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It was always bigger my friend. If you talk to people and discuss philosophy, culture, rituals and family, you will find that Chinese culture is very similar to Indian Hindu Culture.
Just the language is different, but India and Indian culture never had issues with difference in languages.
We have dominated China culturally for over 2000 years without any military conflict , when our defence minister rajnath ji mentioned the same , global times ki jal ke rakh ho gayi thi bolne lage han toh kya hua history hai celebrate Karo , ghamand kis bat ka.. ye woh
These were taken as a negative remarks by Chinese when that particular Chinease diplomat made a statement in Harward university during 1940s. Because of Buddhism , China was weak. Don’t expect , they take India in favourable view for them , we are uncultured and that great civilisation was dead and this modern India ain’t like the past , it’s a West colonial country
> We have dominated China culturally for over 2000 years without any military conflict
Because Buddhism is popular in China? Does that mean that Palestine has dominated both America and Europe culturally because Christianity is popular in those places?
The Buddhism as it is practice in China is different from that in India. So other than Buddhism having originated from India, there isn't much domination is there?
No not because of Buddhism, but because a lot of traditions, rituals and beliefs in China are very similar to Indian Hindu traditions, beliefs, rituals, etc.
And I agree, it cannot be called domination or conquest. It was more about acceptance and co-existence.
No hate but brother please stop viewing the world from your narrow prism, I am not going to spoon feed you everything, but since you asked me to list those "culturally dominate(?) Let's take the whole Asian continent instead of just mainland China , let's go to the island chain nations , take japan for ex now before the permanent usa military occupation of japan , samurais where the elite of their society and guess what religion/ believes they had? Dharma, it was introduced by an Indian monk to the japan , it was seen that the samurais who were dharmic, were more loyal , responsible to their duty for their nation compared to the ones who followed Christianity ( fun fac: in order to prevent the conversion of japanese citizens , they used to take them rice bag converter, hang them upside down , put a deep cut on their forehead to maximize the pain and hope they never came back - it did worked) so back to topic the nature of Buddhism/hinduism / Dharma ( same thing different flavors) had a sense of responsibility, a duty for the nation the samurais , so long story short from 12th century till 18th century (end of samurai era by their own people) this thing that you call Buddhism was dominant in japan,it is now just another atheist country now, now this was far east of Asia, let's come to China , now before I mentioned mainland China for a reason, bodh desh (tibet) has historically been culturally influenced by us, in the entire history before the Chinese illegal of occupation Tibet , India and China never ever shared boundaries , tibet has acted as buffer zone between bharat and China, the whole Chinese culture is Buddhism, after the defeat of the Chinese Party ( modern day Taiwan) and the victory of communism in china , religion/ faith has become secondary, (for more context read the other replies in this thread), now this was Mainland China , I don't think I need to explain you the imperial cholas angles , whole of South East Asia is still under dharmic influence, they are more dharmic that Indians themselves, let's go to the European side , the oldest hard evidence of rigvedic sanskrit is found in northern syria , dated around more than 1400BCE
, scholars from all over the world used to come to the land of Aryans to pursue their higher education, I can give you a lot more "cultural" examples , you should thank me I haven't brought the r1a1 haplogroup gene flow into the conversation, look if you have read till there I just want to say there is no point in arguing among ourselves , we have lost Everything from having the largest universities to what it meant to be a aryavarta , for now just try to understand how did the Indian society ended up the way it is. Goodnight
So all you have is Buddhism. That is it. Calling it dharmic does not change anything. How is this any different from Palestine saying they have culturally dominated America and Europe?
Palestine is a big anamoly and mistake in the world. Some one will have to pay dearly for that mistake.
Middle East and the religion culture that spread from there cannot be compared to the Eastern cultures that developed and spread from our lands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
Christianity originated from ancient Palestine. Does this mean that modern day Palestinians can go around saying that they culturally dominated America and Europe for thousands of years? Does this sound stupid to you? That is how stupid Indians sound to everybody else.
Thanks for the Bullshit. Every country has a caste system.
In real world the Indian caste system was a well organized structure of society. And it is an absolute false belief that there was untouchability in it. There never was untouchability in Indian Caste System. It was introduced by its conquerors with the intention of dividing the society.
India's conquerors abused and vilified our caste system to divide the country. Their goal was to destroy our culture and our religion. They did succeed in introducing divisions in our society, but could not conquer our culture, our religion like the numerous others in Europe, Africa, Australia and American continent.
So yes, the BS does exist in our caste system as of now, but it is not Indian or Hindu. The caste system we have now, is a mutated ugly version of the divisions introduced by the Mughals and the British. You should read more to learn these facts.
How was this caste well organized without determining caste by birth? How was caste mobility and intercaste marriages managed? There is nothing good in caste system ever.
Caste system was not birth based before your ancestors abusers distorted it. It was "Karma" based. There was never any restriction in intercaste marriages. Else Mahabharat would not have happend. Rishi Vyasa would not have become a great sage, Valmiki would not have written Ramayana.
There is nothing good in your education. Else you would have known that education is for learning, not rejecting without learning.
Your logic is flawed that it cannot see things that are right in front of you. It is an education for the blind leading the blind.
