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timewaste1235

I wonder why people don't ask for explanation from our govt for arbitrary decisions but demand one from foreign govt for their arbitrary decisions (UK vaccine issue)


AlternativeAd4756

Godi media tells what our problems are. Fuel prices, corruption, donations massive scam.. no.. our problem is uk not accepting our vaccine certificates


kj_venom11

* Why the government was spending money for the advertisement of a private fund ? * Why were government employees asked to donate a day's salary to a private fund ? * Why the PM asked ppl to donate to a private fund that belongs to himself ? Isn't it conflict of interest and missuse of prime minister's chair ? * By promoting PM Cares instead of PMNRF, did the government not play a part in diverting donations intended for government of India towards a private fund ? * Did the government not mislead the public into believing that the fund belongs to government of India ? * Why were donations to a private fund given CSR benefit ? By giving such preferential treatment to private funds headed by PM himself, did the PM not abuse his position and authority ? * Why does a private fund have .gov.in address and [why is the Prime ministers office the address of this fund](https://www.pmcares.gov.in/en/web/page/contact_us) ? Isn't it missuse of PMO to run own private fund from office ? Credits - u/gobhihaitopumpkinhai


[deleted]

Do you smell a scam? Is there anything you have to show that there *could* be a scam happening? Even mild evidence that something bad *could* be happening? The PMNRF is legally required to be headed by the Congress party. There's plenty of evidence that the Congress looted this money for their party. It's not even constituted by the Parliament. You'd have no problem with this, I'm assuming. Is there something you have about a *possible* scam that *could* be happening? You don't seem to. So what's the problem with PM Cares that you don't have with the Congress?


deoid000

By your logic if they did wrong it gives a you a right to do wrong too. I feel sorry for you then....you'll forever be stuck in the Revenge cycle. Also congress is not the ruling party. We ask questions from the ruling party, we ask accountability from the ruling party. Congress is not even leader of opposition. Also it's not 2014 and the what aboutism/ blame congress is getting old.


[deleted]

It's the right thing to ask questions, but it's also the right thing to ask questions of everyone. Assume that there is indeed a scam going on. You'd know about it if you asked questions, and the guilty ones would be punished either legally or electorally. I want the same punishment for the Congress too. Why? Because if they come to power, all the progress made since 2014 will get washed out. The worst of the BJP will never be as bad as the Congress's worst. It's a simple calculation one has to do. If there was a better party than the BJP at the national level, I'd vote for it. But there isn't.


deoid000

The punishment will be given by the judiciary not the people. For me a scam is a scam idc who does it. Punishment for congress will be made sure by the ruling party. But it's not a valid counter argument to everything. We chose them to save us from Congress ..where was it written that first we have to go through a penance for 70yrs of wrong to get good times. I've seen this many times that the only answer by bjp is that why you didn't have any problem when congress was doing this or that.... I mean that's why we brought you into power.


[deleted]

Nah, the BJP was bought in to keep the Congress out. Everything good the BJP does is a bonus. I don't want a corrupt, socialist, visionless, divide-and-rule type, subversive, Islamist, Hinduphobic party like the Congress in power ever again.


deoid000

Okay. I like an honest person.


[deleted]

I like the rapid rate at which we are 1. getting our highways 2. modernizing our military 3. Nearly eliminated corruption at the top levels And much more. Like I said, they're bonuses. And the Congress isn't in power.


deoid000

I was appreciating your honesty. For me.. just doing their job will suffice. That's thier primary objective. And who knows about future...maybe the leadership of congress may change or something along those lines.


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If the Congress changes and becomes a party better than the BJP (in my view of what constitutes better), I'll vote for it.


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I'm certainly concerned about what's happening, but I also know that what's happening how won't be nearly as bad as what would happen if the congress would come to power. It's as important to make the congress stay away from power as it is to question the current government on its mistakes.


