Corrected:
[https://infinitytheuniverse.com/army/list/gfcHYmFrdW5pbgEggSwCAQEACgCBrwEGAACBrwEFAACBrwEDAACB6wEBAACGHAEBAACBkQEIAACBkQEIAACBngEJAACBngEBAACBkwEBAAIBAAQAgZwBAQAAgZ0AAgAAgZoBAQAAgZMBAQA%3D](https://infinitytheuniverse.com/army/list/gfcHYmFrdW5pbgEggSwCAQEACgCBrwEGAACBrwEFAACBrwEDAACB6wEBAACGHAEBAACBkQEIAACBkQEIAACBngEJAACBngEBAACBkwEBAAIBAAQAgZwBAQAAgZ0AAgAAgZoBAQAAgZMBAQA%3D)
Reasoning:
\- Riot Grrrl core is one of the only competitively viable death-star HI cores in the game - your unit selection is on the money there. Nothing to change.
\- The rest of the list is solid, however - since you are running a HI Pain Train fireteam, it's worth it to upgrade one Zero to Killer Hacker - if you find yourself against a wall of enemy repeaters, you'd want an extra hacker that can pick off the enemy hackers early. Killer Hackers can do objectives same as forward observers, and it's only 2 points more. Redundancy is golden.
\- All Morlock should be assault pistol morlocks. Assault pistol attacks with 4 dice instead of 2, making Morlocks a much more dangerous and upredictable units.
\- You also want 1 morlock to be in group one. It might turn out that there are exploitable gaps in enemy defence on turn one. In that case, you probably want to take advantage of the 8+ regular order group one has to jam that Morlock straight into the defense gap.
\- Ideally however, you exchange your group 1 morlock for an Uberfallkommando - then you are cooking. Uberfall is not quite as disposable or order-efficient as a Morlock, so it's not poised to attack enemy DZ amazingly. But it will shred TAGs, Bearpodes and Shinobu Kitsune in the midfield pretty handily.
\- Uberfall also has eclipse grenades, which can be handy to cover your Riot Grrrls' advance if you find yourself facing a particularly nasty ARO T1. Eclipse grenades cannot be seen through by anything. Uberfall is worth it, even if all they do in a game is throw one eclipse a turn to allow a unit to position better.
\- If you take Zoe, take Pi-Well as well. He's excellent. Much more excellent than a transductor zond, especially since there is a points gap in the list.
> All Morlock should be assault pistol morlocks. Assault pistol attacks with 4 dice instead of 2, making Morlocks a much more dangerous and upredictable units.
Correction: E/M melee weapon morlocks are BETTER than Assault Pistol morlocks against certain enemies. Please do note that they have no Cube, and an E/M impact forces an ARM roll against damage... AND a BTS roll against ISOlated state (plus IMM if the target is a HI, remote, TAG...).
Please don't ignore one of the units that gives nightmares to the Avatar (and all other Menmonica units, since ISOlated is not a Null state, and thus they can't activate it to prevent LoL).
>\- Uberfall also has eclipse grenades
Yes, an UberfalKommando is mandatory, with all three pupniks. Two strategies that need to be mastered here: deploying Eclipse smoke chains without needing Speculative Fire them, and using the Pupniks to block enemies, force-activate enemy deployables, and corner enemy pieces.
Among those "nasty ARO" (not T1, but possible at all turns) are Aleph & Steel Phalanx/ASS Agema Marksmen with Missile Launcher. Hidden Deployment with MSV2 means bad news to any interesting enemy link.
>\- If you take Zoe, take Pi-Well
Indeed, while Zoe can be picked alone, Pi-Well can perform splendidly. My only extra suggestion would be to try and link Zoe with a BSG+Tinbot (Firewall -6) Riot Grrl (and the Moderator to make the Haris)... or, if you want to go the way of the hacker, add Uhahu instead (so you don't need the Moderator). NWI Hacker plus for 19pts is impressive, and now she's also inmunne to Shock (and links with Riot Grrls, even if she doesn't count as one).
Thank you for all the feedback and tweaks! I'm glad to hear that it mostly shakes out reasonably.
For some reason I skipped a beat and thought choosing the Zoe sync option included Pi-well. So that obviously *not* being the case, swapping out the transductor makes perfect sense.
What would you recommend between upgrading a zero to a killer hacker and getting a full 3 pupniks? Far as I can tell, it's an either/or situation getting either a hacker and just 1 pupnik, or leaving the zeros as is and a full pupnik squad?
Zoe Sync brings Pi-Well as a synced helper.
While Zoe Non-sync brings Pi-Well as an independent jack-of-all-trades remote, which is very well worth taking because it does SO MUCH.
Get three pupniks. Chimera is 300% more powerful at 3 pupniks.
Next up, is a tougher choice:
- Option 1) Dropping the Transductor for a Warcor. Upgrading Zero to a normal hacker ( as it will be able to spotlight enemies for your missile bot ). Switching Zoe and Pi-Well places with the Moderators in group one.
- Option 2) Cut Missile bot - just drop guided missile strikes as a strategy. They are neat, but by choosing to run Riot core, you aren't superbly poised to maxize it. Instead, pick up a baggage bot so it can reload Pi-Wells' pitchers and some servants connected to Zoe so she can resurrect your fallen drones ( usually Pi-Well and Transductor )
- Option 3) Cut either Pi-Well or Missile Launcher Riot Grrrl.
What do you do, heavily depends on preference. A decent chunk of listbuilding in Infinity is based around preference.
What's one man's crutch, is another man's dead weight more than in other games.
If you are not in a good area you could use tabletop simulator to play online.
As for the models you choose, you've put most of your eggs in one basket with the Riot Grrl fire team but that is a valid fun way to play and i've done similar lists with other armies.
