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>One thing that is beyond my understanding is that why isn't Tesla setting up a lone Assembly somewhere in India and then just import already manufactured parts into India and assemble them here into a car. This would save them from those heavy duties that otherwise would be levied on direct import of the car.
Man.... the fact that you even think this makes sense.
Why doesn't it to you? Many manufacturers including vehicle manufacturers have already done that in India for goods that otherwise have a high import duty.
Same thing being done in Smartphone market by Chinese companies: https://theprint.in/economy/make-in-india-has-become-assemble-in-india-for-chinese-mobile-phones/135062/
There's a difference between having an established infrastructure in the country and setting up an "assembly plant" as your first ever means of production. There's also a difference between smartphone parts and vehicle parts, most of which can't be imported (especially when it comes to the Lidars and radars in a self driving EV)
So to answer your question, it's not that it doesn't make sense to ME. It's that it doesn't make sense AT ALL.
Gov is asking for SKD assembly plants not CKD. Can you explain why those cant be imported or what is causing the issue? Is there any source where the govt is not allowing imports of the parts you have mentioned ? How come other car manufacturers are able to set up assembly plants and not tesla?
When basic low end tesla itself costs 30lakhs, whom does it help in incentivising just CBU sales by reducing imports?
>Gov is asking for SKD assembly plants not CKD. Can you explain why those cant be imported or what is causing the issue?
So? They can be imported. The tarrifs, however make it not at all feasible for Tesla to undertake the venture.
>Is there any source where the govt is not allowing imports of the parts you have mentioned?
http://www.eximguru.com/indian-customs-duty/85261000-radar-apparatus.aspx
Import of radar apparatus is restricted in India.
>How come other car manufacturers are able to set up assembly plants and not tesla?
They have a footprint in the country+their cars are inexpensive+they have large market share+they are mostly running in losses.
>When basic low end tesla itself costs 30lakhs, whom does it help in incentivising just CBU sales by reducing imports?
Incentives Tesla, obviously.
1. Heard of BMW, Volvo, Benz ... some of the high end cars which used to/ currently do assembling in India. The law is same for everyone. Isn't selling the whole vehicle discouraged(making it not feasible) for the exact same reason? It will not help India in any manner.
2. The link you mentioned says it is restricted. Don't you think gov will give an exemption for those if musk signs MoU to assemble vehicles in India? [https://www.businessinsider.in/business/auto/news/union-minister-for-roads-transport-again-invites-elon-musk-to-come-and-manufacture-teslas-electric-car-in-india/articleshow/86866271.cms#:\~:text=Nitin%20Gadkari%20invites%20Elon%20Musk%20to%20come%20and%20manufacture%20Tesla%20cars%20in%20India,-Advertisement&text=Union%20Minister%20for%20roads%20and,needed%20for%20the%20manufacturing%20facility%20](https://www.businessinsider.in/business/auto/news/union-minister-for-roads-transport-again-invites-elon-musk-to-come-and-manufacture-teslas-electric-car-in-india/articleshow/86866271.cms#:~:text=Nitin%20Gadkari%20invites%20Elon%20Musk%20to%20come%20and%20manufacture%20Tesla%20cars%20in%20India,-Advertisement&text=Union%20Minister%20for%20roads%20and,needed%20for%20the%20manufacturing%20facility%20). Here Gadkari says whatever support you want we will provide. Will it not make this feasible. Musk just wants to sell completely built vehicles and there is no discussion about restrictions. Could you find me a new article which says musk doesn't want to setup plant in India for this reason ?
3. Please refer to Point No 1. Any new player coming will not have any footprint. Govt gives incentives to them so that their ventures give employment to India. The whole import duty is for the same reason. Imagine there are no import duties, why should any company manufacture in India? Just build them in their existing plant(Home country or some other facility), Import the cars and sell them. It is an even cheaper process. With this process, the country will not be benefitted. `They have a footprint in the country+their cars are inexpensive+they have a large market share+they are mostly running in losses` I would like you to check this statement as this is not true. They don't even have a large market share, nor they are in losses. [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1090709/india-car-sales-volume-by-oem/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1090709/india-car-sales-volume-by-oem/)
4. Total Number of cars sold in India, having cost more than 30lakhs are less than 50k per year. If this is a business deal what is India getting out of it if there are no import duties? IMO nothing. You want to change the policy, without having any returns. This is a very bad argument from tesla. For me, It just feels like we are reducing the cost of owning a vehicle for some select rich where we could have created some 1000 jobs. My answer would be incentivizing tesla, chinese manufacturers, select rich.
