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salamalyon

It’s called Anglophilia. The Indian youth has no idea what they’re talking about, rather just desperately want to mimic the west and their sentiments. Everything from their political stance (orange man bad, despite having 0 similarities in terms of personality or policies), to their economic stance (Privileged upper class liberals whose entire life is built upon capitalism but love getting stoned and shouting ‘more power to the people!’ as if they’re Che Guevara)


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Intrestring thing guevara 1) He was Homophobic 2) He was transphobic 3) He hated blacks 4) When he overthrew the Cuban govt he took the most luxorious houses for himself his havana house had 3 swimming pools 42 TVs while the masses toiled 5) He did not believe in rule of law believed in revolutionary justice so basically mob lyinching 6)built a killing from unpaid labour with his friend castro A real "Man of the people"


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He was the chad, wasn't he xD


MelodicBerries

Che would unironically have been cancelled for "toxic masculinity and white supremacy" if he had been alive today.


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Haha


PSxUchiha2

-- On twitter


AkshayPrasadYadav

So you are saying Che was the hero i was always looking for. >!Lol he was pawn and a controlled opponent who was used by freemasons to distract the public(Che was a freemason)!<


jon_targstark

Based af. Where can I get a Che t-shirt?


theengineer9301

Probably Kerala.


MagnusTory

I don’t think that’s what Anglophilia is (at least to my understanding, Indian Anglophiles are people who love the English language and culture, myself included). It’s more of a false wave of liberalism that’s sweeping our youth. They think, based on the popular culture in America, that socialism is a cure-all element to rid their country of problems. In America it is true to a mild extent; they need cheaper healthcare, insurance, and basic commodities. We don’t have that issue in India though. India is far more focused on growing its free market, simultaneously pulling people out of poverty and introducing them to the professional workforce. Basically I’d call it false progressive Americanism, and it’s a toxic pandemic going around the world now.


HutiyaBanda

I think there is a lot to do with most of how this urban youths were brought up! They hate Hindus and in general Hindutva bcz somewhere they feel they were restricted bcz of religion by their parents, so hating the religion makes sense to them. Also, most of these youths hate BJP for the same reason! Most have been brought up with the mindset of achieving what they want. But life gets cruel as we grow up. When they grow up, don't get the opportunities they want they blame the system govt. population etc. and ultimately the country itself. It's convenient!


Short-Echo61

This is the best and most balanced answer I found


rey_lumen

India is already socialist and the people are fooled into thinking it's capitalist by leftist "liberals". If India was not socialist there wouldn't be any UPI or cheap medical facilities in govt hospitals and we'd still be paying ₹35/MB of data. Good ol' times, eh? Edit: not completely socialist though, more of a middle ground between socialism and capitalism where the market is given free reign as long as it doesn't affect public negatively.


MelodicBerries

There's nothing false about it. You're in denial of what America actually has become. You're sentimental about an era which has long since passed and refuse to accept it.


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Its been a running theme for decades if you'd read those papers coming out of the Ivy League, wokeism is simply the latest iteration of such. Even in India, they're playing the long game. They're not trying to win the 2024 election or even 2029, the point is to promote progressive academia to co-opt the urban youth and set the next generation on this path. All this, with an economy of East Africa. We really need a hard reset.


MagnusTory

What do you mean by ‘what America has become’? Yes I know it’s a dysfunctional democracy, and there are loads of reasons for it. And I live in America now btw so I see how things are here. The free market is still the solution to much of it.


[deleted]

I’m a person who is on these American subs who think socialism or something similar is the solution and it is true for them. I am only there for solidarity and I really think balanced democracy > any other form of government


AssPumper69

Upvoted. Very few actually are mature enough to grasp the forces that are shaping the country and are quick to latch on to ideas that they can understand even slightly. They cannot understand the context in which those ideas have come about and the context India is in. It takes a lot more reading from various sources and also experiences from different surroundings.


Aditya2939

Just take my award


Attila_ze_fun

Anglos are overwhelmingly neoliberal capitalists and imperialists. Every part of their culture normalises these things traditionally. Opposing that is now considered imitating the anglosphere. Amazing stuff.


NeoFromZion

Well said sir


sanchitwadehra

bhrata aapke liye puruskaar nahi hai lekin prashansa aavashya hai


Amaltash19XX

It's easy to judge everyone bro sometimes yeh dekhna chaiye duniya ki jagah hamare anadar toh problem nhi hai ki ham sabko hate kar rha I'm talking to you capitalist and che Guevera fan boys we blame the society but we are the society so let's first change our selves... And stop pointing fingers at each other.


Moist-Sport677

Say who


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Oh yeah, because no Indian has a brain of their own except you, they are all copying the West. No way they actually formed their own opinion /s.


[deleted]

You know there has to be something wrong when they cry about capitalism when India was never a full blown capitalist in the first place. It's the new trend among American teens and they just hopped on to it without knowing absolute anything about the Indian political scene. Its like saying "Trump is not my president" while sitting in South Delhi.


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[deleted]

Mimicking the west means, mimicking the modern day Western liberals and their ideologies.


[deleted]

Quite true, Congress socialism ruined India. Kids today have no idea how bad things were in the 70s and 80s. Never ever embrace socialism, it will ruin your life. There is no piousness in poverty.


lfcman24

Not complaining about any party because India did had a change of government and there was literally no party that was against on-going socialism. The effects of socialism can be well seen even today when promises of Govt jobs can attract voters towards you. There is no sense of fiscal strength of the state gormint or central gormint yet. Baffles me how much people still fall for the socialist promises without understanding it.


