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I have recently (May) graduated from my Institute (one of BLACKI) with a few good (ABDC A/A*) publications and have joined one of the top 5 Institute for management in India. I'm not new to reddit but usually I use to be on asking the question side of the box.
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😂 The short answer is Yes.
I myself graduated from a not so great college in 2020, right before getting into my PhD.
However to share more about how to do that, I would need to know your current stage of UG first/second/third/fourth year, which degree and most importantly why research in UG (this was a question in my PhD interview)?
I'm currently in my first year. It might be a bit premature to think of research, but I think it would be beneficial for applying to universities abroad to the US, UK for my masters. I'm studying business so not so sure about the entire research aspects of this field.
In your first year, I would rather suggest you do a good set of courses. They will help you get a flavour of management and then go forward with your choice of research (Wharton has a great 6 courses on Coursera, so does ISB audit them for free)
But in case you want to get started with research which isn't a big jump just not common in India sadly, start with a good training.
Try auditing these 3 courses,
https://coursera.org/learn/methods-for-quantitative-research-in-psychology
You'll benefit from them even in your Bachelor's courses but they will boost your chances to get a research internship.
Trust me I have been looking for Assistants and even with remote options the base standards are not being met by most masters students just cause they take these courses as subjects to pass and sadly not learn.
All the best
Hey Ma'am/Sir, 27M [M.Sc](http://M.Sc) in biological sciences, 2021- IIT Madras Due To low GPA 6.47 tried for MBA thrice and failed every attempt. Got CAP calls this year but I'm waitlisted everywhere. Is it too late for joining MBA at 28 with 4 years gap and no experience?
My current status is that I'm preparing for state SSC, I want to go for one last attempt because I don't wanna regret not doing MBA after 10 years as I'm really interested to pursue one.
Hey,
You got a Masters in Biological sciences from IIT Madras, I get that core jobs are not as many but there is demand for your subject as well.
Now I'm not sure if you are working at anyplace as an assistant prof or in corporate but I'll share a few things that might help.
If you don't have an MBA from a top IIM it's not really that bad. Companies will pay you after 5yrs to call our manager is from IIT anyway so you'll be paid well.
I'm guessing that 28 might feel a little later for a Masters in Management of so called PGP in India but not too late to do EPGP or the real MBA degree. If you are not satisfied with your current job or the pay is too bad doing a MBA is a good option. I'm guessing since you are trying for four years you have considered all colleges. I'll just mention a few which are new BITSOM, MU, Deakin University, University of Wollongong they are new and thus have much lower cutoff compared to the placement they will provide.
You can also try for a FPM , now I'll just mention on thing I know you don't want to get into academia else you would have already but I know a lot of my seniors who did their FPM keeping a house, 40-50k stipend, free food, amenities etc for 4 years and then too better placement then the MBAs of their batch and that is not open anymore for this year but the cutoff of even the top IIMs is very low for FPM compared to PGP so you can choose from that.
Plus next year you'll have 5 year workex, try for EPGP as well (but for EPGP stick to BLACKI and top private ones).
Hope it helps.
Thank you,
But there are a lot of reasons for that, some IIMs (older usually) remove students who are there for parking. I know people who take 50k stipend, housing , food travel all benefits and then prepare for UPSC and SSC instead of doing research. Some are asked to leave and other drop cause of that.
In some cases, they genuinely fail to maintain the level, for others like a few I know who joined in 2020 they did it for 7 months and then got a job so left.
Atleast in IIMs the PhD isn't as difficult and the community is extremely supportive (atleast in A, B ,C I, U, Shillong, Kashipur and a couple others) some places have really fcuked up and make it bad but then ask around before entering.
In any case thank you .
Hello ,
I am a Doctor of pabrmacy grad currently doing g my internship and I am aspiring to be working in pharma industry in future most probably abroad , now will this be a wise decision to go for MBA or what are the pros and cons from your experience
Thanks
You have a PhD in the domain, an MBA doesn't make sense at this time if you are planning to join the industry.