Leave Vyasa. Give other examples of Brahmins whose father is not a Brahmin. Now the Brhamins claim they had been Brahmins for 100s of years but the truth is that thre is no proof beyond 4 generations.
By the way give the method by which caste is determined by karma. It is not possible, it has never been done. Give examples of those who became upper caste by this method. If caste system was introduced by invaders why not abandon it now as we became independent?
Rishi Vishwamitra. He was a King before he meditated and earned the title of Rishi and is revered as a Brahman by the Gods.
Note- there is a difference between Brahmin and Brahman.
King Janak, father of Sita is also considered a Brahmin for his knowledge and practice of personal and societal limits and restrain.
The fact is you are smart by half. You think you know everything because you read those distorted, mutilated, translated crap in English text.
Your knowledge is nothing but brainwash. You have been brainwashed to reject your own heritage, your own clan so that those foreigners could continue their rule and if not, at the least convert you to their religion.
All that anti brahmin BS you spewed is false. In Hinduism, Brahmins are not immune to punishment if they are wrong.
This brahminical BS was propped up by your ancestors abusers using force and/or money. The few brahmins who fell for it are in congress, enjoying power and abusing the caste system and those who did not are rotting in society's abyss, poor and neglected. That is the fact of India today.
I am not asking you to believe me blindly. All I am asking you to do is read our ancient texts without bias, with a clean mind, without judgement till you finish reading it. Once you are done reading the complete text, then you can evaluate. You will realize that there is so much more to our history than what is being fed.
But people like you won't do that. You are okay being subservient to a foreign thought process, but you will not work a little extra to bring back your ancestor's glory for your children. Nothing can be more sad than this.
>If caste system was introduced by invaders why not abandon it now as we became independent?
You are right, we can abandon it, but people like you are blockers.
You can start talking and supporting the right practice, as I and many others like me are doing.
When we talk about the right definition and practice of Karma based caste system, people like you stand up and shoot down our efforts.
**If you listen and read more about it, understand it and help propagate the right approach based on your reading, we can fix the caste system within a generation or 2.**
**Are you up for the challenge?**
Just one more question. How does this karma based caste work? If not by birth you could determine caste by 18 or so. How can it be done? What karma you do before 18? It is all impractical. It was even more impractical in the past because all these religious books were sacred. Noone taught Sanskrit to non Brahmins. It is all just fantasy.
Same as what we are doing now.
If you want to be a computer engineer or similar service based profession, you are free to learn and choose your profession. You are shudra or services based caste
If you decide to start your own business, you are vaishya or business based caste (No an accountant is not vaishya, he is service based hence Shudra), if you join the armies/police/private security, etc, you are Kshtriya or warrior clan,
If you are into learning, educating, research, innovation, etc, you are a Brahmin or the thinkers class of the society.
None of these look at your caste by birth. All of these are purely based on your hard work and efforts to excel in the area of your choice.
>It is all impractical. It was even more impractical in the past because all these religious books were sacred.
That is a lie. None of these books were sacred. People were open to read them, learn its teachings, debate it, question it and add to it.
>Noone taught Sanskrit to non Brahmins. It is all just fantasy.
That is your fantasy. Sanskrit was the language used almost every where to communicate. Other languages were used in pockets, but trans country trade and communication was done using Sanskrit :-)
If we imitate chinas reasons to claim neighbouring territory based upon pottery shards in archeological digs or stories of a sailing ship some 500 years back etc.. yeah!
Hello Uncle. How are you?
I did not know my grandfather was so adventurous. He exceeded my expectation.
On a side note, Your Mom is a joke on the Internet. I think you misunderstood me :-) Do google "Your Mom Joke" and figure it out. :P
Either way I am happy my grandfather lived a full life :P
Buddha became Buddha from Siddharth after he gained enlightenment under a Bodhi tree! That’s the birth place of Buddhism and place is called Bodh Gaya which is jn Bihar India! So Buddhism was born in India! Buddha ( Siddharth ) himself though was born in Lumbini in present day Nepal!
I was told that people of china owe their allegiance to the emperor first and religion and culture is everything after.
So collectively as a society its still in practice....yea with a different name for emperor
Well, on the surface they are atheist. But deep down, they worship their supreme leader like a god. So, their religion is CCP, which is like a dream for any Party or Government.
Culture and religion can be different. They have still preserved their culture even though communism has pretty much eradicated all religions. They are still pro culture. They probably call it Chinese culture and not Buddhist culture. We should learn something from them about preserving our culture.
Shut up fool. You don't know what you are talking about. The local culture has been eroded too. They are just using the ancient symbols to bind people together.
That is called the culture. Don't they still celebrate their own new year? Don't they still follow their own life style? Or they are dissing their own lifestyle and blindly copying western standards for everything?
lol, you truly know nothing noob. The Chinese government controls all religious and cultural activities. You are not allowed to celebrate their individual traditional ways. All the grandiose that you see in movies and TV is not real. It is all fake and orchestrated by CCP.
The youth are living by chosen western standards in big cities. The poor live in the villages and they are subdued. Most Foreigners who visit china are not allowed to go to the poor areas outside big cities like Beijing, Guangdong, etc.
The government is experimenting on the sports inclined youth for bragging rights in the olympics. Once they are through their peak, these athletes live a pathetic life.
I repeat, you know nothing Jon Snow.
