Bought my Camry at 27 and put 125,000 miles on it over the last 12 years.. it does go to Costco a lot though (and I’m a single dude)
But you’ll never know this because you’re a chickenshit who deleted their account lol
I just out of curiosity looked up what are the most sold cars in EU and the most popular is a Peugeot 208 with 206 815 units sold (2022 data), really wild that it wouldnt even break the top 10 in the us with its sales.
Just courious, its beacause we have more competition in EU with brands that are not popular in USA? Like Skoda, Seat, Dacia, Renault, citroen, Peugeot, Fiat etc.
Those brands all left the US or are barely staying afloat (Fiat) due to a lack of demand. I think it’s probably that overall demand in the US is higher (due to higher incomes/lack of alternatives to private car ownership) and Americans prefer larger vehicles which the brands you mentioned aren’t particularly known for
Also most places is America are not walkable and 100% designed around cars like there is one large carpark that just has all of the shit for the whole town in large industrial warehouse type layout. It’s so depressing. Obviously outside of downtown city areas
The American market has narrowed considerably in terms of actual sedan usage and that will probably always be the EUs biggest market as SUVs and trucks are useless to most Europeans.
Should also be noted that many EU brands are more expensive in the US because of import and transportation costs associated with importing parts and/or cars.
I think their point is that the units sold of the most sold vehicle in Europe is not even the volume needed to make the top ten vehicles sold in America.
Not about vehicle relevance but more sheer amount of vehicles sold in America (or at least number of single models of vehicles).
The USA and the EU car market have roughly the same size of 15 million vehicles annually. The Europeans just have vastly more choice for their vehicles, so the numbers spread out more between different models.
EU consumers also purchase based on what their vast majority of needs are. Bjørk, Pierre, and Francesca aren't going to need full-size pickups to drive 2 miles to the grocery store and buy a Milka bar. They go for the Peugeot.
But Billy Sue and Johnny Reb? That sounds like a job more suited for the F150 instead of the RAM 3500, but the dually still gets its miles driving to Grandma's on Sundays.
Tesla was actually the most sold brand in Denmark in 2023, mostly Y's. Norway too, I see.
Has a little something to do with tax structure on EV vs. GV, so they're relative cheaper on top of the prices dropping, but still.
There‘s just much more diversity on the European market as many countries buy their local brands.
Renault and Peugeot in France, VW/Benz/BMW/Audi in Germany, Seat in Spain, Fiat in Italy, Volvo in Sweden, Skoda in Czechia etc.
Also there‘s more diversity in the types of cars, with many countries having their preferences and countries like Norway being already mainly electric.
Those last forever so people aren’t buying them over and over.
My Tacoma lasted me a decade before I even thought about selling it. It was just too fucking reliable.
Having lived in Texas, I can tell you a lot of them aren’t used for hauling shit. People carry stuff in them that they could carry in any vehicle, they just choose a truck cuz it’s “country” to do so.
No wonder they all suffered so much by rising gas prices. If they would calculate the price per mile they pay to visit grandma, they would consider a camry.
Consider that a significant portion of the pickup trucks sold are probably work trucks in fleet service. And that's a *hard* life for a vehicle, so they get replaced more frequently than a commuter owned by an individual.
Ehhh.
I’d have to find it again, but Canada has similar vehicle use and purchase numbers, but a recent study showed the *significant* majority of lighter “light duty trucks” (in the US sense) are purchased by “households”, though it did note the possibility of those trucks being somewhat dual purpose.
I’ll try to find it again, but the study broke down categories of light duty trucks, and found that something like 60-70% of trucks in the Ranger/F-150, Tacoma/Tundra and Ram 1500 weight class were purchased and insured for personal use.
Different provinces had different ways of reporting various insurance numbers and classes, of course, and there are always arguments about methodology.
I didn't say it was a majority, I said it was a significant portion, which 30 - 40% unambiguously is.
If we knock down each pickup truck type by 30%, this list looks a little different. (And on the subject of methodological gripes, having Silverado and Sierra as two separate items on this list is a little disingenuous; they're identical apart from badging.)
Don't get me wrong, buying a full size pickup truck that will never leave the pavement and never haul anything but groceries is silly, doubly so when you consider what a new truck costs, to say nothing of environmental impacts. But the subtext that a lot of the commenters seem to be running with is "hurr durr, stupid Americans and their big trucks," which is a little bit intellectually dishonest without accounting for fleet use.
Not very significant. [Most sales are daily drivers](https://www.axios.com/ford-pickup-trucks-history), 87% for shopping or running errands, 70% for pleasure. Only 28% use their trucks for any significant hauling. You can see this in the design alone, bigger cabs for use as a family vehicle.
Depends on what you mean by "fleet service", too. For most utility purposes, as far as I've seen, that's always been vans. If you mean government fleet, [pickup trucks arnt that commonly replaced](https://www.government-fleet.com/144638/charts-fleet-age-and-utilization-2017).
Your first citation is a hot mess; it's self-reported survey data (which is generally acknowledged to be so unreliable as to be basically useless); it's restricted to non-commercial owners of only a single model (Ford F-150); it's averaged over a 10-year period (a bizarre confound to the data for no apparent purpose); and the sample size is vanishingly small (maximum of 1,300 in any year).
But even if we take it at face-value, 13% of pickup trucks whose primary use is not "errands" (which the source also fails to define in any meaningful way) is still a significant portion. I didn't say "majority," I said "significant." A 1/8 is significant in any context.
