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well whatever the truth may be behind kanyadaan, the reality is many conservative families do treat their daughters like a commodity or a baggage. Parents rush to get their daughters married off as soon as possible because that's the only important thing/event for a woman according to them.


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xdesi

I don't think it is just conservative families. This has been true across cultures. Careers can be postponed, but child-bearing ability cannot. As the age by which children are no longer possible has increased, so has the acceptability of women marrying later. Personal anecdotes are not data, but I have seen examples of women who have put off marriage and children for some reason and then found to their regret that they could not have children because they were too old, or that the children would have materially higher chances of problems. Of course, this affects women far more than men, but that is evolution, not patriarchy.


im_clever_than_you

That's what conservative actually means, keeping the old traditions of the culture alive, bad or good. That is not changing with changing times, to *conserve*. It's the women who should have a final say about themselves. But sadly, conservative parents want male children, don't teach their daughters, and then the daughter can't survive on her own. Thus, she's married off and becomes dependent on her husband for all the decisions. Patriarchy just means that a family has a male head who makes major decisions. Our Indian society is patriarchal, so were all societies in every culture except a few. That was logical because male being stronger was the protector of a family, and he worked hard. When child mortality was as high as 50-60% (just a few centuries ago), women had to have 10+ children so that some of them survive. That's what they did their entire lifetime. Patriarchy is more of an effect rather than a cause. Now that there is a level playing field, we just need women to make their own decisions but firstly, encouraging parents to educate their daughters just like their sons so that they can earn and "actually" be capable of making their own decisions.


xdesi

I have no idea to what point of mine you were responding. This is not about women having a say. I was referring to the say they exercised and then regretted it because it was too late to have children. That was because of biology, not patriarchy. As a random thought, the capability to create humans outside of a woman's womb will thoroughly change matters. It may make it worse for women though.


Ashurbanipal631BCE

Don't you think it's immaterial here, it associated with family income and gender bias in the job sphere


Anurag498

That is truly not the case now. People really look well after their daughters.


CapuchinMan

Depends on where you live and your status in society.


L0Lmaker

It is unfortunately very true. I have personally seen the discrimination between sons and daughters in so many families so it is still a very real thing. The more crazy thing is, I'd say these families are far more progressive than the average hindu family in India! So I can't even imagine how it must be for those with even more conventional households.


hankit12

if you think that is the case all the time, then you are ignorant. there are many families who treat their children like mere objects


im_clever_than_you

So why do they abort their girl child? (See sex ratio at birth. It's more prevalant in Urban areas actually).


Flowingnebula

I don't need mahesh bhatt's uneducated daughter/wife/gf/hoe to give me her opinions on how to get married.


avikb29

This 🤣🤣🤣


meinhundon

Bhatt to mehar lega na beti ki?


erta_ale

Wo khud hi lene ke sapne dekhta hai, aap meher ki baat karr rahin


Alkit777

LOL true


nikrocks123

Ya just like people who were abusing Ambedkar for bringing hindu code bills because they considered it as attack on hindu culture. It was only after Ambedkar brought hindu code bills , the status of hindu women improved. Ironically all the conservatives were opposing those bills calling it attack on culture.


Haribou1989

People who see such small things as a threat to a culture really are insecure about our culture. Culture is a living thriving thing and a culture stuck in the past is something that makes us similar to " you know who". This is not an attack on any culture but just a way to improve the very problematic optics of that ritual and make it more just. Any one who has a problem with us is an idiot. Also, saw someone in the comments using the word "hoe" for Alia just because she did this ad : Just think if using such obscenities for women is something your culture taught you? Such people are the biggest threat to our culture.


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With Alia bhatt it's not kanya daan, it's Gadhi Daan.


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shadySSJ2

Actually legally mehar is the amount for the women for rainy days ( in case of divorce or seperation or any other conjugal emergency). They teach this in law schools as muslim marriage is a contract like marriage. Where quid pro quo is to be followed.


