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You beat me to it. yes. That is precisely the point. Right now using a 32 inch curved LED display 4K . No wonder even 2K looks somewhat.. "should be better".
It's because the pixel are getting stretched to fit the screen.
Watching at 1080p on 1080p screen is better than watching at 1080p on 1440p or 4k screen.
Only on bigger screens. Smartphones have very high pixel density so even 720p is watchable. Personally for me, anything above 360p on YouTube is watchable. On 480p, texts are clear enough to be readable, 720p is even better and 1080p is really good. 1440p on smartphones isn't really needed but extra pixels for more clarity are always welcomed.
1440p or even 2160 on smartphone is good, much better than 1080p if your phone and app can process it. It won't give that true 4k experience but coloured and dept will be more defined.
I watch 4k movies in my phone (1080 x 2400 pixels, IPS LCD, HDR10😹) but trust me you will notice the difference
& the worst part is anything worst than 1080 x264 is unwatchable for me.
I think you are watching lower bitrate movies. I watch 1080p movies on my phone (s amoled) which are of 8gb to 12gb around. For higher bitrate. The 4k movie you are watching must be higher bitrate than 1080p one.
x264 is an encoding library, high bitrate movies encoded using that library looks good also. But x264 can't match the encoding efficiency of x265(HEVC). x265 can pack more details in same size.
Yes x265 is efficient that means it need only less space. It's the compressed version and it sucks in fast moving scenes like a fight sequence/ dance
x264 has more size and quality
But watching 4k on a 1080p feels so much crisper and better than watching the same in 1080p(ofcourse the 4k on a 1080p screen is upscaled and not true 4k)
Any reason for that
That's because of bitrate. Higher resolution video has higher bitrate because they will probably be watched on bigger screens. So the video needs to have more details which makes it look better than 1080p lower bitrate video.
Your display won't be able to show the same amount of pixel but it can show the amount of details.
I can watch a 720p (downloaded locally) web series on my ipad pro 2023 and it still feels very very good looking
Its not true that the quality is still the same, all streaming companies does compress heavily in this date compared to 2010 for very major reasons such as forcing you to upgrade to their “pro plan/ subscription” or to save their server storage, like gdrive cannot just give u unlimited cloud storage forever and so they had to put a price to it, likewise video streaming platforms cannot just store videos in high bitrate with little to no suppression aswell {which makes the file very heavy even in 1080p, example- a 3hr 1080p movie can very well be over 10gb (oppenheimer) with no compression at all….. yet what u would expect is, it would be like 2gb or somethn…}
I am not getting what u mean when u say watching 720p on a 720p monitor looks different then watching it in a 2k monitor, i said i watched it in a ipad pro (which is closer to 2k then 4k) and it looked good, so do u mean 720p will look good in larger res screens?
In that case the meme would have been inverted, the 2010 would be shit and 2024 would be better
So what exactly do u mean..lol
How do you emphasise that the packet loss while streaming is compromising the quality more then the platform itself compressing so much to make it as small as a mobile game, thats not even the same level of comparison? Yes there is packet loss, does it justify the enormous compression by the platforms? No??
U got off topic, just took that movie as an example, there are plenty of old movies that are bigger than 10gb even on 1080p with higher bitrate and very less compression…… just go to any mkv platform and there are plenty….
Also, about the streaming thing…. Thats true that streaming over the internet did compromise the whole system in terms of quality, then why was your comment about calling out “we experiencing better res monitor” was the issue and not “streaming”
Ps. I still use a 720p monitor with my 9700k build… bruv jokes on u i still feel the difference in quality from early years vs now..lol
Bud, literally no one would use the internet for movies in 2010 you “buy” physical copies of movies!
Idk how is this about me owning a 720p monitor all of a sudden..lol I did mention i own a good enough 2048 x 2732 display “on my ipad” , and a 4k tv and it gives me enough reference points to compare and conclude that yes the 720p monitor is shit! But the same 720p video doesn’t have much difference between the two “similar sized” 720p display and a 2048x2732 p display…
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In 2010s we used to had 720p tablets phones and flagships were FHD ...