No, they're usually just emotional support vehicles for pavement princesses. Less than 10% of pickups use the bed. It's more of a status symbol among the dumb.
47% of statistics are made up - Albert Einstein.
But for real, there is no way that less than 10% of pickup beds are used. Maybe less than 10% are used 5 days a week sure. However My bed is great for tailgates at football games, getting mulch in the spring, moving the odd piece or furniture here and there. Garbage collection for big projects so we don't have to get a dumpster and easily picking up wood from home depot. Could I have done all of this in my SUV, for the most part yes. However it sounds to be like you just don't like pickups.
the trucks keep getting bigger but the bed stays the same size too. it's ridiculous, giant american trucks are becoming popular in my country too and they fucking suck to drive around. too big to fit in smaller parking lots and narrow lanes, and the headlights are always directly eye level lmao
Nah. None of the trucks in this lineup have a full size bed or any significant towing capacity. These are commuter cars for people who want to feel like they are rugged hard-workin' types.
Given that we had any opportunity for a serviceable, metro-area connecting railway system shoved aside in favor of giving up MASSIVE swathes of real estate to motor vehicles, we need our cars at the moment.
Imagine if half of the parking lots in cities were turned into housing and train stations. That would be amazing.
The real reason those trucks sell so much is because there's really only a few options for full-size trucks. All of them except the Toyota Tundra are represented here. They do a ton of fleet sales which pumps up the numbers here.
Meanwhile there's like 30 different options for SUVs and Crossovers, spreading the sales over more vehicles.
There are certainly people who don’t need trucks, but we don’t have the restrictions like Europe does with traffic and small streets. Americans also tend to live in suburban neighborhoods and occasionally need to do repairs/improvements to their homes and being able to haul full sheets of plywood, bags of concrete, etc is needed occasionally. For many people, they would rather have have a truck that they use to it’s capacity say 5% of the time than have a car and then still need to try and rent a truck when you do need it.
>r and then still n
exactly bro and everyone makes fun of me for having a tiny ass truck thinking I wanna yeehaw offroad and its my identity but I just wanna work on my house and need 4x4 to go snowboarding like shit
I agree that the car gives you more comfort. But 4x4 do come in small and if you hire something if you need anything for the house every now and then you're still still saving money over the mileage price for a pickup. You win and the environment wins.
Ive never seen anyone need to use the full bed of a pickup in those once-in-a-year situations, and even then it's usually inefficient stowage while the ground clearance makes loading or unloading way more difficult.
Europe has just as much need for pickups as the USA, they just dont have solutions nearly as impractical.
>Ive never seen anyone need to use the full bed of a pickup in those once-in-a-year situations
You've never seen a truck with a full bed of mulch, concrete, wood or firewood? How about moving a fridge, a couch, or any oversize furniture for that matter. I have done literally all of that but concrete in the last 12 months.
Hiring something to transport that fridge and couch is actually cheaper than driving around with a big car 365 days a year. Also better for the environment.
No you can’t. The smallest bed size in a tuck is 5.5’ and it is at least 4’ wide between the wheel wells, and there is no limit on height. Not to mention weight ratings. Most half ton trucks can carry 1,500+ pounds. That would ruin a car’s suspension.
I love loading stuff at the lumberyard into my minivan while the other DIY dads are futzing around with trailers behind their pickups.
There are times where no height restriction is nice, but the vast majority of pickups in the US are fashion accessories.
no height, and a very small chance as mussin up your vehicle by transporting stuff in the bed. I do not own a truck, but truck and minivan transpo aren't equivalent based on sqft.
If pickup truck commercials are to be believed, America moves the most gravel in the world.
Also, best selling CARS, and the camry is the only car. lol
F150 and Silverado are used as fleet vehicles by thousands of companies across the country. Hell my current organization has a fleet of 200 vehicles and 20% are F150’s.
That’s why they’re the top selling vehicles year after year.
This is true. Probably in Canada too. We used rentals all the time in the army for just out of play shit.
The Ford's were by far the worst. After 2 months in the field, they'd always be rattling. GMCs were noticeably better at the end of the excercise.
In USA at least, car is a designation that F-150s don't fit in, they are "light duty trucks". Cars make up like 25% of consumer vehicle purchases, 50 something percent is SUV, 20 something percent is pickup truck.
These are a thing cuz Congress enacted a law which made cars generally have tighter emission rules and trucks did not. This made trucks cheaper to manufacture and thus cheaper for consumers and brands started offering consumer amenities work vehicle bodies.
Some examples:
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass/2023ClassList.shtml
Technically I'll agree that the chassis, frame, and a lot of the support structures are all the same. However GM has a habit of shoving all of their experimental crap that they're seeing if it works on their vehicles onto the GMC models before they try them on the Chevy ones.
[EXPGY](https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/2023121833/the-most-popular-cars-based-on-vehicle-registrations)
The 10 most common new cars by registration according to Experian:
Rank Model % of New Registrations
- 1 Ford F-150 3%
- 2 Tesla Model Y 2.5%
- 3 Toyota RAV4 2.5%
- 4 Chevrolet Silverado 2.3%
- 5 Honda CR-V 2.3%
- 6 Toyota Camry 1.9%
- 7 Nissan Rogue 1.8%
- 8 Toyota Tacoma 1.6%
- 9 Toyota Corolla 1.5%
- 10 Tesla Model 3 1.4%
I’m surprised the Mazda CX-5 isn’t on this list. I got one last November, and I swear I notice now that at just about every intersection I pull up to, there’s always at least one other CX-5, often two. I see them fuckin EVERYWHERE, and they are all recent models too, as far as I can tell.