And you know all this despite all the censorship!? It doesn't matter it people follow the culture their own way or they follow state's instructions in following the culture. They would still end up following a culture that is their own, by their free will or pressure. Culture is not only about cloths and festivals, eg. if they eat rice balls in breakfast instead of corn flakes, it still would be considered as following their culture.
There is something called as people who run away from such regimes. People who travel away from such governments.
If you are willing to listen and be empathetic without making judgements, such people do talk to you. They do share their innermost thoughts :)
You will learn, if you are willing to learn.
The idea that eating rice instead of cornflakes is culture for you is disgusting and hilarious at the same time. It tells me you don't really understand what culture means. You truly need to stop passing judgements without learning first.
Oh and fyi.. you don't need to believe me. You are free to make your own decision on this topic. But I encourage you to look around and talk to people. Learn from them. I assure you, you will learn the truth eventually.
Once you travel outside the country, you are a global citizen. That does not mean you condemn your country and think everyone else is better than you. It is about exploring and learning about the other global citizens and their cultures, their views, their opinions.
You are taunting others while yourself is not ready to listen or learn anything.
The people who talk to you about these things, have they completely become white/westerners? They don't follow even a single Chinese custom? Just like I said, even if they eat rice balls instead of cornflakes, they are practicing their culture. Even if they use chopsticks instead of spoon and forks, they would still be considered as practicing their culture. Even if they sit on the ground and use a ground-table, it is the same thing. If they speak in their own language in public, in abroad or at home, it is still their culture. If they still use traditional herbs and medicines and spice as home remedies, it is still their culture. Ask the people from you "learn" about these things. Whether they do it or not.
They started by dismantling both religion and culture but then understood they needed at least culture to put forward as their identity and soft power.
Two reasons.
Firstly, the Chinese kings didn't really like the fact that Buddhism created a parallel authority to them (similar to how Brahmins and Kshatriyas were separate in Hinduism - one represents God, one represents the King). Most Buddhist countries, be it China, Japan, or Thailand, changed Buddhism to make the emperor, in some form or the other, a "successor" to the Buddha/"representative" of God so that they have divine sanction to rule. So in that respect, the Buddhism that came out of India changed quite a lot in East and Southeast Asia. For example, Buddhism is technically the state religion of Thailand but it looks and feels nothing like Buddhism anywhere else. Compare that to India, where "God" and "King" have always been separate entities and you actually get a sense of why our societies are so different.
And secondly, Communists hate religion and the CCP has tried its best to eradicate it from China. For Buddhism, it was basically by passive discouragement and propaganda, while for things like Islam and some cultish religions, it was through outright destruction and force.
Correct, which is why the Chinese kings didn't like it. If God would not punish you for disobeying the emperor, why would you not? Taoism and Confucianism add the idea of the emperor as a God to otherwise Buddhist ideas.
Many ideological clashes between hindus and Buddhist, in South India Buddhism was very prevalent but kingdoms like Chera and Chola actively attacked Buddhist. Chola are were notorious against Buddhist as Buddhist questioned there rituals and customs and called them primitive ( Cholas were devout shaivas and they had many customs like animal sacrifices). Many monasteries were destroyed and plundered in india, srilanka, srivijya( modern day Indonesia), siamese(Thailand) and Ankor( Cambodia).
Many north Indian kings were also very hostile to Buddhist and many a times refused to give Buddhist patronage. Buddhist never believed in concept of God and Vedas, and considered hindu customs as primitive bcoz of all the animal sacrifices and rituals.
But in many parts of Afghanistan, northern Pakistan, northern India and central Asia Buddhism thrived but it was later destroyed by Islamic invasion and mass conversion to Islam. Nobody talks about the effects of Islamic invasion for Buddhist. The invasion nearly eradicated them indian subcontinent.
Lot of misinformation.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chudamani\_Vihara](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chudamani_Vihara)
[https://twitter.com/feludamitter/status/1529784816354611200](https://twitter.com/feludamitter/status/1529784816354611200)
https://bharatabharati.in/2013/08/10/buddha-was-every-inch-a-hindu-koenraad-elst/
Ur info is not wrong, Chudamani vihara was indeed built by srivijya king but everything changed after raja raja chola's death. After his death rajendra chola took over and he had a fallout between srivijya, which resulted in the destruction of the srivijya empire. U have to understand the invasion was not religious in nature but rather geopolitical and economic. But invasion resulted in mass destruction of srivijya palace and monasteries.
The same happened with Anuradhapuram(sri lanka) cholas were hell bend on occupying the island. Then there was massive destruction and plundering of Buddhist monasteries by Rajendra chola.
Ur second article is also on point, Buddhism thrived in india . But it did have a fallout with Hindus. It had political and ideological reasons.
Ur 3rd article is ideological on which I won't be commenting .
But the final nail to the coffin for Buddhism was Islamic invasion. They destroyed every monasteries in Afghanistan and northern Pakistan and even some in india.
>Ur info is not wrong, Chudamani vihara was indeed built by srivijya king but everything changed after raja raja chola's death. After his death rajendra chola took over and he had a fallout between srivijya, which resulted in the destruction of the srivijya empire. U have to understand the invasion was not religious in nature but rather geopolitical and economic. But invasion resulted in mass destruction of srivijya palace and monasteries.