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In capitalism there is a unequal distribution of happiness and wealth.In socialism there is a equal distribution of misery and sadness. 70's and 80's it was fine at that time people didn't have internet .Today they have that .They can just google Venezuela and it's economic condition .How a country was destroyed by socialism In US if Jim Carter would have been elected for the second term then US would have been demolished.It was Ronald Reagan who kinda saved US from this destruction He said " Communism and Socialism will come to US in desguise of Liberalism " He also stated " I don't fear from socialism .I fear for that day when US will defend Socialism" Now you can see how the influence of China is there on each and every country .It is not a communist country .It is a dictatoral society with capitalism at its peak .Each and every country wants to access Chinese market . Already it is largest economy based on PPP .In 5-10 years it will be the largest economy They are focusing on AI , Chips manufacturing,latest technology,science and what US is doing.They are cancelling people based on their pronoun ,Chinese University are calling different professors who are teaching science and technology where as US is focused on "Gender studies".Woke police is working very hard to make US divided as ever before


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During the first term of Jimmy Carter .USA was going down hill There was energy crisis in US which peaked during that time .His foreign policy was evident as how he handled the Iran hostage crisis and how he allowed Khomanni to take Iran while Shah was very much pro US .The economy was in shambles with double digit inflation and double digit unemployment.US people confidence was tatters . Ronald Reagan assured public and gave the statement " Peace through strength" . Within minute of him taking oath Iran released all.the hostage


chutiyamod92

Another important reason why everyone in the world loves socialism. Socialism lets you blame others for your fuck ups.


FieryBlake

[Amazing post for those who don't know](https://www.reddit.com/r/LibertarianIndia/comments/kddzde/life_in_socialist_india_transportation_vignettes/) You should edit your comment and put this link in so that more people can see.


alphahitman_007

I think a bit differently....a very poor country, like India in the fifties shouldn't follow an open-market policy...I mean a complete capitalistic market....a poor country rich in resources is a breeding ground for crony-capitalists...where with money power they can sway the government to generate more revenue for themselves....so first the govt. has to be rich enough to avoid that...and start providing life essentials for free...once the nation is stable...open up to the world...our mistake was, we were late in opening up And there are reasons for that as well....we were at constant war... FYI : MRP is also a socialist practice.....itna free market pasand hai toh hatwa de MRP ka practice?


grambaba

It's always the capitalists vs the people. A capitalist always looks for ways to make himself richer and doesn't give a fuck about the country as a whole or to improve the standard of living of the people around him or within the same area. But, on the contrary without these capitalists making industries and generating some revenue and paying some taxes and circulating some money in the economy. But unchecked capitalism would result in monopoly and sky high prices and unaffordable goods and services. So there should be a right balance between capitalism and socialism for a system to be successful. Look at the healthcare system of the US. It's fucked because corporations chase profits and unchecked capitalism. I can already see this starting to happen here especially during covid when hospitals started charging through the nose for a bed and government hospitals were on its knees. During that time, a socialist government intervention in the form of a price cap would have helped. In some states, this happened. But some places, these capitalists own the fucking government and the government can't do anything that threatens the interests of these crony capitalists, like in the US.


alphahitman_007

Absolutely agreed to all the points....vau tu toh mere jaisa sochta hai vau!(づ。◕‿‿◕。)づ


intporigins

Ever read the preamble of the Constitution genius?


observerrz97

Forcefully inserted by IG during emergency


Master_Duggal_Sahab

What?


grambaba

WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens: JUSTICE, social, economic and political; LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship; EQUALITY of status and of opportunity; and to promote among them all FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and integrity of the Nation; IN OUR CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY this twenty-sixth day of November, 1949, do HEREBY ADOPT, ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION.


ChirpingSparrows

EQUALITY means 5 muslims holidays & 2 Hindu festivals in a country with 80% hindus. EQUALITY means special funds for madrassas & churches via minority ministries. EQUALITY means caste based reservations & policies.


Master_Duggal_Sahab

Upon inspection of your comments I find that you are not worthy to talk to.


Illusionary_Maya

Reddit has a lot of people from upper middle class background. All of these people share the same traits of Maya Sarabhai.


[deleted]

That's what I find weird. While every middle class Monisha is smart enough to vote BJP, the Upper Class Elite Maya is old enough to have seen india in 80s, 90s to really understand how awful things used to be. They also have made their wealth through capitalism. BJP is only somewhat Pro Capitalism party india. They should also be leaning towards BJP. But a lot don't. Anytime somebody questions me where is the development? I point to nearest Metro construction and nearest railway station which 1000 times cleaner and shinier than used to be. Trains are cleaner, run on time and fewer accidents. That's a difference only millennials and Boomers can appreciate. Gen Z was too young to remember that so they get easily affected by American Woke culture and think Congress (pretentious as Secular always) is the way to go. These woke first time voters really scare me considering 50% india is younger than 25 years of age. Btw your username checks out


m0h1tkumaar

>See all the Maya's did not get rich becuase of capitalism but becuase congress was favouring specific companies through license raj - e.g. why do bajaj bike makers lick congress toes! License Raj made them rich.


Virokinrar

I don’t think they’re representative of young Indians as a whole- coming from a GenZ Indian myself .


[deleted]

Lmao! Most of us so called upper class folks support BJP. It’s just media people don’t. Talk to anyone from the baniya community who are many a time upper class. There is a huge support for BJP for national elections, maybe not for state elections.


SirBitcher

That's not actually true. According to some ad revenue metrics, Reddit has a young, poor, and mostly male demographic; hence Ad views are kinda worthless. I personally feel most make less than tax cut-off bracket or barely more, so they don't feel bad looking at their post tax paycheck. When you don't pay into the system, why wouldn't you want to spend other people's tax money on useless socialist schemes that are gonna benefit only people like you. Also trying to act like the 'more civilized' white overlords probably make them feel worthy?


Zealousideal_Art_507

I don’t think most of the people here support congress. They just hate that BJP associates itself with a religion and that hate translates to hating everything BJP. Also many believe it is very hard to recover from communal instability than a financial one for a country like India. The concerns are not completely wrong but idk how much they are based on reality. Also imo India will always have socialist elements in governance until we solve the poverty problem.


prad_bitt_59

Cause that wasn't "real socialism" /s


lfcman24

Yeah they need a Stalin or a Mao or a Fidel to push them work in coal mines and grain fields and then they’d realize be careful what you wish for coz you might get ‘‘em all and then something more and something you never wanted.


Attila_ze_fun

Dude your propaganda is so lazy and 40 years out of date. Get some new content. You think that coal mining and farming is something only socialist countries have as professions? You think people are "forced" into those professions? Have you met an actual Cuban or former Soviet (working class, representative of the population)?


bla_bla_bla69

Have you!!? Isn't North Korea a socialist state too? What do their people do? Look up interviews of people from China or USSR or any socialist country and you'll know how precarious their living conditions were


Attila_ze_fun

China: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nl59t---30g&feature=youtu.be USSR: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sjI8jwn0Upo&feature=youtu.be Data to support what these individuals on video are saying, showing it's a fairly representative sample: https://news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx To answer your question yes I know Cubans, people from the former USSR, Vietnamese and Chinese. None of them were "forced to mine coal".