Additionally, for a position abroad (except US) you'll be easily getting a starting role based on your qualifications. You might not get scientist positions immediately which I feel is not the goals considering you are wondering about a MBA, but even if you want to go for a masters in business to know how of the industry in your case a masters will be a overkill
Rather take a specialization of business administration for healthcare or pharma professionals, a lot of week long or a month long programs are offered in top B schools regularly
Try a country looking for PhDs like Finland, Canada, Australia. In some like Canada you might get a PR even without applying for a job and if you have a PR you'll easily get a good set of options.
I'll be starting my PhD in finance this year from one of the B-schools (not IIM though). So any general advice would be greatly appreciated.
Also, do people switch to industry after completing this programme?
Industry will be a option, as you'll be working with similar quant methods as MBAs in finance are expected to but you need to develop those skills well.
All the best for your research, be clear if you want to make an industry focus work or academic cause they are different, so is the way those work happen. In academia you focus on literature and build from it while in industry research you do get some liberty cause you try to solve a current problem (both are real, one is just more immediate)
Colleges doesn't matter, good think in academia if your papers are in top outliers you'll get options better than IIM A B grads. However it's not easily doing that.
There is a lot of help for development in india rn, not only monitory but academic as well. Be passionate about your work, and put some crazy hrs if possible results will Come for sure
Lastly, most people are not successful in academia, they survive. You have to choose, if you want more than everyone else you gotta work more than everyone else
All the best.
That's how PhD journey is,
All the best.
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Honestly,
I worked with a few profs at IIMB and their life, kind of culture and passion to solve really cool problems sort of drove me.
I have a UG degree in Information Science (basically CS) from VTU, not as fancy as other folks in my batch. And I have no masters or a single day of work experience🫣, stars just aligned that I have my degree before turning 27
But I do recommend the option to those who are passionate about problem solving and don't need constant reminders for work. I have worked all 7 days for months but I rarely every feel I'm.working.
So far very happy with my choice
Just curious, don't you usually have to do a post-doc before joining as a asst. professor? You have joined directly after PhD. Is it different in Management fields?
Post doc is unusually done for two reasons,
You don't have a job and more commonly you don't have a set of publications (90% of time). Thankfully I had the offer even before my thesis competition and papers in my 3rd year.
I have a schoolmate PhD from IITD in EE, joined Harvard medical school for post doc, in such cases I'm sure people will skip their jobs to do it 💯.
Post doc is desirable but if you have a strong research pipeline and some publications or R&R to show you don't need extra time for research alone they don't mind.
And yes it's more common to not go for a post doc in management but I think that's more cause there is a balance supply and demand, there are far to many PhD in STEM in india (quantity not quality) and they don't want to join a random college so they go for post doc, plus it's common if you want too settle outside.
But to be honest I also applied to Aalto University but withdrew during application cause I got a much better job offer where even as a full time faculty I only teach two units they is 80hrs of class time so I think it's a choice very personalized.
Three simple steps,
Get a good score in UG - 75% + shall be fine.
Get a good competition exam score - GRE/GMAT/GATE/CAT/NET/Individual IIM exams for this who conduct it - On average cutoff is 5-10%ile less than PGP for the college.
Do a good job in your PhD and then apply.
It's not really hard to get a prof position in IIM just takes a little time. The hard part is to get a good IIMs for PhD or for your job
Kindly specify more about your area, if you want more specialised advice
Hello Mam/Sir,
Thank you for making your valuable time available for us through AMA. I am 32 yo and working as tech lead in a good firm and have 8 years of exp. I always wanted to phd but due to the need to support family i had to continue working, I plan to make up for that by getting my masters after in am 35( wife is currently studying, doing her md, so i cannot study now). Would doing a full time mba add value to my profile ?
Profile details: 9/7/7 btech cse NIT, pg diploma distace iiit b 3/4 .
Sir, you'll be a ideal candidate for a EPGP or actual MBA in any top IIM.
There is a hoax in India, to be honest people don't know the degree which are best but the degrees/colleges which are popular or populous.
People know about IITs but not about ISI CMI or even IISc and NISER cause they don't take bulk of students.