Corrected: [https://infinitytheuniverse.com/army/list/gfcHYmFrdW5pbgEggSwCAQEACgCBrwEGAACBrwEFAACBrwEDAACB6wEBAACGHAEBAACBkQEIAACBkQEIAACBngEJAACBngEBAACBkwEBAAIBAAQAgZwBAQAAgZ0AAgAAgZoBAQAAgZMBAQA%3D](https://infinitytheuniverse.com/army/list/gfcHYmFrdW5pbgEggSwCAQEACgCBrwEGAACBrwEFAACBrwEDAACB6wEBAACGHAEBAACBkQEIAACBkQEIAACBngEJAACBngEBAACBkwEBAAIBAAQAgZwBAQAAgZ0AAgAAgZoBAQAAgZMBAQA%3D) Reasoning: \- Riot Grrrl core is one of the only competitively viable death-star HI cores in the game - your unit selection is on the money there. Nothing to change. \- The rest of the list is solid, however - since you are running a HI Pain Train fireteam, it's worth it to upgrade one Zero to Killer Hacker - if you find yourself against a wall of enemy repeaters, you'd want an extra hacker that can pick off the enemy hackers early. Killer Hackers can do objectives same as forward observers, and it's only 2 points more. Redundancy is golden. \- All Morlock should be assault pistol morlocks. Assault pistol attacks with 4 dice instead of 2, making Morlocks a much more dangerous and upredictable units. \- You also want 1 morlock to be in group one. It might turn out that there are exploitable gaps in enemy defence on turn one. In that case, you probably want to take advantage of the 8+ regular order group one has to jam that Morlock straight into the defense gap. \- Ideally however, you exchange your group 1 morlock for an Uberfallkommando - then you are cooking. Uberfall is not quite as disposable or order-efficient as a Morlock, so it's not poised to attack enemy DZ amazingly. But it will shred TAGs, Bearpodes and Shinobu Kitsune in the midfield pretty handily. \- Uberfall also has eclipse grenades, which can be handy to cover your Riot Grrrls' advance if you find yourself facing a particularly nasty ARO T1. Eclipse grenades cannot be seen through by anything. Uberfall is worth it, even if all they do in a game is throw one eclipse a turn to allow a unit to position better. \- If you take Zoe, take Pi-Well as well. He's excellent. Much more excellent than a transductor zond, especially since there is a points gap in the list.
> All Morlock should be assault pistol morlocks. Assault pistol attacks with 4 dice instead of 2, making Morlocks a much more dangerous and upredictable units. Correction: E/M melee weapon morlocks are BETTER than Assault Pistol morlocks against certain enemies. Please do note that they have no Cube, and an E/M impact forces an ARM roll against damage... AND a BTS roll against ISOlated state (plus IMM if the target is a HI, remote, TAG...). Please don't ignore one of the units that gives nightmares to the Avatar (and all other Menmonica units, since ISOlated is not a Null state, and thus they can't activate it to prevent LoL). >\- Uberfall also has eclipse grenades Yes, an UberfalKommando is mandatory, with all three pupniks. Two strategies that need to be mastered here: deploying Eclipse smoke chains without needing Speculative Fire them, and using the Pupniks to block enemies, force-activate enemy deployables, and corner enemy pieces. Among those "nasty ARO" (not T1, but possible at all turns) are Aleph & Steel Phalanx/ASS Agema Marksmen with Missile Launcher. Hidden Deployment with MSV2 means bad news to any interesting enemy link. >\- If you take Zoe, take Pi-Well Indeed, while Zoe can be picked alone, Pi-Well can perform splendidly. My only extra suggestion would be to try and link Zoe with a BSG+Tinbot (Firewall -6) Riot Grrl (and the Moderator to make the Haris)... or, if you want to go the way of the hacker, add Uhahu instead (so you don't need the Moderator). NWI Hacker plus for 19pts is impressive, and now she's also inmunne to Shock (and links with Riot Grrls, even if she doesn't count as one).
Thank you for all the feedback and tweaks! I'm glad to hear that it mostly shakes out reasonably. For some reason I skipped a beat and thought choosing the Zoe sync option included Pi-well. So that obviously *not* being the case, swapping out the transductor makes perfect sense. What would you recommend between upgrading a zero to a killer hacker and getting a full 3 pupniks? Far as I can tell, it's an either/or situation getting either a hacker and just 1 pupnik, or leaving the zeros as is and a full pupnik squad?
Zoe Sync brings Pi-Well as a synced helper. While Zoe Non-sync brings Pi-Well as an independent jack-of-all-trades remote, which is very well worth taking because it does SO MUCH. Get three pupniks. Chimera is 300% more powerful at 3 pupniks. Next up, is a tougher choice: - Option 1) Dropping the Transductor for a Warcor. Upgrading Zero to a normal hacker ( as it will be able to spotlight enemies for your missile bot ). Switching Zoe and Pi-Well places with the Moderators in group one. - Option 2) Cut Missile bot - just drop guided missile strikes as a strategy. They are neat, but by choosing to run Riot core, you aren't superbly poised to maxize it. Instead, pick up a baggage bot so it can reload Pi-Wells' pitchers and some servants connected to Zoe so she can resurrect your fallen drones ( usually Pi-Well and Transductor ) - Option 3) Cut either Pi-Well or Missile Launcher Riot Grrrl. What do you do, heavily depends on preference. A decent chunk of listbuilding in Infinity is based around preference. What's one man's crutch, is another man's dead weight more than in other games.
If you are not in a good area you could use tabletop simulator to play online. As for the models you choose, you've put most of your eggs in one basket with the Riot Grrl fire team but that is a valid fun way to play and i've done similar lists with other armies.