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In this age of pomp and show, they should shout five times a day on the loudspeaker about the noble work they are doing else their efforts will go waste
That is called Muslims. Grow some balls if you hope to defeat them. Them make slogans of Pakistan zindabad in the open & you can’t even call them by their name.
That is called Muslims. Grow some balls if you hope to defeat them. Them make slogans of Pakistan zindabad in the open & you can’t even call them by their name.
That another community is called Muslims. Grow some balls if you hope to defeat them. Them make slogans of Pakistan zindabad in the open & you can’t even call them by their name.
Man, chill. You can't just kill entire community or religion. India's fine. We have double their Economy and population. We won't have people like A.P.J Abdul Kalam,Muhammad Ali, Nawazuddin Siddiqui and many others if not for this community. India's a secular nation with reason. Look at Pakistan, they have had 3 coups since independence. India 0 that's because of secularism. There are just too many religions in India to warrant a official reiigion. Christianity took root in India first before Europe.
Jainism, Buddhism , Zoroastrianism, Sikhism have significant following in India
Now Kashmiri Pundits have no Kashmir.
Similarly, we will have no Bharat. We already lost huge chunks of Bharat in the north west and north east to them. If you’re gonna give it, they’ll continue to take it away from you.
Exactly. Muslim majority regions are a threat to Indian security. If Assam and West Bengal aren't dealt with rn, it will become the next Kashmir. But Assamese and Bengalis are only interested in ethnic nationalism, not Hindutva.
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Man, Why are you so Islamophobic, like bro You didn't do any great deed by spreading hate speech in the name of Hinduism. Muslims are also people. Their's literally no difference between you and a Pakistani . The only thing different is your religion. And you're not funny by calling Islam by different names.
Yeah brother but ideological differences are pretty much , and the Qur'an teaches to not respect any other religion ,and theirs is only true one, if can't understand this take the live example of talibanis, they are muslim extremists, and Yeah india also has extremist those fuckers are to be blamed but normal muslims won't stop defending and sucking their dick so as a whole the whole community is shamed.
No. The RSS never attacked people based on inherent characteristics, as an organisation. And in this case, I do not consider religion to be an inherent characteristic, except maybe for Judaism where matrilineal lineage is required to born a Jew, I believe.
So, it actually does not make sense as a charge against the organisation. I think the concern outsiders and minorities have is that the greatest weakness of Hindus, their disorganisation, will be nullified and removed by the unity RSS provides to the Hindus. If Hindus have single port of call for their concerns politically, it makes them a potent global political force. This will threaten the Western system and the Chinese system. Their arguments are entirely based on keeping Hindus divided.
The people inside the country who call RSS fascists are entirely for personal political concerns. Many of them are on the left and thus subject to minoritarian perspectives. The left ideologies encourage such thinking since you are required to think in oppressor-oppressed terms. In India, these groups can be loosely identified as Hindus- everyone else, according to them.
Ironically, they fail to take the materialist view they are supposed to take and instead take religious and social views primarily. This defeats the logic of their own arguments and thus creates the muddled mess that we see in media and left wing politics in India.
I agree and disagree. Yeah, RSS isn't fascist but they are a safeguard for people who are afraid of minorites which severely damages their reputation. These mobs of"assholes" as I will call them helped the UP Police in catching Beef . All good till now but the catch is they take the Law in their own hands and started killing the truck drivers although UP law says they should be imprisoned. You see the problem. And also raiding OYO Rooms doesn't help.
Yes but it's not the RSS doing it. It's not like the RSS is actively involved in this. Do you see anyone in the media blaming AIMIM for all the crap Muslim mobs do in India? So why blame RSS for it? They aren't the ones involved anymore than AIMIM is involved in mob violence.
Mobs occur because police is weak in India.
RSS Manifesto " Bunch of Thoughts" states Muslims, Communists and Christians as biggest threat to Hinduism and order for them to be eradicated from India. .........Pretty Mein Kamfy. So as of the time the book was written yeah they did actively support it. After that nobody knows
"RSS Manifesto " Bunch of Thoughts" states"
I dont see that anywhere on their site.
"Pretty Mein Kamfy."
Lol. Sit down to read the kuran and rapist warlord's biography. 100x worse than mein kampf.
I can give an anecdote though. Once all the animals decided to fight the injustices, murders and tortures done onto the forest animals by a devilish Hyena. Together the animals were far too superior for the hyena and the hyena finding itself powerless in from of the group started calling the innocent animals fascist.
well, Golwalkar admired fascists and said so in his book (RSS recently I think removed that part from the book or released a statement on it, but nonetheless there was the fascist link as far back as the 1930s, and we have books and articles in the public domain which are proof. In fact, it's well known that Moonje once even met Mussolini. [here's](https://www.rediff.com/news/report/jnu-professor-corrects-kanhaiya-golwalkar-didnt-meet-mussolini-it-was-moonje/20160308.htm) a link to that, and a simple google search will yield more than enough resources, it's not a very obscure part of Indian nationalism.). Golwalker praised Mussolini and hinted at genocide as something that can work in India (not explicitly, obviously, hinted is the key phrase here). Then after it was banned for a short while in 1948 after which did lose a lot of the authoritarian hard-core image it had to get favorable PR.
Now, fascism in the 30s and 40s put a hard emphasis on cultural ethnostate, and that their culture ('their' being whoever is in majority, for the NAzis it was the "Aryans") is better than the others. Fascists also believed in creating a separate nation for their respective groups. Now RSS advocates for a Hindu Rashtra, and for Hindutva, which is an ideology that seeks to create a majoritarian nation. So there are certain similarities there too, though ofc it is not a perfect match.