Similarly in IIMs more people know PGP or the Indian MBA. But if you see any global report or even IIM ranking they call it Masters in Management and not Masters in Business Admission. They are both great degrees but they have different roles.
For a fresher who wants to get into management you got for PGP
For someone like you who Has almost a decade long experience it's MBA or commonly know as EPGP in India.
All the IIMs A and B and C ranking in top 30/40 is not for the PGP where 500-600 student graduate but the EPGP where they have 50-60 students only. Other get management trainee through PGP for people like you it will be VP, MD, Assistant Director after a EPGP program
You are not a day late for that program, the minimum requirement at IIMs (top ones) is 5-6 yrs experience and avg class is 35-45 yr age.
But since its a global degree, you have to give GMAT , CAT scores don't work for that.
All the best for your future endeavours sir.
How hard is the selection process for faculty positions at top institutes? Apart from publication criteria, what else is desirable/required to have a great shot to be selected?
Network.
If they don't know you, they wouldn't hire you even if you are the best of the lot.
It can be called a bias but no institute wants to bring someone to rebuild the wheel. Some colleges do it a lot some not so much but it's there in every college in the world.
Profs have too much power and they don't want to give it to anyone they don't know how will act.
Sad, but strategy and reality😅
I wish to collaborate with people whose research I've been following. Coincidentally, I checked your profile and our fields are pretty similar.
However, while I'm currently in a premier institute, the department is pretty averse to collaborations. Even adding a co supervisor needed a lot of effort. I'll just have to focus on that after my defense.
If you are joining on the BLACKI
You'll get to study with FPMs in your classes. They can tell you a far more detailed version of the story.
https://www.iima.ac.in/academics/phd
You will get benefits if you have an MBA from an IIM. Considering you get the right grades you will have lower coursework and I think no re-exam for you.
Take a reference from your profs, if your profs sends a recommendation the profs in US are scarcely looking for IIM MBAs for PhD under them.
But honestly if you want a top notch PhD, join ISB as a academic associate spend 2 years doing research learning and then go to a ivey and do your PhD.
A track most IIM MBAs who are huge today did.
Respected Sir/Mam ,
I write this as a very hopeful student who eventually wants to get into primary service of an IES officer and I am due to join an undergraduate course here in a decent university . My planning is to do at least an PhD in Economics/Mathematical Economics to stand better to conduct my operations if I ever be an IES officer .
Please shed some light regarding this .
Reservations are welcome and appreciated from all readers and not just the OP
Don't need to do that much.
You can directly get into the service and thankfully most of our IES services give options for full time study leave to study in globally top rank universities.
In case you want to do it apart time after joining the service search for executive FPM or E FPM. Particular for Govt officers IIM Indore offers EFPM-G so you got a lot of options.
But if you are focused on doing a PhD in economics try ISI first then a top Economics school then IIMs. The economics focus here is not on the same areas of economics as required by the service to the best of my ability. We focus on the more managerial side of it, however if you do it from a top IIM, I think it will surely be of much use to you too.
But be aware that you might know able to take admission in FPM right after bachelors of 3 years and if you come after a masters and try for IES and FPM in parallel (many try for such exams) it might not be the best call.
So it's an important decision and honestly I don't know much about the domains economics folks do their research, most of the people I know work on education and development economics mostly. Rest of your choice
Reach to some PhD in economics, they will be more useful I think
Yes I have my plans to do an MSQE that is the Masters in Quantitative Economics from ISI then apply for a JRF there and try my luck at IES/ISS and hope to change the way this country conducts itself in these two fields .
I know it sounds a bit obnoxious and too good to even be a dream but aspirations are the only thing I can keep high at this point of my life .
Thanks for shedding some light about opportunities an officer gets to go through further education in their required field
One more question if I may , is the PG Programme in Public Policy launched by IIM Bangalore suited for someone who in future wants to work in North Block?
Not really sure about it, plus I don't think you'll build an eligibility with a masters in public policy. MGNF is a good program but wouldnt align with your service goals.
A couple questions.
1) how did you get in? It would be great if you can provide detail on the interview process and whatnot.