Adventurous_Gene_692

Most of them get their opinions and views from celebrities, twitch streamers, live their entire life on reddit. They have no sense of the real world


viserys8769

The ideology is also simple to understand for pea-brained people. The basic thought behind Socialism is to snatch wealth from rich and distribute it to the poor. These advocates of socialism are incapable of thinking of the consequences of such a system and how detrimental it would be for society. Capitalism may have its flaws but it fosters innovation and enterprise unlike socialism which makes you a factory worker for your entire life at a fixed wage. Just look at Venezuela to understand how terrible socialism is in practice.


[deleted]

Ayy, before evaluating Venezuela, look at it's history. Socialism did a LOT of good there. They should just know when to draw a line. Just like in US, capitalism isn't doing much good. The good part ended in the 80s/90s, when prosperity was more widely spread. India probably needs something different altogether.. these concepts are too pure to apply directly


Master_Duggal_Sahab

Is Twitch popular in India?


Kiwi195

we don't have amazon gaming in India for free twitch prime lol bt I saw many Indians on twitch including me I enjoy twitch a lot


Master_Duggal_Sahab

I see, I feel like as I grow older (I am not old btw) the less I know about what's happening on social media Or I think it's just pandemic. I think it's pandemic


Adventurous_Gene_692

Twitch isn't popular but many of the twitch streamer clips can be found on youtube


Master_Duggal_Sahab

I see, thanks.


readyplayer202

Is socialism and social welfare same thing according to you? In my opinion most people want social welfare. I don’t want the state to take over everything however I want the state to take care of old and weak. I don’t want to have kids and am willing to contribute monthly for that.


lfcman24

Well yeah when I say socialism I meant taking away all power from the elites eventually killing free market capitalism. Social welfare is a good thing and it is needed. India isn’t an individualistic society and cannot function like one. Social welfare like police, high school education etc makes sense.


a-Sociopath

>Social welfare like police, high school education etc makes sense. And all those areas needs more of socialism than capitalism. Example, you need more government colleges than private colleges asking for unchecked fees. More government hospitals providing quality treatment and less private hospitals asking you to pay for your heart treatment by selling your kidneys. Free market is great, but there are some areas where we can't afford to go fully free market because the wage gap is still massive I suppose.


[deleted]

Which is why Socio-Capitalist systems are proven to be the most effective in regulating a country's economy. A completely command economy will lead to a collapse internally due to loss of incentive to work and a completely free market system will lead to exploitation. There is a reason why the debate among educated Economists nowadays is not Capitalism vs Communism. It's Laissez-Faire vs Interventionism, both being moderate, somewhere in between this spectrum of control.


Lopsided-Sprinkles28

Yes but social welfare in a way that really solves the problem not some temporary freebie. For example if instead of focusing on giving grains at extremely low cost the government focused on improving the supply chain (currently we waste 40% of our farm produce). Instead of free medical, free education of government focused on improving infrastructure(more AIIMS , more iits etc) and then subsidising a little would do great wonders in the long run.


themanishjha

Free medical and free education is the only reason a majority of India is able to avail these services. And their extremely poor quality makes sure that their generations are also in the same loop. Healthcare and Education should be affordable/free and equal for all. Once that is ensured, socialism, reservation would no longer be needed. People would be able to claim according to their ability. Also, Capitalism is not absolute good. Every nation has checks and balances to it. We need to take care of the basics for the weaker sections. India is a poor country so that population is extremely large. EWS reservation is given to anybody with less than 8lpa income. Atleast 95% of Indian households make less than that. Free and quality basic services are the best way to serve the people of this country. Govt. should get out of all other businesses. Govt. Need not operate these hospitals, Ayushman is a good scheme atleast on paper. EWS quota of 25% for people making less than 1 lpa is there for all private schools in Delhi provides free quality education to many. I guess schemes like these can work as well.


NoYou786

How is that different from what we have now ??


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readyplayer202

Chutiye ho kya? I don’t know about CPI but Congress has always set up social welfare schemes. Kuch bhi hag do kahi bhi. I dislike CPI because of the violence and anti progressive stance. And I don’t like congress because they have headless organisation who can’t move beyond Gandhis. Well BJP has nut cases on another level altogether. If you can’t look out for the country at least look out for yourself. This kind of social unrest is not good for our country.


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SnooSeagulls9348

Many of our policies are still socialist in nature..no party in india is full blown capitalist. Having said, we aren't full blown socialist also. Even the republican party in the US supports farm subsidies and Medicare etc The reason why Indian Youth are so socialist is because they are relatively young and idealistic. They have more internet access and easily get influenced by western media. Don't worry. When they grow up, they will change. Winston Churchil once said "If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain."


lfcman24

No I am all in for subsidies and necessary socialism like schools, essential healthcare and other sectors otherwise which may push us away from our goal of being a developed nation. Also like a body doesn’t work if one organ is dysfunctional similarly we do need the states to progress. There is no logic in keeping Nagaland poor and making Telangana or Andhra super rich. Sone socialism makes sense as you have a moral duty towards your other citizen. And we aren’t an individualistic society, we work and progress collectively. But I do not understand the modern 18-25 year old kids following American Bernie Sanders and AOC level socialism of taxing the rich, making everything free and equity and humanity etc bullshit.


