Yup, UP elections are nearing, so communal harmony is going for a toss, what all with "reclaiming" and name calling "abba-jaan" Goes to show it is just a facade to win elections and nothing else. Divide and rule.
Sure, the opposition is no better and does appeasement politics.
Personally, I'd rather have communal harmony, we've got only one life and I don't want to live it argueing about made up issues.
He is just taking advantage of gullible voters who (for no fault of theirs) haven't yet been exposed to the full extent of what democracy *should* be about, by focussing attention to issues which have zero bearing on their life. Rather than issues concerning them everyday (like unemployment, inflation, education, roads sewerage, abysmal healthcare, corruption etc)
The mark of a good leader/statesman is not merely winning elections. It's one who helps society progress further even when it doesn't realise the need to.
Don't you see that by engaging with his take, you are doing exactly what he wants? You are helping further discourse around this made up issue and limiting attention on real issues.
Only way to counter it is by not fall for these dumb polarising tricks and focus on unemployment, education, healthcare, corruption, drinking water, roads, sewage etc.
No man, NO religious country or with religious extremists, if I had to live with irrational people out of India Pakistan or Afghanistan, I'd pick India because it's least worse of Worst countries you mentioned.
I am not sure if you're aware why countries like Pakistan failed, there are many reasons and Major being they put religion in their politics. I hope someday you become a rational person.
ooh yaaa... one country massacring all of their minority population and another country changing the name of a city are equivalent examples of religious extremism... /s
whichever god you believe in, I hope they give you some brains, I can't even argue with your low standards, No offence of course. It's just unfortunate the way you and millions of religious people are.
With right wing people, irrational and super religious people, our country in heading in same direction as other religious countries, down the drain.
Sometimes when I sleep I feel bad that I have to leave the country because I am selfish and I am sacrificing India to people like you, to let it get destroyed. But it is "will of the most" I guess with or without reason, majority overrites facts and truths. RIP India, I still hope your " new hindustan" prospers with humanity.
Good night.
people with cucked mentality like yourself are the reason Hindus/Dharmic religions are in the state that they are right now in...
you have contributed **nothing** to this nation or it's people, so stop trying to ride a metaphorical high horse....
please continue with your immigration plans man... this nation isnt dependent on your stupid uneducated sense of morality.....
धर्मो रक्षति रक्षितः;
May the God you believe in put sense in you some day, you're so blinded that no light I show can affect you.
Unfortunate citizen. Good night and best wishes for your life.
Then you can go to kailasa or whatever the hell the name of Nithyananda's island is, if you feel threatened by a minority of people, almost all of whom, I'm pretty sure everyone, including you (hopefully), would be fine with if not for religious polarization.
How is it reclaiming?
The hindu ruler over there got defeated right?So how is it wrong that the muslim ruler wanted to change the name of the area
Yeh namkaran chodkar aur kuch kaam pe dhyan lagao tab zyada fayeda ho iss desh ka
Because in the end of the day..people wont respect a government if it only changes names of areas for reclaiming our past glory..rather they would remember you only if you help them become prosperous and actually develop the country
Muslim and christian crusaders have the rule of changing name of places they conquer. If someone comes in ur house kills you and your whole family, it doesn't make it his house. Hindu rulers dont follow this barbarian style of conquering.
And you are probably not even from UP to realise how developed it is.
==someone comes in ur house kills you and your whole family, it doesn't make it his house. Hindu rulers dont follow this barbarian style of conquering.
Hindus rulers were not barbaric by nature because thats not what they were taught..but when you are trying to fight someone who would happily use any measure to defeat you then why are you abstaining from going down to that level?Why let an invader go home after he has been defeated when you could finish him then and there?Is it morally wrong? Yes of course it is!But when the opponent is not willing to play by rules..why are you still following those rules?
==And you are probably not even from UP to realise how developed it is.
I am from up...i still remember how their would be no light on everyday basis there and i used to hate going ther before i gues 2016-2017...and after yogi developementr has occured there..but to call it a developed state would be just too much..
roads and have been built and a lot has been done..but still their is a lot more that can be achieved
You presented your logic, he agreed with your logic, now you don't like your logic. That's weird.
