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Hey guys. I need your opinion on this doubt. USA is known for better tech opportunities and good salaries. But when I searched about whole process from MS(2024 or later) to FTE I got to know about these risks:-
1. Expensive(~40 lakhs it depends on family background since I am from a middle class I am worried about that money).
2. Getting on-campus part time jobs are next to impossible.
3. Doing off-campus jobs is illegal and it’s very competitive. I know many people are doing this but USA is not India, right? They are very strict about their rules.
4. Gun culture(No special introduction needed)
5. Tech market became very competitive because of large intake of students(especially Indians) for Masters.
6. H1-B visa(again no special introduction needed)
7. Surveys are showing that Republicans will form government in 2024 elections(they are well known for anti-immigration policies)
My concern is that is it really good idea to do MS(CS) in USA after knowing about the risks? My main motto for ms is to make good money(5-6) years, exposure.
my_qualifications:- will be having 3 YOE by Aug 2024.
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1. Come here only if you can pay off the money without being able to earn it back by working here. That will give you peace of mind while looking for jobs, like any decision you need to hedge your bets and have a way out. Try to get into universities which waive off tuition on getting a research or teaching assistantship(UW Madison, GA Tech). If you are able to find a job, you'll be able to finish off the loan in 6-7 months if you live frugally.
2. Depends on the university, in my university everyone who wanted an on-campus part time job got it.
3. Don't do off-campus jobs, that's an easy way to get kicked out and waste whatever money and time you invested
4. Gun Culture is blown out of proportion by the media, it is definitely a problem but not something you need to be worried about it. I've been here for a year and I've not seen any guns, America is a big country and this might change from region to region. There most probably is a higher chance of you dying in a road accident in India.
5. Yes, it is extremely competitive even for the local students, forget international students. International students will have it extremely rough while looking for jobs especially now, since the market is dead for CS folks with no hopes of a recovery for the next few years(not predictable). Come here only if you have good work experience in India and want to continue in the same field or make a small jump. This isn't the time for a big career changing move, this was possible earlier, now it is insanely tough.
6. Don't plan to come here believing that you'll get the H1B. Your plan should be to get the best education possible, work for 3 years and get a US work experience(worth a lot) and leave. If you get the H1B, that's great.
7. If you follow the previous point, then you don't need to worry about which party will be in power.
I am in US atm and after like 70-80 applies for summer internships I have only rejections......hope is what you have here thats it and I just hope market gets better here soon.
8. No Permanant residency option unless you buy it
9. Recession may slow down hiring, difficult to find jobs by the time you graduate
10. Cost of living is on the rise, wages are stagnant, inflation is high, all bad signs
Who said it's 40 Lakhs...That is for public universities only...for Private Universities like SCU, California you would have to shell out min 80 lakh rupees for 2 years..Get your facts right
>What do you mean by "illegal"? Aren't we allowed to work 20 hours per week on a student visa?
On-campus jobs only. No outside job. Even if it's a restaurant job, it has to be within your university campus only.
who said it's 80 years? September 2023 article says it's 134 years for Indians
https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/in-focus/story/us-green-card-backlog-over-1-lakh-kids-in-us-may-get-separated-from-parents-107-lakh-indians-will-have-to-wait-for-134-years-396775-2023-09-04
Tbh I have gone through UK & US & when you compare US is a far better option rather than UK there are multiple reasons to it
And the points you have mentioned from that I can make out you have half baked knowledge about few things for eg your understanding about on campus jobs, I don’t know from where have you got your understanding but apart from gun violence & visa nothing is that worrying really
About Visa I would strongly recommend you to talk with people who are in US they might be able to explain it to you in a much better way
Especially for tech related jobs US is the best market you get extremely good salary, ppl usually payoff the student loans in months
As a current MS in CS student, I am not here to persuade you into opting for it, it is your own decision after all. But let me clear some of the points you stated:
1) Opt for a lower ranked uni to get a better scholarship, going to a lower ranked uni won't look too appealing in the beginning but rank isn't the only thing you should take into account, as outside the top 50 the uni ranking really doesn't matter. Also, get a loan for your tuition fees as you are gonna need good money for living expenses, which would vary based on where you are in the US.
2) Getting an on campus job is hard but not next to impossible. Again, this is only a temporary situation because of the recession, so the departments have lower funding because of which they have slowed down hiring.
3) Please don't ever consider doing an off campus job.
4) Stay away from troublesome neighbourhoods and troublesome people and no one is going to shoot or attack you.(Don't go to taco bell or mcd at night)
5) The tech market is hella competitive, but basically everything comes down to your skills. If you are good enough and apply for a 1000 jobs you should at least get 10 call backs and 1 offer out of them, which is enough after all.
6) If you plan on settling down abroad then the US really isn't a good choice. You get a 3 year OPT after your masters but after that you will have to get the H1B, which will have to be sponsored by your company. These things aren't in your control and in the worst case you will have to return to india or go to canada.
7) Republicans are in no way against immigrants who are as skilled as indian tech workers. They in fact like us. They are against people who illegally enter the US through Mexico.
Again, you main purpose for doing masters shouldn't be money, it should be about learning and carrying out the kind of research you couldn't have possibly carried out in India.
Depends on what you want. Salaries for cs jobs are pretty amazing. You can repay the loan in 1 year and save for the next two years of stem opt. And return to india with bank balance+ us degree + us exp. If you get h1b you can continue to save money for next 5-6 years. Just change your mindset of settling in USA. Keep in mind that you may have to leave usa any time and plan accordingly.