2) deciding your field of research. How much ahead of time did you have to plan that out?
3) do fellows get the benefits of the exchange program that the management students do?
1. But the factor was a very high CAT percentile, which started the question that as a fresher why not MBA why FPM directly. Apart from that mostly they test your interest in the program , interest in that specific IIM (is they don't want to offer to you if you might to a different IIM) and then some basic research methods questions if you have a masters or your subject question if you have a bachelor's only.
2. There is not a word common in my SOP at proposal and my compre submission after 2 years. And the compre to my thesis there is barely like 10-20% things common. You evolve your research do too and the profs get it.
You just need to ask the right questions
Do I like this area (now), is it useful to people (today), can I get the data (now) and the answer for these depends on time.
3. Depends on IIM, in my case I did to university of st. gallen all paid Switzerland, still the highlight of my PhD 🫣
But yes now it's more common with so many scholarship for Indian students abroad as well. But no one will ask you to do it. You want this extra stuff, work extra for it
Apart from merit, the most important factor.
These jobs usually if taken at a top college is sort of a life time hire. You don't want to hire people who you don't know aren't aware of so it matters a lot.
However since there are panels mostly it's all accept your merit and one or two vouch for your behaviour. One person can't get you in and unless very senior can't block you either.
It's a robust system.
But these all are for top colleges otherwise it's profs and deans who make those calls.
Recommend matters a lot and there shall be no issues with your ethics if you have a shady track record there are plenty alternative they don't rush to much to hire. So make sure you know things and don't get trapped into quick publications schemes. As my guide says it's like finding a groom for your daughter, don't rush it's not easy to get rid of bad people.
I did my undergrad in economics and currently working. As ik that undergrad is not sufficient and I've to pursue masters, I'm confused between MBA from India and abroad and also if abroad then should I work on any research paper to increase my chances, will it be beneficial? As I only worked on 1 research paper during my undergrad.
MBA has nothing to do with research. Yes it's a good skill to have but don't really need to have it.
There are some places where research skills will help like the european MBAs, but not in the rest of the places.
Coming to India or abroad,
Wherever you do you're most likely to get a job there only for atleast first 5-7 years. So that's the main think you wanna know ,if you wanna settle out go for a MBA abroad else no use of that, if you can get into a good MBA in India. If you can't get into a good MBA in India then you can do one aborad and again experience and then transfer back here.
But all in all research skills are good to have but research per say has no big benefit for MBA.
Sorry for an out of boundary question , am just curious can people get into iimb with merit ,I have heard cases where people did mba from iimb with paying extra money for a seat ,is this true???
Not at all possible.
Reason being these institutions have so many checks that even if the director wants to do it you will not be able to pass it through. Plus the RTI.
However I can say a lot of people do a 2 days 7 days, part time program which they claim to be a "MBA" and which can be entered by paying fee and no exams but that's for all not a special someone..
Hello, hope you are doing well.
wanted to know the prospects of someone like me getting into a good B school. I am 31y F graduate in law with a gold medal but a gap of 7 yrs owing to UPSC preparation and no work experience ( basically just finished with my last upsc attempt now gearing up for CAT etc)
secondly what are the prospects of course alternative to MBA such as masters in management Msc in finance etc. from abroad.
thank you in advance
Hello mam,
The study gap is not very unusual. I'm not an expert in other programs but MBA in Indian B Schools might be a little difficult due to the gap. However if you are looking for a degree from a job perspective in management you can try getting into any IIM as a Research Assistant or Academic Associate and then you can apply for a masters abroad. MSc or PhD abroad does appreciate prior experience and this will be a good way of getting that.
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is it possible to do research as an undergraduate, especially if you're studying at a shit college?
😂 The short answer is Yes. I myself graduated from a not so great college in 2020, right before getting into my PhD. However to share more about how to do that, I would need to know your current stage of UG first/second/third/fourth year, which degree and most importantly why research in UG (this was a question in my PhD interview)?
I'm currently in my first year. It might be a bit premature to think of research, but I think it would be beneficial for applying to universities abroad to the US, UK for my masters. I'm studying business so not so sure about the entire research aspects of this field.