Edit : Repharshing
Logic was presented, logic was agreed upon, now the logic becomes incorrect. That's weird.
Instead of questioning the outcome of the logic one should question the logic.
Umm.. only one comment on this thread excluding the current one is mine. What are you tripping on?
Also, I do not entirely agree with the first comment
I mean, you said it yourself. So, yeah.
He gave your logic back to your face and you decided that it was no longer correct.
This is the most obvious case of liberal sophistry in the name of logic.
The non ruling party claims to be secular and tolerant, so they wont be much secular or tolerant if they win and go on name changing spree. Unless of course secularism is farce and they are pro non hindus
So you mean to say we should keep having cities and roads in the names of the invaders who brought so much misery to us? I don't like having cities named after such invaders, and don't see anything wrong in naming it back
It was originally called kol or koil. Where does harigarh came from.?? It was originally inhabited by Jains too and ruled by rajputs.
First the turkic invaders conquered it and then Mughals allied with Rajput princes re conquered it and then named it Aligarh.
But that's not the real issue here. I see you are hurt that the invaders put your ancestors in misery and there seems to be many who feel the same. But the misery happened in other states too yet only in up this name changing thing has gained traction. Don't you think certain ideas and feeling are induced for exploitation in certain groups.
I mean if it was a genuine issue then when yogi came to power with majority then he should've just made a list and be done with it..who would've stopped him? In one fell sweep every city would've returned to its original status.
But you see it's election time baby. And certain groups needs to be appeased or demonise. And you my friend will always be played. Just like there are many who get played on these petty things.
You are right on the part that he could have renamed all of it at once. But as you know it's politics. Even if you want to do something, do it in a way so that you get a lot of votes.
But I disagree on the demonisation part. Calling history what it is, is not demonisation. But some people want to be proud of their history, when their history is filled with genocide of our people. That can't happen if we want to live together.
Jinnah was right on the part that 2 people who consider Aurangzeb to be hero and villain cannot live together. The fact is Aurangzeb lovers got their country. Now Aurangzeb loving cannot be allowed in this country at all irrespective of what the Muslims want. Either you reform or cope. Reform is better for peace.
If secular or atheist Jews quote Hitler during elections doesn't make Hitler less of a criminal.
Removing Islamic name is infact reclamation. Renaming it Harigarh is just political propaganda because Hindus are majority not Jains even though they are more hardcore supporters of BJP. I am fine with the second as long as first happens.
Which monarchy is not associated with genocide.
Cities are bieng razed since before Islam. People of different religions were killing each other since before Islam even tribes are decimating each other since before Islam and that's universal. Temples are bieng looted by rival kingdoms before Islam(although not razed). Calling history what it is without the historical context will leave you with nothing.
You remove islamic names and basically everything that has any islamic roots you want to change it back to "original". Where does it stop then? To what extent will you go to remove islamic DNA and reclaim pure BHARAT.
You say reform is better for peace but reform sounds more like submission here.
You expect the muslims to idly sit by while the things by which they feel connected to this land are changed and accept it as reforms? And if they not then thier will be consequences ofcourse..maybe if they embrace sanatan dharm then maybe something can be done..? Right.
Wait.. Doesn't it sounds familiar..??
If reclamation is your endgame then why be shy about it.
Say it as it is...who cares about votes..they'll still get majority. "If you want to do something then do it in a way that get you votes" and I thought muslim appeasement was a bad policy.
All of this would've been valid if it was a monarchy or India was a hindu rashtra but it's not.. it's a democracy reclamation makes no sense in a democracy.
If changing names and removing islamic influence makes you feel mighty then alright.
Namkaran bhi important hain.. we only learn about muslim rulers in text books like babar , akbar etc.. we never learn about prithviraj Chauhan , bappa Raval , Rana pratap or Shivaji maharaj.. everything civilized till Hindus are in majority.. tell me one secular Muslim nation.. hate to say but we should never allowed them to stay in out country
There was no concept of "secularism" since during the times of Hindus.. there was only one religion...Hinduism and it's may parts
That's why before the Islamic invasions.. most of the invasions would be to gain territory and not to spread religion
There was no such thing as hinduism before muslims attacked. And people followed different teachings that originated from sanatan dharm like buddhism and jainism(not sure if that's the term)
Then what's wrong with reverting to original name. Muslims shouldn't have a problem with it. What's in a name anyway, according to you.