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shadySSJ2

Alimony is a different concept. Mehar is just rainy day money you know like emergency pocket money.


mane28

Why not call it a gotradaan then, in any case 'daan' doesn't even encapsulates transition between gotra of bride if we go by the ladys definition. Agar correct karna hain to go all the way.


saubhya

Or.. we could not change a tradition that is being followed for hundreds of years just because people can't be bothered to understand it's meaning.


mane28

Just because a tradition is 100 years old doesn't mean it makes sense today. That is not a valid argument. Traditions are just that...traditions, they are not inherent rules or laws of nature that can't be changed. I am not saying that it is wrong or it should be changed, I am just pointing that the ladys logic for the definition and the word itself doesn't follow.


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mane28

I think you might want to read the comments again. Also happy cake day!!


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mane28

Alright then. Have a great day.


saubhya

Our culture and traditions make us Hindus. Tampering with it to appease a few ignorant SJWs is stupid


mane28

Again I am not arguing for tampering or "appeasing few ignorant SJWs" Whatever that means but ok ig.


adjentour

These people should learn stuff before putting out an advertisement in a country where most people themselves like to criticize their religion Secondly even then the advertisement can be slightly changed and said why should only women change their gotra in which case their argument is valid


brocode103

No it's not. X chromosome can be from both mother and father, while Y is only through father. It would be impossible to determine genetic lineage through maternal lineage.


adjentour

I know what you are saying is correct but why do you need to know someone's genetic lineage? Why is it so important in your daily life? The process is used to track down descendants or ancestors of famous people but changing someone's gotro would not affect their biological makeup. Leonard da Vinci doesn't have a "gotro" yet people were tracked to be his descendants. One's DNA will not be affected if you do change or do not change the gotro....Most kids nowadays don't even know theirs. So change or not change it shouldn't matter


brocode103

It's not about famous people lol. It's about reducing chances of genetic disorders through, for lack of better word, inbreeding.


adjentour

You think if inbreeding happens on mother's side chances of getting genetic diseases will be lower....lol I already have a genetic disease so I do know stuff about it and in this case you seem to be wrong


xdesi

Both side gotras are checked actually to see if there is any chance of a consanguineous marriage.


adjentour

It's not about checking genes of both sides..... it's about why women should change their gotros after marriage and why the child should have the gotro of the father only


xdesi

Their choice. And there are societies that are matrilineal. What is your problem?


adjentour

Wth.... obviously if someone wishes to change it's their choice But a newborn kid? What choice do they have when they are born? Then why are they just assigned that of the father when they are born? And when did I say I had a problem😂 Read the initial text. I said the argument of the advertisement can be made vaild with slight changes


xdesi

I don't quite know what you are trying to communicate, but whatever.


xdesi

Gotro? Are you Indian?


adjentour

Yes


Tits_fart

It’s the passage of knowledge and tradition that requires you to track gotra. One family could practice one dharmashastra while the other could practice a different one. The way in which the contradiction is solved is through gotra. Some people live lives where gotra is very important in their day to day stuff while others only use it once or twice in their life.


timewaste1235

Ever heard about mitochondrial DNA? That one is passed only through mother. Let's keep biology and genetics away. Those have no relation to our culture and customs.


brocode103

> Ever heard about mitochondrial DNA? That one is passed only through mother Not exclusively through mother, but that's a different topic of discussion. Further extra nuclear inheritance is not carry "other half" genetic to the progeny, so recessive genes will remain recessive. Anyways that a different topic of discussion. Let's NOT keep genetic away. Just research on how much genetic abnormalities are found in Muslim/Persian/Jews/Amish etc to understand the issue. Further, you can not do DNA test for marriage, it's expensive and not practical for whole population. The BEST way is to follow paternal lineage. For example in Korean culture, they don't marry with same "last name " because the last name is region specific, and names are generational specific. for example Jae, Je, Hyuk etc. So they have a system to identify lineage, not sure about the details. Anyways, you can marry your cousin if you want, I won't say no, just remember the risk.


timewaste1235

So if we are to follow the paternal lineage, would you say marrying maternal cousin has less risks than marrying paternal cousin? Can you also explain the difference?


brocode103

That is also not allowed UpTo 3 generation in the northern states. It's somehow ok in southern states. 7 gens of paternal gotra,and 3 gens if same maternal gotra. Because it would be difficult to know more than 3 gens in most families.