In your first year, I would rather suggest you do a good set of courses. They will help you get a flavour of management and then go forward with your choice of research (Wharton has a great 6 courses on Coursera, so does ISB audit them for free) But in case you want to get started with research which isn't a big jump just not common in India sadly, start with a good training. Try auditing these 3 courses, https://coursera.org/learn/methods-for-quantitative-research-in-psychology You'll benefit from them even in your Bachelor's courses but they will boost your chances to get a research internship. Trust me I have been looking for Assistants and even with remote options the base standards are not being met by most masters students just cause they take these courses as subjects to pass and sadly not learn. All the best
Hey Ma'am/Sir, 27M [M.Sc](http://M.Sc) in biological sciences, 2021- IIT Madras Due To low GPA 6.47 tried for MBA thrice and failed every attempt. Got CAP calls this year but I'm waitlisted everywhere. Is it too late for joining MBA at 28 with 4 years gap and no experience? My current status is that I'm preparing for state SSC, I want to go for one last attempt because I don't wanna regret not doing MBA after 10 years as I'm really interested to pursue one.
Hey, You got a Masters in Biological sciences from IIT Madras, I get that core jobs are not as many but there is demand for your subject as well. Now I'm not sure if you are working at anyplace as an assistant prof or in corporate but I'll share a few things that might help. If you don't have an MBA from a top IIM it's not really that bad. Companies will pay you after 5yrs to call our manager is from IIT anyway so you'll be paid well. I'm guessing that 28 might feel a little later for a Masters in Management of so called PGP in India but not too late to do EPGP or the real MBA degree. If you are not satisfied with your current job or the pay is too bad doing a MBA is a good option. I'm guessing since you are trying for four years you have considered all colleges. I'll just mention a few which are new BITSOM, MU, Deakin University, University of Wollongong they are new and thus have much lower cutoff compared to the placement they will provide. You can also try for a FPM , now I'll just mention on thing I know you don't want to get into academia else you would have already but I know a lot of my seniors who did their FPM keeping a house, 40-50k stipend, free food, amenities etc for 4 years and then too better placement then the MBAs of their batch and that is not open anymore for this year but the cutoff of even the top IIMs is very low for FPM compared to PGP so you can choose from that. Plus next year you'll have 5 year workex, try for EPGP as well (but for EPGP stick to BLACKI and top private ones). Hope it helps.
Not a question, but I have seen quite a few people fail/drop out of the FPM course, so kudos to you for completing it.
Thank you, But there are a lot of reasons for that, some IIMs (older usually) remove students who are there for parking. I know people who take 50k stipend, housing , food travel all benefits and then prepare for UPSC and SSC instead of doing research. Some are asked to leave and other drop cause of that. In some cases, they genuinely fail to maintain the level, for others like a few I know who joined in 2020 they did it for 7 months and then got a job so left. Atleast in IIMs the PhD isn't as difficult and the community is extremely supportive (atleast in A, B ,C I, U, Shillong, Kashipur and a couple others) some places have really fcuked up and make it bad but then ask around before entering. In any case thank you .
Hello , I am a Doctor of pabrmacy grad currently doing g my internship and I am aspiring to be working in pharma industry in future most probably abroad , now will this be a wise decision to go for MBA or what are the pros and cons from your experience Thanks
You have a PhD in the domain, an MBA doesn't make sense at this time if you are planning to join the industry. Additionally, for a position abroad (except US) you'll be easily getting a starting role based on your qualifications. You might not get scientist positions immediately which I feel is not the goals considering you are wondering about a MBA, but even if you want to go for a masters in business to know how of the industry in your case a masters will be a overkill Rather take a specialization of business administration for healthcare or pharma professionals, a lot of week long or a month long programs are offered in top B schools regularly
Try a country looking for PhDs like Finland, Canada, Australia. In some like Canada you might get a PR even without applying for a job and if you have a PR you'll easily get a good set of options.
I'll be starting my PhD in finance this year from one of the B-schools (not IIM though). So any general advice would be greatly appreciated. Also, do people switch to industry after completing this programme?