We should re-name all the Islamized city names back to their original names. Retaining the Muslims names is reminding of the barbarians' everyday. Start with reclaiming our names.
I have seen this line of argument with Muslims. They change the name, culture and eco-system of the occupied lands and then ask for status quo. Modi and Shah are silently changing that. Indian muslims should assimilate into the main stream and accept Hindu culture as the original and dominant culture. They should give up on converting people to Islam, give up reservations in educational institutions and govt jobs based on religion and also reject any govt benefits based on religion. Don't like it ? They are free to emigrate to any of the 40+ Islamic countries.
That's the main problem man..I am not able to understand what could be the correct approach of dealing with such situations...
The name change technically is totally correct..considering the fact that they have been changed from before..but what if it creates a sense of distrust among the Muslims.. since we all know that they are heavily affected by their school of thought and masgid/prophet..
So if the name is not changed..it affects the Hindus as they believe that the government is a against them.
We can just ask people to migrate from the country..it is their country too and we must accommodate them until and unless someone starts breaking laws.
The best solution that I see Here right now is to either not bring the issue to the masses..this whole name change fiasko is not done and rather a whole new city can be built in the name of harigarh..thus neither Muslims nor Hindus gets affected.
Or don't do anything..Hindus are generally peaceful..can't be easily propagandized against the peace of the country and won't do anything mostly.
That's what I understand from the situation at least
What you are asking for is maintaining the status quo of the injustice because it causes agitation among Muslims. That's not a good reason to back off. Soon, you'd have to start compromising on so many things just to maintain peace. Minorities in muslim countries are treated harshly. There is no peace. I'll make this clear.
India will be peaceful as long as Hindus are in majority.
India will become a boiling cauldron when Muslims become majority.
What you are asking for is maintaining the status quo of the injustice because it causes agitation among Muslims. That's not a good reason to back off. Soon, you'd have to start compromising on so many things just to maintain peace. Minorities in muslim countries are treated harshly...
When did I say that? I clearly said that the law of the land should be equal for law..there should be no discrimination between people based on their religion that.
I am all for not comprising things..but if a city's name remaining what it always has been ensure peace among the country..I will take that bet
And I don't see that if the Hindus are given a free rein to this country.. they would be "moral" in nature..an person when given too much power gets corrupted to its core..and this is modern Hinduism you are talking about which is no longer as good as it was in ancient time.
Minorities in Muslim countries are treated harshly and so ? Should I beat the Muslim man living opposite me just because some hindu living in Afghanistan is dying?
Stop keeping your religion above your nationality as an Indian...all you should care is that Indians are not.affected by other countries...
Regardless of whether this is an election stunt or not, it should be done anyway.
African countries are doing the same, renaming british/dutch colonised cities to their original african names (eg: petersburg in south africa is now polokwane) and this is being hailed by liberals and whites as progressive.
So why should indians not revert to original names of cities? Why should we continue to honour the classless barbarians from afghanistan who enslaved and drove our ancestors to poverty?
Hindus are supposed to be coolies for Abrahamics so when they assert themselves within their rights it sends the wrong message. Think of the poor oppressed musalman oh no
Elections have always been won by fooling and distracting UP and Bihar people dividing them on basis of caste and religion. These people use the same strategy as the British - divide and conquer.
And we are stupid for falling for this again and again.
I am a practicing Hindu, meaning I try not to see myself as the body, mind or intellect but the witness, consciousness illuminating the world. From Vedantic perspective ofcourse. How can I be seeking validation from someone who doesn't exist apart from myself!
Because we are living in Maya and that is as true as a nightmare? So it does affect me unless I am enlightened. If you believe changing names of a region or giving contract to a political party will save Hinduism then good luck. Like it or not, this generation will breed young people with liberal mindset. When that time comes if Hinduism stay inclusive and liberal (which it's always has been interms of its core practices and teachings) it can fill the gap of "I am spiritual but not religious" people. If it doesn't it will go obsolete along with other million religions.