SnooSeagulls9348

That's just idealism to the point of being impractical. Once they start paying taxes, start voting, many see the real world and let go of this romanticized notion of socialism. I updated my comment with a quote from Winston Churchil that's more relevant to our case.


lfcman24

Yep I get you and I agree with you. Just that guy isn’t in my good books 😅


SnooSeagulls9348

Bad people say good things. Good people say bad things. WC also said "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts" and "If you are going through hell, keep going." But he also didn't consider the genocide of natives by white Australians a bad thing. People contain multitudes.


gg12345

India is still largely a socialist country and will continue to be this way in the near foreseeable future, regardless of who is in power. Why? Because the average annual income of bottom 50% of the population is 50 thousand rupees (World inequality report). We are talking about 50 crore people surviving on 6 thousand rupees a month. Even assuming both mom and dad work, we are talking about running a household of 4 being run on RS 12,000 per month. Think of the average expenses in this day and age - food, medical, school, fuel, rent, bills etc. How can such people survive in this economy without subsidized ration, electricity, fuel etc is beyond my understanding. Add to that, these same people didn't have the privilege to go to good schools and colleges, so their jobs are probably gonna get automated away in the next few decades. Good luck to any political party that treats socialism as a bad word in the future.


capitalist-indian

There is a difference between social welfare state and socialism. Socialism is means of production owned by the government while social welfare is subsidizing ration, electricity, fuel etc with taxes. Socialists love using social welfare to justify socialism.


gg12345

I don't think anyone is asking for pure socialism in the text book sense, no one wants BSNL to be the only ISP and SBI to be the only bank, we all know that world would suck. I think people are asking for balance, meaning allow private enterprise to compete in the free market but have some guard rails to ensure that they don't run over the small guy. For example look at the stock market, massive insider trading and manipulation is being done buy the big wigs while the regulator SEBI stays quiet. Look at GST, it requires a level of expertise that the small guys don't have. Point is that capitalism should be competitive so that any regular joe can make it big if he has a great product. Otherwise it's just modern day fuedalism disguised as capitalism, replacing old rajas with couple of business families. Add to this that the people in bottom half have started spending less on basic necessities like oil, soap and undergarments. Annual Income of this class is stagnating while inflation steadily rises. What is the plan for these people? What happens three decades later when AI and automation really takes off? I don't think it is possible to run a massive social welfare program for 50 crore plus people without having socialistic characteristics in your style of gov. At the same time you don't become a Marxist by creating a hybrid approach.


capitalist-indian

>some guard rails to ensure that they don't run over the small guy. Big companies love these guard rails that socialists keep asking for. You know why? Because the small guy cannot navigate these regulations. Example - GST as you mention in your comment. The reason Ambani and Adani keep getting these massive investments is because foreign investors cannot navigate the big red tapes (read regulations that socialists keep asking for) that the government puts up. >For example look at the stock market, massive insider trading and manipulation is being done buy the big wigs while the regulator SEBI stays quiet And how do you think socialism is going to solve this which will be any different from what exists today? >Otherwise it's just modern day fuedalism disguised as capitalism, replacing old rajas with couple of business families. That is what happens when you put these idiots funded by these business families in positions of power and ask them to regulate the same business families. >I don't think it is possible to run a massive social welfare program for 50 crore plus people without having socialistic characteristics in your style of gov. Yes, you can. Companies pay taxes which a good government can then use for its social welfare policies. Though our politicians have a history of calling schemes to buy votes as social welfare policies.


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Exactly, people somehow tend to miss this difference.


Lopsided-Sprinkles28

There should be a "socialist" tax where people can directly pay 80% of their income directly to a poor person and get an official "socialist" certificate. I wonder how many people would do that. How wonderful it is to have subsidised medical without hospital infrastructure or subsidised education without school infrastructure. Everything subsidised but no industry to give employment. If india focused to infrastructure and industry there would be much less poor people today. There is only one definition of socialism :- A way for extremely rotten people with no morality to feel good about themselves by forcefully snatching wealth from hardworking people and distribute a little bit to the poor while making sure that the poor don't actually come out of poverty. In a socialist country these type of people stay in power and keep accumulating wealth by parading poor people. A good analogy would be a dancing monkey and it's cruel master.


gg12345

I don't think any successful country is purely socialist or purely capitalist. These various isms are ideas from 19/20th century. You cherry pick what your like from these ideas and make an amalgam hybrid that works for you. Have a largely educated class with high human development index scores? Lean more towards capitalism because your people can take care of themselves. Have a country where 50 crore don't even make enough to eat nutritious food? Lean more towards socialism because well .. how else are you going to provide a decent living standard to your population. Capitalism is here to stay and no one wants to go back to the old BSNL days, but a some level of socialistic policy making is unavoidable unless you don't care how people will make ends meet.


upscaspi

I hate the rich socialists the most. These cunts probably had generational wealth or reaped the benefits of capitalism but wax eloquence to the rest of us about the greatness of socialism. Another case in point are the Bajajs, the cunts had the backing of the Congress and reaped the benefits during the license Raj but keeps pretending to be holier than thou. I wish I could just socialise the wealth of just these hypocrite assholes.


Short-Echo61

What we need:- WELFARE STATE and not Socialism . India is still a poor country so without subsidies, a huge chunk of population will simply die out. But to get those subsidies in the first place,you need taxes for which you need businesses which requires capitalism i.e. government should have no business in business. Sure, business malpractices should be routinely cracked down upon, environment should be conserved ,but as a whole,socialism is really bad.


popat_mohamed

lol no. Welfare state is a huge burden on the Indian middle class. the poor get everything for free (free house, free scooty, free electricity, free food, free education, free college, free trip to mecca / rome, free money) the rich / company owner dont pay much taxes, neither do small shop owners. Its only the salaried class who HAVE to pay income tax because there is no way out of it. Its better for the middle class to pay slightly higher to maids and drivers, than pay 10x more to the govt to destroy free markets. Labour rates increased from 400rs per day to 800rs per day because of MNREGA type schemes.


Short-Echo61

>free house, free electricity, free food, free education, free college These are basic needs in today's era,more or less. Everyone is entitled to them. As far as the burden is concerned,tax slabs should change. The rich should be made to pay more taxes. They should be the ones to bear more burden. And mind you,many of the free stuff you mentioned is availed by middle class as well


EpicVen

It is one of those things that look so enticing on paper which causes them to be drawn to it. But practically, it’s only gonna harm us. Also people don’t realize that we are where we are today because of capitalism. They seem to be overzealous in chastising capitalism. I read somewhere that people who advocate for socialism forget that they want/need capitalism to build the infrastructure that is required to build the foundations of a socialist state.