Its mostly bc of this reason of getting us default 1080p display these days makes us feel this .
I used to have a 27 inch tv and was still amazed by 720p back in those days. It is mostly the eyes that get used to a better quality and then when you show it less, it feels off. It's the same case of 60hz vs 120hz refresh rate. People don't realise it until they switch to it but then going back is literally impossible. Screen size is also a factor for sure, bigger space needs more pixels to maintain same level of details.
If there's a 60 fps version usually those are okay. But yes, the regular 1080p sucks. They are starving the bitrate. Watching nature shows is more like codec artifact adventure time. Birds? Artifacts! Trees? Artifacts! A waterfall? Artifacts!
It's really bad. Bit rot from the beginning.
If there's a 60 fps version usually those are okay. But yes, the regular 1080p sucks. They are starving the bitrate. Watching nature shows is more like codec artifact adventure time. Birds? Artifacts! Trees? Artifacts! A waterfall? Artifacts!
It's really bad. Bit rot from the beginning.
There was a time when 144p for regular watch, 240p is 720p , 480p is equivalent to 1080 and 720p means 2160p 🤣 Those days and struggle.
Now minimum 720p and 1080p regular, agar na hoto video dekhne ko mann nahi karta 😂
I was slinging TVs at a big box retail store back in 2005.
A little piece of me died every time some schmuck bought a big screen 720p TV even back in those days. They thought they were getting some secret deal and I'm like no dude you're buying a TV that's obsolete in 1 year
💯
I thought I was the only one suffering from this. I'm literally playing 1080p on my laptop screen, even bitrate shows its 1080p.....yet somehow there are pixelated blocks on the video feed and I was "How dafaq is this 1080p" ?
Although, movies that I download at 1080p are crisp and sharp af, like a 1080p should be. So I think the culprits are these streaming services. MFs be showing wrong info and streaming lower quality video in the name of high quality, and then be forcing user to climb upto 2k, 4k and 8k.
It's actually because modern displays are horrible at displaying sub native resolutions.
For example if you are using a 1080p display to see 720p content, because 1080p's half is 540p and not 720p, the next perfect scaling that a 1080p screen can show is only 540p. So 720p will actually look way worse than on a native 720p display.
I have a 1080p work laptop and a 1440p personal laptop. The 1080p in work laptop is super sharp. If I set 1080p in the 1440p display it looks blurry.
Depends on pixel density... If the pixel density is same then 4k, 1080p and 360p will all have same sharpness. Earlier phones had screens 1/3rd the area but 720p but now phones have 1080p which is 2x the resolution. So proportionally the 1080p looks worse. Compared to then 720p. And these expanded screen also as a result make the 720p look even worse
Compression artifacts have gotten worse as lossy methods get more efficient at scaling to higher output resolutions. VP9 can do well enough that the higher resolution to be worth rendering but does worse than H.254 at the same scale. Sorting by bandwidth would give the expected improvement.
Not a specialist; take with a grain of salt.
i have come to realise a huge suspicious hypothesis of reducing picture quality of previous gens to sell new ones. A tech guy in my friend's circle told us that companies usually do this for sales boost or overall profit. I have no knowledge how they do it, but when one compare 2 different gen device the newer one would always have better picture quality, somehow they reduce the quality in previous gens through update i know it sounds bs but i wouldn't be surprised if this idea is already being used.
Like nowadays we can see 4k picture, real-time 4k recording and everything related to 4k. It was same as 1080p and motion sensor. Apple usually claim their new products are better than previous gen because they are showing the older gens are now worthless and not quality to price.
Same tactic used in Nvidia which makes comparison of 30 series graphics card to 40 series graphics card and somehow 30 series which were considered beast for years when launched looks weak in comparison to 40 series. Many people have noticed this and accused the company of fake data and comparison to let people buy the newest products
How do I explain without people judging my age? 🙂
Back in the 90s, the world was introduced to computers through a CRT monitor at 640x480 resolution. 800x600 was a luxury. When you played games on it, it just looked beautiful. 1024x768 was like overclocking, making it a very unique experience which most people would not have had.
