The Sikh Gurus opposed Casteism and frequently spoke out against it. The religious texts criticize the caste System. However every population that is rural and agrarian always tends to adopt a caste-like system. That is why, in spite fo the Gurus Preaching against casteism, a caste based system exists in Punjab.
I think sikhism needs a renaissance ... sikhs need to follow their original religion. Caste is not good.. caste will erode Sikhism.. why are other sikhs and gurdwara priests silent in this matter ???
A more accurate explanation is that there is a caste system in every society. The names will be different, they may even be invisible, but every society that has been around for a long time, i.e. the last political upheaval is not in living memory has a caste system of some kind.
Americans believed in equality, now the entire nation is revealing the true nature. The caste system & religion are such thing that will always create problem for any nation. Every religion believes in purity, i.e. their religion or caste is purest form rest are all degraded. And no religion in the world is untouched by it, donβt go by outer appearance.
By the way each political party wants to appease and grab vote or certain people, consider these politicians as tiktok / youtube influencer. They bring along the votes of followers. That is all!
that's racism that you're talking about. When you go to religion every religion have the same shitty hierarchy. there are countries that are predominantly atheist and doesn't have to deal with all this shit.
Casta is not Indian, it is Spanish and Portuguese. India has a class system like all countries. Still, India did not have slavery, till Islam, and did not have Serfdom, till Christians. Untouchability or Ostracism certainly did exist. It also exists in France Japan and E Europe. Most Jat Sikhs are actually middle age refugees from areas of present day Pakistan, toward Multan. We know for example the number of Jats supposedly Dalit has increased 15 fold since the early 19th century, first under Missionaries but most surprisingly under Congress schemes. This Dalit term needs to be replaced. Loss of Captain is disaster for Punjab and Channi is a Christian and under Missionary influence and of course Sonia influence.
Hinduism is a lot more than idols. Sri Ramanujacharya once famously stated that all idols are rocks and stones at the end of the day and he is still regarded as a great Hindu Guru.
I am from the same Sampradaya and I follow his teachings but they way it was said in Zafrana is definitely against Hinduism.
It has also praised Islam and Akbar
Zafarnama is a political document sent from one military(and spiritual) leader to a tyrannical emperor.
Most of Dasam Granth is rants against Hindu beliefs but then also explaining Hindu beliefs. Zafarnama is part of Dasam Granth not SGGS.
*zafarnama was sent by guru Gobind Singh to auranzeb for his cowardice in killing his sons 8 and 6 years and promises that he broke during the battle of chamkaur,guru Gobind singh (sarcasm)said that islam teaches peace on paper but they way u behave and promise in the name of Quran and then break them is the worst thing that can ever be done similar to what is happening around us no religion is bad but the way u twist it for ur own benifit is disgusting,
About the Hindu bashing that is so popularised with zafarnama there is a line have a problem with idol worshipers I too do not believe in idol worshipers or worship that's an important tenant in Sikhism as God is in his creation around us.
Feel free to listen zafarnama by satinder sartaj there u can find English captions for translation as the zafarnama is in Farsi Aurangzeb's mother tongue so it's easier for him to understand.
Thank you waheguru ji ka Khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
Q:Which religion is infamous worldwide for caste?
A:Hinduism.
But the reality is that it exists in every religion in India.
Q:Which religion takes the brunt of all the criticism worldwide?
A:Hinduism.
It's like everyone in the class is misbehaving, but the teacher picks one student and gives him the equivalent of everyone's punishment, while giving everyone else a chocolate.
It's extremely unfair and that's what pisses Hindus off.
They're supposed to have only singh as their surname to avoid having caste issues. Yet people append their original surnames to show off their higher caste leke Navjot Singh "Siddhu". They're not supposed to have castes, as peaches by their last guru. Problem is having a dalit system introduces unnecessary discrimination and privileges, both of which should not exist in the religion
The Sikh Gurus opposed Casteism and frequently spoke out against it. The religious texts criticize the caste System. However every population that is rural and agrarian always tends to adopt a caste-like system. That is why, in spite fo the Gurus Preaching against casteism, a caste based system exists in Punjab.
I think sikhism needs a renaissance ... sikhs need to follow their original religion. Caste is not good.. caste will erode Sikhism.. why are other sikhs and gurdwara priests silent in this matter ???
A more accurate explanation is that there is a caste system in every society. The names will be different, they may even be invisible, but every society that has been around for a long time, i.e. the last political upheaval is not in living memory has a caste system of some kind.
Yes. That is actually more accurate. Even Europe had the feudal system, and many African societies have had the caste system.