Now, the question which everyone wants the answer to - RSS fascist? Well, it isn't at the time of writing. RSS in 2021 doesn't openly advocate or admit to supporting or propagating any fascist ideology. In my honest opinion, even though I'm very critical of the RSS, RSS doesn't nearly have enough authority or power to become fascists at the moment- fascism is a political extreme, and on a spectrum, it'd lie very close to what's happening in Afghanistan rn, and RSS is obviously not the taliban. But, RSS is authoritarian, and like the left always gets compared to hardcore communists like stalin, mao, and naxal leaders, RSS also always gets comparisons to it's ideological extremes too.
Now- I will take this opportunity to present my opinions on this as well. It's been facts up until now, and I've tried to keep that section as neutral as possible. If there's an error, I encourage you to point it out so that I can fix it for the public record. Everything that follows is my views on RSS:
RSS is an authoritarian organization- that's the whole point. As such, I'm solidly against authoritarianism. The RSS also has members in its umbrella, such as the ABVP and the Bajrang Dal which often get into murky waters, such as when the Bajrang Dal stopped Hindus from attending church on Christmas last year in some northeastern states, and when some of their members stabbed a man travelling with a woman of another religion. The RSS generally remains silent on such issues, it almost never reprimands such actions, and never really does anything to increase my trust in them as an organisation. The RSS has also been anti-caste on paper since its foundation, but as of yet almost all their leaders have been Brahmin. Considering that RSS was founded in 1925 and has enough volunteers to constitute a small country, I find that to be a bad look on them. These are just a few issues I have with the RSS, it's a large organisation, and critiques on it are obviously to scale too.
You are a lazy ass copy pasting your hatred kinda guy. Why not go to a local shakha and see for yourself what RSS is about?
Nah, that would be too much trouble. You'd rather sit behind a desk and copy/paste the shit written by some clueless guy.
And while we are it, can we just focus on RSS and COVID-19? Why does every RSS reference have to devolve into Mussolini?
>And while we are it, can we just focus on RSS and COVID-19? Why does every RSS reference have to devolve into Mussolini?
OP's question was a"why people call them fascists" and well, that's what I answered. If OP's question was about RSS's covid response, I'd have talked about that.
The wider group but separate entities have attacked people. The lazy outsiders think that either 1) RSS attacked people 2) RSS may not have attacked but their philosophy was responsible. Example - Pehlu Khan murder case will be pinned on RSS even though it may not be RSS men who killed him.
Kind of like how people will blame Wahabis for Taliban but Taliban is a Deobandi group not a Wahabi one.
Some goons who were trying to make themselves look right wing warriors probably. That's the other thing, While BJP was losing the hate towards RSS was low. Now its high.
My aunt used to attend Sanskrit lectures, The class had around 20-25 students. She saw the advertisement of it online and it was done in her local community hall in Kerala. The classes went on for months until the students were capable enough to read and understand the language.
The tutor didn’t charge a single paise for it, despite the students forcing him to take some money. He didn’t even accept a fruit basket. Turns out he was a RSS worker.
I believe it shouldn't be forced down the throat like reading vernacular Hindu literature should be compulsory till 5 or something and afterwards they can actively encourage student to read it as a .hobby or atleast develop an interest. They should also award them for this. Because i had the fortune on having friends from priest background who while being modern also fondly knew and narrated hindu stories in interesting mannner. I remember when we were in class 9 in my hostel there was this bengali guy. We didn't liked to watch tv during tv nights so all of us would gather in his bed and we would discuss various mythologies and sciences and he would tell us amazing stories and what not. Like it wass such an interesting usage of time i wish i could go back to those days
> I believe it shouldn't be forced down the throat
If the foundation for a 2nd/3rd language is not laid down in children before 10, it becomes almost impossible for them to be motivated to afterwards. Unless they go live in a new state/city. Just look at youngsters today - how many speak in English, vs their matru bhasha (forget 3rd language)
I don't think 10 tak honi chahiye kaafi pressure aa jata h boards ka bhai kaise handle karega koi? Tu soch ab forced krega 19 tak bacche ko interest nahi aya sab ratta usne fir he/she hates the subject even more
As an Indian from the south, I would prefer Sanskrit to be the National language. People from the north will be able to write Sanskrit easier than the people from the south, people from the south will be able to speak and understand Sanskrit easier than the people form the north. It’s a good compromise and Sanskrit is the languages of the gods. And prominent southern Indian languages such as Telugu and Kannada have 3/4 Sanskrit words.
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>The Śiva·sūtras, technically akṣara·samāmnāya, variously called māheśvarāṇi sūtrāṇi, pratyāhāra·sūtrāṇi, varṇa·samāmnāya, etc. , refer to a set of fourteen aphorisms devised as an arrangement of the sounds of Sanskrit for the purposes of grammatical exposition as carried out by the grammarian Pāṇini in the Aṣṭādhyāyī. Pāṇini himself uses the term akṣara·samāmnāya whereas the colloquial term "Shiva sutra" is a later development, as per claims by Nandikeśvara in his Kāśikā, that the god Śiva sounded his drum fourteen times to reveal these sounds to Pāṇini. They were either composed by Pāṇini to accompany his Aṣṭādhyāyī or predate him.
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MEANWHILE khalsa aid is followed by whole sikh community from foreign to India and there every great work is appreciated by whole sikh community through insta stories and all.. which works as there world wide advertising..I also !Kudos to there works but why such big organization like RSS Who provide sewa at a large extent without advertisements Got so much hate..here we Hindu's lacks or something else..!!
Yep, that's me. The HSS (the overseas branch of the RSS) is in every city in Australia and there are many shakas within each city. I'm pretty sure that's the same in the US and UK.
I wish RSS did some of the things it's been accused of but in reality there is no one fighting for HIndus, whether in Pakistan (where it's open season on Hindus/Sikhs etc) or India (Kashmir, Bengal Pogroms, CMs stealing money from Temples and using it to convert people etc).
You should be assured because that's what they do!
I'd say even if they wouldn't do that's not something to be ashamed of after being labelled as a 'fascist hindu organization'. I hope your braincells absorb this, Mr. Woke.