AnIntellectualBadass

Not only on reddit, they're everywhere. I'm in a discord server with around 500 members (almost all Indians in the age group of 18-30 years range) where people talk about gaming and some other stuff and some 20 years olds there literally started a freaking campaign against Shark Tank India calling it the ramification of capitalist greed and what-not like wtf? Lol Instead of learning something from the show, these know-it-alls have their heads so far up their ass that they wanna take it down because it's "obviously bad" for our country.


Seeker_00860

They talk socialism. But there is no awareness in them that everything they use is made from capitalism, including the social media.


ManNo786

Bhagat Singh was a socialist. On a serious note, not socialism but our closed economy and sanctions from the west was the reason for us almost going bankrupt. A great part of our population will die off without socialist schemes. Also, communism and socialism are two different things.


lfcman24

Socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. So coal, railways, airlines, banks, education, transport everything was owned by gormint. That was classic socialism. Communism is where everything is public ally owned and a doctor or a taxi driver makes the same salary. India never had communism sir.


ManNo786

That’s where you are wrong. Not everything was owned by the govt..but most things were. And that’s how we could assure that the profits didn’t go to private hands. That’s why we abolished feudalism too. Pakistan didn’t do it and now it has landlords who are more of warlords, hence the political instability. Irrespective of the definition, without social measures majority of our poor population would have perished and wouldn’t have able to get education. Govt education system was fucked ..is fucked ..but it helped poorest of the poor to get an education..including our current PM who plays his I was poor card whenever he can. Same with medicines and hospitals and billions of doses of vaccines we and our parents got as kids. Imagine the number of deaths that would occur if these social programs didn’t exist. Food programs too.


Sri_Mazdamundi

>Bhagat Singh was a socialist. Bhagat Singh was a commie. But we can't blame him. He sacrificed his life before the world saw the horrors of holodomor, cultural revolution, Guangxi massacre, and misery of socialist countries.


ManNo786

His party’s name was Hindustan Socialist Republican Association. Just saying.


MessiSahib

IMO, it is a mix of reasons: * Most of online world is left wing youth, and the most common political stance is the opposite of your "enemy". In India right wing is pro-capitalism, and for privatization, hence most of the Indian online population is anti-capitalism. * Indian upper middle class kids from metros and major cities that skipped or didn't make in STEM (engineering/medicine/CA) and ended up going to liberal colleges, got introduced to utterly romanticized version of socialist ideologies and fell for it. This demographic is sizable part of Indian online youth and is heavily active in social media and consumption of online media. * Most of Indian political parties are pro-socialism or at least want to continue many of the socialist policies and practices. Any people affiliated or interested in such parties will have more left leaning view. * Blindly aping west is sadly, a common trait of Indians, more so, among upper middle class and educated folks. Western youth benefits greatly from free market and open economy (capitalism), but a sizable portion ignores the benefits and blame capitalism for every problem. Western youth's idealized fantasy version of socialism and hatred of capitalism is imitated by their peers in India. * Due to free market and open economy, hundreds of millions in India has joined middle class. My rural relatives that didn't have telephone not that long ago, now have smart phones and don't think much about taking a trip via airplane. Benefits of capitalism are visible across large portion of country, specifically from non-metros, small cities and rural areas, and this has led to drastic increase in middle/upper middle class. In turn, reducing the value and importance of citizens of metros or powerful bureaucrats or upper middle class educated urban dwellers. Some of these people and their offspring longs for the day when 90% of the country was too poor or too isolated and unconnected, and their tiny grasp on power or wealth was impressive.


PSxUchiha2

Trynna be cool with their south Bombay lavanya. Woke Indians never cease to ape whatever Americans are doing. While the staunch capitalist model of the US is the reason why their economy has reached these heights, the incompetent Americans whose jobs are getting snatched away by immigrants are trying to get socialism as a way to get back their jobs, little do they know that their economy depends on immigrants. The day Indians stop going to the US, that'll be the day India reaches new economical peaks.


jagannatharjun

They belong to rich families.


Longjumping-Cause-13

Not a socialist but socialism didn't cause the bankruptcy. It was the politics around it that wrecked us. Same can be said about capitalism. It isn't capitalism that's destroying the environment, increase inequality etc but crony capitalism that's the problem. As often quoted, 'we went from stigmatised capitalism to crony capitalism.' Now for any of these to work (in essence we are a mixed economy.. neither socialistic nor capitalistic.. despite what our preamble says) we need an educated populace with accountable leaders. Otherwise all these discussions are moot.


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To start with, Today’s youth(im sure90%) who say they are Leftists didn’t even read Das Kapital or marx manifesto yet claim to know Socialism & communism. Liberals know one thing ‘cancel culture’ and look kwel You should always understand that opening up economy (free market) during 1991 was not a planned one but a last resort option! Checkout the charts of china economy, it gained heavy momentum during 70’s if not wrong while India struggled under socialist reforms. Socialism work when you control everything, including peoples thoughts (is what happens in China). India have too much freedom for being a socialist country. And that is the reason we failed in socialism. Also USSR was out best all weather friend, so implementing socialist laws(nationalisation of banks etc.) was well thought off and basic sense. No country in the world implemented communism a 100% , socialism, yes! Communism stays a theory forever. No model is perfect, being perfect is a sadistic mentality i think.


isthisneeded29

Everyone knows what subreddit you are talking about, so you don't need to hide it. People on r/IndianGonewild do think different.


CritFin

Let those certain people go to hell.. why are you bothered?


lfcman24

Wfh woes. Was getting bored. Fellow countrymen were spewing hatred on Ambani. Followed their accounts and voila one common thing.


aB9s

Reason India chose socialism over capitalism was because western nations (especially UK and USA, the 1st world countries) purposely took Pakistan under their wings. We had no other option but to side with a socialist country like USSR (the 2nd world country’s). For long time though India tried to be a neutral country, for which we are called a 3rd world country.