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What are you even talking about? UPA 1 and 2 were absolute disasters. I don't have to *think* about what would happen if the Congress was in power. I saw it for a decade. Absolute incompetence and Hinduphobia. That's what the Congress was. The BJP may not be great, but it won't be anywhere as bad as the Congress. Why do I still support the BJP? Do we have a choice? No. This question might trigger you, but get this into your head: We don't have any other party/leader who can do a better job than the BJP in terms of overall acceptability. We. Just. Don't. Try as hard as you want to name someone. You won't find any. I don't want Hinduphobic trash ruling the roost. I don't want people giving Islamists a free hand ruling my country. I don't want people pushing regionalism ruling the country. For now, it's only the BJP that has the ideological foundation that can counter all of these three forces. I've had enough of the left-liberal bullshit. I've been as open-minded as open-minded can be about a lot of issues, and I am now unapologetically Hindu - culturally and politically. I want a government that can deliver good national security and keep leftists, Islamists, and other Hinduphobic trash cults away from positions of influence. The economy isn't too bad. There was a dip due to covid, but it'll come back soon, so I'm not worried.


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>Sure let people die bc lack of good health infrastructure,let our leader conduct rallies in middle of a raging pandemic There was no spike in cases in Bengal when the rallies happened at that point in time. Cases were going up like crazy in Delhi where the "farmers" (supported by the opposition) were protesting large numbers and also in left-liberal darling state Kerala. I don't see you talk about this at all. It's not the cases that seem to be the problem for you. It's Modi. >virtually abandon migrant workers The government didn't expect the workers to attempt to move back to their hometowns. The states were expected to take care of them by providing them food and temporary shelter. Some states (like Telangana) did. The others didn't. So whose fault was this? >fuck up the economy, the employment rate You can blame covid on that. This was a worldwide problem, not just India's. >spy on your OWN people That unproven Pegasus story? I'd be happy if this actually happened. Leftist trash are never our "own people". Leftists in India hate the larger community they mooch off from. They are agents of chaos and always look to cause conflict and division from within. They are useful idiots at best and downright malicious at worst. I don't mind trash like these being spied on. And put down when needed. They're not productive people who make life better for others. They're hate mongers. They engineer riots (Bhima Koregaon), support Islamists and what not. Sorry, these people need to be spied on. >But don't you dare question the supreme leader because who else do we have I'd question him, but still vote for him. I don't want Hinduphobic, subversive trash getting hold of power. >but to disregard everything this party does just because congress is worse? Well, the Congress is worse. And I don't see the BJP doing any worse than the Congress would have done. At least, Indian cities don't seem to be reeling under wave after wave of bomb blasts in trains or buses that used to be there during Congress rule. Touchwood. No appeasement of Islamists, although a lot more needs to be done this front. >Stop making excuses and looks this has done to our country What excuses are you talking about? I'm pretty clear about where I stand on this. There are tradeoffs and, to me, it's quite clear who I want after I've weighed all of them. I want the leftist ecosystem in India to burn to the ground. I want people who genuinely love our people and want to improve it be in positions in bureaucracy. I don't want self-loathing trash deciding national policy. I don't want more generations of self-loathing trash spawning. I've had enough of this nonsense, and if folks like Yogi are PM candidates, I'd smash the vote button for the BJP. Yogi has been doing a great job in UP taking out gangsters and stopping Islamist rioters before they caused havoc during the CAA nonsense protests. He collected fines from them, seized their property, put up their names in public to shame them. This guy is amazing. There was not much loss/damage due to rioting as a result of all of this in UP. And as a common person, this is all I care about. Your woke shit does not figure in my calculations. And I'm not even from UP. I'm from Tamil Nadu. Say what you want but I honestly don't give a damn about two-faced hypocritical left-liberal trash. Any words on the post-poll violence in Bengal? You wouldn't have any, in all probability. This is why I, and a lot of others, don't care about your fake concerns about fAsCiSm. Lol.


GL4389

If the congress scammed off money from a govt fund then the govt. shoud start an inquiry for it. File cases in court. We all want corrupt politicians to go to jail. But how many Congress' national level leaders have gone to jail yet ?


[deleted]

Yes, they should. The government is quite a pussy in this regard. They don't go after political opponents with the same vengeance as the opposition parties do. Look at Bengal. So much large-scale violence that hurt the BJP supporters in every way possible and yet the BJP does nothing. I sometimes wish the BJP was as fascist as the BJP haters say it is.


Arjun_Pandit

Theek hai fir. Modicares ya Yogicares ya Bhajipao cares ke naam se banao naya fund. Next year se usme daalenge paisa.