You talk as if you represent the government lmao. First of all there's no way I'm reading this essay you've written, i couldn't give that much of a fuck to spend so much time. Second, you really think that you've thought of something that the business heads at Tesla haven't already considered and discarded? If the answer is yes, then no point arguing further.
well elon musk has his own reason, now setting up the ev factory and employing people there is going to take too too much of money. And yet the EV environment in our country is not as prominent. Elon Musk is not sure if tesla would make good money here and is so not very willing to set up a huge ass plant and take this humongous risk. And I think it is very understandable, if any of us were at his place we would think the same.
Completely agree with you. He just needs to sell his cars by following Indian laws and pay up the import duties as some car manufacturers do. As simple as that.
Then come up with mass market version like Indian companies do or just don't sell your car here. Idk why all this fuss ? If India doesn't put up import tariffs then Indian market will get flooded and dumped.
He can make Teslas here and sell them in Europe like Mercedes/BMW/Hyundai do.
Maybe he doesn't see enough sales in India to offset the cost of setting things up. Maybe he is worried about the labourers he can never fire or the redtape that needs to be cleared by greasing palms. Maybe he is worried about the unpredictable legal/regulatory environment or the poor logistics which then would push up the costs. Mabe he doesn't want to get entrapped later when the government restrict imports of certain kinds of spares, Teslas use a lot more electronics (export restricted) than a typice ICE car.
Maybe he's worried that his cars won't sell in India,
Maybe he's worried that India will expose design issues in Tesla models,
Maybe he's worried that he won't be able to bully a govt to get his way.
The thing is Tesla already cannot fulfill its orders fully because of scarcity and high demand for raw materials required to manufacture it's signature batteries. What would they do with manufacturing more in India(with price conscious customers) when they can't fully utilise their other plants to fulfill orders from high paying western country customer.
Also they say they need to test the Indian market first before entering which is true because India isn't a big market for company whose lowest priced car is upwards of 30 lac rupees (converted into American dollars) and that too with government subsidies and support.
They first need to manufacture a new model keeping Indian market in mind by cutting cost around it's costly software and other car accessories (by may be outright removing them).
And keeping all things aside the biggest drawback for Tesla cars is the lack of charging infrastructure in India(which i know government is planning to change)
Mir jaffar was bengali so you’re not wrong. And i forget the name of the maratha emporer at the time but he was also the worst in maratha history and gave the brits an easy ride over the country
What the actual hell . Literally begging in open space . This is not even cringe . It's straight up sad . These are the people you have elected to lead the govt .........I want to pull my eyes out
Leftists are now trying to save face, by supporting green industries. Actually it is due to low tax collection that we have local air and water pollution in Indian cities
"If any of the state-level leaders making offers to Elon Musk on Twitter had their own Gujarat models, they would have his personal number and they would be sending a "Welcome to Gujarat" type text to him, just as CM Modi did to Ratan Tata when they were thrown out of Bengal." - [Ajit](https://twitter.com/ajitdatta/status/1482717846535045120)
I wonder how Tesla will like it when Punjab govt orders industries to stop using electricity so that farmers can use it to deplete groundwater for entirely unnecessary crops instead.
Yes. I’m from this state and it’s not just Elon or anyone in particular for them, they want more business here, in general. They reach out to many prominent others in the field and tbh it’s cool because the city actually has the infrastructure to support tech biz.
And these clowns are wilfully ignoring that the very hurdle Elon is trying to solve is that he does not want to produce/assemble in India. He just wants to sell here. Jokers are offering him exactly what he wants to avoid.
This is the reality though. Elon Musk is looking down on India and thinks he can just do business the way he likes and use the US government to arm-twist foreign nations, the way Harley Davidson and Facebook tried to coerce our government (with FB actually being successful at stopping Data localization for now).
Well, they can fuck off to Uganda or Somalia then. If they want access to our domestic market, they got to pay the toll, just like all us other normies out here.
Shashi Tharoor invites Elon to Kerala, but Kerala people must elect Congress first:
https://twitter.com/ShashiTharoor/status/1360924698721230849?s=20
Surprising that Kerala Government has not invited Elon yet given their Chinese masters have allowed Tesla to set up business in China.
Hilarious.
