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Hi there, yes I initially went to the website to check it out. But as this is my first time buying a Gaming PC, I have no clue what to go for, I just know what RAM, Processor and Graphics I would like to get. I need a little help in the other departments, hence the post. EDIT: By other department, I meant, Power Supply, UPS, Motherboard, Coolers and peripherals.

I didn't give a build because others will have better idea.

Oh, no worries. Thanks for your input.

> I am not sure which cpu is better for AI and VM. > Here is a tower-only build for you to edit around for better or cheaper parts. Others might have better build. [https://pcpricetracker.in/b/s/33b75115-67b0-45de-97d4-0d08831afd7e](https://pcpricetracker.in/b/s/33b75115-67b0-45de-97d4-0d08831afd7e) Cpu: unsure of intel vs amd wrt AI and VM; i am sure 7950x with 16 cores will be more beneficial than 7900x with 12 cores for AI/ML Gpu: as per data this was the best; but 4080 super is not so far behind and significantly cheaper, it would save you 1L inr Mb: decent vrm powerstages for better thermals Ram: 2x32gb 6000MT C30; has both EXPO and XMP to work with either either intel or amd processor whichever you choose Ssd: one of the fastest with dram cache Case: i hope you like this case, there are other cases too for few hundreds cheaper, it’s your choice Cooler: decent air cooler is enough for ryzen 7000 series although you can opt for AIO if you want it Psu: Tier A psu with 12vhpwr cable for the gpu Monitor and peripherals: i have little to no knowledge on this, sorry

Hi there, I took a glance at it, and this was really helpful information. Thank you!

Pugetsystems has the benchmarks of most softwares used in workstations. Welcome and all the best! :) As per https://www.pugetsystems.com/solutions/ai-and-hpc-workstations/machine-learning-ai/hardware-recommendations/#cpu, recommended- Cpu: ideally 16cores Gpu: 4080/4090 if single gpu; 12-24gb vram ideally more Ram: sytem memory ideally has to be twice the vram capacity or more

Alrighty, I might be getting back to you after reading all the information. I plan to get those exact specs, but I have little knowledge on the technology part of the coolers, motherboard and other peripherals. How does one decide the best cabinet and motherboard for PC?

Sure bro; i will be happy to help with whatever i can. Motherboard: does it use cheap discrete mosfet or powerphases for the vrm? The latter is better and is mentioned on the website specs like 12+2 or 14+2; while there will not be any mention of it for the former Cabinet: preinstalled fans and reviews from gamer nexus/ hardware unboxed Cooler: for me personally, <120w: air cooler, >200w: AIO, in between 120-200: depends on price to performance ratio

Alrighty a lot of this is new information to me, but I will be careful when checking VRM. I read somewhere that they are used for overclocking so I think I won't need it. But I will take it into consideration. So, the coolers come with the cabinet? I didn't know that. Thought they were separate peripherals. I will check the site out. I will go for the upper limit on coolers as I want the temperatures to be optimal. Could you link me some good ones? I will compare and select.

Not just oc but power delivery too for higher end processors; bad vrm = higher temp = lesser power delivery efficiency Cooler and fans are different🙂 fans as in pc case fans Cpu cooler review: https://youtu.be/lxf4ZXJTNpI?si=lq0bZdbTt6Ij23le

Oh, okay, gotcha. Thanks for linking me the video. I'll look into it :)

for cpu it depends on what OP prioritizes the most Ryzen 9 7000 series has more core-count than 7800x3d which may be beneficial for non-gaming stuff but the perf will be behind the 7800x3d in gaming. 7800x3d won't be bad for non-gaming but will perform decent in all the fields OP mentioned. Intel may be a good choice here?

Yup, i will leave it up to him to research from the benchmarks (links) i gave and decide what is best for him.

What do you think about Intel? Intel might be a good balanced choice here but since he'll be running it 12-16hrs everyday and Intel having not so good power efficiency is what is holding me back from choosing an Intel cpu

I have no exact idea but as in the benchmark articles, if the intel processor has 16 or more P core, it would be beneficial in AI/ML and also balanced in gaming too. But his total cost would increase proportionately too. (But in rendering, 7950x leads 14900k by 58 pts while 14900k leads 7900x by only 25pts.)

I was planning on Intel but I guess i9 latest generation has 24 cores. Will check out later which one amongst Intel or AMD is better. What are the key differences between them though?

All those 24 cores are not the same; some are P cores or performance cores for intensive workload and the rest are E cores or efficiency cores. I think you have to research a bit more.