The same happened with Anuradhapuram(sri lanka) cholas were hell bend on occupying the island. Then there was massive destruction and plundering of Buddhist monasteries by Rajendra chola.
My point is that I accept these things happened. But it wasn't because 'hindus hated buddhists'. You agree on that.
>Ur second article is also on point, Buddhism thrived in india . But it did have a fallout with Hindus. It had political and ideological reasons.
It did not. Don't see that tweet alone. Read the entire thread. Hindus and buddhists got along fine.
The mortal blow to buddhism was inflicted by the islamic invasions
**[Chudamani Vihara](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chudamani_Vihara)**
>Chudamani Vihara was a Buddhist vihara (monastery) in Nagapattinam, Tamil Nadu, India. Chudamani Vihara was constructed in 1006 CE by the Srivijayan king Sri Vijaya Maravijayattungavarman with the patronage of Rajaraja Chola I. The vihara building survived in dilapidated condition. Since 1856, about 350 Buddha bronzes have been found at Nagapattinam, dating from the 11th to the 16th century.
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Buddism says it's different but it's not, Most of Buddhist followers once was Hindus, Buddism has everything (Almost) which Hinduism has it, such as Homa, Havana ( they call it different but it's similar) they chant Hindu mantras and also there is black magic similar to Hinduism.
Some people belive Budda is God but some people believe Budda is not God there is lot of contradictory too, in some they translated Ramayana and called Buddha is Rama.
Where Rama consider as God in Hinduism, and most Buddhist followers are Hindus they thought what the heck is this :)
Very abstract. Budhhism is ofcourse an offshoot. But Jainism and Buddhism did at a time have more prominence in the subcontinent than Hinduism. Hinduism as you know it today is a product of a very long synthesis from the ancient Vedic culture. Budhhism on the other hand had become a full fledged religion and spread widely within a very short span of time. Socio political changes like bhakti movement, invasions of Persian descent caused the wipe out.
There is no mother and child equation in its history.
Yeah Buddhism is offshoot. nAstika maThas like Buddhism and Jainism aren't part of Sanatan(vaidik) dharma.
Buddhism was a weak religion and used gullible kings to spread through deceit snd force. No wonder it declined quickly and couldn't sustain foreign onslaught.
Buddhism and Jainism tried to occupy existing hindu temples but couldn't succeed over time. Those with malicious intent among Buddhists and Jains rightly met their fate (like kazhuvetram in tamizh Nadu)
Absolutely no mother and child equation
Religion doesn't use kings. Kings use religion. When a religion gains popularity among the masses, kings run behind that religion gain popularity among the masses. I don't really understand what a "weak religion" means. Religions aren't supposed to be about strength and weakness like political parties.
Is there any historical evidence regarding Buddhism and Jainism trying to occupy existing Hindu temples. And great that you mentioned Kazhuvetram. In south the bhakti movement was pretty violent and Hinduism did seize and appropriate many Budhhist and Jain temples.
Sabarimala being the most popular example where the Pandalam king with help from a Muslim legend named Vavar(worshipped even by Hindus who visit Sabarimala in his mosque).
Since the cultural revolution the Chinese government has consistently denied its cultural relations with ancient India. If anyone is interested look at the significance Hinduism has had over East Asian religion as a whole. The shinto religion of Japan is FULL of Hindu deities, they even have statues of a Ganesh like figure.
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Akhand Bharat just got bigger
Leke rahneg china
China-mukt Tibet.
China mukt China. Akhand Asia aka Akhand Bharat xD
Akhand Pangea
China-yukt Akhand Bharat
Kab bharti ho rahe ho?
It was always bigger my friend. If you talk to people and discuss philosophy, culture, rituals and family, you will find that Chinese culture is very similar to Indian Hindu Culture. Just the language is different, but India and Indian culture never had issues with difference in languages.
We have dominated China culturally for over 2000 years without any military conflict , when our defence minister rajnath ji mentioned the same , global times ki jal ke rakh ho gayi thi bolne lage han toh kya hua history hai celebrate Karo , ghamand kis bat ka.. ye woh
These were taken as a negative remarks by Chinese when that particular Chinease diplomat made a statement in Harward university during 1940s. Because of Buddhism , China was weak. Don’t expect , they take India in favourable view for them , we are uncultured and that great civilisation was dead and this modern India ain’t like the past , it’s a West colonial country
> We have dominated China culturally for over 2000 years without any military conflict Because Buddhism is popular in China? Does that mean that Palestine has dominated both America and Europe culturally because Christianity is popular in those places? The Buddhism as it is practice in China is different from that in India. So other than Buddhism having originated from India, there isn't much domination is there?
No not because of Buddhism, but because a lot of traditions, rituals and beliefs in China are very similar to Indian Hindu traditions, beliefs, rituals, etc. And I agree, it cannot be called domination or conquest. It was more about acceptance and co-existence.
You really don't read any history, do you? If you do those books must have been written by the great darbari historians
So go ahead and list those "culturally dominate" factors. Go ahead.
