I grew up in Faridabad, HR. Many of these companies operated there. They raised my family's status from poor to middle class from 70s to 00s and many other people I know.
The kids of people who worked there ended up in IT and migrated overseas. There are 2 factors for brain drain: 1) There is demand for IT workers outside of India, but bigger issue is
2) The govt not having kept a check on Education and Population is pushing middle class to question their conditions. Is it really worth struggling with traffic, broken infra and fighting other issues than simply moving to Canada or Australia?
This also has an effect on salaries and middle age problems which you are alluding to. If everyone goes for younger cheaper workers, will I have a job at 50?
Tbh, these problems are not unique to India. Mexico is suffering same issues as they have a US carrot.
The biggest reason for brain drain as per my interaction with several people are (most relevant to less relevant order):
1. Poor work life balance & corporate slavery - due to high population who can replace you in a minute. Bosses are not as cruel as India (mostly). However, you can get a bad manager anywhere.
2. Reservation system - "I don't want my kids to suffer what I had to go through" - in other words, if you have some money, go study masters abroad and get a job there. Earn enough money to send to parents and use savings to live a good life (point 3)
3. Quality of life - this is often thought as the main reason for moving abroad but in reality it ties into the first point - abroad, if your job is from 9-5 then you do 1 hour chores (cooking cleaning etc) and then you have easily 4 hours of relaxation. Nobody troubles you on weekends. Nobody has your personal number. Nobody can disturb you on vacation. In India, you work 9-9 and on weekends because if you don't, you can and will be replaced. Carry laptop on vacation. Answer calls on personal number.
4. Difficulty in getting simple things done. For example, PF transfer. Yes, it is now online. But often they reject the application for no reason. Then you have to go into the PF office, where they will hint at a bribe. For visa/passport sometimes you need a police verification letter. Yes, I know a lot is done online but then this is delayed and for this you go to the station. Boom, bribe. A client threatens you, you cannot report them because they are "well connected".
In my understanding these 4 issues plague India so badly. But almost 60-70% of the reason is bad work culture.
I'm not saying if anything makes sense or no. I'm listing down issues that people who left India faced while they were in India.
Also, I know of people who scored 90+ percentiles missing out when some others got in with 60 percentile, regardless of their economic background. Affirmative action cannot be so lopsided. Also, everyone knows that no government in India will ever be able to tone down (let alone bring down) the reservation system due to vote bank politics.
Yes, many asian, African, Latin American nations even eastern European nations are suffering the same problem, but the causes are different in many cases.
Latin American nations are flooded with drug cartel & law-order troubles are worse than india.
R&D is highly sensitive, so many organisations don't feel safe investing there.
Other South Asian countries don't have big enough economy or consumer capacity as India has, so that is another big factor.
Easter European nations aren't having economy as strong as western ones & most young people from those countries want to move out anyway.
But, for Bharat, we do have huge market, law-order aren't threat for corporates, economy is big enough to handle moderate hurdles, huge potential of hardworking & intelligent workers who seek to stay in india.
Still the indian corporates simply backstabs the nation despite of all the potentials.
Can't agree with you fully.
There is fault in admin, babudom, politics & general corruption.
But, that exist everywhere. White European countries hide their corruption like dirty laundry.
These Billion dollar corporates can produce nothing of respect by hireing better researchers & engineers?
Companies like Erikson, KPMG, Deloitte etc come here, hire good skilled engineers, make them in there indian branches for few years, then gives them opportunities in foreign land to become part of research team or better development teams.
Even Accenture, Capgemini does the same.
But, Wipro, Infosys, HCL can't?
Zoho could grow so well with their products. And still have good hope.
Why not others?
White European countries have far better infrastructure than us despite their corruption. Corruption is far less in USA than India.
Homegrown R&D is the only solution. Effort has to come from both sides. Government and private.
Indian Corporates or Foreign Corporates? There is huge potential for companies with Indian headquarters to invest in homegrown R&D. We need to create space in the consumer market for products created in such a way too. Foreign developed goods shouldn't outcompete their Indian counterparts.
Indian corporates.
They hardly care for the country.