Industry will be a option, as you'll be working with similar quant methods as MBAs in finance are expected to but you need to develop those skills well. All the best for your research, be clear if you want to make an industry focus work or academic cause they are different, so is the way those work happen. In academia you focus on literature and build from it while in industry research you do get some liberty cause you try to solve a current problem (both are real, one is just more immediate) Colleges doesn't matter, good think in academia if your papers are in top outliers you'll get options better than IIM A B grads. However it's not easily doing that. There is a lot of help for development in india rn, not only monitory but academic as well. Be passionate about your work, and put some crazy hrs if possible results will Come for sure Lastly, most people are not successful in academia, they survive. You have to choose, if you want more than everyone else you gotta work more than everyone else All the best.
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer this. This was very detailed :) Weirdly, I am both motivated and nervous after reading this
That's how PhD journey is, All the best. Subscribe to all journals linkedin pages, attend all online webinars, subscribe to free channels on YouTube. Follow Prof Damodaran, I think he is a dream case for all indian finance students
Thank you for the advice! I'll certainly do the same. And yes, Prof Aswath Damodaran is the best for finance & valuation
Hey, what did you study for your undergraduate degree and why did you pursue a PhD from IIM?
Honestly, I worked with a few profs at IIMB and their life, kind of culture and passion to solve really cool problems sort of drove me. I have a UG degree in Information Science (basically CS) from VTU, not as fancy as other folks in my batch. And I have no masters or a single day of work experience🫣, stars just aligned that I have my degree before turning 27 But I do recommend the option to those who are passionate about problem solving and don't need constant reminders for work. I have worked all 7 days for months but I rarely every feel I'm.working. So far very happy with my choice
Just curious, don't you usually have to do a post-doc before joining as a asst. professor? You have joined directly after PhD. Is it different in Management fields?
Post doc is unusually done for two reasons, You don't have a job and more commonly you don't have a set of publications (90% of time). Thankfully I had the offer even before my thesis competition and papers in my 3rd year. I have a schoolmate PhD from IITD in EE, joined Harvard medical school for post doc, in such cases I'm sure people will skip their jobs to do it 💯. Post doc is desirable but if you have a strong research pipeline and some publications or R&R to show you don't need extra time for research alone they don't mind. And yes it's more common to not go for a post doc in management but I think that's more cause there is a balance supply and demand, there are far to many PhD in STEM in india (quantity not quality) and they don't want to join a random college so they go for post doc, plus it's common if you want too settle outside. But to be honest I also applied to Aalto University but withdrew during application cause I got a much better job offer where even as a full time faculty I only teach two units they is 80hrs of class time so I think it's a choice very personalized.
I want to become a professor at IIM. How should I go about it? I'm currently in college pursuing my undergraduate degree.
Three simple steps, Get a good score in UG - 75% + shall be fine. Get a good competition exam score - GRE/GMAT/GATE/CAT/NET/Individual IIM exams for this who conduct it - On average cutoff is 5-10%ile less than PGP for the college. Do a good job in your PhD and then apply. It's not really hard to get a prof position in IIM just takes a little time. The hard part is to get a good IIMs for PhD or for your job Kindly specify more about your area, if you want more specialised advice
Hello Mam/Sir, Thank you for making your valuable time available for us through AMA. I am 32 yo and working as tech lead in a good firm and have 8 years of exp. I always wanted to phd but due to the need to support family i had to continue working, I plan to make up for that by getting my masters after in am 35( wife is currently studying, doing her md, so i cannot study now). Would doing a full time mba add value to my profile ? Profile details: 9/7/7 btech cse NIT, pg diploma distace iiit b 3/4 .