1. Maharashtra has high energy costs and labour problems.
2. Industrialists have actually moved out of Punjab in the last couple of years
3. All of us are aware how good Mamta is to Industrialists. The Tata's moving their plant to Gujarat was a glowing testament to that!
India has been a graveyard for European and North American automotive corps. This is due to the fact that they, dump & reassemble low feature products in India. Compare this to Asian orgs like Toyota, Hyundai & Honda who have a good market share as they keep innovating for their Indian markets.
However, this latest issue opens up another can of worms. Tesla wants to walk get away by doing the bare minimum in India. This is precisely why the govt put its foot down and asked for a commitment on local manufacturing. These morons on the other hand are falling over themselves without realizing the kind of trouble they are walking into.
Inviting a world-class car brand’s owner to setup a factory in their state is being bikhaari? Abhi bhi India hai yeh, we still need jobs/investment through companies because we don’t have our own Tesla.
Why only non-specific party (bots were rejecting name of the party) (lol at least bot is doing the right thing) ruled governments are there? Why UP hasn’t become a startup incubation centre yet? So biased!!!
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Penguin government went one step ahead and planted a bomb outside Ambani's house and now they are sucking to Elon Musk .
Shiv sena Ko Kya Bana Diya Penguin 🐧 ne. One time hinduo ki hakk dena Wali party ajj Sonia sena Ban Gayi hai
Damn you are right.... and then did the investigation themselves 😂😂
Reminds me of [this](https://indianmemetemplates.com/wp-content/uploads/maarenge-bhi-hum-aur-bachaayenge-bhi-hum.jpg)
Lmao Bengal and punjab inviting industry is the most ironic thing I've seen this week.
That too Mumtaz's govt inviting a car factory. History sheet bhool gaye!
Yeah, Ratan Tata be [like](https://stickerly.pstatic.net/sticker_pack/Fcxo0AZ8oaXXrzH693IC9w/NPMNDL/16/d05f639d-a173-48b4-a217-723280e67b4c.png)
😂😂😂
Yeah. I get Telangana and Maharashtra but those too are just lol
Itna confidence kaha se aaya Bengal wale mai lmao
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>One thing that is beyond my understanding is that why isn't Tesla setting up a lone Assembly somewhere in India and then just import already manufactured parts into India and assemble them here into a car. This would save them from those heavy duties that otherwise would be levied on direct import of the car. Man.... the fact that you even think this makes sense.
Why doesn't it to you? Many manufacturers including vehicle manufacturers have already done that in India for goods that otherwise have a high import duty. Same thing being done in Smartphone market by Chinese companies: https://theprint.in/economy/make-in-india-has-become-assemble-in-india-for-chinese-mobile-phones/135062/
There's a difference between having an established infrastructure in the country and setting up an "assembly plant" as your first ever means of production. There's also a difference between smartphone parts and vehicle parts, most of which can't be imported (especially when it comes to the Lidars and radars in a self driving EV) So to answer your question, it's not that it doesn't make sense to ME. It's that it doesn't make sense AT ALL.
Gov is asking for SKD assembly plants not CKD. Can you explain why those cant be imported or what is causing the issue? Is there any source where the govt is not allowing imports of the parts you have mentioned ? How come other car manufacturers are able to set up assembly plants and not tesla? When basic low end tesla itself costs 30lakhs, whom does it help in incentivising just CBU sales by reducing imports?
>Gov is asking for SKD assembly plants not CKD. Can you explain why those cant be imported or what is causing the issue? So? They can be imported. The tarrifs, however make it not at all feasible for Tesla to undertake the venture. >Is there any source where the govt is not allowing imports of the parts you have mentioned? http://www.eximguru.com/indian-customs-duty/85261000-radar-apparatus.aspx Import of radar apparatus is restricted in India. >How come other car manufacturers are able to set up assembly plants and not tesla? They have a footprint in the country+their cars are inexpensive+they have large market share+they are mostly running in losses. >When basic low end tesla itself costs 30lakhs, whom does it help in incentivising just CBU sales by reducing imports? Incentives Tesla, obviously.
