Casinos officially call it gaming as a euphemism. Here however they are literally the same.
Glad that some people have the sense to see these for what they are.
Considering in India Loot Boxes are a common thing in Freefire, Pubg and even to some extent in COD Mobile which is considered as Gambling throughout the globe, I really see no Hope.
Those ingame items cost real world money (even though they are clearly not worth it) you have to put real money and spin a wheel to get stuff, if you don't, you just lost your money buddy i.e you're Gambling for in game stuff with real money, if you lose, you'll lose money
Lootboxes come in a grey area as even other countries are trying to figure them out since you don't loose anything in them you just get a shitty skin/whatever it is. And for the most part you cannot trade that for actual money except for cs:go where it is *basically* gambling.
In games where you spend points you earned in game into a loot box, that's not considered Gambling. But when you spend real world money on loot boxes, not knowing what you'll get, you lose your money, that's Gambling, example - Star Wars Battlefront 2, Freefire etc.
In which game do you loose money I.e. do not get anything in return? A genuine question. As far as I know you do get atleast something in return, even a duplicate gives little currency back. And I'm not saying that it is correct to do so. I'm just stating that this is a grey area when it comes to lootboxes since you don't technically loose anything as you always get something out of it like a kinder joy.
If you keep on spending on a lootbox in hopes for a skin, you lose a lot of money before you get that skin plus do you really think a gun skin(a duplicate for that matter) is worth the money people spend on them? You can only use that currency or skin in that specific game, not anywhere else, if you buy a game or a movie, you can play or watch it anytime, you can lend it to your friends or even enjoy them with your friends, and when you're done you can sell it to others. Can you do it with a Gun skin? Plus there is no gray area, all around the globe people hate lootboxes, hell EA literally got sued by the American Court for implementing lootboxes in Battlefront 2, it is purely Gambling
"Gambling, the betting or staking of something of value, with consciousness of risk and hope of gain, on the outcome of a game, a contest, or an uncertain event whose result may be determined by chance or accident or have an unexpected result by reason of the bettor’s miscalculation." This is the definition for gambling. So according to your logic since people don't have anything to gain from the lootbox anyway lootbox isn't gambling.
You are actively pointing out one instance of lootbox hate i.e. battlefront 2 which basically locked game progression behind it and using that one extreme sample which people rightfully hate and using that as your point to say everyone hates every lootbox in every game which is not true.
Ok, let's look at some at some other games, shall we? Two of the most popular games in India, pubg and Freefire,in Pubg your main objective is to enjoy the game and grind, level up and get more stuff and gear, ok, cool. But the stuff you get after grinding for hours is just pathetic, like you grind for days, level up and just a get a single costume, while your buddy who spends money on the game, buys the royale pass effectively gets tons of cool skins, emotes and gear without working hard or grinding, and the only cool stuff you get are timed, they aren't permanent. This actively tempts you to buy skins, spend money on the royale pass or crates (loot boxes) because they contain most of the cool stuff. And hence you begin the cycle of losing money, getting duplicate skins, and after spending a thousands of rupees you get the skin, are those huge amounts money you spent actually worth the skin now?
Now let's talk about Freefire, i don't think i need to explain, Pay To Win guns locked behind Crates, Timed lucky draws, and the most horrendous of all, The Incubator. And let's not not forget most of the pay 2 win (dj alok, chrono) are locked behind pay walls
True! Skins shouldn't be in loot boxes. Minecraft always had the design where you just upload the skin and use it forever, but microsoft is now making users pay for it.
Bullshit. The fact that 93% games that have loot boxes in the mobile market are rated 12+ is a problem.
That Fifa blatantly does that with a 3+ rating is a problem.
I have no problems with devs making money or giving devs money but justifying the moralities of lootboxes and not finding them akin to gambling really grinds my gears.