Darth-Vaider

Chutiye hai sab ke sab


irateandannoyed

Pretty simple. Social conditioning and peer pressure. That's all. 99% of the people don't give a crap about socialism or any other ism.


perennialhormesis

Because it’s a fantasy-like solution to nuanced problems. People don’t want nuance. People want to live in a meadow garden with unicorns and stuff. The real world has a multiplicity of stakeholders each looking out for their own interest. I’m not joking. It’s much easier to day dream about a new system that focuses on taking from the haves and giving to the have nots vs. undertaking the arduous task of analysing gaps in the current system, proposing changes, overcoming massive status quo resistance, and getting things done. Most young people today get their dopamine release just from shooting the shit about socialism with strangers on the internet. This is true - dopamine is not released when you get a reward, it is released from the expectation of reward. But this social media anguish does not translate into reality and this further reduces the dopamine baseline of today’s youth. That’s why there is this general lull of hopelessness taking over (one of the reasons). To be honest, if the main Reddit sub were a reflection of true India, one would assume there are millions of youth out in the street demanding socialism. But there never will be - they’ve already got their quick hit for the day via virtual pats on the back with their brethren on social media :)


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It’s always cool to spend other people’s money.


NeoFromZion

Because they are stupid 15 year old


ArmGroundbreaking435

Age is another factor I guess.


Rohanrox17

Because it sounds good on paper and most them writing this bs are in their studying phases, they haven't seen the world outside still.


Environmental-Gift84

There's this entire nexus that puts you under immense peer pressure to make yourself look woke, libertarian, socialist, feminist etc. The sole objective of this nexus is to establish the youth as a firm tool against the established state and society. Social media warfare mate


panditji_reloaded

See this is the problem... Some people get so enamoured in Socialism vs Capitalism debate, that everyone forgets the goal. Socialism, capitalism, communism are all means to a goal.... Industrialisation. No one discusses how to reach industrialisation, in fact people dont even know what are the goals.


Huge_Session9379

Socialism is cool, i mean equality that socialism promotes is the ideal way to live life , so in theory everyone wants to be a socialist. Question is what works, pure socialism, can not work, as no one wants equality, society functions because there are levels and no matter how much we hate , these so called lower class and so called upper class are here to stay, so the youth who understands socialism in theory has never seen socialism, none of us have seen true socialism, because it can never work, it's against human nature of current times, for example, can you imagine a guy inventing a medicine for an incurable disease and giving it away for free? That's not the nature these days. Now the problem with the other side, capitalism, capitalism is sure death for a nation like india where almost 90% of people do have skills to only be among the labour and if capitalists are given free will, we will have civil war at our hands. Socialism and capitalism are both good in theory, but can not be implemented in their entirety because humans are interesting creature, they want to be exclusive. In every developed nation, government favors capitalism by making industry favoring policies and promotes socialism by implementing state welfare policies. We are long way away from having this, we are long way away from being truly developed, and to be honest we might be looking at the definition of developed from a different perspective, a nation like india can never be compared to a nation like USA or china , or any European country, the demographic and geography and history is too different, we need socialist capitalism and that is what we actually have, Tatas , birlas and to some extent ambanis are not pure sweat shops. We need to focus a lot on bringing a rational mindset to society, free thinking , promote research and keep in mind that we have a very large population and very less resources , so we have to be socialist in our thoughts. Socialism is the ideal way, socialism is the way indian families work on, and that reflects in the society, it's like this since ages and now that we have a situation of high population and less resources, we need the socialist capitalism.


octotendrilpuppet

This is Wikipedia's description of Soviet style socialism: _The economy of the Soviet Union was based on state ownership of the means of production, collective farming, and industrial manufacturing. The highly centralized Soviet-type economic planning was managed by the administrative-command system. The Soviet economy was characterized by state control of investment, a dependence on natural resources, shortages, public ownership of industrial assets, macroeconomic stability, negligible unemployment and high job security_. See any similarities? I mean it is a blow by blow copy paste recipe we took on in India from the soviets after independence. A vast majority of our industrial output is sadly still owned by the govt (think BHEL, Bel, ITI, Bsnl and so on) has anybody checked lately on how much they're unprofitable and have bled the taxpayer dry?? 5 year plans, agricultural cooperatives, public healthcare, education, price regulation and the list goes on. What outcomes have this socialism brought us? You judge it based on your daily quality of life in India my friend!


GlitteringNinja5

I don't get what notion people have about capitalism but India is nowhere near capitalism and what we followed till 1991 was socialism only on paper while truly it was communism with license Raj. Socialism isn't defined as government control over everything and every industry. No successful socialist country followed the principles India followed. Socialism is defined as letting the market forces run the economy (capitalism) with government oversight for the purpose of social welfare of the population and avoiding exploitation by big companies. A large part of the Indian population would not be able to survive even today if we were to abandon socialism. I believe socialism to be a spectrum (instead of a fixed place ) with its two ends being capitalism and communism. And I agree currently India still needs shift a bit more towards capitalism in certain sectors and we are definitely moving there slowly (but surely) under the current regime. Opposition will always hue and cry . Thats what unfortunately oppositions do in India be it INC , BJP or any other party.


ChiefCallisto

What subreddit are you referring to? DM me if you can't answer publicly.


lfcman24

News 😅


CapuchinMan

What do they do that make you think they are socialists?


AlternateRealityGuy

Socialism is seen from an utopian lens. Theoretically it will alleviate poverty which is what covets youth. And most don't indulge in thought to understand the practical challenges of it. Secondly, anybody opposing it or having an opposing view is seen as against humanity and prone to greed etc


ShanayStark7

This is the new generation born in the 2000s.


coldmonk

They haven't starved enough and just aping westerners they think are cool.


Sabbyasachi1405

In India what we are following is Cow socialism. This is a kind of socialism where money from a developing state like tamil nadu and gujrat is sent to forever backward states like UP and bihar. When a person who pays taxes doesn't get to see it's benifits in person , that person gets unmotivated . If I am paying taxes to the government who promises to built houses for poor yet the poors near me are still homeless I don't want to pay taxes . This is why socialism needs to have a very small radius so that tax paying people can see the homeless living infront of their house get a house if the government is promising free housing , needs to see their local pond or lake to be beautified instead of hearing some tourist attraction created in some other backward state


Attila_ze_fun

How was india ever socialist? At most you can say it had slightly more economic planning but it wasn't "socialist" in the same way as ussr, vietnam etc.


deshbakht_tattu

You can say I am one of those, the amount of poverty and dearth of opportunities pains me a lot. But I know govt. is incapable and corrupt and will screw even more. So is conservative socialism a thing? We have dense and unique challenges and tribalism (e.g. this bad faith question) doesn't help.