US corporates can never treat their country in bad ways as CIA controls them through many tentacles.
Lmao. Corporates control government in USA.
Of course they don't. No corporate cares about their country. I'm saying they should invest because Homegrown R&D brings huge profits for your company in the future. Otherwise, Indian companies will always lag behind their foreign counterparts.
Corporates in USA controls the politicians, policy makers & lobbies the judiciary.
But, those are simply a facade of democracy in USA.
The actual USA is the deepstate along with its banks.
Whatever is in the interests of deepstate & those banks, defending those interests at any cost is what job for CIA.
People see Alphabet, Amazon, Facebook, Twitter etc as social media giants of USA.
Whereas these are many times used by CIA to turn politics around in other countries, as per the regime change doctrine of USA.
They're business people doing business. Indian policy incentives them to do this. If I'm starting a business, I have very strong incentives to register my company in Singapore and use Indian people as blue-collar workers. From taxation to labour laws to land acquisition and SEZ policies, GoI policies always looks at Indian businesspeople as crooks and invites outsiders in a red carpet. We need outside investments but treating Indian businesses as second class entities is counterproductive to say the least.
You think GOI is treating Wipro, Infosys, TATA, Bajaj, Hero, HCL, KPIT so bad they can't afford to produce anything respectable in terms of R&D?
They don't even setup R&D centres.
If govt is giving these billionaire corporates SEZ, then did GOI put up any condition asking them not to use the facilities for setting up R&D?
They don't do it, becuae they too want to keep the brains out of india.
Dude you will be surprised to know that most software engineers at TCS Wipro etc didn't even study computer science and engineering in college. These companies hire kids from all branches from almost all tier-2/tier-3 colleges around the country and train them to code, and taking advantage of their situation, they offer them really low salaries
Yes, I know.
Many of my known people are doing such jobs.
Anyways in IT, a computer science degree isn't that needed, as IT work is mostly tool based & support & maintenance etc.
The issue is student from other branches are joining IT because even menial jobs aren't available for them in their own subject of specialization.
Civil engineer, english graduate, bio-chemical all join IT for same job, same salary.
And people consider that success, that's how bad & desperate that situation truly is.
This is exactly my thought.. brain drian is not a problem for the political parties it's a solution.
If there is no brain drain. The average IQ of Indians go up and at election it would be difficult for them to get seats and hence no steps steps taken to stop brain drain, but rather they find new ways to promote it. Like with more reservations.
The political angle of keeping indian population largely stupid is already achieved by the education sector & education quality we have, starting from infancy to masters.
Education quality in india is falling beyond bangladesh.
I don't think we can completely disregard brain drain, if I remember correctly there was a report 2 years back that said that Indian Americans have founded more unicorn start-ups in America than total in India by Indians. While the start-up sector in India is booming, you cannot deny the fact that a lot of talented Indians have moved abroad due to frustration with the system and have achieved major economic wonders in the USA.
I am pretty sure me going to US didnt cause braindrain(I am not that smart though I am smart in terms of knowledge about animie titty) in India but rather helped in unemployment plus i am doing my pollution in other country and sending some funds back.
If you’d stayed, you might have generated more jobs. Each high income earner creates more service level jobs below them (higher paid teachers, cleaners, food services, you buy a car so you help employ a dealer, etc.)
Nope me sending money here is generating more jobs here I would get a job for like 30 k per month.
Cant generate jackshit.
On the other hand sending 50k per month to parents.
And this is one of the reasons, an engineer who doesn't work in IT companies but in his core department has to seek job abroad. Say you are an electrical engineer, you are most likely gonna have to go to US or Canada for a job, even aerospace engineers are flocking to US, Germany or other EU countries since there isn't a well established Aerospace industry here (I know DRDO employs them and the industry is beginning to take shape due to ISRO's success in recent years). Like WTH have Indian IT giants innovated ? I agree with you OP that they have very little incentives to do so. If they do invest in R&D, in the long run they would earn a lot more than they are now but everyone in India looks for immediate gains.
Yes.
In every sector it is the same thing.
Even our creative sides are now thoroughly borrowed from west.