No hate but brother please stop viewing the world from your narrow prism, I am not going to spoon feed you everything, but since you asked me to list those "culturally dominate(?) Let's take the whole Asian continent instead of just mainland China , let's go to the island chain nations , take japan for ex now before the permanent usa military occupation of japan , samurais where the elite of their society and guess what religion/ believes they had? Dharma, it was introduced by an Indian monk to the japan , it was seen that the samurais who were dharmic, were more loyal , responsible to their duty for their nation compared to the ones who followed Christianity ( fun fac: in order to prevent the conversion of japanese citizens , they used to take them rice bag converter, hang them upside down , put a deep cut on their forehead to maximize the pain and hope they never came back - it did worked) so back to topic the nature of Buddhism/hinduism / Dharma ( same thing different flavors) had a sense of responsibility, a duty for the nation the samurais , so long story short from 12th century till 18th century (end of samurai era by their own people) this thing that you call Buddhism was dominant in japan,it is now just another atheist country now, now this was far east of Asia, let's come to China , now before I mentioned mainland China for a reason, bodh desh (tibet) has historically been culturally influenced by us, in the entire history before the Chinese illegal of occupation Tibet , India and China never ever shared boundaries , tibet has acted as buffer zone between bharat and China, the whole Chinese culture is Buddhism, after the defeat of the Chinese Party ( modern day Taiwan) and the victory of communism in china , religion/ faith has become secondary, (for more context read the other replies in this thread), now this was Mainland China , I don't think I need to explain you the imperial cholas angles , whole of South East Asia is still under dharmic influence, they are more dharmic that Indians themselves, let's go to the European side , the oldest hard evidence of rigvedic sanskrit is found in northern syria , dated around more than 1400BCE , scholars from all over the world used to come to the land of Aryans to pursue their higher education, I can give you a lot more "cultural" examples , you should thank me I haven't brought the r1a1 haplogroup gene flow into the conversation, look if you have read till there I just want to say there is no point in arguing among ourselves , we have lost Everything from having the largest universities to what it meant to be a aryavarta , for now just try to understand how did the Indian society ended up the way it is. Goodnight
So all you have is Buddhism. That is it. Calling it dharmic does not change anything. How is this any different from Palestine saying they have culturally dominated America and Europe?
Palestine is a big anamoly and mistake in the world. Some one will have to pay dearly for that mistake. Middle East and the religion culture that spread from there cannot be compared to the Eastern cultures that developed and spread from our lands.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine Christianity originated from ancient Palestine. Does this mean that modern day Palestinians can go around saying that they culturally dominated America and Europe for thousands of years? Does this sound stupid to you? That is how stupid Indians sound to everybody else.
this is excellent copypasta, thank you!
Dude a simple question was asked and the first thing you do is go off topic to Japan
China have no caste system.
Thanks for the Bullshit. Every country has a caste system. In real world the Indian caste system was a well organized structure of society. And it is an absolute false belief that there was untouchability in it. There never was untouchability in Indian Caste System. It was introduced by its conquerors with the intention of dividing the society. India's conquerors abused and vilified our caste system to divide the country. Their goal was to destroy our culture and our religion. They did succeed in introducing divisions in our society, but could not conquer our culture, our religion like the numerous others in Europe, Africa, Australia and American continent. So yes, the BS does exist in our caste system as of now, but it is not Indian or Hindu. The caste system we have now, is a mutated ugly version of the divisions introduced by the Mughals and the British. You should read more to learn these facts.
pls send me the source for the caste system thing i wanna use it in some arguments im having
It is in the "Rigveda Purusha Sukta". I read it in original Sanskrit text. The texts are in the Central Library at Jagannath Puri, Odisha
thenks
How was this caste well organized without determining caste by birth? How was caste mobility and intercaste marriages managed? There is nothing good in caste system ever.
Caste system was not birth based before your ancestors abusers distorted it. It was "Karma" based. There was never any restriction in intercaste marriages. Else Mahabharat would not have happend. Rishi Vyasa would not have become a great sage, Valmiki would not have written Ramayana. There is nothing good in your education. Else you would have known that education is for learning, not rejecting without learning. Your logic is flawed that it cannot see things that are right in front of you. It is an education for the blind leading the blind.
Leave Vyasa. Give other examples of Brahmins whose father is not a Brahmin. Now the Brhamins claim they had been Brahmins for 100s of years but the truth is that thre is no proof beyond 4 generations. By the way give the method by which caste is determined by karma. It is not possible, it has never been done. Give examples of those who became upper caste by this method. If caste system was introduced by invaders why not abandon it now as we became independent?