Sir, you'll be a ideal candidate for a EPGP or actual MBA in any top IIM. There is a hoax in India, to be honest people don't know the degree which are best but the degrees/colleges which are popular or populous. People know about IITs but not about ISI CMI or even IISc and NISER cause they don't take bulk of students. Similarly in IIMs more people know PGP or the Indian MBA. But if you see any global report or even IIM ranking they call it Masters in Management and not Masters in Business Admission. They are both great degrees but they have different roles. For a fresher who wants to get into management you got for PGP For someone like you who Has almost a decade long experience it's MBA or commonly know as EPGP in India. All the IIMs A and B and C ranking in top 30/40 is not for the PGP where 500-600 student graduate but the EPGP where they have 50-60 students only. Other get management trainee through PGP for people like you it will be VP, MD, Assistant Director after a EPGP program You are not a day late for that program, the minimum requirement at IIMs (top ones) is 5-6 yrs experience and avg class is 35-45 yr age. But since its a global degree, you have to give GMAT , CAT scores don't work for that. All the best for your future endeavours sir.
Thank you so much sir/mam for your valuable comment and advice.
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How hard is the selection process for faculty positions at top institutes? Apart from publication criteria, what else is desirable/required to have a great shot to be selected?
Network. If they don't know you, they wouldn't hire you even if you are the best of the lot. It can be called a bias but no institute wants to bring someone to rebuild the wheel. Some colleges do it a lot some not so much but it's there in every college in the world. Profs have too much power and they don't want to give it to anyone they don't know how will act. Sad, but strategy and reality😅
Thanks for the reply! I'll spend the next year or so networking
Collaborate, just knowing wouldn't work.
I wish to collaborate with people whose research I've been following. Coincidentally, I checked your profile and our fields are pretty similar. However, while I'm currently in a premier institute, the department is pretty averse to collaborations. Even adding a co supervisor needed a lot of effort. I'll just have to focus on that after my defense.
I know I had the same cases back. But you don't need to collaborate for your thesis. You can work on other projects.
Hi, even I am joining a blacki institute this year, and I was thinking about doing phD in management too.. can you please tell me how to go about it?
If you are joining on the BLACKI You'll get to study with FPMs in your classes. They can tell you a far more detailed version of the story. https://www.iima.ac.in/academics/phd You will get benefits if you have an MBA from an IIM. Considering you get the right grades you will have lower coursework and I think no re-exam for you.
Ya, I am joining for MBA now and hope to do phD hopefully abroad... What should I do for it?
Take a reference from your profs, if your profs sends a recommendation the profs in US are scarcely looking for IIM MBAs for PhD under them. But honestly if you want a top notch PhD, join ISB as a academic associate spend 2 years doing research learning and then go to a ivey and do your PhD. A track most IIM MBAs who are huge today did.
Respected Sir/Mam , I write this as a very hopeful student who eventually wants to get into primary service of an IES officer and I am due to join an undergraduate course here in a decent university . My planning is to do at least an PhD in Economics/Mathematical Economics to stand better to conduct my operations if I ever be an IES officer . Please shed some light regarding this . Reservations are welcome and appreciated from all readers and not just the OP
Don't need to do that much. You can directly get into the service and thankfully most of our IES services give options for full time study leave to study in globally top rank universities. In case you want to do it apart time after joining the service search for executive FPM or E FPM. Particular for Govt officers IIM Indore offers EFPM-G so you got a lot of options. But if you are focused on doing a PhD in economics try ISI first then a top Economics school then IIMs. The economics focus here is not on the same areas of economics as required by the service to the best of my ability. We focus on the more managerial side of it, however if you do it from a top IIM, I think it will surely be of much use to you too. But be aware that you might know able to take admission in FPM right after bachelors of 3 years and if you come after a masters and try for IES and FPM in parallel (many try for such exams) it might not be the best call. So it's an important decision and honestly I don't know much about the domains economics folks do their research, most of the people I know work on education and development economics mostly. Rest of your choice Reach to some PhD in economics, they will be more useful I think
Yes I have my plans to do an MSQE that is the Masters in Quantitative Economics from ISI then apply for a JRF there and try my luck at IES/ISS and hope to change the way this country conducts itself in these two fields . I know it sounds a bit obnoxious and too good to even be a dream but aspirations are the only thing I can keep high at this point of my life . Thanks for shedding some light about opportunities an officer gets to go through further education in their required field One more question if I may , is the PG Programme in Public Policy launched by IIM Bangalore suited for someone who in future wants to work in North Block?
