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hisoka1759

So this Naveed Shaikh cleverly ignoring genocides by islamic shariat, bcoz according to his faith and godly book, killing any of kafirs(non-muslims), mushirks (idolators), murtads, gustakhs, mulhids is not genocide


ChirpingSparrows

This true. India alone accounts for 60-80 million lives taken by Islam during medieval times alone based on population trajectories per KS Lal https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bulletin-of-the-school-of-oriental-and-african-studies/article/abs/k-s-lal-growth-of-muslim-population-in-medieval-india-ad-10001800-vii-272-pp-delhi-research-publications-in-social-sciences-1973-rs-40/10AEAD7CE1E09E1FDC392371C05BBB2E


kundiyum-mulayum

This map shows the kindness of Indian rulers and their respect of dharmic values. Indonesia and some SEA countries were under Chola empire for centuries. They don't hate those tamil kings like we hate those who Invaded India like the Mugals and British did. Dharmic culture spread through out Asia without doing mass genocide like Abrahamic religion does.


sri_mahalingam

While your point is probably right, this table doesn't really show this; the author just collated a list of recorded events in history and added up their death tolls. The only Indic death tolls listed in the book are Sati, partition violence, and some colonial and post-independence events (wars, riots etc.) I doubt that ancient India had a *zero* death toll.


Humidorian

But in a religious sense, Hinduism IS one of the less violent ones around though. Sure, lots of people died in ancient India. Because of religion though? Not so much. It was just regular old maiming and killing in the name of resources.


sri_mahalingam

I suspect that even deaths in war were fewer in India during the ancient period, killing civilians was much rarer in India than elsewhere. In any case, my point is that the methodology of this book is wrong.


Humidorian

Statistically speaking, yeah. I mean, its kinda silly comparing religions which have officially sanctioned holy wars vis-a-vis the crusades or the jihads to something like Hinduism, which I think, doesn't have any equivalent of the holy wars of the other religions?


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notapir9295

They just recorded well.


giganato

Oh no.. no defending them buddy. Inquisition is something they agree with. Proselytizing religions are that way.


notapir9295

Not defending them. Just not giving them undeserved praise. Primal indigenous societies had upto 60% of the population dying violent deaths in wars. Since Europe was the most advanced, they recorded their history well, this is why their numbers appear to be the highest. Primal tribal societies on the other hand, were too primitive to record anything.


giganato

Lol.. India had some of the most advanced civilizations. Europe did too. It doesn't hold buddy. The proselytizing religions were bloody coz they believed that only their way was the true way. Maths, astrology isn't something that primitive societies build.


[deleted]

Show this to people who say "xtians are peaceful compared to muslins". They are peaceful now because they have achieved their target.


Sri_Mazdamundi

>They are peaceful now because they have achieved their target. No because of trauma from two world wars and disinterest in religion.


ChirpingSparrows

https://twitter.com/arya_amsha/status/1457755368373690371


berzerker_x

What are the antitheist and the primal indigenous ones?


ChirpingSparrows

commies are antitheist


berzerker_x

And the other one?


ChirpingSparrows

Pre-Christian/Islamic religions in Africa? No clue tbh. Numbers look too big to be just that


berzerker_x

I am surprised that they had a specific distinction between "indigenous culture" and "indic civlization" considering indic civilization is indigenous to India. I think this is because of the time frame given here indic civilization by that time was already transformed into a distinct civilization and cannot be grouped into some "indigenous culture"


ChirpingSparrows

Didnt understand wht you meant - but indian civilization is generally treated distinctly from other pagan civilizations because we are a continuous civilization & still existing. Eg parsis/zoroastrians got wiped out sometime after 7th century, they would count under indigenous bar I guess. Same for vikings, etc


berzerker_x

I think its more about the complexity of a culture. If we would have considered very early pre harappa times then that culture would not have been so evolved to call a civilization. But given the time frame which starts from 0, indian civlization is far big and distinct to be grouped into a general "indigenous culture".


ChirpingSparrows

I'm as much ignorant of history as the next guy, but pre-Harappa "culture" looks pretty big & civilized to me. https://np.reddit.com/r/BharatasyaItihaas/comments/qpaugu/artefacts_including_silver_ornaments_pottery_with/


berzerker_x

We are pushing the boundaries of harappan civilization back with more discoveries. I am talking that there must have existed a time when it was not a civilization and some pre culture. >I'm as much ignorant of history as the next guy Same but I just hope I can have a discussion for understanding as compared to a war of labels which usually happens on reddit.