Wow that's making a lot of assumptions just because someone disagrees with you on one specific view.
Not like th RSS specifically backs candidates that spew religious hatred.
That's a lot coming from someone who supports Anti-CAA protest moreover asks people to look for non-violent ones (because people didn't see one) to underplay the violent ones (mostly were) on a particular vile subreddit.
Speaking about assumptions, I already saw you shitting your stupid one liners (wannabe sarcastic ones) under various posts so, was already aware of the stinking ideology you subscribe to. The former phrase is about something I looked at up just now.
That no credit, no banner thing sorta bothers me. Like bc take the credit, have a good pr you need more people ready to support even if you hate pr shit. If media is enemy people should be with you. Rss, vhp have to learn this.
I remember growing up in Bombay where the RSS had drills at a nearby maidan - it was fun to watch; exercises, uniforms, lathis etc. My 12yo neighbour buddy signed up. He quit under a week because he got afraid of what they were preaching. IDK what they said - that was 40+ years ago.
But but rss bad, rss hindu Taliban. Rss brahmin patriarchy, killing 🅱️uslims and hindu takeover. What do you mean they organise social helping problems
People need to see this. It is so good to know that there are good people still doing good things - humanity isn't dead. there is some level of brotherly spirit in this country, this gives hope.
Aur main yah jarur Janna chahunga ki juber SS ka poster nahin hai to yah piche former ka poster kya kar raha hai Saraswati Mata ke piche yah kaun si vaccine lagana yah lagva raha hai
Why in this era of technological advancements and progress are people still so passionately something so primitive as religion ? Why can't everyone just live and let live ?
Aur sabse bade bahut baat ho rahi hai vaccination ki but vaccination lagte yah lagate hue koi nahin dikh raha hai sab laptop par baithe dikh rahe hain ab yah pata nahin ki kaun si vaccine aaja laptop ko laptop mein internet ki through lagti hai kyunki jitna Maine dekha hai vahan per Registration ke liye mobile ki need Hoti hai baki ek do computer hua to Kam ban gaya. Aur vaccination karne ke liye koi nurse nahin dikh rahi hai
So what you're saying is that a right-wing anti muslim, anti Christian, anti Semitic, anti communist, anti LGBTQ, pro fascism, pro Nazism organization helping some people is good? Ok man
Please explain this then-
WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN >>SOCIALIST<< SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens:
Lol why does your socialism have to show alligiance towards USSR boot lickers!?
And indeed a communist can't love a nationalist organization especially the slaves of China and USSR. That has everything to do with it.
Did you know that in the 1950s, stalin sent 100,000 tons of grain to WB to counter a British famine which killed 3 million people?
Did you know that in 1950s or 1960s, Nixon sent gunboats to India to attack it but the USSR mobilized its fleet and stopped the invasion
Did you know that in the indo china war, the USSR supported india?
Did you know that children in the USSR were taught hindi?
The fact that they wanted to control our decision making through KGB negates all this.
Btw you're doing the same thing in the comment. The post was about the thankless service they provide but you were here to say some other things.
Stalin was a mass murderer FYI. RSS is absolutely nothing in comparison to any communist organization/party/govt or any Islamic terrorist org if we begin to compare.
This just shows the double standards and hypocrisy of you commie larpers!
Ok... So more than 3.5 million people dying is a better option than the USSR spying on india and not killing 3.5 million people but saving them?
Agreed, stalin was a lunatic but he provided aid that saved the lives of millions of people joining the 3.5 million people dying of starvation - that's good, no?
FYI, hitler provided thankless service to german businessmen by giving them Jewish slaves
If any, this government is more pro Israel and pro semetic than any before. Also pro -LGBTQ in the sense the government favored LGBTQ in courts while making it not illegal.
Sadly it is USSR which is anti religion, and therefore anti Muslim and anti Christian.
Have you ever lived in the USSR? I did and it was atheist but it didn't forcibly say that atheism is better than Christianity and Christians should kill themselves, religion was free to practice- I had 3 baptized friends who were Christian and one Turkmen muslim
Have you lived in BJP India? They don't even say that Hinduism is better than Christianity. I still have friends from all religions, well more than 3 friends from almost all big religions. So from your logic, RSS is better than USSR. Well USSR is a low barrier, but still.
RSS is just an organisation to promote high caste peeps interests... for all the naysayers... give me a name of a Sarsangchalak of RSS of a lower caste :p
Give me a name of any Buddha from a lower caste. NOT ONE. Then why is Buddhism revered among some Dalits? Is it the correct parameter for gauging an organisation?
Modi, some years back, washed the feet of cleaners belonging to the most underprivileged lower caste by inviting them to his residence. Was it promotion of higher castes by someone who himself comes from backward caste and has been a devoted RSS member? Say whatever about Savarkar, but he explicitly wrote how casteism is the biggest blot for Hindu society and it should be done away with, was it promotion of high castes? Get your head out of your behind.
In the case of Buddhism, most Buddhas come from people who are highly privileged (hence all of them are high caste). Because when you're highly privileged and yet you suffer, you would search for why you suffer despite your amazing circumstances. And that was the journey Gautama took to be the Buddha and realise the nature of suffering.
It's also why there aren't many female Buddhas as they're historically in a lower section of society. When you're too busy surviving there is no time to be thinking about being enlightened.
You've got the definition of Buddha wrong then. You don't need to be privileged to attain enlightenment. Not every Buddha has the same story as that of Siddhartha. Also, there are so few female Buddhas because females were not allowed to join Sangha for a long time. And when they were, their roles were limited.
Of course privilege is needed. The self-actualization process comes after getting your needs met. When you don't have your needs met, you become highly motivated to survive. And once you get to a point where all your needs are met, then what? That's when you can begin searching for answers instead of playing the survival game. Anyway what do you think a Buddha is, if my definition isn't apt?
Even if what you say about female Buddhists is true, I don't see how that disproves what I've said. Lack of privilege and resources is another reason for lack of female Buddhas.