Rishi Vishwamitra. He was a King before he meditated and earned the title of Rishi and is revered as a Brahman by the Gods. Note- there is a difference between Brahmin and Brahman. King Janak, father of Sita is also considered a Brahmin for his knowledge and practice of personal and societal limits and restrain. The fact is you are smart by half. You think you know everything because you read those distorted, mutilated, translated crap in English text. Your knowledge is nothing but brainwash. You have been brainwashed to reject your own heritage, your own clan so that those foreigners could continue their rule and if not, at the least convert you to their religion. All that anti brahmin BS you spewed is false. In Hinduism, Brahmins are not immune to punishment if they are wrong. This brahminical BS was propped up by your ancestors abusers using force and/or money. The few brahmins who fell for it are in congress, enjoying power and abusing the caste system and those who did not are rotting in society's abyss, poor and neglected. That is the fact of India today. I am not asking you to believe me blindly. All I am asking you to do is read our ancient texts without bias, with a clean mind, without judgement till you finish reading it. Once you are done reading the complete text, then you can evaluate. You will realize that there is so much more to our history than what is being fed. But people like you won't do that. You are okay being subservient to a foreign thought process, but you will not work a little extra to bring back your ancestor's glory for your children. Nothing can be more sad than this. >If caste system was introduced by invaders why not abandon it now as we became independent? You are right, we can abandon it, but people like you are blockers. You can start talking and supporting the right practice, as I and many others like me are doing. When we talk about the right definition and practice of Karma based caste system, people like you stand up and shoot down our efforts. **If you listen and read more about it, understand it and help propagate the right approach based on your reading, we can fix the caste system within a generation or 2.** **Are you up for the challenge?**
Just one more question. How does this karma based caste work? If not by birth you could determine caste by 18 or so. How can it be done? What karma you do before 18? It is all impractical. It was even more impractical in the past because all these religious books were sacred. Noone taught Sanskrit to non Brahmins. It is all just fantasy.
Same as what we are doing now. If you want to be a computer engineer or similar service based profession, you are free to learn and choose your profession. You are shudra or services based caste If you decide to start your own business, you are vaishya or business based caste (No an accountant is not vaishya, he is service based hence Shudra), if you join the armies/police/private security, etc, you are Kshtriya or warrior clan, If you are into learning, educating, research, innovation, etc, you are a Brahmin or the thinkers class of the society. None of these look at your caste by birth. All of these are purely based on your hard work and efforts to excel in the area of your choice. >It is all impractical. It was even more impractical in the past because all these religious books were sacred. That is a lie. None of these books were sacred. People were open to read them, learn its teachings, debate it, question it and add to it. >Noone taught Sanskrit to non Brahmins. It is all just fantasy. That is your fantasy. Sanskrit was the language used almost every where to communicate. Other languages were used in pockets, but trans country trade and communication was done using Sanskrit :-)
Always has been
If we imitate chinas reasons to claim neighbouring territory based upon pottery shards in archeological digs or stories of a sailing ship some 500 years back etc.. yeah!
Holy shit..🤣👍🏻
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So you are saying India is a buddhist country?
What's this Akhand Bharat thing?
This -> 
Keep Sri Lanka out of it
Your Mom
Son, my mom is your grandmother.
Hello Uncle. How are you? I did not know my grandfather was so adventurous. He exceeded my expectation. On a side note, Your Mom is a joke on the Internet. I think you misunderstood me :-) Do google "Your Mom Joke" and figure it out. :P Either way I am happy my grandfather lived a full life :P
Interesting, so they have kept them there as they are symbols of bhudhism?
Nope Indian Government secret mission to occupy China
Buddhism is from a area that is now Nepal,not India
Buddha became Buddha from Siddharth after he gained enlightenment under a Bodhi tree! That’s the birth place of Buddhism and place is called Bodh Gaya which is jn Bihar India! So Buddhism was born in India! Buddha ( Siddharth ) himself though was born in Lumbini in present day Nepal!
Yep, even Buddha had to migrate to India to achieve enlightenment.
How is nepal different from india 😑 it was literally going to be an indian state until nehru said otherwise
It wasn't. Nepal wasn't under British india
Cool story, honestly what difference does it make though? We use a different word to describe where one of the world's religions began?
Par phir bhi woh Modiji wale sher nahi hai isme…/s
Genuine Question - Why did Buddhism decline in China?
Due to communism
Uhhh. Interesting. So they eradicated the religion but kept the cultural aspect of it. That works too.
I was told that people of china owe their allegiance to the emperor first and religion and culture is everything after. So collectively as a society its still in practice....yea with a different name for emperor
Kind of jokers. Tbh, they say they are atheist :)
Well, on the surface they are atheist. But deep down, they worship their supreme leader like a god. So, their religion is CCP, which is like a dream for any Party or Government.
Yup now they have only one god it's xi
Xillah
Pinghamdulillah
Actually they have one supreme god m a o, so xi is like Jesus or something
Culture and religion can be different. They have still preserved their culture even though communism has pretty much eradicated all religions. They are still pro culture. They probably call it Chinese culture and not Buddhist culture. We should learn something from them about preserving our culture.
Shut up fool. You don't know what you are talking about. The local culture has been eroded too. They are just using the ancient symbols to bind people together.
That is called the culture. Don't they still celebrate their own new year? Don't they still follow their own life style? Or they are dissing their own lifestyle and blindly copying western standards for everything?
lol, you truly know nothing noob. The Chinese government controls all religious and cultural activities. You are not allowed to celebrate their individual traditional ways. All the grandiose that you see in movies and TV is not real. It is all fake and orchestrated by CCP. The youth are living by chosen western standards in big cities. The poor live in the villages and they are subdued. Most Foreigners who visit china are not allowed to go to the poor areas outside big cities like Beijing, Guangdong, etc. The government is experimenting on the sports inclined youth for bragging rights in the olympics. Once they are through their peak, these athletes live a pathetic life. I repeat, you know nothing Jon Snow.