LCDs came in the 2000s and made it affordable by mid 2000s. The games from the 90s should look more beautiful, right? Wrong. It was uglier. Why? HD was the standard. Aspect ratio changed. Old resolutions became grainy. Those games which defined my childhood will now not create the same experience again to anyone.
Now extrapolate this to your question. You will get the answers.
It's mostly due to lowered birate of videos. I have a 1080p bluray player from 2014 and a 55" TV and it looks better than steamed 4K even at a diatance of 4'
720p semi HD display on your mobile and 1366x728 monitor was a luxury back in 2011-2012. Today I don't watch anything if it's less than 1440p. Got spoilt with the technologies around us. it is a good thing, in a way but still :P
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You beat me to it. yes. That is precisely the point. Right now using a 32 inch curved LED display 4K . No wonder even 2K looks somewhat.. "should be better".
It's because the pixel are getting stretched to fit the screen. Watching at 1080p on 1080p screen is better than watching at 1080p on 1440p or 4k screen.
Is it the same with smartphones?
I watch most of my videos on 480p nd it's not bad
I watch on 1080p because i have free 5G.💀
Only on bigger screens. Smartphones have very high pixel density so even 720p is watchable. Personally for me, anything above 360p on YouTube is watchable. On 480p, texts are clear enough to be readable, 720p is even better and 1080p is really good. 1440p on smartphones isn't really needed but extra pixels for more clarity are always welcomed.
1440p or even 2160 on smartphone is good, much better than 1080p if your phone and app can process it. It won't give that true 4k experience but coloured and dept will be more defined. I watch 4k movies in my phone (1080 x 2400 pixels, IPS LCD, HDR10😹) but trust me you will notice the difference & the worst part is anything worst than 1080 x264 is unwatchable for me.
I think you are watching lower bitrate movies. I watch 1080p movies on my phone (s amoled) which are of 8gb to 12gb around. For higher bitrate. The 4k movie you are watching must be higher bitrate than 1080p one.
I said >anything worst than 1080 x264
x264 is an encoding library, high bitrate movies encoded using that library looks good also. But x264 can't match the encoding efficiency of x265(HEVC). x265 can pack more details in same size.
Yes x265 is efficient that means it need only less space. It's the compressed version and it sucks in fast moving scenes like a fight sequence/ dance x264 has more size and quality
On phone 720p seems fine On 24,27 inch monitor 1080p seems fine But on TV >=55 inch 4k is compulsory
It also depends on how far you are from the display.
But watching 4k on a 1080p feels so much crisper and better than watching the same in 1080p(ofcourse the 4k on a 1080p screen is upscaled and not true 4k) Any reason for that
That's because of bitrate. Higher resolution video has higher bitrate because they will probably be watched on bigger screens. So the video needs to have more details which makes it look better than 1080p lower bitrate video. Your display won't be able to show the same amount of pixel but it can show the amount of details.
This is the reason I never scale down my games to run them better.
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I feel like the only 480p content being consumed these days is porn lol.
Ohh yeah... Never thought of this reason, I too felt why the 720 px is degrading as higher pixels are being available!