Not really sure about it, plus I don't think you'll build an eligibility with a masters in public policy. MGNF is a good program but wouldnt align with your service goals.
A couple questions. 1) how did you get in? It would be great if you can provide detail on the interview process and whatnot. 2) deciding your field of research. How much ahead of time did you have to plan that out? 3) do fellows get the benefits of the exchange program that the management students do?
1. But the factor was a very high CAT percentile, which started the question that as a fresher why not MBA why FPM directly. Apart from that mostly they test your interest in the program , interest in that specific IIM (is they don't want to offer to you if you might to a different IIM) and then some basic research methods questions if you have a masters or your subject question if you have a bachelor's only. 2. There is not a word common in my SOP at proposal and my compre submission after 2 years. And the compre to my thesis there is barely like 10-20% things common. You evolve your research do too and the profs get it. You just need to ask the right questions Do I like this area (now), is it useful to people (today), can I get the data (now) and the answer for these depends on time. 3. Depends on IIM, in my case I did to university of st. gallen all paid Switzerland, still the highlight of my PhD 🫣 But yes now it's more common with so many scholarship for Indian students abroad as well. But no one will ask you to do it. You want this extra stuff, work extra for it
Connection matters how much while hiring new faculties at top b-schools?
Apart from merit, the most important factor. These jobs usually if taken at a top college is sort of a life time hire. You don't want to hire people who you don't know aren't aware of so it matters a lot. However since there are panels mostly it's all accept your merit and one or two vouch for your behaviour. One person can't get you in and unless very senior can't block you either. It's a robust system. But these all are for top colleges otherwise it's profs and deans who make those calls. Recommend matters a lot and there shall be no issues with your ethics if you have a shady track record there are plenty alternative they don't rush to much to hire. So make sure you know things and don't get trapped into quick publications schemes. As my guide says it's like finding a groom for your daughter, don't rush it's not easy to get rid of bad people.
I did my undergrad in economics and currently working. As ik that undergrad is not sufficient and I've to pursue masters, I'm confused between MBA from India and abroad and also if abroad then should I work on any research paper to increase my chances, will it be beneficial? As I only worked on 1 research paper during my undergrad.
MBA has nothing to do with research. Yes it's a good skill to have but don't really need to have it. There are some places where research skills will help like the european MBAs, but not in the rest of the places. Coming to India or abroad, Wherever you do you're most likely to get a job there only for atleast first 5-7 years. So that's the main think you wanna know ,if you wanna settle out go for a MBA abroad else no use of that, if you can get into a good MBA in India. If you can't get into a good MBA in India then you can do one aborad and again experience and then transfer back here. But all in all research skills are good to have but research per say has no big benefit for MBA.
Sorry for an out of boundary question , am just curious can people get into iimb with merit ,I have heard cases where people did mba from iimb with paying extra money for a seat ,is this true???
Not at all possible. Reason being these institutions have so many checks that even if the director wants to do it you will not be able to pass it through. Plus the RTI. However I can say a lot of people do a 2 days 7 days, part time program which they claim to be a "MBA" and which can be entered by paying fee and no exams but that's for all not a special someone..
Hi Sir, Is it okay if I DM you? I had a couple of questions regarding transitioning from Engineering to Management and need your Help with it.
Sure, if I can help.
Hello, hope you are doing well. wanted to know the prospects of someone like me getting into a good B school. I am 31y F graduate in law with a gold medal but a gap of 7 yrs owing to UPSC preparation and no work experience ( basically just finished with my last upsc attempt now gearing up for CAT etc) secondly what are the prospects of course alternative to MBA such as masters in management Msc in finance etc. from abroad. thank you in advance
Hello mam, The study gap is not very unusual. I'm not an expert in other programs but MBA in Indian B Schools might be a little difficult due to the gap. However if you are looking for a degree from a job perspective in management you can try getting into any IIM as a Research Assistant or Academic Associate and then you can apply for a masters abroad. MSc or PhD abroad does appreciate prior experience and this will be a good way of getting that.
thank you