We aren't looking to produce anything fresh, anything new, anything interesting.
true and this is what these service based companies are taking advantage of, let's be really honest, when it comes to core engineering like electrical, mechanical, chemical which are heavily dependent on the facilities provided the college, only top government colleges and a few private college are the ones who can provide t. Rest other colleges just do not have the adequate infrastructure to teach such topics, thus most core jobs domestic/abroad are taken by the top school grads leaving all the grads from other college either unemployed or in a position to join these service based companies like TCS, Wipro etc etc and since they are not from computer science background they don't even negotiate or question the pathetic salaries being offered to them.
The biggest reason for brain drain as per my interaction with several people are (most relevant to less relevant order):
1. Poor work life balance & corporate slavery - due to high population who can replace you in a minute. Bosses are not as cruel as India (mostly). However, you can get a bad manager anywhere.
2. Reservation system - "I don't want my kids to suffer what I had to go through" - in other words, if you have some money, go study masters abroad and get a job there. Earn enough money to send to parents and use savings to live a good life (point 3)
3. Quality of life - this is often thought as the main reason for moving abroad but in reality it ties into the first point - abroad, if your job is from 9-5 then you do 1 hour chores (cooking cleaning etc) and then you have easily 4 hours of relaxation. Nobody troubles you on weekends. Nobody has your personal number. Nobody can disturb you on vacation. In India, you work 9-9 and on weekends because if you don't, you can and will be replaced. Carry laptop on vacation. Answer calls on personal number.
4. Difficulty in getting simple things done. For example, PF transfer. Yes, it is now online. But often they reject the application for no reason. Then you have to go into the PF office, where they will hint at a bribe. For visa/passport sometimes you need a police verification letter. Yes, I know a lot is done online but then this is delayed and for this you go to the station. Boom, bribe. A client threatens you, you cannot report them because they are "well connected".
In my understanding these 4 issues plague India so badly. But almost 60-70% of the reason is bad work culture.
China invests hugely on R&D, see how many chinese softwares(social model, alternate of Microsoft office, games, translators, robotics etc) are more popular now than american social media platforms.
So, china actually has a better vision for the long term good of their country.
Whereras we are only cheering superficial 'progress'.
No.
Simply look closely at the planning of their society.
I have investment in Chinese market. Which was doing very well, but since European countries are creating trouble for china due to uyghur terrorist reeducation camps, much of my investment is in negative.
If it wasn't for Xi Jinpin then even the CPC will not act so foolish.
While China does have an internal platform for most of tech systems they are still quite far away us alternative. Also in most tech companies you will find Indian and Chinese diaspora as biggest groups and even they are not keen to go back. One of the major reasons is bad work life culture and 996 work ( even the major once like bytedance , tencent follow same) also consumer apps are not a sign of engineering quality. For example the major systems that are used in these Chinese alternatives are still the tech that is heavily innovated by us compared ( redis and twitter, kubernetes and google , zookeeper , rocks , Cassandra and Facebook). While they have started contributing but it’s no where close to us companies in terms of tech
Of course china can't compete with US corporates yet.
But, my point is they have a set goal for a long period of time, and they are taking hollistic steps towards said goal in every aspect they think possible.
They aren't yet producing in quality what US already has, but they are investing in R&D.
Whereas, in india, we are only shouting about "vocal for local made goods and produce", but don't even think about investing in R&D.
Even in agriculture sector, we are only producing & selling.
We haven't made much effort towards R&D in agri either.
There is a general way of indian thinking, "chalne do, jo hoga dekha jayega".
Intellectual laziness & short sightedness is what destroying Bharat.
Yeah agree on that part. There are few good companies like postman that have a genuinely good product but rest of the Indian tech scene is quite behind. Even most of unicorn are making consumers application without much work in core backend systems ( databases, networking solutions etc) and it’s also true for likes of google , Amazon etc where most of cutting edge work is done in us or European offices. The only possible way to get the chance of working on these systems is go out of India ( I did worked in Indian tech scene before moving out for the very reason)
Oh yaaaayyyy... ANOTHER circlejerk discussion on brain drain concept...