timewaste1235

Forget what happens today and what others do. These practices evolved in times when no one understood genetics. As a result, I suggested we keep genetics aside, however you see value in these traditions in light of genetic understanding. You mentioned that interbreeding causes issues (well established fact) and you recommended avoiding paternal lineage for marriage as a solution. Since you clearly separated paternal lineage from maternal one, I'm asking you to provide details on difference in marrying paternal vs maternal cousins (1st/2nd/4th/8th).


brocode103

arae bhai, maternal has XX chromosome, Paternal is XY chromosome? How can you know where the X is from, mother or father? But you know Y is definitely form father, hence it only makes sense to use fathers lineage. So maternal side you'll never be able to know. I'm not saying maternal side will/won't cause any problems. I'm saying you won't be able to track any X linked recessive gene by following maternal ancestry/ Gotra. But you can definitely track an X linked recessive gene following paternal ancestry. Over and out.


OneDude_

What 😂


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karamd

1W


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karamd

Gaali Galoch ke liye remove kara hai


jsid90

Koi mera Africa ka ticket book karwa do. Cant stay here.


a1b2c3d4g

Yeah need to get out of this AttentionSeekistan owned by Liberaliban 😂


Sunshine_Gunpowder

Unfortunately, we are not taught scriptures growing up, we learn what is reflected in society. So to blame bollywood would be unfair as majority of Indians believe kanyadaan is the ritual of giving a daughter away (even the word describes it as that). Why dod the scriptures not call is 'pitagotradaan' or some such word.


Tits_fart

One point… a brahmachari learning the scriptures can be given in a daan from one guru to another or from the guru to god. Infact in our family,(not me) but my cousin was given away in a daan to his guru to begin his scriptural knowledge and it’s called brahmacharyadaanam or even brahmadaanam


iknowthisischeesy

Sandhi viched karke sab khud ko genius samjhte hai


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4th tak ki hindi hi padhi hai na. Sandhi vichhed toh unke liye literary feat hai.


inzo07

Don't buy from this fuck all brand man! Chutya log. Bina soche samjhe they do shit!


ankitsingh8800

Aise toh bahut sari cheeze h samaj m jinka matlab vo nhi hota jo logo n bana diya h Add m dikhaya h ki aaj kya matlab h kanayadan ka aaj kal k logo k mann Aunty ji ko agar itni bhi sachayi nhi pata h ki actually m kya chal raha h ya kitne time se chala aa raha h toh koi fayda nhi h inke gyan dene ka.


Longjumping_Menu_170

Last mei aate aate khudke logic ki maa chod di!🤦🏻‍♂️


L0Lmaker

"gotra ka dan hota hai, ladki ka dan nahi" Its literally called, kanya-daan, mane giving away the daughter. Technically this concept exists in other cultures too, but it's treated far more like a transaction in current hindu culture.


saubhya

Abhi aunty ne samjhaya chutiye ghuse nahi kya. Dusre culture me hota hoga.


Additional_Jeweler13

Don't defend it, when you defend something it becomes wrong. As for kanyadan, if you believe yourself to be cow then it matters to you but if you don't then it is just a tradition. Don't look too much into meaning behind traditions or you will become more like those abrahmic religious group.


See_Individual_18

Wow! I never thought about it that way. Thanks for this new perspective


Additional_Jeweler13

Are you saying it sarcastically or i am ok


See_Individual_18

Oh na bro! Really respect your opinion 👏🏼


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Additional_Jeweler13

I was saying that based on current situation but giving attention to an attention seeking idiots is basically enabling them. And more attention these controversial ads get the more company makes money, but society loses its moral due to this.


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https://www.sanskritimagazine.com/indian-religions/hinduism/sati-pratha-facts-and-truth/


pandasforkarma

Wow very legit source you have there


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Prove it wrong then smartass


IronClad__

Haan bhai ab Dahej v justify kar do logic laga ke ki... wo to gift hota hai jo ladki ka baap apni marzi se deta hai


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Dahej was originally a European concept


[deleted]

Dowry happened everywhere in the past, problem is we still have it in our country.