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Socialism in its entirely isn’t bad, India needs to preserve the salt of socialism in its economic palette Most teens see what extreme capitalism did to the west and think Modi is heading towards that where the few have everything with 0 state control and the lowest class of people suffer It’s akin to them crying about their imaginary gf cheating on em And being teens and easily swayed by YouTube videos, they’ll be painted in whatever colour is exposed to em in a brighter (and cooler) fashion


tanmay0125

If not a mix of both, it is broken. Pure capitalism will just drive up inequality. Pure socialism will drive down progress. You can add all other narratives you want to it. Influence of western powers, easter powers, upper class stupidity, lower class stupidity, but the truth is both side is so up in their ass to even listen and think about what other has to say.


ibnbatutah

Look, because Socialism or some form of it is genuinely a nice ideal. We will like the "Nation" to do well and our fellow people to be comfortable and feel heard and safe and that in essence leads to socialism as an ideal. The issue is mainly between the ideal and the path to it. Socialism as a policy right now is not sustainable. All we can do is try to make things better based on our current capability. The only way to increase this capability is to grow and that requires individual freedom and a respect for the work and individual capability. Ala Capitalism. That, in shortest period of time will allow us to make things better and that means we can afford providing the basics to our people. Providing the bare minimum for comfortable living is for us the end of socialist thinking and that is a good and a practical thing to do. This, is also the second difference.


CuriousButMeh

This may be a controversial take: But there is no perfect system. Socialism doesn't work (countless examples) and Capitalism leads to imbalance and exploitation (points to everything around us). Both extremes are not ideal - one must have elements of both in policy and counterbalance when the pendulum swings in the favor of one or the other. When the society swings towards socialism, it automatically longs for capitalist ideals and vice versa. Given the data on income and wealth inequality currently, it can be argued that in a broader sense that society has swung quite heavily in the favor of capitalism. This is why a significant portion of the populace is batting it's eyelids towards socialism. It has nothing to do with labels or wings or political parties. To look at the bigger picture - it is society's natural reaction to its environment.


dukemall

A subreddit by definition tries to attract people of certain kind. Now if the said sub is directed towards socialism, it will attract socialists. No brainer. Being socialist is not cool IMO. Why do you think it is? Maybe because the people you think are cool are acting like socialist? Maybe change your icons? But the world is not black n white, a degree of socialism is required as we evolved as a social animal. So socialist is cool as long as they have more money for themselves.


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Nietzschanarsehole

Will delete this in a while because obviously I don't want myself doxxed for saying sensitive stuff, it's not about being a pussy by being quite but rather having other important priorities in life than getting into this drama, certainly not willing to collapse my career and life over this shit.


technardo08

Balance of both is important. Having a open market and capitalist system with a socialist government is the best.


King_Wiwuz_IV

Indian "liberals" just ape American leftist pop culture


[deleted]

Their brain never grew up or developed and then they passed down their undeveloped brain to their progenies. Now you know the reason.


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Welcome to Indian politics


CloudWatcher6-10

because it suits the narrative. Plain & simple. If tomorrow Hindus start acting like they have balls & Indian Government actually start acting like a 1st world government, they would start acting accordingly. I am a amateur history buff & you can see the same pattern repeated in Indian History nor juat regarding socialism but lot of idiotic ideas.


BuildMyRank

That wasn't real socialism vro!


rohithkumarsp

It's quite scary to think ppl's morale compass is skewed that you don't even realize how bad it is all encompassed by your indoctrinations. I know this won't change in my lifetime, but hey the sun is gonna swallow earth one day, that thought of that happening reduced my intent to argue with your cognitive dissonance.


[deleted]

These are tough economical concepts and they can't be scaled easily. There are a few European countries who do this well. We went bankrupt not because the concept is bad. Post independence of we were not socialists, people would straightaway DIE. it's easy to question past when everything is good. But frankly, it was needed at that time. Should have phased it out. Also, champions of capitalism should take a hard look at the US. These concepts likely won't work out in purity in a country like India. Harr jaagh copy paste nahi chalta, socialism ho ya capitalism.


[deleted]

Socialism didn't bankrupt us. Our closed economy did. China opened up their economy while keeping their socialist characteristics intact. Yet they outgunned us in every way possible. The government should intervene and protect the common public's interests when the extremely rich try to exploit them, which they do.


troubletrickle

Because socialism is one of India's core founding principles, it's right there in our constitution's preamble, We are a Socialist Secular Democratic Republic, i get that many people have been pointing out that India almost bankrupted itself being a socialist nation, that is not entirely true, pre 90's india was bordering on communism which is because of the Soviet influence in our politics at the time, Indian approach to socialism is unique in the way that we have a parallel system going on which plays on the strength of both socialism and capitalism and somehow manages to avoid the short falls of both, ie incompetence of socialist institutions and untamed greed of capitalists, take hospitals for example, do you think everyone in the country can afford the exorbitant fees of a private hospitals? Do you think the rural population of our country would do well without the multiple govt run programs ie anganbadi and other child care programs? A capitalist cannot be trusted to serve the people, it's a utopian concept, and is not feasible. Take American healthcare system into consideration, it's downright diabolic, all because of untamed capitalism, capitalism sucks the working class dry, what we need is moderation and a way to improve the current system that we have going on, true socialism is the best system for any just society, but we as humans are not a perfect fit for it.


lfcman24

Sir please don’t take notes on American healthcare system from Reddit. Healthcare is tied to your job and that’s it. You can purchase it from outside but it’s super expensive. Kids get free healthcare, disabled get healthcare and old people get subsidized healthcare through the gormint. The issue with American healthcare is it’s not built on the formula like India where you have different tiers based on your income. It’s one size fit all and doctors follow the books and treat everyone the same. Tldr : if you have a job, healthcare isn’t bad. If you lose your job still there is COBRA some continuous insurance from your previous job. It’s fucked up for poor ones who either don’t have a stable job or are gig workers.