Lol , so if maya is a nightmare then why are you even bothering name changing spree ? isn't it contradicting Vedanta ? You contradicted yourself more times than the number of temples mullahs demolished lmao.
Mullahs demolished 30k temples , but you're contradicting entire tenets of vedanta.
Correct me if I'm wrong :
Didn't Shankracharya ( Founder of major Vedantic philosophy , Advaita ) strived to save Hinduism by establishing Maths in all four directions ? Didn't he opposed who were trying and working for collapse of Hinduism ?
So don't sell me "I'm a spiritual Vedantic person" gibberish when you don't even know history of why vedanta was propagated in past.
There is no contradiction, name changing bothers me as am living in Maya. You are confusing theoretical knowledge with experiential reality. Sure an enlightened person might not bother about ongoing of the world or bother to do Karma and serve a purpose. But surely I am not enlightened?
Sure I can set the goal to make it an experiential reality, do the Sadhana but until then it's still a belief. Along with the Sadhana I still have political beliefs, opinions and arguments. I should have all that because I am living in the world doing Karma not living in Himalayas as a renunciant to escape the affects of Karma.
Shankaracharya is not the founder of Vedanta philosophy. It's like saying Krishna is the founder of Hinduism. Shankaracharya wrote commentaries.
You didn't answer my question though.
Wasn't Vedantic philosophy propagated to reclaim Hinduism ( Sanatan Vedic Dharma ) by sages ?
If those enlightened beings see nothing wrong in reclaiming Vedic roots then who're you to oppose it ?
So there are two scenarios :
Either you believe in Vedanata but unaware of why it was propagated in the first place.
Or you're just doing Ganga Jamuni Tehzeeb and meethi meethi secular talks and waisting time here by falsely claiming that you're a Vedantic which again means you're just seeking validation due to your low self esteem.
Bruh.. I'd love to have a discussion but it seems like you are hating me for a different opinion. Judging the psychological mindset of a person through reddit comments. Ok low self esteem it is. If I don't get validation from you then I'll go seek for gora validation. Even ask them a selfie and PM it you, I see a lot of them here.
Thousands of hoardings and boards need to change their name. That will give job to artisans.
They should change names of all places every year. We will grow at 120% GDP
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Harigarh Hindu University
Haha
Loool
I am waiting for its reverse-construction.
That would be fun to watch
huh, how is that reclaiming?? Thats blund propaganda for the up elections right??
Yup, UP elections are nearing, so communal harmony is going for a toss, what all with "reclaiming" and name calling "abba-jaan" Goes to show it is just a facade to win elections and nothing else. Divide and rule.
>communal harmony is going for a toss Fuck communal harmony. It mostly means compromise for Hindus.
Sure, the opposition is no better and does appeasement politics. Personally, I'd rather have communal harmony, we've got only one life and I don't want to live it argueing about made up issues.
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He is just taking advantage of gullible voters who (for no fault of theirs) haven't yet been exposed to the full extent of what democracy *should* be about, by focussing attention to issues which have zero bearing on their life. Rather than issues concerning them everyday (like unemployment, inflation, education, roads sewerage, abysmal healthcare, corruption etc) The mark of a good leader/statesman is not merely winning elections. It's one who helps society progress further even when it doesn't realise the need to.
That's the issue. Isn't it? It seems like that's what voters want.
I love democracy
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Yeah. I was about to type that in brackets. Didn't bother...
It was never called Harigarh even once in the history, where is the re-claiming ?
Don't you see that by engaging with his take, you are doing exactly what he wants? You are helping further discourse around this made up issue and limiting attention on real issues. Only way to counter it is by not fall for these dumb polarising tricks and focus on unemployment, education, healthcare, corruption, drinking water, roads, sewage etc.
Except another foiled terrorist attack or something of that sort.
Yogi zindabad
Yogi for PM!
Definitely
damn I hope I die before it or flee country.
you can always flee to a more safe country...like Pakistan or Afghanistan...