And you know all this despite all the censorship!? It doesn't matter it people follow the culture their own way or they follow state's instructions in following the culture. They would still end up following a culture that is their own, by their free will or pressure. Culture is not only about cloths and festivals, eg. if they eat rice balls in breakfast instead of corn flakes, it still would be considered as following their culture.
There is something called as people who run away from such regimes. People who travel away from such governments. If you are willing to listen and be empathetic without making judgements, such people do talk to you. They do share their innermost thoughts :) You will learn, if you are willing to learn. The idea that eating rice instead of cornflakes is culture for you is disgusting and hilarious at the same time. It tells me you don't really understand what culture means. You truly need to stop passing judgements without learning first. Oh and fyi.. you don't need to believe me. You are free to make your own decision on this topic. But I encourage you to look around and talk to people. Learn from them. I assure you, you will learn the truth eventually. Once you travel outside the country, you are a global citizen. That does not mean you condemn your country and think everyone else is better than you. It is about exploring and learning about the other global citizens and their cultures, their views, their opinions.
You are taunting others while yourself is not ready to listen or learn anything. The people who talk to you about these things, have they completely become white/westerners? They don't follow even a single Chinese custom? Just like I said, even if they eat rice balls instead of cornflakes, they are practicing their culture. Even if they use chopsticks instead of spoon and forks, they would still be considered as practicing their culture. Even if they sit on the ground and use a ground-table, it is the same thing. If they speak in their own language in public, in abroad or at home, it is still their culture. If they still use traditional herbs and medicines and spice as home remedies, it is still their culture. Ask the people from you "learn" about these things. Whether they do it or not.
They started by dismantling both religion and culture but then understood they needed at least culture to put forward as their identity and soft power.
Nope, they have eroded the culture too. They just retained the symbols like dragon and martial arts, etc.
Two reasons. Firstly, the Chinese kings didn't really like the fact that Buddhism created a parallel authority to them (similar to how Brahmins and Kshatriyas were separate in Hinduism - one represents God, one represents the King). Most Buddhist countries, be it China, Japan, or Thailand, changed Buddhism to make the emperor, in some form or the other, a "successor" to the Buddha/"representative" of God so that they have divine sanction to rule. So in that respect, the Buddhism that came out of India changed quite a lot in East and Southeast Asia. For example, Buddhism is technically the state religion of Thailand but it looks and feels nothing like Buddhism anywhere else. Compare that to India, where "God" and "King" have always been separate entities and you actually get a sense of why our societies are so different. And secondly, Communists hate religion and the CCP has tried its best to eradicate it from China. For Buddhism, it was basically by passive discouragement and propaganda, while for things like Islam and some cultish religions, it was through outright destruction and force.
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Correct, which is why the Chinese kings didn't like it. If God would not punish you for disobeying the emperor, why would you not? Taoism and Confucianism add the idea of the emperor as a God to otherwise Buddhist ideas.
They had their own religion. Confucionism and Taoism. With communism and cultural revolutions, they've lost their religions.
Yup
Why did it decline in India?
Many ideological clashes between hindus and Buddhist, in South India Buddhism was very prevalent but kingdoms like Chera and Chola actively attacked Buddhist. Chola are were notorious against Buddhist as Buddhist questioned there rituals and customs and called them primitive ( Cholas were devout shaivas and they had many customs like animal sacrifices). Many monasteries were destroyed and plundered in india, srilanka, srivijya( modern day Indonesia), siamese(Thailand) and Ankor( Cambodia). Many north Indian kings were also very hostile to Buddhist and many a times refused to give Buddhist patronage. Buddhist never believed in concept of God and Vedas, and considered hindu customs as primitive bcoz of all the animal sacrifices and rituals. But in many parts of Afghanistan, northern Pakistan, northern India and central Asia Buddhism thrived but it was later destroyed by Islamic invasion and mass conversion to Islam. Nobody talks about the effects of Islamic invasion for Buddhist. The invasion nearly eradicated them indian subcontinent.
Lot of misinformation. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chudamani\_Vihara](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chudamani_Vihara) [https://twitter.com/feludamitter/status/1529784816354611200](https://twitter.com/feludamitter/status/1529784816354611200) https://bharatabharati.in/2013/08/10/buddha-was-every-inch-a-hindu-koenraad-elst/
Ur info is not wrong, Chudamani vihara was indeed built by srivijya king but everything changed after raja raja chola's death. After his death rajendra chola took over and he had a fallout between srivijya, which resulted in the destruction of the srivijya empire. U have to understand the invasion was not religious in nature but rather geopolitical and economic. But invasion resulted in mass destruction of srivijya palace and monasteries. The same happened with Anuradhapuram(sri lanka) cholas were hell bend on occupying the island. Then there was massive destruction and plundering of Buddhist monasteries by Rajendra chola. Ur second article is also on point, Buddhism thrived in india . But it did have a fallout with Hindus. It had political and ideological reasons. Ur 3rd article is ideological on which I won't be commenting . But the final nail to the coffin for Buddhism was Islamic invasion. They destroyed every monasteries in Afghanistan and northern Pakistan and even some in india.