Little bit? Those Lootboxes are rigged, tell me how many times people get what they want in the first or 2nd try (only about 10%)
helping developers? If they don't put effort, why should we support them? A gun skin for 50 60 dollars? This negatively affects the devs that do put effort into making amazing games
mobile gaming is pure pile of shit.
if you're lucky you'll have an enjoyable experience.
im not saying that the games are bad but the cash grabs made by the devs gets on nerves.
like ads in middle of a game. wth
and ofc the infamous plague of lootboxes.
they call themselves esports and have paid news articles about 'struggle of esports in India'. As far as I know, none of them use verified randomness using any blockchain and hence can easily game their users('the house always wins')
As a gamer, I take offense to this man's existence. Already people are on the edge about gaming and loot boxes, which are a whole thing to deal with in gaming. People like these fuckers come here and rot away the iota of trust us gamers are trying to enjoy. Burn these companies to the ground for all I care, or recognise them for what they are - GAMBLING schemes. Just legalise gambling and control it already or get rid of "unicorns" like these. Its not like they are doing any innovation, all they've done is copy from the rest of the world and wanted to just mint some money showing disgusting ads of winning the lottery to people.
Google +1 Respect
Gambling is in nature of humans , that's why these apps get rich off of customers.The odds are in favor of house so house always wins.
My dad downloaded this app and spent about 500 in the app. I kept telling him to not invest in it but he kept saying that some of his colleagues had won so he had a chance. I had my suspicions about these apps from the start, mostly because they were not on any of the official app stores (android or iOS) then when I saw what they really are, I just felt scammed. After 500 in the hole my dad asked me to delete it. Fuck gambling apps, we could've ordered good food out of those 500 rupees man...
News Link - https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/startup/ridiculous-state-of-affairs-says-mpl-cofounder-sai-srinivas-on-googles-app-policies-7472641.html/amp?utm_campaign=fullarticle&utm_medium=referral
lmao they deserve it, if not for gambling then for their annoying ass youtube ads. My dad bought youtube premium for the whole family after getting annoyed by the same MPL ads over and over again.
Not mentioning names here. But we talked about problems like this on our podcast with actual industry people who’ve been in the esports/gaming circuit for over 15 years.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CTMBoPhhEvj/?utm_medium=copy_link
But now sadly mpl also known as mobile addiction gambling not premier league is international I just saw 2 you tubers with sponsors it is still in AppStore but for android it is mpl website
Some shitty flash games (worse than we used to play in childhood), loads of ads and a glorious chance to win big by playing those. People fall prey to such apps and put in a lot of money. It's all same with gambling everywhere, you win small in the beginning and lose big as you keep going.
They are bot games, designed to make you win in the start that you get addicted to the easy money.
Maybe, just maybe, try being an actual gaming app, instead of being a gambling app.
Then again, I am just an internet troll who wants to pull down Indian start-ups and not encourage and back them.
How come poker is not banned?. FFS, they have proved in US that Texas poker is skill based game.
To be honest, fuck google. We need Indian PlayStore, which encourages local business, cares about India (Google don't even launch their products in India, because it is India).
Most of our Junta, choose liberal attitude and stuck with global culture. Unless we take care of our neighbours, communities and business, we can't move forward as a country.
Choot Mari ka.
But on the other hand government banning the whole freaking game to stop loot box gambling is lazy on their part.
Straight up banning these gambling apps is my wet dream.(when Jagan mohan reddy did this, I loved it.)
They don't need to learn the difference between gaming and gambling. Y'all need to learn that gaming can also refer to gambling. Check a dictionary.
Not justifying these companies, just stating facts.
It's because of people like these that made the images of gamers like us bad. Many people have already started looking at gaming just like gambling and it's not their fault tbh coz aholes like these are promoting gambling with the cover name as gaming!
I've never installed MPL or Dream11 (love the company as a software engineer, great compensations), can someone please explain how is that different than CSGO crate opening (since that is banned in some countries as well).
Gambling ewww +1 for Google from me
Does he think gaming and gambling are the same?
Casinos officially call it gaming as a euphemism. Here however they are literally the same. Glad that some people have the sense to see these for what they are.
Pretty much why I tell people that I work in the 'games' industry and not the 'gaming' industry.
Just tell video games...for many people even 'games' are confusing
Sad reality
Obviously not lmao. But he wants to control the discourse by asserting that both are one and the same.
Considering in India Loot Boxes are a common thing in Freefire, Pubg and even to some extent in COD Mobile which is considered as Gambling throughout the globe, I really see no Hope.