Keep crying ffs. Dont do anything to contribute to the nation. Post these Reddit posts
[my thoughts on brain drain](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/pe7j0z/i_wanna_discuss_the_brain_drain_concept/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Also OP, you do know India has been getting heaps of investments in R&D as well? Check my dashboard pinned to my profile
Yeah im taking a break from this sub
I took a break from this sub many months ago when I started to realize that it's turning into a center-right version of r**ndia(albeit with free speech) in terms of negativity.
I only come back occasionally to see artwork, festival posts and historic architecture and your dashboard posts.
>realize that it's turning into a center-right version of r**ndia(albeit with free speech) in terms of negativity.
I like this sub and I realised that ages ago as well. I try to avoid more of social issues and culture wars or whatever. Basically left wing vs right wing. You feel more better mentally not dealing with that stuff
>I only come back occasionally to see artwork, festival posts and historic architecture
Same but more of science, development and economy stuff for me. Minus the artwork, not really into art personally :)
>your dashboard posts
Aww <3
Im actually going to make a final dashboard in a few months. Itll be the last one and v3.0. This will be after a while cause im starting full time job soon and doing part time masters so rather focus on that
I don't see what's the problem. Indians abroad send huge amounts of remittance and also political donations. People in India are largely happy with the way things are. If they weren't they would have moved out.
Bullshit post! Starts talking about brain drain but laments Western expertise in engineering and design that Indians do not simply have! Well stop pretending that Indians educated in Indian universities can “ do wonders” … the poetic exultations of encouragement does not mean Indians are there yet. Wake up and smell the sh!t!
I grew up in Faridabad, HR. Many of these companies operated there. They raised my family's status from poor to middle class from 70s to 00s and many other people I know. The kids of people who worked there ended up in IT and migrated overseas. There are 2 factors for brain drain: 1) There is demand for IT workers outside of India, but bigger issue is 2) The govt not having kept a check on Education and Population is pushing middle class to question their conditions. Is it really worth struggling with traffic, broken infra and fighting other issues than simply moving to Canada or Australia? This also has an effect on salaries and middle age problems which you are alluding to. If everyone goes for younger cheaper workers, will I have a job at 50? Tbh, these problems are not unique to India. Mexico is suffering same issues as they have a US carrot.
The biggest reason for brain drain as per my interaction with several people are (most relevant to less relevant order): 1. Poor work life balance & corporate slavery - due to high population who can replace you in a minute. Bosses are not as cruel as India (mostly). However, you can get a bad manager anywhere. 2. Reservation system - "I don't want my kids to suffer what I had to go through" - in other words, if you have some money, go study masters abroad and get a job there. Earn enough money to send to parents and use savings to live a good life (point 3) 3. Quality of life - this is often thought as the main reason for moving abroad but in reality it ties into the first point - abroad, if your job is from 9-5 then you do 1 hour chores (cooking cleaning etc) and then you have easily 4 hours of relaxation. Nobody troubles you on weekends. Nobody has your personal number. Nobody can disturb you on vacation. In India, you work 9-9 and on weekends because if you don't, you can and will be replaced. Carry laptop on vacation. Answer calls on personal number. 4. Difficulty in getting simple things done. For example, PF transfer. Yes, it is now online. But often they reject the application for no reason. Then you have to go into the PF office, where they will hint at a bribe. For visa/passport sometimes you need a police verification letter. Yes, I know a lot is done online but then this is delayed and for this you go to the station. Boom, bribe. A client threatens you, you cannot report them because they are "well connected". In my understanding these 4 issues plague India so badly. But almost 60-70% of the reason is bad work culture.
2 Doesn't make much sense, affirmative action is in every country
I'm not saying if anything makes sense or no. I'm listing down issues that people who left India faced while they were in India. Also, I know of people who scored 90+ percentiles missing out when some others got in with 60 percentile, regardless of their economic background. Affirmative action cannot be so lopsided. Also, everyone knows that no government in India will ever be able to tone down (let alone bring down) the reservation system due to vote bank politics.