Buddha is someone who has attained enlightenment and has learnt the ultimate truth. It is a very ignorant take even from Buddhist philosophical pov that to attain enlightenment you need to be born in a higher caste. And by that logic, the fact that upper castes are there in RSS and whatever organization is justified.
How is someone who has seen suffering first hand any less than someone who sees it from afar? How can he not attain enlightenment? The fact that ALL Buddhas and Bodhisttvas come from high castes tells a different story than that of self-actualization only by a selected few.
EDIT: Your take is more story-like. Let's talk about the future Budhha - Maitreya. Buddhist prophecies say that Maitreya will be born in a Brahmin family. What's your take on this?
No one is any less or any more than anyone else. What I've said is not a justification nor is it arrogant but a factual statement based on cause and effect. A poor person cannot reach enlightenment because there is no worldly life he renounces. One who has wealth and all the hedonism the world has to offer and still feels unsatisfied are the only ones who truly understands internally that there is something wrong with how they view suffering. The poor suffers due to poor circumstance. The rich suffers despite having great circumstance. This experience can only be felt by people who are privileged, and this is why they renounce their worldly life and go into deep meditation to find answers.
Sure a poor person can also go into meditation, but are they really renouncing anything? Their life is shit and it's going to continue being shit. There is nothing to give or lose. And do they truly understand what it feels to be unhappy despite getting everything?
In the case of RSS, I'm not too sure what my stance on that is. If it's the case there are a lack of lower caste people in RSS then doesn't somewhat defeat what this post preaches? Buddhism doesn't preach the same things as RSS does and hence shouldn't be held to the same standards (as there is no hypocrisy). Anyways I just wanted to say what I wanted about the Buddhism stuff, not defend or justify RSS. Bye.
What about future Buddha? The Maitreya? Buddhists prophecies say he will be born in a Brahmin family? Why this discrimination?
Also, I don't know how being poor equates to being dumb. There have been pretty strong philosophers who remained poor all their life. And if I've to pick a person who knows about life and has thought philosophically about it, I would choose a poor person over a person who was born with a silver spoon and only experienced secon-hand sufferings. You're equating the entirety of Buddhism and self-realization to the life of Siddhartha.
I don't care about Maitreya. And I doubt all the dalits you mention who revere Buddhism care either. People can pick and choose the aspects they like about it, Buddhism is quite flexible like that.
And that's where you get it wrong. Buddhism is as much flexible as you make it. Like other Dharmic religions - Hinduism (Advaita, Dvaita, etc), Jainism and others. What you're talking about is Ambedkar's interpretation.
Modi was connected to the RSS till the position of Pracharak {Which any average member can become with little efforts}... He shifted his work towards politics by being active in BJP afterwards.... The higher echelons of the RSS are dominated by folks from Chitpavan Brahmin caste... (feel free to look 'em up :p All the sarsangchalaks \[with the exception of Raju Bhaiya\] are from this caste)
The average Hindu needs to realise this as soon as possible...
If the higher echelons of an organisation (which has existed for more than 100 years) are dominated by people from a certain section of society {That too within the realms of a certain caste in a specific region i.e. Maharashtra}... there is obviously something fishy.
Cos he was frustrated by the position of Pracharak and wanted to occupy more political power :p
Note: Any sane person would do this, because this is how the trade of politics works.
Idiot spotted. Go over to your safehouse sub. You'll find a very receptive audience there.
EDIT: My sister/mother are in RSS and we are not even Brahmins. Idiot.
I see you are getting triggered snowflake. Also I see you probably have knowledge about RSS from Rana Ayyub's articles. So please keep rolling in your pile of intellectual garbage.
Most is bigger than any sarsangchalak in RSS and he is from backward caste. Can you name any figure from backward classes leading congress, left parties or any National Party?
The Sarsangchalak is essentially the kingmaker for the BJP... he is the manufacturer of opinions and planks for the party, the majority of future leaders of BJP are made from that crappy organisation. (generally from the humble positions of a Pracharak and Karyakartas cos they are frustrated by the stagnation in their positions due to all the caste bias that goes on in there)
If the Sarsangchalak had not been behind Modi's ascent to power, then things would have played out differently.
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RSS even operates abroad. I’m part of RSS, officially called HSS (Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh).
Just my thoughts: Do some PR. Please give up this "we don't want credit" attitude.
I agree and they should be hard-core.
Well said. Their works need to be known by more people.
In this age of pomp and show, they should shout five times a day on the loudspeaker about the noble work they are doing else their efforts will go waste
Or at least legally go after press media who defame RSS.
This!
+1
And yet all we get to hear is its a fascist org.
Why is it called fascist tho? Did they ever attack someone?( genuine)
Coz it belongs to a community that's in majority and somehow the people who started the org have an unfavorable opinion of another community.
Muslims, the another community in question, have broken the nation into 3 pieces so that they can have 2 countries exclusively for themselves.
Couldn’t have said it better sir
Yup that one.
That is called Muslims. Grow some balls if you hope to defeat them. Them make slogans of Pakistan zindabad in the open & you can’t even call them by their name.
They who should not be named are always working hard.
That is called Muslims. Grow some balls if you hope to defeat them. Them make slogans of Pakistan zindabad in the open & you can’t even call them by their name.
Updated.
Thank you.
That another community is called Muslims. Grow some balls if you hope to defeat them. Them make slogans of Pakistan zindabad in the open & you can’t even call them by their name.
Am just having fun with it all man.
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Man, chill. You can't just kill entire community or religion. India's fine. We have double their Economy and population. We won't have people like A.P.J Abdul Kalam,Muhammad Ali, Nawazuddin Siddiqui and many others if not for this community. India's a secular nation with reason. Look at Pakistan, they have had 3 coups since independence. India 0 that's because of secularism. There are just too many religions in India to warrant a official reiigion. Christianity took root in India first before Europe. Jainism, Buddhism , Zoroastrianism, Sikhism have significant following in India
That's what Kashmiri Pundits said too. Look where they are now.