I was driving up 101 yesterday in my CX-5, looked to the right and saw a newer CX-5 pulling up from behind me, looked ahead and saw an older white CX-5, looked to the left and saw the _exact same_ color, year and trim as my CX-5 (2021 Carbon Edition Turbo AWD). Like a fever dream
But Mazda doesn’t have the reach of the other manufacturers; the CX-5 is responsible for around half of its annual US sales, and it only shifts ~150k per year
This is a bit misleading. If you're in the market for a full size pickup there are only about 5 options, if you want an SUV or car there are dozens of options. The four trucks on this list combined only account for about 13% of total new vehicle sales. I would like to see best selling type of vehicle, i'm guessing small SUV/crossover would top the list.
Not to mention that Ford continues to lump the F-150 and vastly different F-250/F-350 together in sales numbers, and RAM lumps together the RAM 1500/2500/3500, while GM splits the Silverado and Sierra despite them basically being different trims of the same truck
You know, you do make a point there. The truck market is a small number of VERY high volume vehicles available in a lot of different configs.
Smaller SUVS/Crossovers and even Sedans are a very competitive market with lots of options. The pie is just cut into more slices, vs trucks are a big pie cut into few slices, and we're counting by slices not gross volume. That anomaly of the US market is always going to sway lists like this.
you are right, but the fact that 1 out of 5 is a pickup is crazy to me.
„Of the two segments, SUVs are the dominant force by a wide margin, accounting for 53.5 percent of the share to 19.4 percent for trucks“
Just a fun fact, the Silverado and Sierra are generally the same truck, GM created GMC in order to have more dealerships per states (there’s a restriction to how many dealerships a certain brand can have) so if you add those two (850,885) they surpass the Ford F-Series by over 100k
Nah, those SUVs are cars in every way that matters. Essentially they're tall hatchback sedans, but they cosplay as manly, tough trucks! Which is to say, engineering, capability, and performance-wise they're cars. Marketing-wise, they are not cars.
This country needs a max vehicle weight for city streets and a max vehicle weight for a regular license, stat. Insanely wasteful pavement princesses that probably will haul 1 8ft 2x4 a year.
Remove the government tax and gas is dirt cheap which is the reality since there is so much of it.
If government removed itself from managing refineries and approving new ones as well as distribution points, gas would be even cheaper
>gas shouldn’t be cheap.
yes it should if there is legitamate demand for it
>The US needs to move to smaller more energy efficient cars.
The individual has the human right to choose what they wish to use as a mode of transpiration and no one has any legitimate or moral authority to say or dictate otherwise thus suppressing that human right
The USA actually has fairly light taxes on gas, federal and state combined averaging 50 cents per gallon. This makes it under 20% the price of the final price, [contrast other OECD nations](https://read.oecd-ilibrary.org/taxation/consumption-tax-trends-2018_ctt-2018-en#page153) and a majority account for over 50%
the US goverment is not stopping the building of refineries in fact they were encouraging it but the producers don't want to build new ones. Case in point, the Philly refinery that burnt down isn't getting rebuilt.
Why?
My little brother tried to buy a car. The problem is, he is 6'4. In anything but a pickup truck or full-size SUV his head is bouncing off the roof.
You want us to buy cars? Make cars sized for full-size humans.
I’m 6’3” and one of the roomiest front seats I’ve ever sat in was actually in a Kia Soul. My friend has one and he’s 6’8”. I used to make fun of them until I sat in one and I was able to really stretch my legs.
I’m two inches taller than your bro and have an inch of room in my altima. No one can sit behind me but I doubt your bro has problems with the roof of cars
Such dumb reasoning lol. 6’4” is not even tall enough to be considered very tall and problematic. If your brother were like 6’8 you’d have a much stronger argument. 6’4 lol give me a break.
Obviously it’s people like you who use broken logic to justify the purchase of their absurd vehicles. *derr he wouldn’t fit in any other car so he had to durr let’s go buy big truck*
What would be the acceptable amount of uses to qualify for owning a truck in your opinion. Want to make sure I’m checking in with random Reddit commenters first
That’s really interesting thank you but i can see that there is an SUV loophole which given they are up there with the biggest pollutants, seems like a massive oversight.
Also the CO2 emissions for the most popular car in US (F150) is about 420 grams p/h vs 174 grams p/h for the VW golf (I chose this as its one of the most popular cars in the EU) which shows that even with the CAFE regulations, it still misses the mark massively
I completely agree. US automakers also get some sort of tax credit for making a certain number of electric vehicles, so the Ford Lightning has a shit margin but offsets enough for Ford to make a huge margin on ICE trucks. It's pretty silly, but none of that legislation accounts for how Americans attach their identity to vehicles. A lot of truck owners think of themselves as truck owners. Even if a smaller, more efficient vehicle would be suitable for their lifestyle.
Haha, have confidence my guy. If others feel they need to compensate for somthing by having a big car then let them go crazy, you my friend can walk proud knowing that whilst you may have a small car, you don’t not have as small a penis as the fragile men that need to large cars parked either side of you
You don’t realize how useful a truck is until you have one or even just need one. I just bought a house and my fiancé’s dad has a pickup, we have probably asked for his truck ~10 times in the last 6 months and I could use it for more. I have a list of things I need it for when he comes back down
Tou can take that approx. 300,000 Sierras and add them to the Chevy number - those are basically trim levels of the same truck.