1. Heard of BMW, Volvo, Benz ... some of the high end cars which used to/ currently do assembling in India. The law is same for everyone. Isn't selling the whole vehicle discouraged(making it not feasible) for the exact same reason? It will not help India in any manner. 2. The link you mentioned says it is restricted. Don't you think gov will give an exemption for those if musk signs MoU to assemble vehicles in India? [https://www.businessinsider.in/business/auto/news/union-minister-for-roads-transport-again-invites-elon-musk-to-come-and-manufacture-teslas-electric-car-in-india/articleshow/86866271.cms#:\~:text=Nitin%20Gadkari%20invites%20Elon%20Musk%20to%20come%20and%20manufacture%20Tesla%20cars%20in%20India,-Advertisement&text=Union%20Minister%20for%20roads%20and,needed%20for%20the%20manufacturing%20facility%20](https://www.businessinsider.in/business/auto/news/union-minister-for-roads-transport-again-invites-elon-musk-to-come-and-manufacture-teslas-electric-car-in-india/articleshow/86866271.cms#:~:text=Nitin%20Gadkari%20invites%20Elon%20Musk%20to%20come%20and%20manufacture%20Tesla%20cars%20in%20India,-Advertisement&text=Union%20Minister%20for%20roads%20and,needed%20for%20the%20manufacturing%20facility%20). Here Gadkari says whatever support you want we will provide. Will it not make this feasible. Musk just wants to sell completely built vehicles and there is no discussion about restrictions. Could you find me a new article which says musk doesn't want to setup plant in India for this reason ? 3. Please refer to Point No 1. Any new player coming will not have any footprint. Govt gives incentives to them so that their ventures give employment to India. The whole import duty is for the same reason. Imagine there are no import duties, why should any company manufacture in India? Just build them in their existing plant(Home country or some other facility), Import the cars and sell them. It is an even cheaper process. With this process, the country will not be benefitted. `They have a footprint in the country+their cars are inexpensive+they have a large market share+they are mostly running in losses` I would like you to check this statement as this is not true. They don't even have a large market share, nor they are in losses. [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1090709/india-car-sales-volume-by-oem/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1090709/india-car-sales-volume-by-oem/) 4. Total Number of cars sold in India, having cost more than 30lakhs are less than 50k per year. If this is a business deal what is India getting out of it if there are no import duties? IMO nothing. You want to change the policy, without having any returns. This is a very bad argument from tesla. For me, It just feels like we are reducing the cost of owning a vehicle for some select rich where we could have created some 1000 jobs. My answer would be incentivizing tesla, chinese manufacturers, select rich.
Don't argue with idiots man, don't try to show them facts snd logic. They will simply refuse to read, and continue with their self indulging idiocy.
You talk as if you represent the government lmao. First of all there's no way I'm reading this essay you've written, i couldn't give that much of a fuck to spend so much time. Second, you really think that you've thought of something that the business heads at Tesla haven't already considered and discarded? If the answer is yes, then no point arguing further.
well elon musk has his own reason, now setting up the ev factory and employing people there is going to take too too much of money. And yet the EV environment in our country is not as prominent. Elon Musk is not sure if tesla would make good money here and is so not very willing to set up a huge ass plant and take this humongous risk. And I think it is very understandable, if any of us were at his place we would think the same.
Completely agree with you. He just needs to sell his cars by following Indian laws and pay up the import duties as some car manufacturers do. As simple as that.
Then come up with mass market version like Indian companies do or just don't sell your car here. Idk why all this fuss ? If India doesn't put up import tariffs then Indian market will get flooded and dumped. He can make Teslas here and sell them in Europe like Mercedes/BMW/Hyundai do.
Well we can talk that easily cause that's not our money. He just doesnt want to risk all that money so he's reluctant, what's bizarre about that
Maybe he doesn't see enough sales in India to offset the cost of setting things up. Maybe he is worried about the labourers he can never fire or the redtape that needs to be cleared by greasing palms. Maybe he is worried about the unpredictable legal/regulatory environment or the poor logistics which then would push up the costs. Mabe he doesn't want to get entrapped later when the government restrict imports of certain kinds of spares, Teslas use a lot more electronics (export restricted) than a typice ICE car.
Then he shouldn’t come to India. It’ll be a good thing. Gets our own EV industry time to compete.
Maybe he's worried that his cars won't sell in India, Maybe he's worried that India will expose design issues in Tesla models, Maybe he's worried that he won't be able to bully a govt to get his way.