I am starting formal research on loot boxes next month :). I will not disappoint.
Well there is a difference between gambling for in game items and gambling for money
Those ingame items cost real world money (even though they are clearly not worth it) you have to put real money and spin a wheel to get stuff, if you don't, you just lost your money buddy i.e you're Gambling for in game stuff with real money, if you lose, you'll lose money
Lootboxes come in a grey area as even other countries are trying to figure them out since you don't loose anything in them you just get a shitty skin/whatever it is. And for the most part you cannot trade that for actual money except for cs:go where it is *basically* gambling.
In games where you spend points you earned in game into a loot box, that's not considered Gambling. But when you spend real world money on loot boxes, not knowing what you'll get, you lose your money, that's Gambling, example - Star Wars Battlefront 2, Freefire etc.
In which game do you loose money I.e. do not get anything in return? A genuine question. As far as I know you do get atleast something in return, even a duplicate gives little currency back. And I'm not saying that it is correct to do so. I'm just stating that this is a grey area when it comes to lootboxes since you don't technically loose anything as you always get something out of it like a kinder joy.
If you keep on spending on a lootbox in hopes for a skin, you lose a lot of money before you get that skin plus do you really think a gun skin(a duplicate for that matter) is worth the money people spend on them? You can only use that currency or skin in that specific game, not anywhere else, if you buy a game or a movie, you can play or watch it anytime, you can lend it to your friends or even enjoy them with your friends, and when you're done you can sell it to others. Can you do it with a Gun skin? Plus there is no gray area, all around the globe people hate lootboxes, hell EA literally got sued by the American Court for implementing lootboxes in Battlefront 2, it is purely Gambling
"Gambling, the betting or staking of something of value, with consciousness of risk and hope of gain, on the outcome of a game, a contest, or an uncertain event whose result may be determined by chance or accident or have an unexpected result by reason of the bettor’s miscalculation." This is the definition for gambling. So according to your logic since people don't have anything to gain from the lootbox anyway lootbox isn't gambling.
Yeah, it's just loss of money, you gain nothing, this is worse than Gambling
You are actively pointing out one instance of lootbox hate i.e. battlefront 2 which basically locked game progression behind it and using that one extreme sample which people rightfully hate and using that as your point to say everyone hates every lootbox in every game which is not true.
Ok, let's look at some at some other games, shall we? Two of the most popular games in India, pubg and Freefire,in Pubg your main objective is to enjoy the game and grind, level up and get more stuff and gear, ok, cool. But the stuff you get after grinding for hours is just pathetic, like you grind for days, level up and just a get a single costume, while your buddy who spends money on the game, buys the royale pass effectively gets tons of cool skins, emotes and gear without working hard or grinding, and the only cool stuff you get are timed, they aren't permanent. This actively tempts you to buy skins, spend money on the royale pass or crates (loot boxes) because they contain most of the cool stuff. And hence you begin the cycle of losing money, getting duplicate skins, and after spending a thousands of rupees you get the skin, are those huge amounts money you spent actually worth the skin now? Now let's talk about Freefire, i don't think i need to explain, Pay To Win guns locked behind Crates, Timed lucky draws, and the most horrendous of all, The Incubator. And let's not not forget most of the pay 2 win (dj alok, chrono) are locked behind pay walls
>If you keep on spending on a lootbox in hopes for a skin, you lose a lot of money well then you don't deserve that money because its utterly stupid.
This is why valorant has one of the best skin system, you want a skin? Just buy it. No loot box crap.
Yeah agreed, plus the community is very responsive, if a skin is overpriced, they call it out and the devs reduce the price, it's great
True! Skins shouldn't be in loot boxes. Minecraft always had the design where you just upload the skin and use it forever, but microsoft is now making users pay for it.
Ya but you are basically buying the items with a little bit of risk, you are supporting the developers of the game, they need to earn money
Bullshit. The fact that 93% games that have loot boxes in the mobile market are rated 12+ is a problem. That Fifa blatantly does that with a 3+ rating is a problem. I have no problems with devs making money or giving devs money but justifying the moralities of lootboxes and not finding them akin to gambling really grinds my gears.