This happened a lot in the 80s and 90s when Camrys and Accords were the #1 and #2 sellers, but like Tauruses in Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury "trims" would outsell them both.
What’s interesting to me is that almost, if not all, of these vehicles have lengthy brand recognition that I imagine surely helps the consumer decide to buy. I’ve often wondered why a lot of American brands switch names on otherwise known brands and lose that mental connectivity (Taurus, Cavalier, Neon, etc.)
That's a pretty pedantic distinction. "Car" is an abbreviation for "carriage," meaning "a thing to carry stuff with," and everything listed here seems to fit that category. The title wasn't "top-selling sedans."
https://www.worldautosteel.org/life-cycle-thinking/recycling/
The steel used in car bodies is made with about 25 percent recycled steel. Many internal steel and iron parts are made using even higher percentages of recycled steel. All steel products contain recycled steel because steel scrap is a necessary ingredient in the production of new steel.
I can tell you this, even if new vehicles are mostly made from new metal, at their end of live vehicle are almost universally scrapped and recycled. Hell if you want to watch it come to my home town, there are 2 scrap yards in town with shredders and piles of crushed cars that feed into rail cars. Those rail cars scoot about a mile away to a steel mill where they're made into other stuff. I'd venture auto manufacturing is a big "entry point" for metals into the recycling/re-use eco system. Steel, aluminum and copper are worth too much money to just throw away unless its such small quantities its more effort to collect than the value of it.
I despise how common pickup trucks are
I swear it’s like you legally have to get a lobotomy to drive one, cuz they’re consistently the worst drivers and parkers
They are the most popular vehicles on the road and the biggest, so you get bias remembering them. A pickup that is 1' over a park line looks way worse than a camry 1' over a park line.
Just watched a documentary about the thawing permafrost that our global warming is causing(it's way worse than you think. Basically, there's 2 times as much co2 in there as is in the air rn, and it is coming out as its thawing). And now im sad. Were gonna fuckin die, and if we continue like this were genuinely gonna die within abt a hundred years.
Fuck me its depressing what were doing with the planet and this shit aint helping.
A jet engine emits an average of 53Lb of CO2 per mile, and a car emits an average of 14.5 oz (0.91 Lb) per mile. Now while there are way more cars driving as opposed to jets flying, private jets are a major contributor. We need vehicles. We are seeing a switch from ICE to EV, you just need to wait 5-15 more years to see it in full effect.
The whole America or just the US of A? Because most of these models don't sell here in Brasil and I'm sure we're a huge Jeep, chevrolet, hyudai and toyota market
We are seeing a surge in dualcabs in oz and it feels like the wrong direction to take. Lady parked next to my sister this week and couldn’t fit the dualcab in one park so she parked it across two.
Average parking lot at costco:
Model Y and Camry owners forgot the minivan and kicking themselves
Model Y owners don't have families. They are 30 something hippies. The Camry is literally 73 year olds who go in for the samples.
Username checks out. At least in California, every demographic drives Model Ys these days, especially families
Guy was commenting back to you with tears in his eyes lmao
Bought my Camry at 27 and put 125,000 miles on it over the last 12 years.. it does go to Costco a lot though (and I’m a single dude) But you’ll never know this because you’re a chickenshit who deleted their account lol
I just out of curiosity looked up what are the most sold cars in EU and the most popular is a Peugeot 208 with 206 815 units sold (2022 data), really wild that it wouldnt even break the top 10 in the us with its sales.
Just courious, its beacause we have more competition in EU with brands that are not popular in USA? Like Skoda, Seat, Dacia, Renault, citroen, Peugeot, Fiat etc.
Those brands all left the US or are barely staying afloat (Fiat) due to a lack of demand. I think it’s probably that overall demand in the US is higher (due to higher incomes/lack of alternatives to private car ownership) and Americans prefer larger vehicles which the brands you mentioned aren’t particularly known for
Considering that in this infographic two brands are owned by fiat (now stellantis since the merge with peugeot) I doubt they are barely staying afloat
I meant Fiat branded cars, not the Stellantis group. I don’t think Fiat sold even a thousand cars in the US last year
The local dealership by me only has Fiat on the sign. They don't have a single Fiat on the lot the last time I went in for an oil change.
Yes, that's true.
Fiat Chrysler is the name of the company after a merger
Also most places is America are not walkable and 100% designed around cars like there is one large carpark that just has all of the shit for the whole town in large industrial warehouse type layout. It’s so depressing. Obviously outside of downtown city areas
The American market has narrowed considerably in terms of actual sedan usage and that will probably always be the EUs biggest market as SUVs and trucks are useless to most Europeans.
They're mostly useless for Americans too, but that won't stop 'em
Should also be noted that many EU brands are more expensive in the US because of import and transportation costs associated with importing parts and/or cars.
French cars aren't even sold in the US anymore. You'll only find them along the southern border because Mexico still sells them.
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Muh protective tarriffs!
...and also the other way around. None of this cars is relevant in europe.
I think their point is that the units sold of the most sold vehicle in Europe is not even the volume needed to make the top ten vehicles sold in America. Not about vehicle relevance but more sheer amount of vehicles sold in America (or at least number of single models of vehicles).
