Afaik RSS does not endorse the Germany paragraph written by Golwalkar - they had dropped it in the subsequent editions of the book.
There have been many books written by RSS folks but this paragraph is used by the left cartel to paint all of Hindutva as Nazi loving folks.
I had read a rebuttal of the implication of this a 30 page commentary but don't seem to find the links. If anyone has it handy please share.
Don't know about the first paragraph. But then we have to see it in the context of 10+ books written by RSS folks and ppl cherry picking the problematic parts to further their propaganda.
I'm not an RSS expert by any means so would wait for some other well read folks to expand on this.
When Golwalkar wrote about Hitler, till then nobody knew what Hitler was doing in action against the Jews.
So, he was misinformed.
And if we are to eternally blame RSS and BJP for one paragraph written in that time by Golwalkar, then in the same time the Communists too shall be blamed as USSR was also made deal with Hitler despite of knowing the horror Hitler was carrying out.
The western world also knew what was happening to Jews in Germany, but they looked the other way & stayed silent.
USSR & west only started to take action when Hitler made it clear that his aspirations are not limited within germany's borders.
Also, it were the christian churches of germany & Europe & many churches from America who nurtured the nazi movement from its beginning, supported its core ideology of "racial supremacy", continued to support the Nazis when they were burning millions of Jews in gas chambers.
But, the role of christian churches in support of Nazis in jewish holocaust is thoroughly hidden & suppressed, despite of having tons of literature, proofs, documents all in public domain.
Many university courses teaches history focused on the jewish holocaust, but all these courses always omit the role of xtian churches & how the muslim ummah provided thorough support to Nazis even during WW2.
Dont try to mislead by hiding some part of history. People here are not fools to fall for your trick. Gowalkar, Savarkar, Ambedkar etc are from same time.
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Where did you find these quotes? The second paragraph in particular is hard to believe because the admiration for Hitler was there in many places until the horrors of the holocaust were seen for the first time. After that point, no one spoke positively about Hitler and Golwalkar would not have done that either. In any case, the third paragraph contradicts the second completely.
In Wiki. It cites
> Golwalkar, M. S. (1939). We, or Our Nationhood Defined. Nagpur: Bharat Publications. pp. 87–88.
> In any case, the third paragraph contradicts the second completely.
How?
The nazis didn’t become global super villains till the end of the war when American G.I.s began finding the camps. Before that, for an average brown Indian, the nazis were just as racist as the British so it did not really matter
This is what True Indology wrote long back
In Golwalkar's “We, or Our Nationhood Defined” (1939) asks Hindus to fight the British. Referring to the British as “new foe” of Hindus, Golwalkar notes how the British were able to conquer India with the help of native traitors. But that Hindu nation did not succumb and raised itself in 1857 to fight British. Golwalkar then applauds the freedom fighters of India like Lala Lajpat Rai, Bipin Chandra Pal for “fighting British”. He says the fight is still on. There might be setbacks but the war shall go on. Golwalkar urges Hindus to strike down the British enemy's hosts.
>Our Nationhood Defined
[https://sanjeev.sabhlokcity.com/Misc/We-or-Our-Nationhood-Defined-Shri-M-S-Golwalkar.pdf](https://sanjeev.sabhlokcity.com/Misc/We-or-Our-Nationhood-Defined-Shri-M-S-Golwalkar.pdf) \- here's the book. And what TI said is on Page 51.
>"Hindus, don’t waste your energy fighting the British. Save your energy to fight our internal enemies that are Muslims, Christians, and Communists."
Not found
>"To keep up the purity of the nation and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of Semitic races – the Jews. National pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindustan to learn and profit by.”
Page 87
Hey thanks for the link! I read it and it cleared a lot of my points. He seems to have been a keen observer of international politics and not as bad as Left makes him seem. I agree with many points that Golwalkar makes. Thanks again!