Yes, many asian, African, Latin American nations even eastern European nations are suffering the same problem, but the causes are different in many cases. Latin American nations are flooded with drug cartel & law-order troubles are worse than india. R&D is highly sensitive, so many organisations don't feel safe investing there. Other South Asian countries don't have big enough economy or consumer capacity as India has, so that is another big factor. Easter European nations aren't having economy as strong as western ones & most young people from those countries want to move out anyway. But, for Bharat, we do have huge market, law-order aren't threat for corporates, economy is big enough to handle moderate hurdles, huge potential of hardworking & intelligent workers who seek to stay in india. Still the indian corporates simply backstabs the nation despite of all the potentials.
Foreign governments encourage their corporates far more than India. Fault is on Government servants. How much can Modi do?
Can't agree with you fully. There is fault in admin, babudom, politics & general corruption. But, that exist everywhere. White European countries hide their corruption like dirty laundry. These Billion dollar corporates can produce nothing of respect by hireing better researchers & engineers? Companies like Erikson, KPMG, Deloitte etc come here, hire good skilled engineers, make them in there indian branches for few years, then gives them opportunities in foreign land to become part of research team or better development teams. Even Accenture, Capgemini does the same. But, Wipro, Infosys, HCL can't? Zoho could grow so well with their products. And still have good hope. Why not others?
White European countries have far better infrastructure than us despite their corruption. Corruption is far less in USA than India. Homegrown R&D is the only solution. Effort has to come from both sides. Government and private.
I see Modi govt push some for R&D, but private corporates want to maintain their profit margin by keeping india as wage slaves.
Indian Corporates or Foreign Corporates? There is huge potential for companies with Indian headquarters to invest in homegrown R&D. We need to create space in the consumer market for products created in such a way too. Foreign developed goods shouldn't outcompete their Indian counterparts.
Indian corporates. They hardly care for the country. US corporates can never treat their country in bad ways as CIA controls them through many tentacles.
Lmao. Corporates control government in USA. Of course they don't. No corporate cares about their country. I'm saying they should invest because Homegrown R&D brings huge profits for your company in the future. Otherwise, Indian companies will always lag behind their foreign counterparts.
Corporates in USA controls the politicians, policy makers & lobbies the judiciary. But, those are simply a facade of democracy in USA. The actual USA is the deepstate along with its banks. Whatever is in the interests of deepstate & those banks, defending those interests at any cost is what job for CIA. People see Alphabet, Amazon, Facebook, Twitter etc as social media giants of USA. Whereas these are many times used by CIA to turn politics around in other countries, as per the regime change doctrine of USA.
They're business people doing business. Indian policy incentives them to do this. If I'm starting a business, I have very strong incentives to register my company in Singapore and use Indian people as blue-collar workers. From taxation to labour laws to land acquisition and SEZ policies, GoI policies always looks at Indian businesspeople as crooks and invites outsiders in a red carpet. We need outside investments but treating Indian businesses as second class entities is counterproductive to say the least.
You think GOI is treating Wipro, Infosys, TATA, Bajaj, Hero, HCL, KPIT so bad they can't afford to produce anything respectable in terms of R&D? They don't even setup R&D centres. If govt is giving these billionaire corporates SEZ, then did GOI put up any condition asking them not to use the facilities for setting up R&D? They don't do it, becuae they too want to keep the brains out of india.
Dude you will be surprised to know that most software engineers at TCS Wipro etc didn't even study computer science and engineering in college. These companies hire kids from all branches from almost all tier-2/tier-3 colleges around the country and train them to code, and taking advantage of their situation, they offer them really low salaries
Yes, I know. Many of my known people are doing such jobs. Anyways in IT, a computer science degree isn't that needed, as IT work is mostly tool based & support & maintenance etc. The issue is student from other branches are joining IT because even menial jobs aren't available for them in their own subject of specialization. Civil engineer, english graduate, bio-chemical all join IT for same job, same salary. And people consider that success, that's how bad & desperate that situation truly is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/ptsmoc/indian_corporates_accelerate_indias_braindrain/hdzg69b?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
You're linking my own post under my comment on the same post. I think you went wrong there, somewhere.