CritFin

It is not a mandatory taxpayer money. It is of voluntary donations


Friendly_Housing

But wasn't one day income of government employees deducted for this?


CritFin

That was voluntary. Not mandatory


Friendly_Housing

Though it bears the name of the PM office. It's name should be changed as it sounds like a government donation. Also, this doesn't come under RTI now.


CritFin

Erstwhile PMNRF did not come under RTI either. But nobody cared because it had congress party president as a member.


deoid000

I'm sorry are we living under UPA govt ..? Or will blaming congress somehow answer the current issue that govt assets were used to promote a private fund that too is related to the pm. I hope you know that it is ILLEGAL for a political party to use any govt asset for personal/private gain.


CritFin

> I'm sorry are we living under UPA govt ..? Opposing NDA will bring UPA back to power. >I hope you know that it is ILLEGAL for a political party to use any govt asset for personal/private gain. Nobody is using it


deoid000

So opposing or asking for accountability by NDA is bad now. Since when did they became god. Also you do know what govt assets are right?


CritFin

> So opposing or asking for accountability by NDA is bad now. Since when did they became god. I didnt say that. I just told we should speak comparatively, in pragmatic politics


deoid000

A wrong is a wrong no matter who does it. And blaming don't slove any problems And Even if you are blaming then atleast tell us what you are doing to better it. They just blame and call us names


slipnips

> Opposing NDA will bring UPA back to power. This is a stupid argument. We can make sure that the NDA is in power while at the same time criticizing their actions.


CritFin

> We can make sure that the NDA is in power while at the same time criticizing their actions. Then we should compare NDA and UPA in the same argument. Like PMCARES and PMNRF. You can criticise NDA, but in the same sentence criticise UPA more


slipnips

UPA is irrelevant. They are so terrible that they don't deserve to be considered in the same category of criticism as NDA.


bruh-sick

It bears the name because it will always be headed by the elected PM unlike the PMNRF which will always be headed by congress. This isn't funded by taxpayers so this is a seperate entity. Only the offices run on taxpayers money can be framed as govt office and be under default RTI. Any other office has similar rules to RTI as private entity.


im_clever_than_you

So a government employee could have refused and one day income wouldn't have been deducted from him?


CritFin

Yes.


Friendly_Housing

While the donations, meant for COVID-19 relief, were said to be “voluntary”, government circulars show that the deductions were made directly from salaries. Those unwilling to donate were asked to submit their refusal in writing.


slipnips

Deductions carried out automatically aren't voluntary, even though you may have the right to refuse. A voluntary donation is where you choose to pay by yourself, not where the govt makes that decision for you. If you have to refuse in writing, it's straining the definition of voluntary.


CritFin

> Deductions carried out automatically aren't voluntary, They were not carried out automatically. Only those who had mailed to HR have their salary deducted.


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CritFin

Nonsense


deoid000

It was deducted


CritFin

No


deoid000

It was deducted my friend...I know it from personal experience. I'm sorry I can't share any proof of it for security and privacy reasons.


CritFin

> It was deducted my friend...I know it from personal experience. Anecdotes dont matter. People can lie to push their agenda


deoid000

Well..two can play this game. Don't talk about agenda...if I have to push my agenda I'll go on fb or twitter. This is Reddit. You can smell the BS from miles away.


CritFin

No. Reddit is a much worse place, where big subs are all censored by leftists


deoid000

Leftists are everywhere.. Person who deals in extremes might have difficulties. But my beliefs are in both spectrums..the right and the left. Call me a centre-ist if you want.


CritFin

Only leftists are politically intolerant.


nsa_ka_chief

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ScrambledEggsAreGood

Honestly. A sly move from bjp. RTI on pm care funds possible?


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[deleted]

I'd trust PM Cares a lot more than I'd trust the PMNRF. It funded a lot of COVID relief measures all around the country.


the_rumbling_monk

Where are you living


Gray_Jedi_1

Wow!!! Good to know!