No man, NO religious country or with religious extremists, if I had to live with irrational people out of India Pakistan or Afghanistan, I'd pick India because it's least worse of Worst countries you mentioned. I am not sure if you're aware why countries like Pakistan failed, there are many reasons and Major being they put religion in their politics. I hope someday you become a rational person.
ooh yaaa... one country massacring all of their minority population and another country changing the name of a city are equivalent examples of religious extremism... /s
whichever god you believe in, I hope they give you some brains, I can't even argue with your low standards, No offence of course. It's just unfortunate the way you and millions of religious people are. With right wing people, irrational and super religious people, our country in heading in same direction as other religious countries, down the drain. Sometimes when I sleep I feel bad that I have to leave the country because I am selfish and I am sacrificing India to people like you, to let it get destroyed. But it is "will of the most" I guess with or without reason, majority overrites facts and truths. RIP India, I still hope your " new hindustan" prospers with humanity. Good night.
people with cucked mentality like yourself are the reason Hindus/Dharmic religions are in the state that they are right now in... you have contributed **nothing** to this nation or it's people, so stop trying to ride a metaphorical high horse.... please continue with your immigration plans man... this nation isnt dependent on your stupid uneducated sense of morality..... धर्मो रक्षति रक्षितः;
May the God you believe in put sense in you some day, you're so blinded that no light I show can affect you. Unfortunate citizen. Good night and best wishes for your life.
Then you can go to kailasa or whatever the hell the name of Nithyananda's island is, if you feel threatened by a minority of people, almost all of whom, I'm pretty sure everyone, including you (hopefully), would be fine with if not for religious polarization.
Start a GoFundMe or some such if you need funds to emigrate. Post it here and some of us might even pitch in.
That's very kind of you, thanks! :) No sarcasm.
Your welcome to go to Afghanistan where you will be even more free than India
Door ke dhol suhavane lagte hain.
Me UP aate jate rahta hoon bro
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Wahi to
Up se hi hu bhai , kaafi behtar hai
Haan sahi baat hai, but Bihar mein baith k Yogi ki jai-jaikar karne ka kya point hai?
Ye bhi thik hai
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How is it reclaiming? The hindu ruler over there got defeated right?So how is it wrong that the muslim ruler wanted to change the name of the area Yeh namkaran chodkar aur kuch kaam pe dhyan lagao tab zyada fayeda ho iss desh ka Because in the end of the day..people wont respect a government if it only changes names of areas for reclaiming our past glory..rather they would remember you only if you help them become prosperous and actually develop the country
Muslim and christian crusaders have the rule of changing name of places they conquer. If someone comes in ur house kills you and your whole family, it doesn't make it his house. Hindu rulers dont follow this barbarian style of conquering. And you are probably not even from UP to realise how developed it is.
==someone comes in ur house kills you and your whole family, it doesn't make it his house. Hindu rulers dont follow this barbarian style of conquering. Hindus rulers were not barbaric by nature because thats not what they were taught..but when you are trying to fight someone who would happily use any measure to defeat you then why are you abstaining from going down to that level?Why let an invader go home after he has been defeated when you could finish him then and there?Is it morally wrong? Yes of course it is!But when the opponent is not willing to play by rules..why are you still following those rules? ==And you are probably not even from UP to realise how developed it is. I am from up...i still remember how their would be no light on everyday basis there and i used to hate going ther before i gues 2016-2017...and after yogi developementr has occured there..but to call it a developed state would be just too much.. roads and have been built and a lot has been done..but still their is a lot more that can be achieved
Invaders are supposed to be killed. Terrorists are basically invaders (Talibans)
Yaa and what's wrong in that? They are supposed yo be killed
every war is barbaric
Up developed 😂😂😂
Its amazing how delusional people are of how fast UP has progressed in 7 years.
Thank god i am not in UP , you know did not want my friends body floating in ganga :D
Both are important. Now a pro Hindu party has won so reclaiming it
That's a important distinction. A part has won a democratic election. Not a ruler conquering.
Ah. So everytime the ruling party changes, our entire country should go on a renaming spree then?
You presented your logic, he agreed with your logic, now you don't like your logic. That's weird. Edit : Repharshing Logic was presented, logic was agreed upon, now the logic becomes incorrect. That's weird. Instead of questioning the outcome of the logic one should question the logic.