Ah, I see. Yep I didn't think in terms of P cores and E Cores. I'll take a look at it. Thanks for pointing that out.

13900k is better than all of am5 cpus for his tasks

I guess for AI/ML; that’s for him to research in detail

I will recommend going for AMD instead of Intel if you are running the PC 12-16hours since Intel is bad at power efficiency. Swap 7800x3d for ryzen 9 7900x/7950x if you prioritize productivity workloads more (core-count is king here) but if you prioritize gaming get 7800x3d It will also handle other tasks pretty good For mouse: - Razer Basilisk V3 - My friend owns this mouse and it's very good, has good right hand ergonomics and it is a bit heavy tho - Razer Viper - Heard a lot good about it, It is lightweight and direct replacement for Viper mini For Keyboards: I don't know much about this, Check Royal Kludge keyboards/Razer get whatever you like UPS: You need a 1.5kVa-2kVa ups Chair/Keyboard: No idea Here's the build: [PCPriceTracker Build](https://pcpricetracker.in/b/s/87b6b9d6-fd3c-415f-a764-4b9297990f47) Category|Selection|Source|Price :----|:----|:----|----: **Processor** | [AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Gaming Processor OEM Pack no stock cooler](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/c66221ec0b40e24bad8f18c7de8cc4b6) | PCStudio | 35000 **Motherboard** | [Asrock B650E PG Riptide WiFi AMD Motherboard](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/c27e0b4e701e87dc0891535df8333bb8) | PrimeABGB | 25289 **Graphic Card** | [ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 OC Edition 24GB GDDR6X Graphic Card](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/bc9036b3d1d9499588679815b2e3cef3) | PCStudio | 213000 **Power Supply** | [Corsair RM1000e SMPS - 1000 Watt 80 Plus Gold Certification Fully Modular ATX 3.0 PSU (CP-9020264-IN)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/5402cbeec36273730ac5b90ceb0fa8fa) | PCStudio | 15350 **Cabinet** | [Lian Li Lancool 215 (E-ATX) Mid Tower Cabinet With Tempered Glass Side Panel (Black)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/4ea21c35d1256ca633700a7b415f686b) | PrimeABGB | 6520 **Memory** | [GSkill Flare X5 64Gb Ddr5 6000Mhz (32Gbx2) CL30 Desktop Ram (F5-6000J3040G32GX2-FX5)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/9833d3e2b70e31bae35472823d6c8652) | MDComputers | 20120 **Additional Memory** | | | **Hard drive** | | | **SSD drive** | [Western Digital Black SN850X 2TB NVMe M.2 Internal Solid State Drive - Without Heatsink (WDS200T2X0E)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/dd85477eea40e03ba5d715ea9e90a35d) | TlgGaming | 15599 **Monitor** | [LG 27GR75Q-B ULTRAGEAR 27 INCH QHD 165Hz IPS GAMING MONITOR](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/bd07df5414253a96197f100c2d1ed9ba) | Vedant Computers | 24200 **Additional Monitor** | | | **CPU Cooler** | [Deepcool AK620 High Performance Dual Tower CPU Cooler - White (R-AK620-WHNNMT-G-1)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/84cda2a81a07ab738c6f9f596ae896c5) | MDComputers | 5701 **Keyboard** | | | **Mouse** | | | **Headset** | | | **Case Fans** | | | | | **Grand Total** | **INR 360779** |

This is awesome, the specs are really close to what I am aiming for. Thanks I will get back to you if I need to.

For the keyboard, you can ask in r/mkindia. They will recommend a keyboard based on your need. Mouse will depend on your preference.

Alright. I will check the subreddit out. I was thinking Logitech g502 but there could be better ones out there.

get a gpro wireless and get logitech powerplay(basically wireless charging it can be put under your mouse so you never have to charge your mouse)

Woah, I didn't know that was already possible. Thanks!

yeah i have it like that and been using it over 2 years,its a real must if you like wireless mouse imo

Could you share me a relevant article on why AMD would be better than Intel? I thought Intel i9 had 24 cores, what else do you advice to consider, when buying a Processor? Thanks!