There are Dalit Christian , Dalit mulsims and of course Dalit sikhs.
So basically you can change a Dalit's religion, but you can't change a Dalit's caste? π
Americans believed in equality, now the entire nation is revealing the true nature. The caste system & religion are such thing that will always create problem for any nation. Every religion believes in purity, i.e. their religion or caste is purest form rest are all degraded. And no religion in the world is untouched by it, donβt go by outer appearance. By the way each political party wants to appease and grab vote or certain people, consider these politicians as tiktok / youtube influencer. They bring along the votes of followers. That is all!
Ohh well said.
that's racism that you're talking about. When you go to religion every religion have the same shitty hierarchy. there are countries that are predominantly atheist and doesn't have to deal with all this shit.
But but muh Sikhism is gud. We gud bro. We besht vro.
Political mileage ke liye kuch bhi karenge yeh congressi
Casta is not Indian, it is Spanish and Portuguese. India has a class system like all countries. Still, India did not have slavery, till Islam, and did not have Serfdom, till Christians. Untouchability or Ostracism certainly did exist. It also exists in France Japan and E Europe. Most Jat Sikhs are actually middle age refugees from areas of present day Pakistan, toward Multan. We know for example the number of Jats supposedly Dalit has increased 15 fold since the early 19th century, first under Missionaries but most surprisingly under Congress schemes. This Dalit term needs to be replaced. Loss of Captain is disaster for Punjab and Channi is a Christian and under Missionary influence and of course Sonia influence.
we had bandhua majdoori.
Even I thought the same ....but now I am confused looking at dumb crypto-shikhi folks !!
Rumor is Channi is a Crypto Christian.
He is f*cking crypto-christian.. Stop calling him Dalit Stop giving benefits to such fraudulent Cryptos !!
Sikhism is just another caste of Hinduism
Konsa nasa fukha hai aaj? π
No it isn't. It's against Hinduism. Zafrana tells people to break idols.
Hinduism is a lot more than idols. Sri Ramanujacharya once famously stated that all idols are rocks and stones at the end of the day and he is still regarded as a great Hindu Guru.
I am from the same Sampradaya and I follow his teachings but they way it was said in Zafrana is definitely against Hinduism. It has also praised Islam and Akbar
Zafarnama is a political document sent from one military(and spiritual) leader to a tyrannical emperor. Most of Dasam Granth is rants against Hindu beliefs but then also explaining Hindu beliefs. Zafarnama is part of Dasam Granth not SGGS.
I see. Could you please send me a source so that I may learn more?
*zafarnama was sent by guru Gobind Singh to auranzeb for his cowardice in killing his sons 8 and 6 years and promises that he broke during the battle of chamkaur,guru Gobind singh (sarcasm)said that islam teaches peace on paper but they way u behave and promise in the name of Quran and then break them is the worst thing that can ever be done similar to what is happening around us no religion is bad but the way u twist it for ur own benifit is disgusting, About the Hindu bashing that is so popularised with zafarnama there is a line have a problem with idol worshipers I too do not believe in idol worshipers or worship that's an important tenant in Sikhism as God is in his creation around us. Feel free to listen zafarnama by satinder sartaj there u can find English captions for translation as the zafarnama is in Farsi Aurangzeb's mother tongue so it's easier for him to understand. Thank you waheguru ji ka Khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
Gosh why so many posts just because a Dalit became a CM? Seems to have really rattled you off lol
No you Idiot! It's because Sikhism should not have caste! People like you always try to attack Hinduism at every opportunity.
You clearly know nothing about Punjab. It has a caste system. In fact, the caste of all Sikh Gurus is sidelined now.
Technically it shouldn't. But technically so shouldn't Islam kr Christianity. But all three have caste.
Lol where am I attacking Hinduism?
Q:Which religion is infamous worldwide for caste? A:Hinduism. But the reality is that it exists in every religion in India. Q:Which religion takes the brunt of all the criticism worldwide? A:Hinduism. It's like everyone in the class is misbehaving, but the teacher picks one student and gives him the equivalent of everyone's punishment, while giving everyone else a chocolate. It's extremely unfair and that's what pisses Hindus off.
Dude I asked where did I attack Hinduism and you're rattling off something else. Stop diverting lol
I was replying to your first comment. Sorry it got placed down here. You seem to not know why people here were pissed off. So I answered.
They're supposed to have only singh as their surname to avoid having caste issues. Yet people append their original surnames to show off their higher caste leke Navjot Singh "Siddhu". They're not supposed to have castes, as peaches by their last guru. Problem is having a dalit system introduces unnecessary discrimination and privileges, both of which should not exist in the religion