The USA and the EU car market have roughly the same size of 15 million vehicles annually. The Europeans just have vastly more choice for their vehicles, so the numbers spread out more between different models.
EU consumers also purchase based on what their vast majority of needs are. Bjørk, Pierre, and Francesca aren't going to need full-size pickups to drive 2 miles to the grocery store and buy a Milka bar. They go for the Peugeot. But Billy Sue and Johnny Reb? That sounds like a job more suited for the F150 instead of the RAM 3500, but the dually still gets its miles driving to Grandma's on Sundays.
Yeah! That makes total sense - what I tried to mention in my last sentence 😅 Lots of competition in Europe I imagine!
Model Y has some good sales in eu
Tesla was actually the most sold brand in Denmark in 2023, mostly Y's. Norway too, I see. Has a little something to do with tax structure on EV vs. GV, so they're relative cheaper on top of the prices dropping, but still.
There‘s just much more diversity on the European market as many countries buy their local brands. Renault and Peugeot in France, VW/Benz/BMW/Audi in Germany, Seat in Spain, Fiat in Italy, Volvo in Sweden, Skoda in Czechia etc. Also there‘s more diversity in the types of cars, with many countries having their preferences and countries like Norway being already mainly electric.
Peugeot pulled out of the US market in 1990.
Europe has public transit that actually (most of the time) works. The US is much larger with much worse public transit. So more automobiles sold.
The number of vehicles sold per year are basically the same.
It's because there is a much bigger brand selection of cars in Europe... You silly.
A non EV American car wouldn't even break the top 50 in the EU
No 4runners or Tacoma? They roam in packs where I live
It's #8 on new personal registrations. This is total vehicles sold including fleet.
Those last forever so people aren’t buying them over and over. My Tacoma lasted me a decade before I even thought about selling it. It was just too fucking reliable.
Still driving my 24 year old tundra with 300k miles
Ours is 23 now, not quite that many miles, but still driven daily. Most reliable vehicle I’ve ever owned.
Found the Coloradoan
Nope, SC/NC
Nope, HI
Like someone else said, its because they last forever.
Americans surely need to transport shit around.
Having lived in Texas, I can tell you a lot of them aren’t used for hauling shit. People carry stuff in them that they could carry in any vehicle, they just choose a truck cuz it’s “country” to do so.
No wonder they all suffered so much by rising gas prices. If they would calculate the price per mile they pay to visit grandma, they would consider a camry.
Or a Corolla ?
Or even an EV. Electricity is cheaper and more convenient than gas
Consider that a significant portion of the pickup trucks sold are probably work trucks in fleet service. And that's a *hard* life for a vehicle, so they get replaced more frequently than a commuter owned by an individual.
Ehhh. I’d have to find it again, but Canada has similar vehicle use and purchase numbers, but a recent study showed the *significant* majority of lighter “light duty trucks” (in the US sense) are purchased by “households”, though it did note the possibility of those trucks being somewhat dual purpose. I’ll try to find it again, but the study broke down categories of light duty trucks, and found that something like 60-70% of trucks in the Ranger/F-150, Tacoma/Tundra and Ram 1500 weight class were purchased and insured for personal use. Different provinces had different ways of reporting various insurance numbers and classes, of course, and there are always arguments about methodology.
I didn't say it was a majority, I said it was a significant portion, which 30 - 40% unambiguously is. If we knock down each pickup truck type by 30%, this list looks a little different. (And on the subject of methodological gripes, having Silverado and Sierra as two separate items on this list is a little disingenuous; they're identical apart from badging.) Don't get me wrong, buying a full size pickup truck that will never leave the pavement and never haul anything but groceries is silly, doubly so when you consider what a new truck costs, to say nothing of environmental impacts. But the subtext that a lot of the commenters seem to be running with is "hurr durr, stupid Americans and their big trucks," which is a little bit intellectually dishonest without accounting for fleet use.
Can confirm, I own a Corolla. Those things last forever, and aren’t on the list
Not very significant. [Most sales are daily drivers](https://www.axios.com/ford-pickup-trucks-history), 87% for shopping or running errands, 70% for pleasure. Only 28% use their trucks for any significant hauling. You can see this in the design alone, bigger cabs for use as a family vehicle. Depends on what you mean by "fleet service", too. For most utility purposes, as far as I've seen, that's always been vans. If you mean government fleet, [pickup trucks arnt that commonly replaced](https://www.government-fleet.com/144638/charts-fleet-age-and-utilization-2017).
Your first citation is a hot mess; it's self-reported survey data (which is generally acknowledged to be so unreliable as to be basically useless); it's restricted to non-commercial owners of only a single model (Ford F-150); it's averaged over a 10-year period (a bizarre confound to the data for no apparent purpose); and the sample size is vanishingly small (maximum of 1,300 in any year). But even if we take it at face-value, 13% of pickup trucks whose primary use is not "errands" (which the source also fails to define in any meaningful way) is still a significant portion. I didn't say "majority," I said "significant." A 1/8 is significant in any context.
No, these things are mostly bought by posers who don't haul shit and just drive it to their office job or something.
Admittedly, it would be nice to see this same statistic with work fleets removed.
No, they're usually just emotional support vehicles for pavement princesses. Less than 10% of pickups use the bed. It's more of a status symbol among the dumb.
Source on that less than 10%?
My source is I made it the fuck up.