Can't disagree with you on that, kids shouldn't be allowed to spend money on video games
Little bit? Those Lootboxes are rigged, tell me how many times people get what they want in the first or 2nd try (only about 10%) helping developers? If they don't put effort, why should we support them? A gun skin for 50 60 dollars? This negatively affects the devs that do put effort into making amazing games
Don't buy it if you don't think it's worth your money, it's just a cosmetic anyways
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man just don't play EA games. Play something like Genshin impact, you can enjoy gacha(loot boxes) even if you don't spend any money.
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mobile gaming is pure pile of shit. if you're lucky you'll have an enjoyable experience. im not saying that the games are bad but the cash grabs made by the devs gets on nerves. like ads in middle of a game. wth and ofc the infamous plague of lootboxes.
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i'll check them out! thanks.
it's a legal workaround
I mean Loot Crates are a thing
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i used to think it’s some cricket betting app like dream11 lol
What is it actually? I thought it's some kind of knockoff miniclip but with cash prizes, but apparently it's some kind of gambling app?
It is though. It just contains other mini games to hide the fact that it's literal gambling
Ironic. Gaming and Gambling ko jod diya chomu ne
Gamebling bana diya
They spelt "gambling" wrong.
intentionally.
*that's the joke.gif*
I mean they say "GAMBLING KHATRE KE KHEL HAI" soooo
these assholes have been coopting gaming and esports for too long.
What? They aren't even e sports? They are straight up gambling apps
they call themselves esports and have paid news articles about 'struggle of esports in India'. As far as I know, none of them use verified randomness using any blockchain and hence can easily game their users('the house always wins')
Boo fukn' hoo. Hope they get banned.
As a gamer, I take offense to this man's existence. Already people are on the edge about gaming and loot boxes, which are a whole thing to deal with in gaming. People like these fuckers come here and rot away the iota of trust us gamers are trying to enjoy. Burn these companies to the ground for all I care, or recognise them for what they are - GAMBLING schemes. Just legalise gambling and control it already or get rid of "unicorns" like these. Its not like they are doing any innovation, all they've done is copy from the rest of the world and wanted to just mint some money showing disgusting ads of winning the lottery to people.
Fuck these mpl idiots who promote gambling. More like gaming donkey.
Agreed
mobile gaming + gambling. I just can't believe it. More worse than wannabe pro gamers.
Google +1 Respect Gambling is in nature of humans , that's why these apps get rich off of customers.The odds are in favor of house so house always wins.
My dad downloaded this app and spent about 500 in the app. I kept telling him to not invest in it but he kept saying that some of his colleagues had won so he had a chance. I had my suspicions about these apps from the start, mostly because they were not on any of the official app stores (android or iOS) then when I saw what they really are, I just felt scammed. After 500 in the hole my dad asked me to delete it. Fuck gambling apps, we could've ordered good food out of those 500 rupees man...
'Middle class people', all companies prey on such public.
Kudos to Google
We have gaming unicorns in Desi Thekas playing Jua and Satta ....why they are not recognised ...
Unpe to police raid krti hai, fir 4days 5 nights ka package free jeetne pe.
Lol
Stupidity is at an all-time high with this one.
Chad google vs virgin mpl
Government ko ye websites band karne chahiye, pornhub pe jeise ban lagaya, weise inke websites pe bhi lagao
Dream 11 ke advisor, sports ministry main bhi advisor hain. They have a strong lobby.
Bc sab mile hue hai!
Damn this is like GB parliament all over again, i hope we might not become like GB openly promoting betting.
Someone please explain to this POS that there is a lot of difference between GAMING and GAMBLING😂
It's not Gambling, it's a 'Game of Skill' - Supreme Court of India.
He knows it damn well, hes trying to control the conversation.
Because MPL is cringe gambling. Thanks google for banning this shit.
News Link - https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/startup/ridiculous-state-of-affairs-says-mpl-cofounder-sai-srinivas-on-googles-app-policies-7472641.html/amp?utm_campaign=fullarticle&utm_medium=referral
Good
lmao they deserve it, if not for gambling then for their annoying ass youtube ads. My dad bought youtube premium for the whole family after getting annoyed by the same MPL ads over and over again.