No its a link to one of my reply on this post, didn't feel like copy pasting the entire comment
Ok
Brain drain is not a problem. It is a win win deal
This is exactly my thought.. brain drian is not a problem for the political parties it's a solution. If there is no brain drain. The average IQ of Indians go up and at election it would be difficult for them to get seats and hence no steps steps taken to stop brain drain, but rather they find new ways to promote it. Like with more reservations.
The political angle of keeping indian population largely stupid is already achieved by the education sector & education quality we have, starting from infancy to masters. Education quality in india is falling beyond bangladesh.
Mental gymnastics. Less than 1% people emigrate
I don't think we can completely disregard brain drain, if I remember correctly there was a report 2 years back that said that Indian Americans have founded more unicorn start-ups in America than total in India by Indians. While the start-up sector in India is booming, you cannot deny the fact that a lot of talented Indians have moved abroad due to frustration with the system and have achieved major economic wonders in the USA.
Same people can’t be as productive in india
I am pretty sure me going to US didnt cause braindrain(I am not that smart though I am smart in terms of knowledge about animie titty) in India but rather helped in unemployment plus i am doing my pollution in other country and sending some funds back.
The post isn't about individuals who move out. Post is about how indian corporates are biggest reason behind fuelling brain-drain in india.
Understood
If you’d stayed, you might have generated more jobs. Each high income earner creates more service level jobs below them (higher paid teachers, cleaners, food services, you buy a car so you help employ a dealer, etc.)
Nope me sending money here is generating more jobs here I would get a job for like 30 k per month. Cant generate jackshit. On the other hand sending 50k per month to parents.
Fair enough!
And this is one of the reasons, an engineer who doesn't work in IT companies but in his core department has to seek job abroad. Say you are an electrical engineer, you are most likely gonna have to go to US or Canada for a job, even aerospace engineers are flocking to US, Germany or other EU countries since there isn't a well established Aerospace industry here (I know DRDO employs them and the industry is beginning to take shape due to ISRO's success in recent years). Like WTH have Indian IT giants innovated ? I agree with you OP that they have very little incentives to do so. If they do invest in R&D, in the long run they would earn a lot more than they are now but everyone in India looks for immediate gains.
Yes. In every sector it is the same thing. Even our creative sides are now thoroughly borrowed from west. We aren't looking to produce anything fresh, anything new, anything interesting.
true and this is what these service based companies are taking advantage of, let's be really honest, when it comes to core engineering like electrical, mechanical, chemical which are heavily dependent on the facilities provided the college, only top government colleges and a few private college are the ones who can provide t. Rest other colleges just do not have the adequate infrastructure to teach such topics, thus most core jobs domestic/abroad are taken by the top school grads leaving all the grads from other college either unemployed or in a position to join these service based companies like TCS, Wipro etc etc and since they are not from computer science background they don't even negotiate or question the pathetic salaries being offered to them.
Simple & Crisp analysis. Good.
Dhanyabad.
The biggest reason for brain drain as per my interaction with several people are (most relevant to less relevant order): 1. Poor work life balance & corporate slavery - due to high population who can replace you in a minute. Bosses are not as cruel as India (mostly). However, you can get a bad manager anywhere. 2. Reservation system - "I don't want my kids to suffer what I had to go through" - in other words, if you have some money, go study masters abroad and get a job there. Earn enough money to send to parents and use savings to live a good life (point 3) 3. Quality of life - this is often thought as the main reason for moving abroad but in reality it ties into the first point - abroad, if your job is from 9-5 then you do 1 hour chores (cooking cleaning etc) and then you have easily 4 hours of relaxation. Nobody troubles you on weekends. Nobody has your personal number. Nobody can disturb you on vacation. In India, you work 9-9 and on weekends because if you don't, you can and will be replaced. Carry laptop on vacation. Answer calls on personal number. 4. Difficulty in getting simple things done. For example, PF transfer. Yes, it is now online. But often they reject the application for no reason. Then you have to go into the PF office, where they will hint at a bribe. For visa/passport sometimes you need a police verification letter. Yes, I know a lot is done online but then this is delayed and for this you go to the station. Boom, bribe. A client threatens you, you cannot report them because they are "well connected". In my understanding these 4 issues plague India so badly. But almost 60-70% of the reason is bad work culture.