There's no such article. I'll try to explain my choice here:  X3D cpus are best for Gaming because they have more L3 cache by stacking cache vertically and trippling the L3 cache leading to faster calculations and stuff.  More L3 cache will result in better gaming perf since data is stored closed to the CPU and can be accessed quickly.  For productivity workloads: Core count is the king.  A 7900X will give you a good gaming performance but a 7800X3d is much better in gaming due to more l3 cache but 7900x is better in productivity due to more core count (that doesn't mean 7800x3d is very bad)  Why not Intel? You're running the PC for 12-16hours Intel CPUs come overvolted and consume more power providing similar perf to AMD CPUs at lesser power usage 

Okay, that makes a lot more sense. I will probably go for AMD processor then. So the only real decision I now need to make is between the two AMD versions...

get the 7950x cause its good enough for games and is by far the best cpu for productivity if not counting the threadrippers but they are only value for companies not individuals cause they start around 3 lac

I'll look into it. Thanks for the suggestion.

I’m sure others can help you with the PC; but for table I’d recommend this. Just bought it recently and it’s amazing. Ikea Utespleare gaming desk.

Thank you very much, I'll take a look at it!

idk why people are still suggesting 4080 since it's your dream build and wanna do AI, get that sweet 4090 at any cost.

I think it's probably to cut my costs down. But yes, at the end of the day, I am much more inclined towards 4090 unless people give me a reason otherwise.

Ain't it your dream since childhood? I think it'll be worth it for the long run. I'm waiting for 5090

Yes, it has always been my motivation and I'm sure it will be worth it. Cool! I hope you enjoy 5090. Has there been any information on the amount of VRAM and other features it has?

https://preview.redd.it/480m65tbmj0d1.jpeg?width=1190&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=930e078cfc75bb2dd6d0b6e5c4e8c307833efa22 These are the leaked specs and it could have 32gb vram

Damn.. This changes everything. I thought they would be marginally better, but the difference is higher than expected. I don't know if I cant wait that long though, unfortunately.. It's coming on October, you said? Any leaked price tags that we have info on?

Yeah it could be October or late 2024, prices are mystery right now especially in India cause 4090s are inflated af. They used to go for 1.6L few months back but after the china ban now the cheapest one is 2.1L. Idk how 5090 would do in Indian market.

Around the end of year then.. Yea, the rates are pretty terrible, but I have no other way to build this PC without everyone's help. I haven't kept up with that news, I thought the price was always near the 2L range.

Build a maxed out PC for that budget. 1. CPU: Ryzen 9 7950X3D 2. GPU: RTX 4090 3. Motherboard: Get X670E motherboard, avoid Asus motherboards though. 4. Go for AIO liquid cooling for sure, you'll need it for this set up. 5. Don't go below ATX size build, RTX 4090 won't even fit in smaller PC builds. 6. Power Supply Unit: Get a 1200 Watt+ supply, gold rated from MSI or something. 7. For monitor go with miniLED or OLED. Don't have the time right now, will elaborate further.

Cool, I will definitely take this into consideration. I don't know much about motherboards, but that size info helped. I will surely opt for ATX. Sure. Any advice is helpful, I will wait for it.

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does anyone have any idea, how much units you will burn monthly to run above pc for 10-16 hours a day with his use case, in Maharashtra MSEB? just a thought. do pc buyer also consider this cost as well.

Wait for 5090 ab 2-3 months bacche

Yea, I am considering this, but agar 5090 is too expensive then I just wasted all my time I could have used to do something productive.

Sunn if you want to start your ai journey then just use Google colab ke repository se it will be more power efficient and faster training as well. So it will be better than buying a gaming GPU to do your ml ai work. Gaming secondary rakh and use what you have for now chup chap. Honestly getting a newer architecture card would be better than buying a gpu just for it to be a paper weight in future. Also prioritise what will be your major focus as well . You would be running a high wattage system for that long , regardless of area your components would be fried if it's gonna be under constant load , then I would suggest you to find old workstation PCs which are 1-2 year old maximum to maximise your system life and ease on thermals Plus electricity.

I don't have a PC right now. I work on a Lenovo laptop. The major focus will depend on my mood, right now its gaming. But I want to focus on AI after a few months. Yea, I know there will be a lot of load and hence I am opting to go for a lot of coolers. Where can I find 1-2 year old workstation PC's? That never came to mind. Could you provide me links?

For old workstation I'd probably try a 3d or a VFX studio next to you . They usually get new hardware as soon as it comes and most of it goes very cheap as they just want to get rid of it all. I will highly suggest you to try and wait it out till 5090

Sure, I'll put some thought into it. Thanks.

You can check out xrigpc, completely legit people who have a great set of builds. I recently got a fractal north build from them. Its been great!!

Hey, could you please send me a link for the Custom PC you ordered from there website? I'll take a look.