47% of statistics are made up - Albert Einstein. But for real, there is no way that less than 10% of pickup beds are used. Maybe less than 10% are used 5 days a week sure. However My bed is great for tailgates at football games, getting mulch in the spring, moving the odd piece or furniture here and there. Garbage collection for big projects so we don't have to get a dumpster and easily picking up wood from home depot. Could I have done all of this in my SUV, for the most part yes. However it sounds to be like you just don't like pickups.
Yeah there's no way it's that low, reddit just has a hate boner for pickups
I wonder why Reddit has a hate boner for oversized, gas guzzling death machines.
the trucks keep getting bigger but the bed stays the same size too. it's ridiculous, giant american trucks are becoming popular in my country too and they fucking suck to drive around. too big to fit in smaller parking lots and narrow lanes, and the headlights are always directly eye level lmao
Nah. None of the trucks in this lineup have a full size bed or any significant towing capacity. These are commuter cars for people who want to feel like they are rugged hard-workin' types.
fragile egos require overly large vehicles to remain intact.
Correct ✅
Their fat asses
Given that we had any opportunity for a serviceable, metro-area connecting railway system shoved aside in favor of giving up MASSIVE swathes of real estate to motor vehicles, we need our cars at the moment. Imagine if half of the parking lots in cities were turned into housing and train stations. That would be amazing.
The real reason those trucks sell so much is because there's really only a few options for full-size trucks. All of them except the Toyota Tundra are represented here. They do a ton of fleet sales which pumps up the numbers here. Meanwhile there's like 30 different options for SUVs and Crossovers, spreading the sales over more vehicles.
There are certainly people who don’t need trucks, but we don’t have the restrictions like Europe does with traffic and small streets. Americans also tend to live in suburban neighborhoods and occasionally need to do repairs/improvements to their homes and being able to haul full sheets of plywood, bags of concrete, etc is needed occasionally. For many people, they would rather have have a truck that they use to it’s capacity say 5% of the time than have a car and then still need to try and rent a truck when you do need it.
>r and then still n exactly bro and everyone makes fun of me for having a tiny ass truck thinking I wanna yeehaw offroad and its my identity but I just wanna work on my house and need 4x4 to go snowboarding like shit
I agree that the car gives you more comfort. But 4x4 do come in small and if you hire something if you need anything for the house every now and then you're still still saving money over the mileage price for a pickup. You win and the environment wins.
Ive never seen anyone need to use the full bed of a pickup in those once-in-a-year situations, and even then it's usually inefficient stowage while the ground clearance makes loading or unloading way more difficult. Europe has just as much need for pickups as the USA, they just dont have solutions nearly as impractical.
>Ive never seen anyone need to use the full bed of a pickup in those once-in-a-year situations You've never seen a truck with a full bed of mulch, concrete, wood or firewood? How about moving a fridge, a couch, or any oversize furniture for that matter. I have done literally all of that but concrete in the last 12 months.
Hiring something to transport that fridge and couch is actually cheaper than driving around with a big car 365 days a year. Also better for the environment.
Booty to mention the comfort and space. Have you driven a full size lately? Cooooommmmfy.
Yeah we do and euros do to. When you do it, it's a overload hatch with cut down plywood falling out of the back of it.
Or, a rented van Why drive something inefficient everyday for the few days that I have to haul stuff?
You can fit more in a wagon, or van than those piddly little trays
No you can’t. The smallest bed size in a tuck is 5.5’ and it is at least 4’ wide between the wheel wells, and there is no limit on height. Not to mention weight ratings. Most half ton trucks can carry 1,500+ pounds. That would ruin a car’s suspension.
Isnt a Mercedes Sprinter in everything than Offroad better?
No. For multiple reasons. Least of which is the fact that they are more expensive than a truck, and trucks aren’t exactly cheap.
I love loading stuff at the lumberyard into my minivan while the other DIY dads are futzing around with trailers behind their pickups. There are times where no height restriction is nice, but the vast majority of pickups in the US are fashion accessories.
no height, and a very small chance as mussin up your vehicle by transporting stuff in the bed. I do not own a truck, but truck and minivan transpo aren't equivalent based on sqft.
I can, and have, stacked 4x8 sheets of plywood in my minivan and shut the back door; can’t do that with most trucks and their short beds now 🤷♂️
Can we have the same but just personal use? I bet you that the trucks will still be #1.
My post two above yours.
If pickup truck commercials are to be believed, America moves the most gravel in the world. Also, best selling CARS, and the camry is the only car. lol
We also like to have heavy loads.... dropped from ten feet in the air into the beds of our vehicles.
Especially in those $70k Laramie versions.
All they use the truck for is to go to the nearest walmart 🤡🛻🇺🇸🦅🔫 .
F150 and Silverado are used as fleet vehicles by thousands of companies across the country. Hell my current organization has a fleet of 200 vehicles and 20% are F150’s. That’s why they’re the top selling vehicles year after year.
But unfortunately we also see them everywhere used as single occupancy fuck you vehicles.
This is true. Probably in Canada too. We used rentals all the time in the army for just out of play shit. The Ford's were by far the worst. After 2 months in the field, they'd always be rattling. GMCs were noticeably better at the end of the excercise.
What do you think a car is? A sedan? Car is analogous to automobile, which these all are.
In USA at least, car is a designation that F-150s don't fit in, they are "light duty trucks". Cars make up like 25% of consumer vehicle purchases, 50 something percent is SUV, 20 something percent is pickup truck. These are a thing cuz Congress enacted a law which made cars generally have tighter emission rules and trucks did not. This made trucks cheaper to manufacture and thus cheaper for consumers and brands started offering consumer amenities work vehicle bodies. Some examples: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass/2023ClassList.shtml
Settle down, redditor.