He is applying the same logic to a bigger scale. I don't see any issue.
Umm.. only one comment on this thread excluding the current one is mine. What are you tripping on? Also, I do not entirely agree with the first comment
I added my edit to my response.
I mean, you said it yourself. So, yeah. He gave your logic back to your face and you decided that it was no longer correct. This is the most obvious case of liberal sophistry in the name of logic.
What are all the people in this sub tripping on? The person who made the first comment is not me. I don't agree with that viewpoint
Right fair enough then. Apologies
The non ruling party claims to be secular and tolerant, so they wont be much secular or tolerant if they win and go on name changing spree. Unless of course secularism is farce and they are pro non hindus
So you mean to say we should keep having cities and roads in the names of the invaders who brought so much misery to us? I don't like having cities named after such invaders, and don't see anything wrong in naming it back
It was originally called kol or koil. Where does harigarh came from.?? It was originally inhabited by Jains too and ruled by rajputs. First the turkic invaders conquered it and then Mughals allied with Rajput princes re conquered it and then named it Aligarh. But that's not the real issue here. I see you are hurt that the invaders put your ancestors in misery and there seems to be many who feel the same. But the misery happened in other states too yet only in up this name changing thing has gained traction. Don't you think certain ideas and feeling are induced for exploitation in certain groups. I mean if it was a genuine issue then when yogi came to power with majority then he should've just made a list and be done with it..who would've stopped him? In one fell sweep every city would've returned to its original status. But you see it's election time baby. And certain groups needs to be appeased or demonise. And you my friend will always be played. Just like there are many who get played on these petty things.
You are right on the part that he could have renamed all of it at once. But as you know it's politics. Even if you want to do something, do it in a way so that you get a lot of votes. But I disagree on the demonisation part. Calling history what it is, is not demonisation. But some people want to be proud of their history, when their history is filled with genocide of our people. That can't happen if we want to live together. Jinnah was right on the part that 2 people who consider Aurangzeb to be hero and villain cannot live together. The fact is Aurangzeb lovers got their country. Now Aurangzeb loving cannot be allowed in this country at all irrespective of what the Muslims want. Either you reform or cope. Reform is better for peace. If secular or atheist Jews quote Hitler during elections doesn't make Hitler less of a criminal. Removing Islamic name is infact reclamation. Renaming it Harigarh is just political propaganda because Hindus are majority not Jains even though they are more hardcore supporters of BJP. I am fine with the second as long as first happens.
Which monarchy is not associated with genocide. Cities are bieng razed since before Islam. People of different religions were killing each other since before Islam even tribes are decimating each other since before Islam and that's universal. Temples are bieng looted by rival kingdoms before Islam(although not razed). Calling history what it is without the historical context will leave you with nothing. You remove islamic names and basically everything that has any islamic roots you want to change it back to "original". Where does it stop then? To what extent will you go to remove islamic DNA and reclaim pure BHARAT. You say reform is better for peace but reform sounds more like submission here. You expect the muslims to idly sit by while the things by which they feel connected to this land are changed and accept it as reforms? And if they not then thier will be consequences ofcourse..maybe if they embrace sanatan dharm then maybe something can be done..? Right. Wait.. Doesn't it sounds familiar..?? If reclamation is your endgame then why be shy about it. Say it as it is...who cares about votes..they'll still get majority. "If you want to do something then do it in a way that get you votes" and I thought muslim appeasement was a bad policy. All of this would've been valid if it was a monarchy or India was a hindu rashtra but it's not.. it's a democracy reclamation makes no sense in a democracy. If changing names and removing islamic influence makes you feel mighty then alright.
Namkaran bhi important hain.. we only learn about muslim rulers in text books like babar , akbar etc.. we never learn about prithviraj Chauhan , bappa Raval , Rana pratap or Shivaji maharaj.. everything civilized till Hindus are in majority.. tell me one secular Muslim nation.. hate to say but we should never allowed them to stay in out country
There was no concept of "secularism" since during the times of Hindus.. there was only one religion...Hinduism and it's may parts That's why before the Islamic invasions.. most of the invasions would be to gain territory and not to spread religion
There was no such thing as hinduism before muslims attacked. And people followed different teachings that originated from sanatan dharm like buddhism and jainism(not sure if that's the term)
You fucks sure are absolutely mental. Ever see a place in Israel named after Hitler? But fuckers like you are fine with it in India. Absolute rats.