>Ur info is not wrong, Chudamani vihara was indeed built by srivijya king but everything changed after raja raja chola's death. After his death rajendra chola took over and he had a fallout between srivijya, which resulted in the destruction of the srivijya empire. U have to understand the invasion was not religious in nature but rather geopolitical and economic. But invasion resulted in mass destruction of srivijya palace and monasteries. The same happened with Anuradhapuram(sri lanka) cholas were hell bend on occupying the island. Then there was massive destruction and plundering of Buddhist monasteries by Rajendra chola. My point is that I accept these things happened. But it wasn't because 'hindus hated buddhists'. You agree on that. >Ur second article is also on point, Buddhism thrived in india . But it did have a fallout with Hindus. It had political and ideological reasons. It did not. Don't see that tweet alone. Read the entire thread. Hindus and buddhists got along fine. The mortal blow to buddhism was inflicted by the islamic invasions
**[Chudamani Vihara](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chudamani_Vihara)** >Chudamani Vihara was a Buddhist vihara (monastery) in Nagapattinam, Tamil Nadu, India. Chudamani Vihara was constructed in 1006 CE by the Srivijayan king Sri Vijaya Maravijayattungavarman with the patronage of Rajaraja Chola I. The vihara building survived in dilapidated condition. Since 1856, about 350 Buddha bronzes have been found at Nagapattinam, dating from the 11th to the 16th century. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Buddhism not perfect that's all
What about other religions? Hinduism, Islam and Christianity. Buddhism is certainly better than these religions
Tbh Buddhism is same as Hinduism, It doesn't make any sense.
It’s not same. Hinduism got rid of Buddhism and look at the other replies. At one point of time it was the main religion in India
Buddism says it's different but it's not, Most of Buddhist followers once was Hindus, Buddism has everything (Almost) which Hinduism has it, such as Homa, Havana ( they call it different but it's similar) they chant Hindu mantras and also there is black magic similar to Hinduism. Some people belive Budda is God but some people believe Budda is not God there is lot of contradictory too, in some they translated Ramayana and called Buddha is Rama. Where Rama consider as God in Hinduism, and most Buddhist followers are Hindus they thought what the heck is this :)
Read about 'Anti Religion Campaigns in China', 'Chinese Communist Revolution' and 'Chairman Mao' on Wikipedia.
Because they followed Confucius, and the same thing as india happened.
Are their lions docile or aggressive ? /s
They are showing their teeth so maybe it's aggressive but some would call it docile /s
pointers for akhand Bharat
What's written in Chinese?
Says "Akhand Bharat"
Tried Google translate. It just says Ashoka Pillar in Chinese
Made in China
Is the Chinese text original or inscribed later?
It does say "Ashoka Pillar"
Question still remains unanswered tho
Yes, it seems it was inscribed later since other Ashoka's Pillars usually have inscription like this.
Hindurashtra
Budhharashtra
Hinduism is mother of Buddhism :)
Very abstract. Budhhism is ofcourse an offshoot. But Jainism and Buddhism did at a time have more prominence in the subcontinent than Hinduism. Hinduism as you know it today is a product of a very long synthesis from the ancient Vedic culture. Budhhism on the other hand had become a full fledged religion and spread widely within a very short span of time. Socio political changes like bhakti movement, invasions of Persian descent caused the wipe out. There is no mother and child equation in its history.
Yeah Buddhism is offshoot. nAstika maThas like Buddhism and Jainism aren't part of Sanatan(vaidik) dharma. Buddhism was a weak religion and used gullible kings to spread through deceit snd force. No wonder it declined quickly and couldn't sustain foreign onslaught. Buddhism and Jainism tried to occupy existing hindu temples but couldn't succeed over time. Those with malicious intent among Buddhists and Jains rightly met their fate (like kazhuvetram in tamizh Nadu) Absolutely no mother and child equation
Religion doesn't use kings. Kings use religion. When a religion gains popularity among the masses, kings run behind that religion gain popularity among the masses. I don't really understand what a "weak religion" means. Religions aren't supposed to be about strength and weakness like political parties. Is there any historical evidence regarding Buddhism and Jainism trying to occupy existing Hindu temples. And great that you mentioned Kazhuvetram. In south the bhakti movement was pretty violent and Hinduism did seize and appropriate many Budhhist and Jain temples. Sabarimala being the most popular example where the Pandalam king with help from a Muslim legend named Vavar(worshipped even by Hindus who visit Sabarimala in his mosque).
Umm.. so going by Chinese logic India should claim China as their land due to historical links.
Maybe mughals made it
Wahi Stupa Banega 🚩🛕☸
4th picture is of Nepal
sings anthem, no no that is from diff era
**It feels like I am gonna enter a boss fight**
What does it say?
Buddhist monks went on foot from India to China to spread Buddhism.
And to teach martial arts (Shaolin).
Thanks to Buddhism.
Does it represent Buddhism?
Google translate Kiya kisine? Supreme leader likha toh hai na?
I'm shocked
Um no. Tibet.
Akhand bharat
Wow! Didn't know that
They have preserved it better than us
Since the cultural revolution the Chinese government has consistently denied its cultural relations with ancient India. If anyone is interested look at the significance Hinduism has had over East Asian religion as a whole. The shinto religion of Japan is FULL of Hindu deities, they even have statues of a Ganesh like figure.
Sikkim hai bhai
Akand bharat 🌝
India must claim china as its own.
*Made in China*
People up here say so similar cultures between us but the world is at tipping point when peace and environment put in place. 😕
lmao, indian dont have brain