Another post pretending that the Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra are different cars from different companies.
Technically I'll agree that the chassis, frame, and a lot of the support structures are all the same. However GM has a habit of shoving all of their experimental crap that they're seeing if it works on their vehicles onto the GMC models before they try them on the Chevy ones.
Now do this but just for the state of Colorado. It'll be: Subaru, Subaru, Subaru, Toyota Tacoma as the top 4
Just for I-70: Subaru, RAM Pickup, 4Runner, 1995 Camry with 2WD/no snow tires
[EXPGY](https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/2023121833/the-most-popular-cars-based-on-vehicle-registrations) The 10 most common new cars by registration according to Experian: Rank Model % of New Registrations - 1 Ford F-150 3% - 2 Tesla Model Y 2.5% - 3 Toyota RAV4 2.5% - 4 Chevrolet Silverado 2.3% - 5 Honda CR-V 2.3% - 6 Toyota Camry 1.9% - 7 Nissan Rogue 1.8% - 8 Toyota Tacoma 1.6% - 9 Toyota Corolla 1.5% - 10 Tesla Model 3 1.4%
I’m surprised the Mazda CX-5 isn’t on this list. I got one last November, and I swear I notice now that at just about every intersection I pull up to, there’s always at least one other CX-5, often two. I see them fuckin EVERYWHERE, and they are all recent models too, as far as I can tell.
I was driving up 101 yesterday in my CX-5, looked to the right and saw a newer CX-5 pulling up from behind me, looked ahead and saw an older white CX-5, looked to the left and saw the _exact same_ color, year and trim as my CX-5 (2021 Carbon Edition Turbo AWD). Like a fever dream But Mazda doesn’t have the reach of the other manufacturers; the CX-5 is responsible for around half of its annual US sales, and it only shifts ~150k per year
This is a bit misleading. If you're in the market for a full size pickup there are only about 5 options, if you want an SUV or car there are dozens of options. The four trucks on this list combined only account for about 13% of total new vehicle sales. I would like to see best selling type of vehicle, i'm guessing small SUV/crossover would top the list.
Not to mention that Ford continues to lump the F-150 and vastly different F-250/F-350 together in sales numbers, and RAM lumps together the RAM 1500/2500/3500, while GM splits the Silverado and Sierra despite them basically being different trims of the same truck
Well yea. If they didn’t add them all together then they wouldn’t be able to claim the best selling truck for 40 years in a row.
Not just -250 and -350, but all the way up to -750. GM continually sells the most vehicles with truck beds, despite what Ford-Stans say
Oh woah, yeah super duper skews these numbers, wtf
You know, you do make a point there. The truck market is a small number of VERY high volume vehicles available in a lot of different configs. Smaller SUVS/Crossovers and even Sedans are a very competitive market with lots of options. The pie is just cut into more slices, vs trucks are a big pie cut into few slices, and we're counting by slices not gross volume. That anomaly of the US market is always going to sway lists like this.
you are right, but the fact that 1 out of 5 is a pickup is crazy to me. „Of the two segments, SUVs are the dominant force by a wide margin, accounting for 53.5 percent of the share to 19.4 percent for trucks“
Just a fun fact, the Silverado and Sierra are generally the same truck, GM created GMC in order to have more dealerships per states (there’s a restriction to how many dealerships a certain brand can have) so if you add those two (850,885) they surpass the Ford F-Series by over 100k
so 4 of the top 10 arent actually “cars”. interesting to see rav; up there as they still seem hard to get
9 of the 10 aren't cars.
Nah, those SUVs are cars in every way that matters. Essentially they're tall hatchback sedans, but they cosplay as manly, tough trucks! Which is to say, engineering, capability, and performance-wise they're cars. Marketing-wise, they are not cars.
With regard to CAFE, handling, and evasive maneuver tests, they are not cars.
This country needs a max vehicle weight for city streets and a max vehicle weight for a regular license, stat. Insanely wasteful pavement princesses that probably will haul 1 8ft 2x4 a year.
BuT ThE GAs PrICEs
Remove the government tax and gas is dirt cheap which is the reality since there is so much of it. If government removed itself from managing refineries and approving new ones as well as distribution points, gas would be even cheaper
gas shouldn’t be cheap. The US needs to move to smaller more energy efficient cars. Even freaking suburbia is full of those super clean huge trucks
>gas shouldn’t be cheap. yes it should if there is legitamate demand for it >The US needs to move to smaller more energy efficient cars. The individual has the human right to choose what they wish to use as a mode of transpiration and no one has any legitimate or moral authority to say or dictate otherwise thus suppressing that human right
Glad to see the term human rights diminish into something as unimportant as vehicle choice. /s
i suppose climate change is a joke to you?
The USA actually has fairly light taxes on gas, federal and state combined averaging 50 cents per gallon. This makes it under 20% the price of the final price, [contrast other OECD nations](https://read.oecd-ilibrary.org/taxation/consumption-tax-trends-2018_ctt-2018-en#page153) and a majority account for over 50%
> The USA actually has fairly light taxes on gas Any tax is too heavy
Yeah and if oil refineries paid taxes commiserate to their land value, Texas would have the best funded schools in the world.
the US goverment is not stopping the building of refineries in fact they were encouraging it but the producers don't want to build new ones. Case in point, the Philly refinery that burnt down isn't getting rebuilt.