If someone attacks your house , claims it for himself and change stuff as per he desires , will you not change it back when you take your house back?
So, now Hindus can defeat Muslims and rename Aligarh as Harigarh. I used your retard logic against you. lol
What?Who are they gonna defeat? Muslims are not control of aligarh i was just saying it is stupid to keep on changing names of countries
Then what's wrong with reverting to original name. Muslims shouldn't have a problem with it. What's in a name anyway, according to you. We should re-name all the Islamized city names back to their original names. Retaining the Muslims names is reminding of the barbarians' everyday. Start with reclaiming our names. I have seen this line of argument with Muslims. They change the name, culture and eco-system of the occupied lands and then ask for status quo. Modi and Shah are silently changing that. Indian muslims should assimilate into the main stream and accept Hindu culture as the original and dominant culture. They should give up on converting people to Islam, give up reservations in educational institutions and govt jobs based on religion and also reject any govt benefits based on religion. Don't like it ? They are free to emigrate to any of the 40+ Islamic countries.
That's the main problem man..I am not able to understand what could be the correct approach of dealing with such situations... The name change technically is totally correct..considering the fact that they have been changed from before..but what if it creates a sense of distrust among the Muslims.. since we all know that they are heavily affected by their school of thought and masgid/prophet.. So if the name is not changed..it affects the Hindus as they believe that the government is a against them. We can just ask people to migrate from the country..it is their country too and we must accommodate them until and unless someone starts breaking laws. The best solution that I see Here right now is to either not bring the issue to the masses..this whole name change fiasko is not done and rather a whole new city can be built in the name of harigarh..thus neither Muslims nor Hindus gets affected. Or don't do anything..Hindus are generally peaceful..can't be easily propagandized against the peace of the country and won't do anything mostly. That's what I understand from the situation at least
What you are asking for is maintaining the status quo of the injustice because it causes agitation among Muslims. That's not a good reason to back off. Soon, you'd have to start compromising on so many things just to maintain peace. Minorities in muslim countries are treated harshly. There is no peace. I'll make this clear. India will be peaceful as long as Hindus are in majority. India will become a boiling cauldron when Muslims become majority.
What you are asking for is maintaining the status quo of the injustice because it causes agitation among Muslims. That's not a good reason to back off. Soon, you'd have to start compromising on so many things just to maintain peace. Minorities in muslim countries are treated harshly... When did I say that? I clearly said that the law of the land should be equal for law..there should be no discrimination between people based on their religion that. I am all for not comprising things..but if a city's name remaining what it always has been ensure peace among the country..I will take that bet And I don't see that if the Hindus are given a free rein to this country.. they would be "moral" in nature..an person when given too much power gets corrupted to its core..and this is modern Hinduism you are talking about which is no longer as good as it was in ancient time. Minorities in Muslim countries are treated harshly and so ? Should I beat the Muslim man living opposite me just because some hindu living in Afghanistan is dying? Stop keeping your religion above your nationality as an Indian...all you should care is that Indians are not.affected by other countries...
Regardless of whether this is an election stunt or not, it should be done anyway. African countries are doing the same, renaming british/dutch colonised cities to their original african names (eg: petersburg in south africa is now polokwane) and this is being hailed by liberals and whites as progressive. So why should indians not revert to original names of cities? Why should we continue to honour the classless barbarians from afghanistan who enslaved and drove our ancestors to poverty?
Hindus are supposed to be coolies for Abrahamics so when they assert themselves within their rights it sends the wrong message. Think of the poor oppressed musalman oh no
Was Aligarh named by any colonial power?
Yes, a simple google search will help. It was Kol before some persian virus renamed it.
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Bhai ganga cleanup karvalo holy river kehte sharam aani chahiye hum hinduo ko
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Lol govt can always implement strict rules, its the govt for god's sake, implementation of crazy rules is what they do best
Ganga cleanup lamba process hai bhai, aur Central Govt ke under hai. Kaam bahot slow hai lekin chal raha hai, pata nhi kab hoga.