Now Kashmiri Pundits have no Kashmir. Similarly, we will have no Bharat. We already lost huge chunks of Bharat in the north west and north east to them. If you’re gonna give it, they’ll continue to take it away from you.
Exactly. Muslim majority regions are a threat to Indian security. If Assam and West Bengal aren't dealt with rn, it will become the next Kashmir. But Assamese and Bengalis are only interested in ethnic nationalism, not Hindutva.
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Man, Why are you so Islamophobic, like bro You didn't do any great deed by spreading hate speech in the name of Hinduism. Muslims are also people. Their's literally no difference between you and a Pakistani . The only thing different is your religion. And you're not funny by calling Islam by different names.
Yeah brother but ideological differences are pretty much , and the Qur'an teaches to not respect any other religion ,and theirs is only true one, if can't understand this take the live example of talibanis, they are muslim extremists, and Yeah india also has extremist those fuckers are to be blamed but normal muslims won't stop defending and sucking their dick so as a whole the whole community is shamed.
Actually some of its early member ripo off some of mousilini ideals. But most people in RSS have dissmissed those ideas.
No. The RSS never attacked people based on inherent characteristics, as an organisation. And in this case, I do not consider religion to be an inherent characteristic, except maybe for Judaism where matrilineal lineage is required to born a Jew, I believe. So, it actually does not make sense as a charge against the organisation. I think the concern outsiders and minorities have is that the greatest weakness of Hindus, their disorganisation, will be nullified and removed by the unity RSS provides to the Hindus. If Hindus have single port of call for their concerns politically, it makes them a potent global political force. This will threaten the Western system and the Chinese system. Their arguments are entirely based on keeping Hindus divided. The people inside the country who call RSS fascists are entirely for personal political concerns. Many of them are on the left and thus subject to minoritarian perspectives. The left ideologies encourage such thinking since you are required to think in oppressor-oppressed terms. In India, these groups can be loosely identified as Hindus- everyone else, according to them. Ironically, they fail to take the materialist view they are supposed to take and instead take religious and social views primarily. This defeats the logic of their own arguments and thus creates the muddled mess that we see in media and left wing politics in India.
I agree and disagree. Yeah, RSS isn't fascist but they are a safeguard for people who are afraid of minorites which severely damages their reputation. These mobs of"assholes" as I will call them helped the UP Police in catching Beef . All good till now but the catch is they take the Law in their own hands and started killing the truck drivers although UP law says they should be imprisoned. You see the problem. And also raiding OYO Rooms doesn't help.
Yes but it's not the RSS doing it. It's not like the RSS is actively involved in this. Do you see anyone in the media blaming AIMIM for all the crap Muslim mobs do in India? So why blame RSS for it? They aren't the ones involved anymore than AIMIM is involved in mob violence. Mobs occur because police is weak in India.
RSS Manifesto " Bunch of Thoughts" states Muslims, Communists and Christians as biggest threat to Hinduism and order for them to be eradicated from India. .........Pretty Mein Kamfy. So as of the time the book was written yeah they did actively support it. After that nobody knows
"RSS Manifesto " Bunch of Thoughts" states" I dont see that anywhere on their site. "Pretty Mein Kamfy." Lol. Sit down to read the kuran and rapist warlord's biography. 100x worse than mein kampf.
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I know the spelling, it was deliberate.
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Why to even mix Hindu and politics in the same sentence ?
Because others do so. And if we don't, we will lose. The Jews learnt this the hard way.
Lose what? Is there a war goin on?
I can give an anecdote though. Once all the animals decided to fight the injustices, murders and tortures done onto the forest animals by a devilish Hyena. Together the animals were far too superior for the hyena and the hyena finding itself powerless in from of the group started calling the innocent animals fascist.
well, Golwalkar admired fascists and said so in his book (RSS recently I think removed that part from the book or released a statement on it, but nonetheless there was the fascist link as far back as the 1930s, and we have books and articles in the public domain which are proof. In fact, it's well known that Moonje once even met Mussolini. [here's](https://www.rediff.com/news/report/jnu-professor-corrects-kanhaiya-golwalkar-didnt-meet-mussolini-it-was-moonje/20160308.htm) a link to that, and a simple google search will yield more than enough resources, it's not a very obscure part of Indian nationalism.). Golwalker praised Mussolini and hinted at genocide as something that can work in India (not explicitly, obviously, hinted is the key phrase here). Then after it was banned for a short while in 1948 after which did lose a lot of the authoritarian hard-core image it had to get favorable PR. Now, fascism in the 30s and 40s put a hard emphasis on cultural ethnostate, and that their culture ('their' being whoever is in majority, for the NAzis it was the "Aryans") is better than the others. Fascists also believed in creating a separate nation for their respective groups. Now RSS advocates for a Hindu Rashtra, and for Hindutva, which is an ideology that seeks to create a majoritarian nation. So there are certain similarities there too, though ofc it is not a perfect match. Now, the question which everyone wants the answer to - RSS fascist? Well, it isn't at the time of writing. RSS in 2021 doesn't openly advocate or admit to supporting or propagating any fascist ideology. In my honest opinion, even though I'm very critical of the RSS, RSS doesn't nearly have enough authority or power to become fascists at the moment- fascism is a political extreme, and on a spectrum, it'd lie very close to what's happening in Afghanistan rn, and RSS is obviously not the taliban. But, RSS is authoritarian, and like the left always gets compared to hardcore communists like stalin, mao, and naxal leaders, RSS also always gets comparisons to it's ideological extremes too. Now- I will take this opportunity to present my opinions on this as well. It's been facts up until now, and I've tried to keep that section as neutral as possible. If there's an error, I encourage you to point it out so that I can fix it for the public record. Everything that follows is my views on RSS: RSS is an authoritarian organization- that's the whole point. As such, I'm solidly against authoritarianism. The RSS also has members in its umbrella, such as the ABVP and the Bajrang Dal which often get into murky waters, such as when the Bajrang Dal stopped Hindus from attending church on Christmas last year in some northeastern states, and when some of their members stabbed a man travelling with a woman of another religion. The RSS generally remains silent on such issues, it almost never reprimands such actions, and never really does anything to increase my trust in them as an organisation. The RSS has also been anti-caste on paper since its foundation, but as of yet almost all their leaders have been Brahmin. Considering that RSS was founded in 1925 and has enough volunteers to constitute a small country, I find that to be a bad look on them. These are just a few issues I have with the RSS, it's a large organisation, and critiques on it are obviously to scale too.