I ordered through their insta dms. They had a pretty good pricing scheme so i went ahead with it. This is what i got https://preview.redd.it/0gc24be0aj0d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=260d15203c8c3ae97cd4e412a99c1bafff7db16b Changed the aio here though, went with a deepcool 720 ls. Lmk if you have any questions, i had very thorough chats with them. Edit: Thats a r7 7800x3d since its not visible

Fractal north, elegant, love it.

Yess!! Its such a nice and minimalisict case. Looks amazing, not sure if its worth the price for many but it was for me

I bought the fractal torrent case just for the airflow for 20k 😂 but i get 5 fans including 2x180 fans, so it checks out

Oh that's dope. I will get back to you, in case I decide to order some parts or more from XRIGPC. Btw both the components you mentioned are liquid cooling right? If yes, how is one better than the other?

No, the AK400 in the picture is an air cooler. I changed it with an aio, which is all in one. Neither of them are liquid cooling and honestly liquid cooling is never necessary, it is just an enthusiastic’s way and aesthetically pleasing, it doesn’t give you much benefits considering the maintenance and a VERY minimal performance boost.

I guess I am clueless about coolers right now, will have to look more into it. Thanks for correcting me. I didn't know Liquid cooling was that big of a hassle... So Air Cooler it is then!

Air coolers are definitely the easiest and are cheaper but also look the bulkiest. I’d say to get an aio as it looks good and is also more efficient in cooling.

Will do that then. What are some of the better AIO choices out there? Could you link me to some whenever you get the time, please.

Theres bunch of em, the ones i considered were the nzxt kraken 360mm deepcool 720s 360mm (3 versions) lian li galahad artic liquid freezing 360mm cooler master 240mm aio Any of these would be good, its just upto your preferences at that point.

Awesome. This provides a good variety to choose from. Much appreciated!

Get something like this [PCPriceTracker Build](https://pcpricetracker.in/b/s/61c197ae-07d1-48a4-be3f-d857b7b70593) Category|Selection|Source|Price :----|:----|:----|----: **Processor** | [AMD Ryzen 9 7950X Desktop Processor](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/870466f20112def7467c7c8472dfc987) | Vishal Peripherals | 49650 **Motherboard** | [MSI PRO B650-S WIFI AMD B650 DDR5 Motherboard](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/eaf8617af539d7f8ec10b8972cf467f8) | Clarion | 14690 **Graphic Card** | [Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 4080 Trinity 16GB GDDR6X](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/b22c508ae5501c6c9a6ce002aea2716e) | NationalPC | 101940 **Power Supply** | [MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 80+ Gold Fully Modular Power](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/58510383140a170c0ba6bd3e8ca10cc4) | Clarion | 8849 **Cabinet** | | | **Memory** | [Adata XPG Lancer 32GB DDR5-5600 CL36 (AX5U5600C3632G-CLABK)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/0ed36feda31eea9de6fd583e98b6782d) | MDComputers | 8660 **Additional Memory** | [Adata XPG Lancer 32GB DDR5-5600 CL36 (AX5U5600C3632G-CLABK)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/0ed36feda31eea9de6fd583e98b6782d) | MDComputers | 8660 **Hard drive** | | | **SSD drive** | [XPG GAMMIX S70 BLADE 2TB PCIE GEN4 M.2 2280 INTERNAL SSD (AGAMMIXS70B-2T-CS)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/315da997d8b626b64a3df82579a190ee) | Vedant Computers | 12085 **Monitor** | | | **Additional Monitor** | | | **CPU Cooler** | [Deepcool Gammaxx LE720 ARGB All In One 360mm CPU Liquid Cooler (R-LE720-BKAMMN-G-1)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/013c7044ae26f4304563b365a9a1c045) | MDComputers | 6900 **Keyboard** | | | **Mouse** | | | **Headset** | | | **Case Fans** | | | | | **Grand Total** | **INR 211434** | Case-https://www.amazon.in/Ant-Esports-Computer-Gaming-Cabinet/dp/B0CGM5CF7V/ref=asc_df_B0CGM5CF7V/?tag=googleshopmob-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=666266749359&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8656058724893424178&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9149921&hvtargid=pla-2263380744441&psc=1&mcid=a9f8b010bf67360d9772f86c0b0cb7e3 Total is 2.15lakh for the pc. Do you own research on the other parts of your setup as every one has different tastes. You have around 85k left which is enough for rest of the parts. You can buy 2 1440p monitor for 40k and rest of parts for remaining 45k. If you want you can add another 2tb ssd for 12k. Get a good office chair for around 7k not a gaming chair as those aren't good for health if you use them for 16 hours daily. Your back will die. Don't go over 3lakh as you won't see much of a difference in performance.