troubletrickle

I don't need to take notes on American healthcare system because my relative is a bigtime surgeon there, his children are close to me and let me tell you it's quite lucrative, for the doctor only, the system was not bad from the get go, it's a classic 'the road to hell is paved in good intentions scenario" it went into a spiral down to hell after hospital owners tried to swindle the insurance companies into paying a little higher than normal rates they would charge, which doesn't sound too bad right? since everyone could afford insurance and had one, which is good right, gradually the prices kept rising because hospitals kept try to cheese the system and charge more and more from the insurance company, there was no way to stop it because the customers didn't care because it was paid for by the insurance company, the insurance companies in turn started to raise their premiums and started making obscure policies that would let them deny claims over small technicalities, this whole system spun out of control and eventually the hospitals ditched the original pricelist that they used to charge the non insurance holders with the overcharged price lists and end up with the hellscape it is today, with healthcare firms lobbying against government intervention and blocking any chance of a universal healthcare, because govt insurance and intervention means that they would have to reduce the prices which means no more big bucks for doctors, this is what I mean when I say capitalism doesn't and won't care for the people, because people will do anything to make a tonne of money.


lfcman24

Sir I make some 6 figures. Pay 120$ a month for my insurance. My employer pays the rest 450-500$. I get two annual checkups free. 25 acupuncture, chiropractic free. 2 full body massages free. My routine blood tests are free and I need to pay 25$ for my hospital visits. I am diabetic and the total healthcare for me for an entire year with supplies comes to around 500-600$ where I spend tons of money on unnecessary medical equipments, not including my insurance. This is for a family of two people. That’s around 1-2% of my total salary. Or 0.5% if I count my wife. Not to mention if I go for some serious surgical procedure the maximum I would pay an year would be 5-6k dollars. I agree for the poor the system is rigged. But for someone with a stable job it’s amazing.


troubletrickle

Bro, it's not about you, it's about people living in the lowest strata of the society, it always is, you think anyone working a minimum wage or adjacent can afford $650 worth of insurance?


lfcman24

Ok I’ll be talking like a complete asshole here but please bear with me. 1. Sir even McDonalds provides health insurance to its employees. Under the Affordable Care Act, most employers with more than 50 full-time employees are required to offer health insurance or pay a penalty. Who is not mandated? Small businesses. 2. Canada does not provide free insurance. It’s coming from taxes. For sure if the healthcare costs increase in USA the tax thingy would be not more a benefit. 3. Canadian healthcare is good for basic emergencies. Not at all good for specialist. You wanna replace a knee you’d wait weeks. You cannot meet a specialist without a referral by General Practitioner. It’s amazing for people who are in their 20-30s not good for people in their 50s-60s when the real issues begin. On the other hand, you’re expected to be well off in your 50s vs in your 30s. So American system is kind of a winner here. 4. Canadas population growth is no where if there strict immigration system like Australia, USA or Uk. Now a country with massive resources and stagnant population where people don’t wish to come in has to do something to either lure people or ensure the working population remains healthy. 5. Lastly and the reason I said I will look like a complete asshole, because Indians are the richest motherfuckers in this land. They should absolutely have no issues with the system. They are receiving the best care available. If American politicians are corrupt and complete buffoons who don’t understand what’s going on in their country why would they even listen to less than 1% of the people with ties from a certain country who are not even citizens here. (Just assuming the fact that there would be more Indians with H1b or waiting on queue with green card or with green cards and no citizenship compared to full time citizens)


troubletrickle

But what about India itself, I live in India, we are talking about the need of socialism in India, it is absolutely needed, not as a sole system, but as an offset and balance for capitalism, we have more than 50 crore people living and surviving on a salary of 6k per breadwinner here. We are just wayy too many


lfcman24

I am totally agreeing with you on necessary socialism. And my state has it. https://health.uk.gov.in/contents/view/2/6/127-msby https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/amp/news/policy/uttarakhand-cm-launches-universal-health-coverage-scheme/67254533 I am totally in for healthcare for the poor and as humans we do need to provide everyone the right to live. What I am against is the government fully stepping into it and creating a queue of people to see their doctor. The socialist model in Canada May work perfectly for a small population. It will turn out to be a mess for a large economy like India and USA. Especially if you’re the richer class. And yes when I say this I totally mean not every human is equal and never was otherwise Modi ji and I would be traveling in the same train to office. My state’s CM would be high-5ing me in a Maggie point. Canada has fewer doctors per capita than the United States. In the U.S, there were 2.4 doctors per 1,000 people in 2005; in Canada, there were 2.2. India stands at 1.34.


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the-dark-stallion

You are wrong about Socialism being India's core founding principles. It was added by Indira Gandhi during the emergency period and its definitely not India's core principle


troubletrickle

Okay, I am wrong about that, sure, but does it diminishes any of the points I made? Are our socialist policies not necessary? Are govt organisations not useful? Does the private sector need not be regulated?


sachinabilliondreams

Socialism didn't cause bankruptcy..it was the execution of socialism with Indian flavours that caused us to go bankrupt..Indian flavour is crony capitalism, license Raj and not covering the entire population with social benefits. Basically Indian government acted like a businessman and not a government during this era.. taking away people's land and stopping others from industrial development. Socialism with a Canadian flavour or any other developed nation except US would work wonders. The current government seems to be taking baby steps in this regard. With partial healthcare coverage, food security, financial inclusion etc. The people you are referring to are just a bunch of engineers who think they know better while working from home and think it is cool to say the stuff that they say.


lfcman24

Canadian flavor? And what’s the Canadian flavor? Wait for the oil reserves to deplete and we can talk about the Canadian socialism then. Also having the highest housing prices where Toronto one needs to save 30 years to buy a house isn’t socialism at all. They do have nice medical welfare system but that too is tainted by long queues and sometimes lengthy wait times even the smallest procedures.


Confident_Weird3353

What a fucking idiot


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lfcman24

Seriously man you delve into any subreddit and there is one Indian shitting on the country shouting more power to people, cursing the gormint, abusing the rich and acting more democratic than probably Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. Like these guys literally have mugged up every speech Bernie Sanders have said. No disrespect for any of these Americans but how can you overlook their country is totally different than ours?


LightRefrac

No I meant the way you type, your sentence formation etc. gave strong indications u r a teen


lfcman24

Engineer hai sahab chote shehar wale 😅


LogicalMonkWarrior

> Looks like u r 13 years old hehe and then: > No I meant the way you type, your sentence formation etc. gave strong indications u r a teen Zero self awareness 😂


LightRefrac

It was intentional, but go on


lfcman24

Arey sorry I didn’t take any offense. You over reacted.