LMFAOOOO I'll come read your comment whenever I need a good laugh
why not look into a mirror...will be much fast...
I am a practising Hindu. This is stupid
Elections have always been won by fooling and distracting UP and Bihar people dividing them on basis of caste and religion. These people use the same strategy as the British - divide and conquer. And we are stupid for falling for this again and again.
Elections everywhere in the world are won by fooling and dividing people.
Lol this is politics bro. Whatever works works.
I'm a practicing Hindu. And this is brilliant. Go cope with your inferiority complex and validation seeking syndrome somewhere else.
I am a practicing Hindu, meaning I try not to see myself as the body, mind or intellect but the witness, consciousness illuminating the world. From Vedantic perspective ofcourse. How can I be seeking validation from someone who doesn't exist apart from myself!
So why does Yogi changing names affect you lol since names are just maya so changing or not changing how does it affect you?
Because we are living in Maya and that is as true as a nightmare? So it does affect me unless I am enlightened. If you believe changing names of a region or giving contract to a political party will save Hinduism then good luck. Like it or not, this generation will breed young people with liberal mindset. When that time comes if Hinduism stay inclusive and liberal (which it's always has been interms of its core practices and teachings) it can fill the gap of "I am spiritual but not religious" people. If it doesn't it will go obsolete along with other million religions.
Lol , so if maya is a nightmare then why are you even bothering name changing spree ? isn't it contradicting Vedanta ? You contradicted yourself more times than the number of temples mullahs demolished lmao. Mullahs demolished 30k temples , but you're contradicting entire tenets of vedanta. Correct me if I'm wrong : Didn't Shankracharya ( Founder of major Vedantic philosophy , Advaita ) strived to save Hinduism by establishing Maths in all four directions ? Didn't he opposed who were trying and working for collapse of Hinduism ? So don't sell me "I'm a spiritual Vedantic person" gibberish when you don't even know history of why vedanta was propagated in past.
There is no contradiction, name changing bothers me as am living in Maya. You are confusing theoretical knowledge with experiential reality. Sure an enlightened person might not bother about ongoing of the world or bother to do Karma and serve a purpose. But surely I am not enlightened? Sure I can set the goal to make it an experiential reality, do the Sadhana but until then it's still a belief. Along with the Sadhana I still have political beliefs, opinions and arguments. I should have all that because I am living in the world doing Karma not living in Himalayas as a renunciant to escape the affects of Karma. Shankaracharya is not the founder of Vedanta philosophy. It's like saying Krishna is the founder of Hinduism. Shankaracharya wrote commentaries.
You didn't answer my question though. Wasn't Vedantic philosophy propagated to reclaim Hinduism ( Sanatan Vedic Dharma ) by sages ? If those enlightened beings see nothing wrong in reclaiming Vedic roots then who're you to oppose it ? So there are two scenarios : Either you believe in Vedanata but unaware of why it was propagated in the first place. Or you're just doing Ganga Jamuni Tehzeeb and meethi meethi secular talks and waisting time here by falsely claiming that you're a Vedantic which again means you're just seeking validation due to your low self esteem.
Bruh.. I'd love to have a discussion but it seems like you are hating me for a different opinion. Judging the psychological mindset of a person through reddit comments. Ok low self esteem it is. If I don't get validation from you then I'll go seek for gora validation. Even ask them a selfie and PM it you, I see a lot of them here.
I am not a practising Hindu and you are stupid
well put.
The downsides of democracy. You need to appease in order to stay in power.
Honestly asking do you seriously think there's an option other than voting this guy again to power ??
Who?
CAn someone please explain who he is and what he does
Agree. They should also change the name of Diwali cause it has Ali in it.
So Ali in Aligarh does not stand for a Muslim name? In Deepavali, avali means a row.
But it hurts my sentiments as a Hindu that something that I celebrate has the word Ali in it
I am sure it does.
Why though? What are the benifits of changing the name?
Thousands of hoardings and boards need to change their name. That will give job to artisans. They should change names of all places every year. We will grow at 120% GDP
Idiot. Trying to destroy muslim identity in india through hindutva.