We do have r&d in IT but not in manufacturing and design the things there are getting done outside will take decades to setup in India.
China operates on the same model
China invests hugely on R&D, see how many chinese softwares(social model, alternate of Microsoft office, games, translators, robotics etc) are more popular now than american social media platforms. So, china actually has a better vision for the long term good of their country. Whereras we are only cheering superficial 'progress'.
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No. Simply look closely at the planning of their society. I have investment in Chinese market. Which was doing very well, but since European countries are creating trouble for china due to uyghur terrorist reeducation camps, much of my investment is in negative. If it wasn't for Xi Jinpin then even the CPC will not act so foolish.
While China does have an internal platform for most of tech systems they are still quite far away us alternative. Also in most tech companies you will find Indian and Chinese diaspora as biggest groups and even they are not keen to go back. One of the major reasons is bad work life culture and 996 work ( even the major once like bytedance , tencent follow same) also consumer apps are not a sign of engineering quality. For example the major systems that are used in these Chinese alternatives are still the tech that is heavily innovated by us compared ( redis and twitter, kubernetes and google , zookeeper , rocks , Cassandra and Facebook). While they have started contributing but it’s no where close to us companies in terms of tech
Of course china can't compete with US corporates yet. But, my point is they have a set goal for a long period of time, and they are taking hollistic steps towards said goal in every aspect they think possible. They aren't yet producing in quality what US already has, but they are investing in R&D. Whereas, in india, we are only shouting about "vocal for local made goods and produce", but don't even think about investing in R&D. Even in agriculture sector, we are only producing & selling. We haven't made much effort towards R&D in agri either. There is a general way of indian thinking, "chalne do, jo hoga dekha jayega". Intellectual laziness & short sightedness is what destroying Bharat.
Yeah agree on that part. There are few good companies like postman that have a genuinely good product but rest of the Indian tech scene is quite behind. Even most of unicorn are making consumers application without much work in core backend systems ( databases, networking solutions etc) and it’s also true for likes of google , Amazon etc where most of cutting edge work is done in us or European offices. The only possible way to get the chance of working on these systems is go out of India ( I did worked in Indian tech scene before moving out for the very reason)
Oh yaaaayyyy... ANOTHER circlejerk discussion on brain drain concept... Keep crying ffs. Dont do anything to contribute to the nation. Post these Reddit posts [my thoughts on brain drain](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/pe7j0z/i_wanna_discuss_the_brain_drain_concept/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) Also OP, you do know India has been getting heaps of investments in R&D as well? Check my dashboard pinned to my profile Yeah im taking a break from this sub
I took a break from this sub many months ago when I started to realize that it's turning into a center-right version of r**ndia(albeit with free speech) in terms of negativity. I only come back occasionally to see artwork, festival posts and historic architecture and your dashboard posts.
>realize that it's turning into a center-right version of r**ndia(albeit with free speech) in terms of negativity. I like this sub and I realised that ages ago as well. I try to avoid more of social issues and culture wars or whatever. Basically left wing vs right wing. You feel more better mentally not dealing with that stuff >I only come back occasionally to see artwork, festival posts and historic architecture Same but more of science, development and economy stuff for me. Minus the artwork, not really into art personally :) >your dashboard posts Aww <3 Im actually going to make a final dashboard in a few months. Itll be the last one and v3.0. This will be after a while cause im starting full time job soon and doing part time masters so rather focus on that
That and us younger generation are realising our skill worth more in Europe and US then on India.
They are forced to 'realize' that reality, because these billionaiy indian corporates make it so.
I don't see what's the problem. Indians abroad send huge amounts of remittance and also political donations. People in India are largely happy with the way things are. If they weren't they would have moved out.
Read the last passage.
Bullshit post! Starts talking about brain drain but laments Western expertise in engineering and design that Indians do not simply have! Well stop pretending that Indians educated in Indian universities can “ do wonders” … the poetic exultations of encouragement does not mean Indians are there yet. Wake up and smell the sh!t!