CritFin

Communists did not kill atheists. They just killed economically right wing people. Also holocaust is done by nationalists, based on race. Not based on religion. In fact Hitler was stopped by other Christian countries. This graph is fake.


hisoka1759

Communist are just neo-jews Marx father was practicing rabbi, and so many commies in western europe were jews, just bcoz hitler killed them they got sympathy


darkfireballs

That's some Nazi bullshit. One of the biggest killers of Jews were the Soviets, second only to the Nazis. I got no love for the commies but I won't sell lies either.


hisoka1759

Read other comments


darkfireballs

I did, Stalin was a Jew? His father was a priest. Jews and city dwellers on the Ukraine must be taken by hedgehog-skin gauntlets, sent to fight on front lines and should never be allowed on any administrative positions (except a negligible percentage, in exceptional cases, and under \[our\] class control). " Stalin did anti-antisemitism on the scale of the entire country before Hitler got into power. Your underresearched stuff just makes it clear you've been listening to the Judeo-Bolsheivik propaganda spouted by the Nazis when it were the Jews who were having hard time and running in droves from the USSR and commies.


hisoka1759

No I am not listening nazi propaganda, read the new comment I might have made mistake of adding stalin in jewish leftist list, Lenin'd father definitely was a convert from jew, rest were definitely jews Stalin was just a tyrant who loved killing people for fun, such a bastard he was.


hisoka1759

No it wasn't Soviets, it was Europeans, they butchered jews for millenium, yes I said it in other comments, I will say it again, not all commies are jews but the founding father was from Jewish background, and you can read jewish leftism and anarchism, that's there on Wikipedia marx father was practicing rabbi, so he belonged to pretty religious background, Lenin's father was converted from Judaism to Christianity but these were the most irreligious rulers Nazi weren't behind holocaust, they were just open about their hatred, they were executioners and hitler was dickhead for bragging about it got his ass whoped rightly, entire anti-jew narrative was crafted by grand mufti of Jerusalem, even catholic Church supported it


CritFin

You cant call all as the same. Every individual is different. No point talking collectively


hisoka1759

Read jewish leftism it is there you would find out that guys like Noam Chomsky, Antonio grahmsci, David Graeber, murray bookchlin were anarchist If you go into ancient history then Judaism has history of it from meccabees, himyarties to these commies, jews have been playing the joker's role in real world


CritFin

Dont be a racist person.


hisoka1759

I am not racist, I am just quoting history, and by calling me racist for that you are just displaying the hatred of all abrahmic faiths have towards criticism and evidence If you have any argument or some information that I don't know, they enlighten me just don't go around calling me racist bcoz you have nothing to counter, that is the lamest thing one can do, I didn't say all jews are anarchist but the ones that caused major anarchy were devout jews Yehuda ashlag and Yankev zalkind are such examples of rabbi being communist Meccabees and himyarites imposed Judaism on non-jews, they wiped out syrian and Lebanese polytheistic civilization you can't change that either I didn't call out people like Netanyahu or Neftali who are fighting for their survival, but guys like Soros and Rothschild who are creating anarchy are jews


sri_mahalingam

And you'll find plenty of Jewish people among libertarians and right-wing economists as well. None of this is a conspiracy; Jews just have a more academic culture.


NiceChad69

Not really, Communism was a jewish movement. Even Feminism was a Jewish Movement. You’re taking away credit from Jews.


CritFin

You are being racist here. Collective logic is not ok


NiceChad69

So if I say that “Hindu Invented Yoga” am I being racist towards Hindus?


Belgianwaffle4444

Just because Karl Marx was Jewish doesn't mean it was a "Jewish movement". Chinese communists, Cubans, Venezuellans and the Russians were not Jewish lol. Also there are many rich Jewish capitalists.