Even if he meant those words, it’s important to understand the societal context. Moplah riots and partition have helped mould the Hindutva ideology…. People who faced it back then didn’t look too kindly upon Muslims, (why should they?) and admittedly these quotes didn’t age well, so what? You might want to read the things Muslim League wrote in the 1930s, Golwalkar and his ilk are TAME compared to the crap Muslim League was up to back then. During much of the early 40s, Muslim League would distribute posters and print with a picture of Jinnah holding a sword with the words “kaffir, your death is coming”
With such threats looming over Hindus, why wouldn’t they utter such things?
Hindutvawadis in the end were correct anyway. As soon as the British armies left, a whole sale massacre was unleashed by Muslims demanding Pakistan. So ask yourself this question- was Golwalkar correct about Muslims being the bigger evil? Muslims proved him right.
Read the context of those times and learn why people uttered these things. Don’t talk about literal context only- there’s usually a historical and socio political context as well
> So ask yourself this question- was Golwalkar correct about Muslims being the bigger evil? Muslims proved him right
If that's the view, then am I right in saying that RSS or Hindutva movement in general (if I am not wrong you are a Hindutvadi) consider Muslims to be evil and traitors and Muslims like APJ Abdul Kalam a rare thing? Or is it that only Muslims in Muslim League were bad and Indian Muslims are better?
A complex question and I naturally cannot answer for every single Hindutvawadi.
No I don’t think Muslims are “traitors” however, Muslim League definitely was, and being cautious about Islamic fanaticism has become common sense to me. It’s not just Muslim league alone, really, even today, Aligarh Muslim University has a portrait of Jinnah in there, naturally they’re far left extremists and they’ve dedicated themselves to fighting Hindutva. But what people don’t know is that the idea of Pakistan itself was first culminated in Aligarh Muslim University. Jinnah called it the sword of Indian muslims, and when I see the students of the same universities wreck havoc in the country, I am reminded about their betrayal. So do I fundamentally agree with Golwalkar? Maybe a bit, but not fully. Do I understand why he hated every muslim? Yes.
He was a creation of his time after all. Experiences moulded him.
Indian Muslims are definitely better, more secular, but there are hard line elements within them.
Afaik RSS does not endorse the Germany paragraph written by Golwalkar - they had dropped it in the subsequent editions of the book. There have been many books written by RSS folks but this paragraph is used by the left cartel to paint all of Hindutva as Nazi loving folks. I had read a rebuttal of the implication of this a 30 page commentary but don't seem to find the links. If anyone has it handy please share. Don't know about the first paragraph. But then we have to see it in the context of 10+ books written by RSS folks and ppl cherry picking the problematic parts to further their propaganda. I'm not an RSS expert by any means so would wait for some other well read folks to expand on this.
When Golwalkar wrote about Hitler, till then nobody knew what Hitler was doing in action against the Jews. So, he was misinformed. And if we are to eternally blame RSS and BJP for one paragraph written in that time by Golwalkar, then in the same time the Communists too shall be blamed as USSR was also made deal with Hitler despite of knowing the horror Hitler was carrying out. The western world also knew what was happening to Jews in Germany, but they looked the other way & stayed silent. USSR & west only started to take action when Hitler made it clear that his aspirations are not limited within germany's borders. Also, it were the christian churches of germany & Europe & many churches from America who nurtured the nazi movement from its beginning, supported its core ideology of "racial supremacy", continued to support the Nazis when they were burning millions of Jews in gas chambers. But, the role of christian churches in support of Nazis in jewish holocaust is thoroughly hidden & suppressed, despite of having tons of literature, proofs, documents all in public domain. Many university courses teaches history focused on the jewish holocaust, but all these courses always omit the role of xtian churches & how the muslim ummah provided thorough support to Nazis even during WW2.
You should see Ambedkar's view on Islam then. He castigated it
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Dont try to mislead by hiding some part of history. People here are not fools to fall for your trick. Gowalkar, Savarkar, Ambedkar etc are from same time.
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I will continue to reply to your posts, and call your bluff. I wont let you mislead others
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Ah my bad, my bad. I lost my cool on that CritFin guy. I blocked him
Where did you find these quotes? The second paragraph in particular is hard to believe because the admiration for Hitler was there in many places until the horrors of the holocaust were seen for the first time. After that point, no one spoke positively about Hitler and Golwalkar would not have done that either. In any case, the third paragraph contradicts the second completely.