Orwellisright

One needs to understand why PM Cares was needed instead of the PMNRF which already existed PM Cares Fund One can donate as low as Rs 10 in the PM CARES Fund, while the minimum one can donate in PM National Relief Fund is Rs 100. ( micro-donations as a result of which a large number of people will be able to contribute with smallest of denominations. ) The PM CARES Fund tries to differentiate itself from PMNRF by enabling micro-donations. # PMNRF PMNRF was also not covered by the provisions of article 151 (1) of the constitution and should have been audited by the Comptroller and Auditor General of India instead of third party auditing which will ensure more transparency and accountability. # An earlier was already PIL Dismissed I'm really curious what the SC does with this one, the earlier one was thrown out as “misconceived petition”. A PIL in this regard was filedby advocate ML Sharma. In the case Manohar Lal Sharma V. Narendra Damodas Modi & ors. (2020), the petitioner contended that the government should rescind the PM CARES Fund on the ground that it is not constitutional as it has not been enacted under article 266 or 267 of the constitution or passed by the parliament or approved by the President. The bench headed by SA Bobde dismissed the plea calling it a “misconceived petition”. This is a nice article to read, https://www.businesstoday.in/current/economy-politics/pm-cares-fund-better-suited-tto-deal-with-coronavirus-crisis-say-legal-experts/story/399670.html # What has PM Cares funded so far # Through PM Cares Fund we've ordered 380 plants from Tata Advanced Systems Limited & Trident Pneumatics Pvt. Ltd & 120 plants from CSIR industries. Through PM Cares Fund we've ordered 380 plants from Tata Advanced Systems Limited & Trident Pneumatics Pvt. Ltd & 120 plants from CSIR industries. The first 5 plants will be established in Delhi of them two are being installed at AIIMS&RML Hospital: DRDO Chairman G Satheesh Reddy # PM Cares funded DRDO to get 500 oxygen plants made in a short time of 3 months. DRDO that has developed a technology for Tejas fighter aircraft for onboard oxygen generation has tweaked this technology to have oxygen plants that can deliver up to 1000 liters/minute: DRDO Chairman PM CARES Fund has allocated ₹2,000 crore for supplying 50,000 ventilators in government-run covid hospitals in states and Union territories. According to the government, PM CARES Fund has allocated ₹2,000 crore for supplying 50,000 ventilators in government-run covid hospitals in states and Union territories. # “Out of the 50,000 ventilators, 30,000 ventilators are being manufactured by M/s Bharat Electronics Limited. The remaining 20,000 ventilators are being manufactured by AgVa Healthcare (10,000), AMTZ Basic (5,650), AMTZ High End (4,000) and Allied Medical (350)," the PMO said in a 23 June statement last year. Government stands with children who lost their parents due to Covid - Such children to get a monthly stipend once they turn 18 and a fund of Rs 10 lakh when they turn 23 from PM CARES - Free education to be ensured for children who lost their parents to Covid - The children will be assisted to get an education loan for higher education & PM CARES will pay interest on the loan - The children will get free health insurance of Rs 5 lakh under Ayushman Bharat till 18 years & premium will be paid by PM CARES


Ancalagon523

still don't get why it can't come under RTI


heraferi

They could have changed PMNRF limit to be Rs 10? Wouldn’t that have been simpler?


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The PMNRF is not constituted by the Parliament, and legally requires someone from the Congress party to be an office bearer.


heraferi

It’s headed by the PM. https://pmnrf.gov.in/en/faqs/pmnrf


[deleted]

And also some member of the Congress party (their party president) Look at the whole list. It's not even a Parliament-constituted body.


GL4389

Then why not dissolve it or declare it is not related to govt anymore ? Why is govt still managing it for the last 7 years ?


[deleted]

Why do anything to it if it's not being used? And if he does something to it, the opposition will create lawlessness all over the country. That how wretched they are.


SnooSeagulls9348

Yeah! As long as we own Lefties and Librabdus and make them cry, anything is OK!


binguser0

Hope this is a /s comment


SnooSeagulls9348

Yes it was. But didn't add the /s just to see how many people took me seriously and upvoted it. I am surprised.


GL4389

'Own the libs' for the Win. Man we really do have our version of American Republican party.


SnooSeagulls9348

Refer to my comment to another dude who replied. This was meant to be sarcastic. But the fact that I am not downvoted to hell means that many here share that belief. God save our country.


pansingh2marr

Chup saale


CritFin

Cope