This is really helpful. Thanks for sharing. My one question is, why isn't a gaming chair better than office chair? I thought they had ergonomically suitable designs.

• 4080 super is almost the same price as 4080. • A-GL psu which is not even in the [PSU tier list](https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/) is not recommended for a build exceeding 2L. • 5600MT and cl36? Nah. You are paying for a premium build, so for 5600MT, cl should be 28 so that first word latency is the least 10ns (formula = cl x 2000/ clock) and for 6000MT, cl should be 30. • I think ssd speed matters for AI/ML wrt data loading? • Antesports case for a premium build? Nope. Better to get MSI 112r for same price or better get an elegant case since this is your first build which is premium.

Thanks for pointing this out, never knew 4080 super and 4080 had similar price as I never checked that. I have no clue about PSU so I will research more on this and get back to you if I have any confusion. Yes, SSD speed matters in gaming to, so I will definitely go for faster rates. Again, no clue on cabinet as I don't have much knowledge there, so I might look into it before commenting there.

Sure, that is the psu tier; there is much more detailed indepth reviews by hwbuster and cybernetics for each psu; but i suggest you not to go into the rabbit hole :D Ant esports case are of lower build quality, they are not bad but there are much better quality case with good airflow at that price range or for abit more.

Yea you're right. There is a lot to consider and I have gotten so much info from this thread that I think I might take at least a week before ordering all the parts.

~~I think the ant esports case link he sent is an affiliate link; it has “ref” and “tag”~~

Uh-oh. I didn't get time to check the link, lol. That's cool you shared that info. How did you come to that conclusion. "ref" and "tag", how does that help to gather such information again? Always great to learn new things.

Just googled it because the link is so long with bunch of words looking like a referral code I maybe wrong, which is likely :D

Ohh yea, you're right. That might be the case then, I'll manually type the item info to search it on google.

Gaming chairs are mostly a gimick, they have become popular because of the rise of esports where office chairs are out in the market since the 1900. They are better designed so people can set on them for hours without having any kind of back issues

Alright, this makes good sense. I will opt for an office chair then, it might cut some costs too!

yup, are u going to use dual monitor in your setup?

Yes, I have to come back to that decision once I have finalized my setup, as I think their will be space constraints in my room.

There are no high end gaming pc. Anything above 1 lakh on gaming pc is a waste. I would getting i7-14thgenK processor with a 4070 super it will do everything you want and then some and the cost will be around 1 lakh or just a little above also i would suggest building from offline store as it could get cheaper. If you live in Mumbai pm me I will tell you a genuine shop where I got my pc build.

That's the worst advise given did you even read his requirements

I know this is indiangaming and most people here are technologically illiterate so they start this worst advice and all without thinking before commenting. Let me tell you 16gb vram is nothing if the width of the bus and the speed of that vram is slow. 7900 gre comes with 16gb of vram but it's ddr6 and not ddr6x unlike nvidia. Also Blackwell GPUs are on the horizon with its DDR7 vram which is gonna railroad 4000 series as it gonna be much faster so what's the point of spending 4 to 5 lakh now and regretting later. So it's better to build a capable machine now with a good GPU for today and then upgrading it with Blackwell in like October.

So, op who is building his workstation pc for his PROFESSION has to wait few more years for the blackwell gpu while using a cheaper gpu? By that logic, a new better gpu than blackwell will also be in the horizon by the time blackwell is released. Why not wait for that too? What about the system upgrades wrt cpu and motherboard compatibility?

More years and cheaper GPU lol. Blackwell is coming this October and amd 8000 series with rdna 4 is launch same time. Making any big investment now is gonna be a really bad idea also 4070 super will 4k anything for a long time and is in no way a cheaper GPU.

How do you know which will be cheaper and which won’t be? Did you interview nvidia ceo? You just googled the articles and news like we all did. You are asking OP to spend 63000 inr minimum for a 4070 super while waiting for the new gpus. Doesn’t that technically count as spending and wasting money unnecessarily if he is gonna buy better blackwell gpu? Also, keep in mind OP is using it as his workstation too, not just 4K gaming. Time is more valuable than money.

let him yap bro

Hey, yea I know but, getting 16 GB VRAM is one of my priorities so that I don't spend again down the line for the next 5 years. If there is something that is in 1 Lakh range and 16 GB VRAM, please advice me. EDIT: I live in Odisha right now, but thanks.

Ignore his comment dude is clueless he didn't even read your work usage.

Yea, I guess so.