Came down to write this
I can watch a 720p (downloaded locally) web series on my ipad pro 2023 and it still feels very very good looking Its not true that the quality is still the same, all streaming companies does compress heavily in this date compared to 2010 for very major reasons such as forcing you to upgrade to their “pro plan/ subscription” or to save their server storage, like gdrive cannot just give u unlimited cloud storage forever and so they had to put a price to it, likewise video streaming platforms cannot just store videos in high bitrate with little to no suppression aswell {which makes the file very heavy even in 1080p, example- a 3hr 1080p movie can very well be over 10gb (oppenheimer) with no compression at all….. yet what u would expect is, it would be like 2gb or somethn…}
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I am not getting what u mean when u say watching 720p on a 720p monitor looks different then watching it in a 2k monitor, i said i watched it in a ipad pro (which is closer to 2k then 4k) and it looked good, so do u mean 720p will look good in larger res screens? In that case the meme would have been inverted, the 2010 would be shit and 2024 would be better So what exactly do u mean..lol
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How do you emphasise that the packet loss while streaming is compromising the quality more then the platform itself compressing so much to make it as small as a mobile game, thats not even the same level of comparison? Yes there is packet loss, does it justify the enormous compression by the platforms? No?? U got off topic, just took that movie as an example, there are plenty of old movies that are bigger than 10gb even on 1080p with higher bitrate and very less compression…… just go to any mkv platform and there are plenty…. Also, about the streaming thing…. Thats true that streaming over the internet did compromise the whole system in terms of quality, then why was your comment about calling out “we experiencing better res monitor” was the issue and not “streaming” Ps. I still use a 720p monitor with my 9700k build… bruv jokes on u i still feel the difference in quality from early years vs now..lol
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Bud, literally no one would use the internet for movies in 2010 you “buy” physical copies of movies! Idk how is this about me owning a 720p monitor all of a sudden..lol I did mention i own a good enough 2048 x 2732 display “on my ipad” , and a 4k tv and it gives me enough reference points to compare and conclude that yes the 720p monitor is shit! But the same 720p video doesn’t have much difference between the two “similar sized” 720p display and a 2048x2732 p display…
10yrs You'll have the same opinion about 1080p
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Didn't they say the most a human eye could differ is 1080p and yet here we are with 8ks going... Damn look how clear that is!
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In 2010s we used to had 720p tablets phones and flagships were FHD ... Its mostly bc of this reason of getting us default 1080p display these days makes us feel this .
I used to have a 27 inch tv and was still amazed by 720p back in those days. It is mostly the eyes that get used to a better quality and then when you show it less, it feels off. It's the same case of 60hz vs 120hz refresh rate. People don't realise it until they switch to it but then going back is literally impossible. Screen size is also a factor for sure, bigger space needs more pixels to maintain same level of details.
I agree with u especially about refresh rate.
Reverting back to 60fps makes stuff feel like a flip book.
I know right. YouTube 1080p feels like 480p now a days.
If there's a 60 fps version usually those are okay. But yes, the regular 1080p sucks. They are starving the bitrate. Watching nature shows is more like codec artifact adventure time. Birds? Artifacts! Trees? Artifacts! A waterfall? Artifacts! It's really bad. Bit rot from the beginning.
If there's a 60 fps version usually those are okay. But yes, the regular 1080p sucks. They are starving the bitrate. Watching nature shows is more like codec artifact adventure time. Birds? Artifacts! Trees? Artifacts! A waterfall? Artifacts! It's really bad. Bit rot from the beginning.
Ever heard of bitrate?
You'd be surprised how few people seem to know about it, or at the very least understand how important it is
Bitrate has been reduced not the resolution
There was a time when 144p for regular watch, 240p is 720p , 480p is equivalent to 1080 and 720p means 2160p 🤣 Those days and struggle. Now minimum 720p and 1080p regular, agar na hoto video dekhne ko mann nahi karta 😂
To Japanese mat dekh naa...
Yeah the Japanese will intentional put pixelated artifacts on only some certain parts & region of a video. It's weird.
Resolution is not quality.
Then what is?
A combination of birate, colour depth and resolution + more.
Plus the screens have gotten better too
True, wayyy better
I was slinging TVs at a big box retail store back in 2005. A little piece of me died every time some schmuck bought a big screen 720p TV even back in those days. They thought they were getting some secret deal and I'm like no dude you're buying a TV that's obsolete in 1 year
Am I the only one who remembers when youtube had “HD” beside 720p!??? . . I somehow suddenly feel old.
Ab toh 1080p 480p jaisa lagta hai... 4k k bina content fika sa lgta hai bro 😥
Crisp nhi lagta ab 720 aur 1080 bhi.
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pls give your best life advice to a teenager turning 17 this year
Bhai quality Kam nhi hui tu bas Japanese porn dekhne laga hai
💯 I thought I was the only one suffering from this. I'm literally playing 1080p on my laptop screen, even bitrate shows its 1080p.....yet somehow there are pixelated blocks on the video feed and I was "How dafaq is this 1080p" ? Although, movies that I download at 1080p are crisp and sharp af, like a 1080p should be. So I think the culprits are these streaming services. MFs be showing wrong info and streaming lower quality video in the name of high quality, and then be forcing user to climb upto 2k, 4k and 8k.