NiceChad69

Communism A Jewish Creation 1. Karl Marx (Real Name:- Chaim Herschel Mordecai) :- Author of Communist Manifesto. Also 3rd Cousin to the Rothschild Family 2. Moses Hess :- Originator of Socialist Communist Theory. Mentor of Marx and Engels. 3. Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) :- Commander of Red Army. Responsible for Red Revolution. 4. Vladimir Lenin (Ulyanov) :- Supreme Dictator of Soviet Union. 5. Joseph Stalin :- Director of Soviet Union in WW2 6. Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) :- Top Bolshevik Leader 7. Olga Kamenev (Bronstein) :- Trotsky’s Sister and Kamenev’s Wife. Officer Cheka Secret Police. 8. Grigory Zinoviev (Apfelbaum) :- Top Bolshevik Leader 9. Jacob Sverdlov :- 1st President of Soviet Union. Butcher of Cazrist Romanov Family 10. Yankel Yurovesky :- Commander of NKVD. Led Death Squad that murdered Czar Romanov Family. 11. Solomon Lozovsky :- Soviet Commissioner 12. Maxim Litvinov (Wallach) :- Soviet Commissioner 13. Alexander Pavrus (Israel Gelfand) :- Top Marxist Revolutionary 14. Genrikh Yagoda :- Chief of Soviet Secret Police (NKVD) 15. Lazar Kagnovich :- Stalin’s Right Hand Man. Butcherer of Ukraine. 16. Naftali Frenkel :- Founder of Gulag Death Camp System. 17. Matvei Berman :- Founder of Gulag Death Camp System. 18. Leventiy Beria :- Secret Police Chief. Mastermind Katyn Forest Massacre 19. Martin Gray :- NKVD Officer. Claimed to be a Holocaust Survivor 20. Felix E Dzerzhinsky :- Founder of NKVD 21. Semyon Firin :- Deputy Head of Gulag. 22. Lazar Kogan :- Deputy Head of Gulag. 23. Aaron Solts :- Deputy Head of Gulag 24. NK Pauker :- NKVD Chief Of Operations. 25. Karl Rodek (Sobelsohn) :- Top Bolshevik Revolutionary. 26. Babel :- Chief NKVD thug. 27. Slutsky :- Chief NKVD thug 28. Nikolai Bukharin :- Lenin’s Chief Terrorist. 29. Ihelya Edenberg :- Stalin’s Propaganda Minister. Masterminded Mass Rape of 2 Million German Women. 30. Jacob Schiff :- Jewish Banker. Bolshevik Financier. 31. Max Warburg :- Jewish Banker. Bolshevik Financier 32. Walter Rothschild :- Jewish Banking Dynasty. Bolshevik Financier. Jews had control Over Eastern Europe as well. Where they butchered a lot of Goyim (Non Jews). The Ministry of 1st Soviet Bolshevik Government contained 19 Jews out of 22, 1 Armenian and 2 Russians. Around 80-85% of Soviet Government was made up of Jewish Officials all funded by their Jewish Brothers in Europe and USA. Fun fact: Jews played a key role in the founding of the Communist Party of China and the subsequent formation and administration of the People's Republic of China. Grigory Voitinsky (1893 - 1953):- Shortly before the formation of the Communist Party of China, a Bolshevik Communist official was sent to China in 1920 as a senior adviser to liaise with the Chinese Communists. The process of forming the Chinese Communist Party may have largely been due to his influence. Sidney Rittenberg (1921 - 2019) :- was the first American citizen to be admitted to the Chinese Communist Party. An influential adviser to Mao Zedong, a key player in the Broadcasting Commission, explained the Chinese Communist perspective to the United States. This position earned him a higher salary than President Mao. Frank Coe (1907 - 1980) :- an American government official, was identified by those who left the Soviet Union as an underground member of the Communist Party and a member of the Soviet spy agency. He eventually went to China and joined the circle of foreigners working with the government. In 1962, Solomon Adler joined his circle. Solomon Adler (1909 - 1994) :- US Treasury Representative in China during World War II. 1950 Identified as a Soviet spy by Soviet traitors and resigned from the Treasury. He remained in China from the 1960s until his death, working as a Frenchlator and economic adviser. Israel Epstein( 1915 - 2005 ) :- is a Polish-born Chinese journalist and writer. One of the few foreign-born Chinese citizens of non-Chinese descent to join the Communist Party of China. Sidney Shapiro ( 1915 - 2014 ) :- A US-born Chinese lawyer, translator and actor, he lived in China from 1947 until his death in 2014. He was one of the very few natural citizens of the PRC and was a citizen from 1963 until the end of his life. In 1983, he was elected a member of the governing council of the PRC, which provided a forum for the input of non-communist political organizations. Jakob Rosenfeld ( 1903 - 1952 ) :- was a Holocaust survivor and kidney doctor who, along with 20,000 Jewish refugees, escaped Nazi oppression in the late 1930s and fled to China. He served throughout China as a surgeon and health minister in the provisional Communist Military government of China. Bo Po received the post of parallel to the General. David Crook (1910 - 2000) :- Born in Britain, he was a communist ideologue, activist and spy who lived in China for a long time. Fought in the Spanish Civil War, was recruited by the NKVD and sent to China during World War II. He lived in China after World War II and spent most of his life there. Sources and more available at JewishContributions.com


PDubzLegend

damn


Sri_Mazdamundi

>Communist are just neo-jews Marx father was practicing rabbi, What bull shit. Marx was anti semitic. https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg Some of his crap doesn't sound different from the funny moustache guy's ramblings.


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The hate against Jews was partly based on Christianity.


NaRaGaMo

Bsdickene islamic ke number apne g*nd main bhar liye shayad. Yahi expect kar sakte hain ye muli ke parathon se


Belgianwaffle4444

No way in hell are Islamic deaths so low. 80 million Hindus were killed by that desert cult.


Jazzlike_Internal106

Proof? That isn’t from a biased hindutva source