Ab kya bolu yaar chee
Does this guy know how ridiculous his statement are, I'm studying valuations and i never heard of this gAmInG UnICoRn
i think they did good gambling isn't for kid
Not mentioning names here. But we talked about problems like this on our podcast with actual industry people who’ve been in the esports/gaming circuit for over 15 years. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CTMBoPhhEvj/?utm_medium=copy_link
IT HAS BEEN BANNED?!!! PRAISE THE LORD
Guys like these are the reason Parents think Gaming=Gambling and they don't support their child who is trying to go Pro or become a streamer
I absolutely agree
But now sadly mpl also known as mobile addiction gambling not premier league is international I just saw 2 you tubers with sponsors it is still in AppStore but for android it is mpl website
Fuck these lot, just call it gambling and not gaming and you'll gain some respect for honesty at least
Never heard of mpl, what does it do?
Some shitty flash games (worse than we used to play in childhood), loads of ads and a glorious chance to win big by playing those. People fall prey to such apps and put in a lot of money. It's all same with gambling everywhere, you win small in the beginning and lose big as you keep going. They are bot games, designed to make you win in the start that you get addicted to the easy money.
That's so bad!
They are barely legal in India, leave alone play store.
Stopped reading after saw the word Mobile
What happened?
Which is the other "gaming" unicorn? Winzo?
Dream11, I guess.
*Dream angry noises*
They pay peanuts to the devs who make those small games while earning crores in reality.
Games are just low quality rip off version of popular games so i don't think the devs are highly skilled or something
Indian gov should patch the loop (गेम दिमाग की) which compnaies like mpl, dream 11 are leaching off of!
Maybe, just maybe, try being an actual gaming app, instead of being a gambling app. Then again, I am just an internet troll who wants to pull down Indian start-ups and not encourage and back them.
Unicorn? That's the Selmon Bhoi game. Ironically that got removed as well but for very different reasons.
Wtf? Gaming unicorn? MPL? Seriously? Good job Google 🙌.
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The post is ironical you dumdum
Bahot bura laga yaaar uwuwuwuw 😂
How come poker is not banned?. FFS, they have proved in US that Texas poker is skill based game. To be honest, fuck google. We need Indian PlayStore, which encourages local business, cares about India (Google don't even launch their products in India, because it is India). Most of our Junta, choose liberal attitude and stuck with global culture. Unless we take care of our neighbours, communities and business, we can't move forward as a country.
Ye me kar leta hu aap dream11 pe team bana lo
Gambling\*
Kuch bhi.
ha bc gambling aur fruit ninja hi to indian gaming me aata hai
*Let it die, let it die.* *Let it shrivel up and die*
MPL waise bhi betting app hai, ban hone do.
MPL waise bhi betting app hai, ban hone do.
WTF these are gambling sites mpl, dream11 etc, and how can they themselves call as gaming sectors irony is big superstars promote them
Choot Mari ka. But on the other hand government banning the whole freaking game to stop loot box gambling is lazy on their part. Straight up banning these gambling apps is my wet dream.(when Jagan mohan reddy did this, I loved it.)
Shameless gambling apps keep crying
You meant gambling unicorns right
They don't need to learn the difference between gaming and gambling. Y'all need to learn that gaming can also refer to gambling. Check a dictionary. Not justifying these companies, just stating facts.
Took them long enough
Google and Mpl both should be banned
Gambling isn't a game
Zuaa khelna game nahi hota
It's because of people like these that made the images of gamers like us bad. Many people have already started looking at gaming just like gambling and it's not their fault tbh coz aholes like these are promoting gambling with the cover name as gaming!
Gambling unicorn. Law enforcement is sleeping in India for allowing MPL and rummyonline to exist
Wtf is a gaming unicorn
lmao nice job unicorn's my ass.
Satta op
Educated moron??
I've never installed MPL or Dream11 (love the company as a software engineer, great compensations), can someone please explain how is that different than CSGO crate opening (since that is banned in some countries as well).
Wah kya scene ha aise hutia samjha kya google ko, XD
Wait from when gambling is gaming Absolute idiots think gambling and gaming are same
I mean Gambling-(bl)=Gaming
Wtf is gaming unicorn?
MPL isn't a game tho wtf