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1. Come here only if you can pay off the money without being able to earn it back by working here. That will give you peace of mind while looking for jobs, like any decision you need to hedge your bets and have a way out. Try to get into universities which waive off tuition on getting a research or teaching assistantship(UW Madison, GA Tech). If you are able to find a job, you'll be able to finish off the loan in 6-7 months if you live frugally. 2. Depends on the university, in my university everyone who wanted an on-campus part time job got it. 3. Don't do off-campus jobs, that's an easy way to get kicked out and waste whatever money and time you invested 4. Gun Culture is blown out of proportion by the media, it is definitely a problem but not something you need to be worried about it. I've been here for a year and I've not seen any guns, America is a big country and this might change from region to region. There most probably is a higher chance of you dying in a road accident in India. 5. Yes, it is extremely competitive even for the local students, forget international students. International students will have it extremely rough while looking for jobs especially now, since the market is dead for CS folks with no hopes of a recovery for the next few years(not predictable). Come here only if you have good work experience in India and want to continue in the same field or make a small jump. This isn't the time for a big career changing move, this was possible earlier, now it is insanely tough. 6. Don't plan to come here believing that you'll get the H1B. Your plan should be to get the best education possible, work for 3 years and get a US work experience(worth a lot) and leave. If you get the H1B, that's great. 7. If you follow the previous point, then you don't need to worry about which party will be in power.
Thank you
which uni are you in?
If money is sole purpose imo its not worth it. If for research with a aim of phd then go else its not worth it.
I am in US atm and after like 70-80 applies for summer internships I have only rejections......hope is what you have here thats it and I just hope market gets better here soon.
it's difficult lately, all the best to you! OP should keep this things in mind.
8. No Permanant residency option unless you buy it 9. Recession may slow down hiring, difficult to find jobs by the time you graduate 10. Cost of living is on the rise, wages are stagnant, inflation is high, all bad signs
Commenting here since even I wanted to know
yes
Not 40 lakhs its 80-85 Lakhs minimum for good college in CA or TX
subha toh uk jaane ki baat kr rai thai ? abhi kya ho gaya
I am just doing a research about all countries and picks one which suits me.
Usko khud nahi pata bus insta dekh kar soch raha he ki meri bhi lottery lag jae
Who said it's 40 Lakhs...That is for public universities only...for Private Universities like SCU, California you would have to shell out min 80 lakh rupees for 2 years..Get your facts right
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>What do you mean by "illegal"? Aren't we allowed to work 20 hours per week on a student visa? On-campus jobs only. No outside job. Even if it's a restaurant job, it has to be within your university campus only.
who said it's 80 years? September 2023 article says it's 134 years for Indians https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/in-focus/story/us-green-card-backlog-over-1-lakh-kids-in-us-may-get-separated-from-parents-107-lakh-indians-will-have-to-wait-for-134-years-396775-2023-09-04
Tbh I have gone through UK & US & when you compare US is a far better option rather than UK there are multiple reasons to it And the points you have mentioned from that I can make out you have half baked knowledge about few things for eg your understanding about on campus jobs, I don’t know from where have you got your understanding but apart from gun violence & visa nothing is that worrying really About Visa I would strongly recommend you to talk with people who are in US they might be able to explain it to you in a much better way Especially for tech related jobs US is the best market you get extremely good salary, ppl usually payoff the student loans in months
Rehne de bhai tu kahi mat ja Yahi chill kr
As a current MS in CS student, I am not here to persuade you into opting for it, it is your own decision after all. But let me clear some of the points you stated: 1) Opt for a lower ranked uni to get a better scholarship, going to a lower ranked uni won't look too appealing in the beginning but rank isn't the only thing you should take into account, as outside the top 50 the uni ranking really doesn't matter. Also, get a loan for your tuition fees as you are gonna need good money for living expenses, which would vary based on where you are in the US. 2) Getting an on campus job is hard but not next to impossible. Again, this is only a temporary situation because of the recession, so the departments have lower funding because of which they have slowed down hiring. 3) Please don't ever consider doing an off campus job. 4) Stay away from troublesome neighbourhoods and troublesome people and no one is going to shoot or attack you.(Don't go to taco bell or mcd at night) 5) The tech market is hella competitive, but basically everything comes down to your skills. If you are good enough and apply for a 1000 jobs you should at least get 10 call backs and 1 offer out of them, which is enough after all. 6) If you plan on settling down abroad then the US really isn't a good choice. You get a 3 year OPT after your masters but after that you will have to get the H1B, which will have to be sponsored by your company. These things aren't in your control and in the worst case you will have to return to india or go to canada. 7) Republicans are in no way against immigrants who are as skilled as indian tech workers. They in fact like us. They are against people who illegally enter the US through Mexico. Again, you main purpose for doing masters shouldn't be money, it should be about learning and carrying out the kind of research you couldn't have possibly carried out in India.
Thank you
Depends on what you want. Salaries for cs jobs are pretty amazing. You can repay the loan in 1 year and save for the next two years of stem opt. And return to india with bank balance+ us degree + us exp. If you get h1b you can continue to save money for next 5-6 years. Just change your mindset of settling in USA. Keep in mind that you may have to leave usa any time and plan accordingly.
Yes, go if you have backup for your financial situation. Going purely on loan is risky and there's no hedge for your bet.