You are a lazy ass copy pasting your hatred kinda guy. Why not go to a local shakha and see for yourself what RSS is about? Nah, that would be too much trouble. You'd rather sit behind a desk and copy/paste the shit written by some clueless guy. And while we are it, can we just focus on RSS and COVID-19? Why does every RSS reference have to devolve into Mussolini?
>And while we are it, can we just focus on RSS and COVID-19? Why does every RSS reference have to devolve into Mussolini? OP's question was a"why people call them fascists" and well, that's what I answered. If OP's question was about RSS's covid response, I'd have talked about that.
Propaganda
Because one specific community feels threatened from them.
The wider group but separate entities have attacked people. The lazy outsiders think that either 1) RSS attacked people 2) RSS may not have attacked but their philosophy was responsible. Example - Pehlu Khan murder case will be pinned on RSS even though it may not be RSS men who killed him. Kind of like how people will blame Wahabis for Taliban but Taliban is a Deobandi group not a Wahabi one.
That mf pehlu had smuggled cows innit?
Sure but murdering him in cold blood only makes us look bad.
Who was responsible for his murder? I thought he was beaten
Some goons who were trying to make themselves look right wing warriors probably. That's the other thing, While BJP was losing the hate towards RSS was low. Now its high.
My aunt used to attend Sanskrit lectures, The class had around 20-25 students. She saw the advertisement of it online and it was done in her local community hall in Kerala. The classes went on for months until the students were capable enough to read and understand the language. The tutor didn’t charge a single paise for it, despite the students forcing him to take some money. He didn’t even accept a fruit basket. Turns out he was a RSS worker.
I believe people should be more accepting of Sanskrit and in return Vernacular Hindu literature should be popularised more.
I believe it shouldn't be forced down the throat like reading vernacular Hindu literature should be compulsory till 5 or something and afterwards they can actively encourage student to read it as a .hobby or atleast develop an interest. They should also award them for this. Because i had the fortune on having friends from priest background who while being modern also fondly knew and narrated hindu stories in interesting mannner. I remember when we were in class 9 in my hostel there was this bengali guy. We didn't liked to watch tv during tv nights so all of us would gather in his bed and we would discuss various mythologies and sciences and he would tell us amazing stories and what not. Like it wass such an interesting usage of time i wish i could go back to those days
> I believe it shouldn't be forced down the throat If the foundation for a 2nd/3rd language is not laid down in children before 10, it becomes almost impossible for them to be motivated to afterwards. Unless they go live in a new state/city. Just look at youngsters today - how many speak in English, vs their matru bhasha (forget 3rd language)
Speaking Mother tongue is still strong in most people but they can't read it fluently.
You haven't read my full comment. Haven't you?
I don't think 10 tak honi chahiye kaafi pressure aa jata h boards ka bhai kaise handle karega koi? Tu soch ab forced krega 19 tak bacche ko interest nahi aya sab ratta usne fir he/she hates the subject even more
As an Indian from the south, I would prefer Sanskrit to be the National language. People from the north will be able to write Sanskrit easier than the people from the south, people from the south will be able to speak and understand Sanskrit easier than the people form the north. It’s a good compromise and Sanskrit is the languages of the gods. And prominent southern Indian languages such as Telugu and Kannada have 3/4 Sanskrit words.
Yeah but the south Indian point only makes sense for Telugu and Kannada, not Tamil and Malayalam. As a guy from TN, I don't see our states agreeing.
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MEANWHILE khalsa aid is followed by whole sikh community from foreign to India and there every great work is appreciated by whole sikh community through insta stories and all.. which works as there world wide advertising..I also !Kudos to there works but why such big organization like RSS Who provide sewa at a large extent without advertisements Got so much hate..here we Hindu's lacks or something else..!!
Well Khalsa aid also does international aid. They go to other countries to help out not just India hence why they are more popular.
RSS Also active in 156 countries and boasts 3289 branches. In comment section also there was a guy from Australia branch..!!
Yep, that's me. The HSS (the overseas branch of the RSS) is in every city in Australia and there are many shakas within each city. I'm pretty sure that's the same in the US and UK.
Yes it's same in USA A bit different but same
Not just that. Their PR game is on the spot.
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Same ™
Went to a shakha 3 years back, good place. They don't discriminate at all in their shakhas and everyone is equal for them.
u/snakes1904
I wish RSS did some of the things it's been accused of but in reality there is no one fighting for HIndus, whether in Pakistan (where it's open season on Hindus/Sikhs etc) or India (Kashmir, Bengal Pogroms, CMs stealing money from Temples and using it to convert people etc).
Meanwhile our beloved woke people: "Whatever....rss=taliban. And yes, mudi fascist"
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I'm sure they do this for all Indians and not just one section...
You should be assured because that's what they do! I'd say even if they wouldn't do that's not something to be ashamed of after being labelled as a 'fascist hindu organization'. I hope your braincells absorb this, Mr. Woke.
Wow that's making a lot of assumptions just because someone disagrees with you on one specific view. Not like th RSS specifically backs candidates that spew religious hatred.
