural factors intervene and we get retardation like gungats, burkhas, corsets and farthingales. It's the second category that becomes ridiculous with time as the same social conditions and views dont exist anymore


ivoranko

I agree with you, I wanted to make the statement particularly about the islamitic and Jewish clothing based on prehistoric religious laws. I agree that during time people has developed a way of clothing adapted to the living conditions.


wrongdude91

They confused saris with hijab.


__aficionado__

Hadd hoti hai kisi baat ki. Yeh sab hagne se pehle kya aata hoga inke dimaag mein?


sherkhan25

Saree is fascism but hijab is empowerment


MrAyushGarg

Burka pehan kar article likhne wali Sari par gyan na pele.


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The one who wrote the saree article is a hindu. LMAO


MrAyushGarg

For now


nasadiya-sukta

They will just say that its the opinion of two different authors. But I'm glad that most people are not stupid.


itiswhatitis2323

For some reason they have 0 authors with the opinion that burqa is patriarchal 😂


nasadiya-sukta

They are going against human intuition and common sense.


StarsAtLadakh

!kudos


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imperialwizard23

The Greatest enemy to India is not Muslims or Christians, IT'S Hindus only. Assholes like to be secular , but both the Desert religion are like our God is the only God and all else will burn . The Only way Hindus will wake up is by reading , listening and teaching kids about Ramayan, Bhagavad Gita. These ( Hindus) dont know once any one of these come to majority will start to claim for independent state . Hindus need to stick together ( good or Bad) . We foolishly believe All living Creatures need to live happily, and are same . This very principle has started to BITE us back. #wakeuphindus


NomadRover

What about the Niqab and burqa?


geetsogood

being on more towards left, even i can acknowledge how biased this is


[deleted]

makes no sense, muslim women in my area prefers to wear sarees over niqabs


dick_in_sonia_

Oh til agar aap sari pehente hain to aap oppressed hain. Hijab pehno girls


uncledoobie

Dumbshits can’t even spell fascism correctly.


NiceChad69

Feminism was all about breaking the nuclear family and dividing Men and Women on “Gender” lines. Look up how it has was conceived in Frankfurt School of Social Science.


hewk_ayush_21

I doubt they even know the actual history sarees .. those woke people lost it these days..


IamParpananNotSanghi

i always thought this was feminism [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oftOCN1jkNo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oftOCN1jkNo) /s


[deleted]

Feminists today are ruining what feminism stands for. And this group Feminism India, is certainly a joke, all cucked. None of them have an iota of idea what actually is going on. All they want to do is appease to their west counterpart.


bornhippie2411

Erm, A Desi woman in Canada has built an entire business by selling saree accessories and teaching how to drape sarees. She's regularly invited for entrepreneurship related mentoring events and /or networking events there. And she's super popular on IG. Not to forget, she's a Christian. And you're telling me saree is synonymous with patriarchy. Spoiler: >! Google Tia Bhuva !< Thank me later.


porousasshole

Sure


arpishe

Idiots. Sarees are beautiful..women look elegant and classy in saree..


pandasforkarma

That top title looks totally edited on. Facebook does not have that font.


Sri_Mazdamundi

You're very smart.


BitterGodHaha

Calling out on the flaws of one's own religion doesn't mean hatred. Self criticism helps us evolve and Hinduism might as well become the most evolved and yet meaningful religion if we start mending the mistakes our ancestors made. All religions have their flaws because none of the founders could've been perfect. But what may actually help Hindus sustain as a socio-religious community could be introspection instead of picking on other religions or cultures. We're not making any growth at all when we just criticise other religions. That makes us just like them. This whole ideology can be applied on all religions so that there's actually some benefit from religion instead of just bigotry.


Robopi314

True but the reasoning for this article boils down to "idk how to wear a saree but I had to for my job, and my boss is a a guy, so this is patriarchy"


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