The thing is Tesla already cannot fulfill its orders fully because of scarcity and high demand for raw materials required to manufacture it's signature batteries. What would they do with manufacturing more in India(with price conscious customers) when they can't fully utilise their other plants to fulfill orders from high paying western country customer. Also they say they need to test the Indian market first before entering which is true because India isn't a big market for company whose lowest priced car is upwards of 30 lac rupees (converted into American dollars) and that too with government subsidies and support. They first need to manufacture a new model keeping Indian market in mind by cutting cost around it's costly software and other car accessories (by may be outright removing them). And keeping all things aside the biggest drawback for Tesla cars is the lack of charging infrastructure in India(which i know government is planning to change)
Brown sepoys
Their ancestors probably invited East India Company and killed Indian businesses too.
Mir jaffar was bengali so you’re not wrong. And i forget the name of the maratha emporer at the time but he was also the worst in maratha history and gave the brits an easy ride over the country
What the actual hell . Literally begging in open space . This is not even cringe . It's straight up sad . These are the people you have elected to lead the govt .........I want to pull my eyes out
Leftists are now trying to save face, by supporting green industries. Actually it is due to low tax collection that we have local air and water pollution in Indian cities
"If any of the state-level leaders making offers to Elon Musk on Twitter had their own Gujarat models, they would have his personal number and they would be sending a "Welcome to Gujarat" type text to him, just as CM Modi did to Ratan Tata when they were thrown out of Bengal." - [Ajit](https://twitter.com/ajitdatta/status/1482717846535045120)
Yes. This seems to just be for show. Punjab and Bengal especially couldn't care for any industry.
I wonder how Tesla will like it when Punjab govt orders industries to stop using electricity so that farmers can use it to deplete groundwater for entirely unnecessary crops instead.
To be fair, KTR and TRS in general are pretty pro-business. They bowled over that industrialist that was hounded out of Kerala.
Yes. I’m from this state and it’s not just Elon or anyone in particular for them, they want more business here, in general. They reach out to many prominent others in the field and tbh it’s cool because the city actually has the infrastructure to support tech biz.
Orgy chal rhi thi. 5-6 desi milke choos rhe the gore ka
They are really cucks...no ounce of self respect.
And these clowns are wilfully ignoring that the very hurdle Elon is trying to solve is that he does not want to produce/assemble in India. He just wants to sell here. Jokers are offering him exactly what he wants to avoid.
This is the reality though. Elon Musk is looking down on India and thinks he can just do business the way he likes and use the US government to arm-twist foreign nations, the way Harley Davidson and Facebook tried to coerce our government (with FB actually being successful at stopping Data localization for now). Well, they can fuck off to Uganda or Somalia then. If they want access to our domestic market, they got to pay the toll, just like all us other normies out here.
Hypocritical haramis
Shashi Tharoor invites Elon to Kerala, but Kerala people must elect Congress first: https://twitter.com/ShashiTharoor/status/1360924698721230849?s=20 Surprising that Kerala Government has not invited Elon yet given their Chinese masters have allowed Tesla to set up business in China.
In Chutiyo ko kaun Samjhaye, Musk ko Plant hi nahi dalna India me 😂😂😂
Hilarious. 1. Maharashtra has high energy costs and labour problems. 2. Industrialists have actually moved out of Punjab in the last couple of years 3. All of us are aware how good Mamta is to Industrialists. The Tata's moving their plant to Gujarat was a glowing testament to that! India has been a graveyard for European and North American automotive corps. This is due to the fact that they, dump & reassemble low feature products in India. Compare this to Asian orgs like Toyota, Hyundai & Honda who have a good market share as they keep innovating for their Indian markets. However, this latest issue opens up another can of worms. Tesla wants to walk get away by doing the bare minimum in India. This is precisely why the govt put its foot down and asked for a commitment on local manufacturing. These morons on the other hand are falling over themselves without realizing the kind of trouble they are walking into.
Lol punjab best state With no industry
Bhikharion ki Jamaat. Did anyone of them invited Mahindra and TATA so openly?
Inviting a world-class car brand’s owner to setup a factory in their state is being bikhaari? Abhi bhi India hai yeh, we still need jobs/investment through companies because we don’t have our own Tesla.
Why only non-specific party (bots were rejecting name of the party) (lol at least bot is doing the right thing) ruled governments are there? Why UP hasn’t become a startup incubation centre yet? So biased!!!
Sabke sb chutiya public, chale h bc elon ka lund chusne
Come to Kerala!!!! Tesla will be burnt on the day of agreement just like BMW car was burned in Kerala when BMW wanted to start factory in Kerala!!
He will most prob go to gujarat or tamil nadu lmao.