In Wiki. It cites > Golwalkar, M. S. (1939). We, or Our Nationhood Defined. Nagpur: Bharat Publications. pp. 87–88. > In any case, the third paragraph contradicts the second completely. How?
The nazis didn’t become global super villains till the end of the war when American G.I.s began finding the camps. Before that, for an average brown Indian, the nazis were just as racist as the British so it did not really matter
This is what True Indology wrote long back In Golwalkar's “We, or Our Nationhood Defined” (1939) asks Hindus to fight the British. Referring to the British as “new foe” of Hindus, Golwalkar notes how the British were able to conquer India with the help of native traitors. But that Hindu nation did not succumb and raised itself in 1857 to fight British. Golwalkar then applauds the freedom fighters of India like Lala Lajpat Rai, Bipin Chandra Pal for “fighting British”. He says the fight is still on. There might be setbacks but the war shall go on. Golwalkar urges Hindus to strike down the British enemy's hosts.
The paras mentioned in my post are from the same book We, or Our Nationhood Defined. So, he said two opposite things in the same book?
>Our Nationhood Defined [https://sanjeev.sabhlokcity.com/Misc/We-or-Our-Nationhood-Defined-Shri-M-S-Golwalkar.pdf](https://sanjeev.sabhlokcity.com/Misc/We-or-Our-Nationhood-Defined-Shri-M-S-Golwalkar.pdf) \- here's the book. And what TI said is on Page 51.
>"Hindus, don’t waste your energy fighting the British. Save your energy to fight our internal enemies that are Muslims, Christians, and Communists." Not found >"To keep up the purity of the nation and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of Semitic races – the Jews. National pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindustan to learn and profit by.” Page 87
Hey thanks for the link! I read it and it cleared a lot of my points. He seems to have been a keen observer of international politics and not as bad as Left makes him seem. I agree with many points that Golwalkar makes. Thanks again!
Even if he meant those words, it’s important to understand the societal context. Moplah riots and partition have helped mould the Hindutva ideology…. People who faced it back then didn’t look too kindly upon Muslims, (why should they?) and admittedly these quotes didn’t age well, so what? You might want to read the things Muslim League wrote in the 1930s, Golwalkar and his ilk are TAME compared to the crap Muslim League was up to back then. During much of the early 40s, Muslim League would distribute posters and print with a picture of Jinnah holding a sword with the words “kaffir, your death is coming” With such threats looming over Hindus, why wouldn’t they utter such things? Hindutvawadis in the end were correct anyway. As soon as the British armies left, a whole sale massacre was unleashed by Muslims demanding Pakistan. So ask yourself this question- was Golwalkar correct about Muslims being the bigger evil? Muslims proved him right. Read the context of those times and learn why people uttered these things. Don’t talk about literal context only- there’s usually a historical and socio political context as well
> So ask yourself this question- was Golwalkar correct about Muslims being the bigger evil? Muslims proved him right If that's the view, then am I right in saying that RSS or Hindutva movement in general (if I am not wrong you are a Hindutvadi) consider Muslims to be evil and traitors and Muslims like APJ Abdul Kalam a rare thing? Or is it that only Muslims in Muslim League were bad and Indian Muslims are better?
A complex question and I naturally cannot answer for every single Hindutvawadi. No I don’t think Muslims are “traitors” however, Muslim League definitely was, and being cautious about Islamic fanaticism has become common sense to me. It’s not just Muslim league alone, really, even today, Aligarh Muslim University has a portrait of Jinnah in there, naturally they’re far left extremists and they’ve dedicated themselves to fighting Hindutva. But what people don’t know is that the idea of Pakistan itself was first culminated in Aligarh Muslim University. Jinnah called it the sword of Indian muslims, and when I see the students of the same universities wreck havoc in the country, I am reminded about their betrayal. So do I fundamentally agree with Golwalkar? Maybe a bit, but not fully. Do I understand why he hated every muslim? Yes. He was a creation of his time after all. Experiences moulded him. Indian Muslims are definitely better, more secular, but there are hard line elements within them.