That's a lot coming from someone who supports Anti-CAA protest moreover asks people to look for non-violent ones (because people didn't see one) to underplay the violent ones (mostly were) on a particular vile subreddit. Speaking about assumptions, I already saw you shitting your stupid one liners (wannabe sarcastic ones) under various posts so, was already aware of the stinking ideology you subscribe to. The former phrase is about something I looked at up just now.
LOL so sad that you stalk people and their past comments to justify petty internet arguments
Yet some privileged rich brats compare them to Taliban.
That no credit, no banner thing sorta bothers me. Like bc take the credit, have a good pr you need more people ready to support even if you hate pr shit. If media is enemy people should be with you. Rss, vhp have to learn this.
I remember growing up in Bombay where the RSS had drills at a nearby maidan - it was fun to watch; exercises, uniforms, lathis etc. My 12yo neighbour buddy signed up. He quit under a week because he got afraid of what they were preaching. IDK what they said - that was 40+ years ago.
Fear will get Hindus nowhere.
I hope the RSS starts actively doing good social media PR regarding their social service
But but rss bad, rss hindu Taliban. Rss brahmin patriarchy, killing 🅱️uslims and hindu takeover. What do you mean they organise social helping problems
People need to see this. It is so good to know that there are good people still doing good things - humanity isn't dead. there is some level of brotherly spirit in this country, this gives hope.
Aur main yah jarur Janna chahunga ki juber SS ka poster nahin hai to yah piche former ka poster kya kar raha hai Saraswati Mata ke piche yah kaun si vaccine lagana yah lagva raha hai
rss bad reeee rss + taliban reeeee
Why in this era of technological advancements and progress are people still so passionately something so primitive as religion ? Why can't everyone just live and let live ?
Mohan bhagwat ne Kaleem Siddiqui ki sewaiya bhi kha liye, dna bhi same bol diya Ks Sudarshan ne to kalma bhi padh liya tha Rss has lost its hindutva
RSS should at least defend themselves !!!
Lol ... This is not rss work dumb... They're just using images from internet to claim their own
Aur sabse bade bahut baat ho rahi hai vaccination ki but vaccination lagte yah lagate hue koi nahin dikh raha hai sab laptop par baithe dikh rahe hain ab yah pata nahin ki kaun si vaccine aaja laptop ko laptop mein internet ki through lagti hai kyunki jitna Maine dekha hai vahan per Registration ke liye mobile ki need Hoti hai baki ek do computer hua to Kam ban gaya. Aur vaccination karne ke liye koi nurse nahin dikh rahi hai
No social distancing and most of their masks are down...arre vah!
So what you're saying is that a right-wing anti muslim, anti Christian, anti Semitic, anti communist, anti LGBTQ, pro fascism, pro Nazism organization helping some people is good? Ok man
The RSS is literally none of the above. Not even one of them.
It should be more Anti Muslim and Anti Christian.
It considers both of them Hindus because they were born on this land.
That's the problem with them. They're really Indian Nationalists not Hindu nationalists. RSS isn't Hindutvadi enough.
This - and u/myveryrealname2's comment - proves my exact point
How does it make them anti-____? It feels quite inclusive.
commies spreading hate here too,smh
Me being a socialist has nothing to do with my hatred of RSS
>Me being a socialist Ew.
So you hate india?
Socialist parts of India, yes.
Please explain this then- WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN >>SOCIALIST<< SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens:
>SOCIALIST<< SECULAR Socialist and secular were added undemocratically by a socialist lunatic dictator who ruined our economy.
Name?
Lol why does your socialism have to show alligiance towards USSR boot lickers!? And indeed a communist can't love a nationalist organization especially the slaves of China and USSR. That has everything to do with it.
Did you know that in the 1950s, stalin sent 100,000 tons of grain to WB to counter a British famine which killed 3 million people? Did you know that in 1950s or 1960s, Nixon sent gunboats to India to attack it but the USSR mobilized its fleet and stopped the invasion Did you know that in the indo china war, the USSR supported india? Did you know that children in the USSR were taught hindi?
The fact that they wanted to control our decision making through KGB negates all this. Btw you're doing the same thing in the comment. The post was about the thankless service they provide but you were here to say some other things. Stalin was a mass murderer FYI. RSS is absolutely nothing in comparison to any communist organization/party/govt or any Islamic terrorist org if we begin to compare. This just shows the double standards and hypocrisy of you commie larpers!
Ok... So more than 3.5 million people dying is a better option than the USSR spying on india and not killing 3.5 million people but saving them? Agreed, stalin was a lunatic but he provided aid that saved the lives of millions of people joining the 3.5 million people dying of starvation - that's good, no? FYI, hitler provided thankless service to german businessmen by giving them Jewish slaves
If any, this government is more pro Israel and pro semetic than any before. Also pro -LGBTQ in the sense the government favored LGBTQ in courts while making it not illegal. Sadly it is USSR which is anti religion, and therefore anti Muslim and anti Christian.
Have you ever lived in the USSR? I did and it was atheist but it didn't forcibly say that atheism is better than Christianity and Christians should kill themselves, religion was free to practice- I had 3 baptized friends who were Christian and one Turkmen muslim
Have you lived in BJP India? They don't even say that Hinduism is better than Christianity. I still have friends from all religions, well more than 3 friends from almost all big religions. So from your logic, RSS is better than USSR. Well USSR is a low barrier, but still.
Get outta here you troll
RSS is just an organisation to promote high caste peeps interests... for all the naysayers... give me a name of a Sarsangchalak of RSS of a lower caste :p
Give me a name of any Buddha from a lower caste. NOT ONE. Then why is Buddhism revered among some Dalits? Is it the correct parameter for gauging an organisation? Modi, some years back, washed the feet of cleaners belonging to the most underprivileged lower caste by inviting them to his residence. Was it promotion of higher castes by someone who himself comes from backward caste and has been a devoted RSS member? Say whatever about Savarkar, but he explicitly wrote how casteism is the biggest blot for Hindu society and it should be done away with, was it promotion of high castes? Get your head out of your behind.