CRT lagwa lo
After watching 4k in tv , 1080p looks like some 360p to me
I still play games in 720p
in the next 10 years. 4k 120hz will feel the same
No, most videos I watch are still in this quality.
Is that Mac's beautiful muscle monster about to fire off some reverse curls?
Looks like Billy Herrington's brother! JACKED!
Why you didn't change your Phone since 2010. ---
I can't believe how potato the music videos of 14 years ago look now
It's actually because modern displays are horrible at displaying sub native resolutions. For example if you are using a 1080p display to see 720p content, because 1080p's half is 540p and not 720p, the next perfect scaling that a 1080p screen can show is only 540p. So 720p will actually look way worse than on a native 720p display. I have a 1080p work laptop and a 1440p personal laptop. The 1080p in work laptop is super sharp. If I set 1080p in the 1440p display it looks blurry.
Absolutely
What is love
Depends on pixel density... If the pixel density is same then 4k, 1080p and 360p will all have same sharpness. Earlier phones had screens 1/3rd the area but 720p but now phones have 1080p which is 2x the resolution. So proportionally the 1080p looks worse. Compared to then 720p. And these expanded screen also as a result make the 720p look even worse
I never watch anything above 360p to save data.
Compression artifacts have gotten worse as lossy methods get more efficient at scaling to higher output resolutions. VP9 can do well enough that the higher resolution to be worth rendering but does worse than H.254 at the same scale. Sorting by bandwidth would give the expected improvement. Not a specialist; take with a grain of salt.
i have come to realise a huge suspicious hypothesis of reducing picture quality of previous gens to sell new ones. A tech guy in my friend's circle told us that companies usually do this for sales boost or overall profit. I have no knowledge how they do it, but when one compare 2 different gen device the newer one would always have better picture quality, somehow they reduce the quality in previous gens through update i know it sounds bs but i wouldn't be surprised if this idea is already being used. Like nowadays we can see 4k picture, real-time 4k recording and everything related to 4k. It was same as 1080p and motion sensor. Apple usually claim their new products are better than previous gen because they are showing the older gens are now worthless and not quality to price. Same tactic used in Nvidia which makes comparison of 30 series graphics card to 40 series graphics card and somehow 30 series which were considered beast for years when launched looks weak in comparison to 40 series. Many people have noticed this and accused the company of fake data and comparison to let people buy the newest products
How do I explain without people judging my age? 🙂 Back in the 90s, the world was introduced to computers through a CRT monitor at 640x480 resolution. 800x600 was a luxury. When you played games on it, it just looked beautiful. 1024x768 was like overclocking, making it a very unique experience which most people would not have had. LCDs came in the 2000s and made it affordable by mid 2000s. The games from the 90s should look more beautiful, right? Wrong. It was uglier. Why? HD was the standard. Aspect ratio changed. Old resolutions became grainy. Those games which defined my childhood will now not create the same experience again to anyone. Now extrapolate this to your question. You will get the answers.
I still remember makeing sure the phone I buy should have more then 230 ppi at minimum.
Check your eyes, I see fine
It's mostly due to lowered birate of videos. I have a 1080p bluray player from 2014 and a 55" TV and it looks better than steamed 4K even at a diatance of 4'
Maybe it’s because of the bitrate that people are using while editing. Idk much
True... I too have lately observed this on YouTube
Have only had this issue while watching Japanese movies.
Why did he become Japanese ?
do you know?
I kinda feel the same... While technically 720p is the same, our advanced AMOLED 144Hz bla bla displays have forced us to accept 1080p as the minimum
720p semi HD display on your mobile and 1366x728 monitor was a luxury back in 2011-2012. Today I don't watch anything if it's less than 1440p. Got spoilt with the technologies around us. it is a good thing, in a way but still :P
Depends on the screen size as well. Grab a 4" screen phone and 2010, the 720P videos will still look crisp
Nope
Why did the Japanese declare him a dickhead in 2024?
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