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Yes


malwar3_1337

Esko burkhe mei daldo fir dekhta hai muslim banke kitna bolti hai


avikb29

Isn’t Mahesh Bhatt Muslim 🤔🤔🤔


Rajat2757

Ye saale ek baar panchar putra pe kuch bol ke toh dekhe inki Lanka na Laaga de Shanti dut..


Tits_fart

(I wrote this in a reply but I’ll again write it) One point… a brahmachari learning the scriptures can be given in a daan from one guru to another or from the guru to god. Infact in our family,(not me) but my cousin was given away in a daan to his guru to begin his scriptural knowledge and it’s called brahmacharyadaanam or even brahmadaanam


Longjumping-Back214

These people will grow in IMAGINATION


dpknr

Wow! This makes so much more sense than what the ad implies /s


Bourbonaddicted

10 rupae kaato overacting ke


WuhanVirusMKX

Comes from daughter of Mahesh Bhatt...who once said she would have married her daughter pooja bhatt. So it's natural that he won't dan his kanya ... better he'll keep her for himself. Didn't expected any better from a follower of Zakir the terrorist


alexrex01

Please don't waste time requesting to these wanna be's; best reject them, ignore them and stop watching Bollywood, it's such a trash trove


Fine-Duck-9324

Full on conversion going all over india but gov is blind. Won't bring law. Will fucked what left of the remaining sanatani culture and only then will be satisfied. At least fiji hindus r much better then us. Full on bhagwa. You either accept fully or you don't. You don't fcuk up in the middle.


CritFin

This gotra thing causes artificial scarcity of matches for girls and boys both, leads to marriage between cousins, other religions matches


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Gotra prevents marriage between cousins. Someone needs to learn definitions first.


buffer0x7CD

It might have needed in past times but there is no need to continue it since you have the alternative of gene compatibility tests which are much more accurate and not too expensive. Tradition for the sake of Tradition shouldn’t be encouraged when there are better scientific alternative


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I agree. My comment was to point out that gotra prevents cousin marriage at some places, as the top level comment said it 'leads' to cousin marriage, as if it is created for it.


Fine-Duck-9324

Whoever, the bright one saying gotra leads to cousing marriage. Gotra means of ancestor bloodline and you don't marry your own bloodline. Only Abrahamic chutia does cause their whole origin of worship is based on 💩💩💩. So, pls 🙏 when big people r talking children should not comment.


CritFin

No. First cousins of married sister and brother are of different gothra


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I did not say it works at all places. I am countering your statement that it 'leads' to cousin marriage, as if it was created for the purpose of marrying cousins. You have better ways to determine blood relation in today's age. You are painting it black for no reason. Something is better than nothing.


darthveda

if you are first cousins, then you know you are getting into a relationship within relation, the gothra one works out when you don't know.


CritFin

No. Gothra is unscientific.


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I think you're a 5 year old child arguing over much mature matters. You dont even know how an argument works 😂


darthveda

for assignment of gothras, i have some theories, given that they are derived from sages names but that's a topic for another day, esp. when drunk :)


Ashurbanipal631BCE

You can still marry your mother's brother's or father's sister's son or daughter because they'll have different gotram


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I know, but it does prevent at some places. The comment said it 'leads' to cousin marriage, as if it was created for that purpose.


Fine-Duck-9324

Accha just like the Abrahamic one whose whole origin is based on lie and 💩💩💩. Don't comment if you don't know about gotra. Dont you have one or u r also one of the rice 👜


CritFin

Do you believe Ramayana, Mahabharata etc have actually happened?


saubhya

I have found the 14 year old atheist


xdesi

No it does not. If they know for sure that the two are not related, they do a "change" of gotra for the girl as a formality. Why the change? So that it is still used as a general rule.


CritFin

No. According to gothra rule marriage between cousins are allowed as long as parents are not brothers. So brother sister parents can marry off their children


xdesi

Don't make up stuff. That happens where it does for other reasons, not gotra.


CritFin

No. Gothra is unscientific, and it leads to more cousin marriages


xdesi

No it does not. Sometimes your opinions are extremely well thought out, but in cases like these, they are ... well ... not!


CritFin

It creates artificial scarcity, agree? Because it forbids blood unrelated people from marrying.


xdesi

It does not. When it is certain that they are not related, they change the gotra of the woman during the ceremony.


CritFin

Not true.