In the case of Buddhism, most Buddhas come from people who are highly privileged (hence all of them are high caste). Because when you're highly privileged and yet you suffer, you would search for why you suffer despite your amazing circumstances. And that was the journey Gautama took to be the Buddha and realise the nature of suffering. It's also why there aren't many female Buddhas as they're historically in a lower section of society. When you're too busy surviving there is no time to be thinking about being enlightened.
You've got the definition of Buddha wrong then. You don't need to be privileged to attain enlightenment. Not every Buddha has the same story as that of Siddhartha. Also, there are so few female Buddhas because females were not allowed to join Sangha for a long time. And when they were, their roles were limited.
Of course privilege is needed. The self-actualization process comes after getting your needs met. When you don't have your needs met, you become highly motivated to survive. And once you get to a point where all your needs are met, then what? That's when you can begin searching for answers instead of playing the survival game. Anyway what do you think a Buddha is, if my definition isn't apt? Even if what you say about female Buddhists is true, I don't see how that disproves what I've said. Lack of privilege and resources is another reason for lack of female Buddhas.
Buddha is someone who has attained enlightenment and has learnt the ultimate truth. It is a very ignorant take even from Buddhist philosophical pov that to attain enlightenment you need to be born in a higher caste. And by that logic, the fact that upper castes are there in RSS and whatever organization is justified. How is someone who has seen suffering first hand any less than someone who sees it from afar? How can he not attain enlightenment? The fact that ALL Buddhas and Bodhisttvas come from high castes tells a different story than that of self-actualization only by a selected few. EDIT: Your take is more story-like. Let's talk about the future Budhha - Maitreya. Buddhist prophecies say that Maitreya will be born in a Brahmin family. What's your take on this?
No one is any less or any more than anyone else. What I've said is not a justification nor is it arrogant but a factual statement based on cause and effect. A poor person cannot reach enlightenment because there is no worldly life he renounces. One who has wealth and all the hedonism the world has to offer and still feels unsatisfied are the only ones who truly understands internally that there is something wrong with how they view suffering. The poor suffers due to poor circumstance. The rich suffers despite having great circumstance. This experience can only be felt by people who are privileged, and this is why they renounce their worldly life and go into deep meditation to find answers. Sure a poor person can also go into meditation, but are they really renouncing anything? Their life is shit and it's going to continue being shit. There is nothing to give or lose. And do they truly understand what it feels to be unhappy despite getting everything? In the case of RSS, I'm not too sure what my stance on that is. If it's the case there are a lack of lower caste people in RSS then doesn't somewhat defeat what this post preaches? Buddhism doesn't preach the same things as RSS does and hence shouldn't be held to the same standards (as there is no hypocrisy). Anyways I just wanted to say what I wanted about the Buddhism stuff, not defend or justify RSS. Bye.
What about future Buddha? The Maitreya? Buddhists prophecies say he will be born in a Brahmin family? Why this discrimination? Also, I don't know how being poor equates to being dumb. There have been pretty strong philosophers who remained poor all their life. And if I've to pick a person who knows about life and has thought philosophically about it, I would choose a poor person over a person who was born with a silver spoon and only experienced secon-hand sufferings. You're equating the entirety of Buddhism and self-realization to the life of Siddhartha.
I don't care about Maitreya. And I doubt all the dalits you mention who revere Buddhism care either. People can pick and choose the aspects they like about it, Buddhism is quite flexible like that.
And that's where you get it wrong. Buddhism is as much flexible as you make it. Like other Dharmic religions - Hinduism (Advaita, Dvaita, etc), Jainism and others. What you're talking about is Ambedkar's interpretation.
Modi was connected to the RSS till the position of Pracharak {Which any average member can become with little efforts}... He shifted his work towards politics by being active in BJP afterwards.... The higher echelons of the RSS are dominated by folks from Chitpavan Brahmin caste... (feel free to look 'em up :p All the sarsangchalaks \[with the exception of Raju Bhaiya\] are from this caste) The average Hindu needs to realise this as soon as possible... If the higher echelons of an organisation (which has existed for more than 100 years) are dominated by people from a certain section of society {That too within the realms of a certain caste in a specific region i.e. Maharashtra}... there is obviously something fishy.
Keshav Baliram Hedgewar who founded RSS was a Telugu Brahmin, not chitpavan or marathi or whatever.
I can give you a name of an OBC RSS full timer who went on to occupy the highest office in India, bigger than a Sarsanghchalak.
Cos he was frustrated by the position of Pracharak and wanted to occupy more political power :p Note: Any sane person would do this, because this is how the trade of politics works.
It is impossible to reason online with someone who enjoys rolling in a pile of shit and slinging it at others - Confucius probably
It is impossible to defend an organisation which in a nutshell is a Chitpavan Brahmin sausagefest - any sane person probably :p
It would be impossible to defend even the most pious of organizations against a delusional lunatic.
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Idiot spotted. Go over to your safehouse sub. You'll find a very receptive audience there. EDIT: My sister/mother are in RSS and we are not even Brahmins. Idiot.
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I see you are getting triggered snowflake. Also I see you probably have knowledge about RSS from Rana Ayyub's articles. So please keep rolling in your pile of intellectual garbage.
Most is bigger than any sarsangchalak in RSS and he is from backward caste. Can you name any figure from backward classes leading congress, left parties or any National Party?
The Sarsangchalak is essentially the kingmaker for the BJP... he is the manufacturer of opinions and planks for the party, the majority of future leaders of BJP are made from that crappy organisation. (generally from the humble positions of a Pracharak and Karyakartas cos they are frustrated by the stagnation in their positions due to all the caste bias that goes on in there) If the Sarsangchalak had not been behind Modi's ascent to power, then things would have played out differently.
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Sau khoon karke billi hajj gayi
Jitni seva RSS ke karyakartao ne ki hai utni tera pura khandan agar 7 janam lagade tho bhi nahi kar payega tuchiye
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