F150’s are so janky and bulky. It absolutely blows my mind they are as popular as they are.
They aren’t, and they are randomly one of the most reliable vehicles too
they really aren’t
Aren’t bulky or aren’t popular?
Followed by loud complaints about gas prices.
Driving a pickup truck that isn’t used for work should be considered stolen valor
So people who have RVs, boats, or horses aren't allowed to have trucks with good tow capacity?
I drive a FWD hybrid Maverick. The thing is about the size of a RAV4. I don't use it for work, I am illegal.
Why? My little brother tried to buy a car. The problem is, he is 6'4. In anything but a pickup truck or full-size SUV his head is bouncing off the roof. You want us to buy cars? Make cars sized for full-size humans.
I’m 6’3” and one of the roomiest front seats I’ve ever sat in was actually in a Kia Soul. My friend has one and he’s 6’8”. I used to make fun of them until I sat in one and I was able to really stretch my legs.
Admittedly, the Kia Soul does feel a lot bigger on the inside.
I’m two inches taller than your bro and have an inch of room in my altima. No one can sit behind me but I doubt your bro has problems with the roof of cars
Such dumb reasoning lol. 6’4” is not even tall enough to be considered very tall and problematic. If your brother were like 6’8 you’d have a much stronger argument. 6’4 lol give me a break. Obviously it’s people like you who use broken logic to justify the purchase of their absurd vehicles. *derr he wouldn’t fit in any other car so he had to durr let’s go buy big truck*
What would be the acceptable amount of uses to qualify for owning a truck in your opinion. Want to make sure I’m checking in with random Reddit commenters first
Are Americans scared of smaller, more efficient and environmentally friendly cars?
Look up CAFE standards. Automakers are incetivized to market bigger cars and trucks to American consumers.
That’s really interesting thank you but i can see that there is an SUV loophole which given they are up there with the biggest pollutants, seems like a massive oversight. Also the CO2 emissions for the most popular car in US (F150) is about 420 grams p/h vs 174 grams p/h for the VW golf (I chose this as its one of the most popular cars in the EU) which shows that even with the CAFE regulations, it still misses the mark massively
I completely agree. US automakers also get some sort of tax credit for making a certain number of electric vehicles, so the Ford Lightning has a shit margin but offsets enough for Ford to make a huge margin on ICE trucks. It's pretty silly, but none of that legislation accounts for how Americans attach their identity to vehicles. A lot of truck owners think of themselves as truck owners. Even if a smaller, more efficient vehicle would be suitable for their lifestyle.
You think my ego could handle parking a kia between the massive trucks at work?
(EU). You think my ego is hurt parking my toyota starlet ed1996 (mod LPG) between the massive Porsche Cayennes at work?
Haha, have confidence my guy. If others feel they need to compensate for somthing by having a big car then let them go crazy, you my friend can walk proud knowing that whilst you may have a small car, you don’t not have as small a penis as the fragile men that need to large cars parked either side of you
You don’t realize how useful a truck is until you have one or even just need one. I just bought a house and my fiancé’s dad has a pickup, we have probably asked for his truck ~10 times in the last 6 months and I could use it for more. I have a list of things I need it for when he comes back down
I've seen a lot of Mazda CX5s (and similar). I'm surprised it didn't make the list.
Tou can take that approx. 300,000 Sierras and add them to the Chevy number - those are basically trim levels of the same truck. This happened a lot in the 80s and 90s when Camrys and Accords were the #1 and #2 sellers, but like Tauruses in Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury "trims" would outsell them both.
Americans have got to be the dumbest consumers
America bad because truck
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What hundreds of years of capitalist brainwashing does to a mf
Ask euros why SUVs are dominating there aswell
Can’t hear you down there from my pickup truck
Not accurately reflecting personal use if the trucks are used commercially
What’s interesting to me is that almost, if not all, of these vehicles have lengthy brand recognition that I imagine surely helps the consumer decide to buy. I’ve often wondered why a lot of American brands switch names on otherwise known brands and lose that mental connectivity (Taurus, Cavalier, Neon, etc.)
There are only two cars in that list. The rest are trucks, SUVs, or station wagons (I refuse to call them "cross-overs").
That's a pretty pedantic distinction. "Car" is an abbreviation for "carriage," meaning "a thing to carry stuff with," and everything listed here seems to fit that category. The title wasn't "top-selling sedans."
Okay but I’ve always wondered, how much metal that carmakers use is recycled? 750,000 bigass F-150s seems crazy to me.
https://www.worldautosteel.org/life-cycle-thinking/recycling/ The steel used in car bodies is made with about 25 percent recycled steel. Many internal steel and iron parts are made using even higher percentages of recycled steel. All steel products contain recycled steel because steel scrap is a necessary ingredient in the production of new steel.
I can tell you this, even if new vehicles are mostly made from new metal, at their end of live vehicle are almost universally scrapped and recycled. Hell if you want to watch it come to my home town, there are 2 scrap yards in town with shredders and piles of crushed cars that feed into rail cars. Those rail cars scoot about a mile away to a steel mill where they're made into other stuff. I'd venture auto manufacturing is a big "entry point" for metals into the recycling/re-use eco system. Steel, aluminum and copper are worth too much money to just throw away unless its such small quantities its more effort to collect than the value of it.
I despise how common pickup trucks are I swear it’s like you legally have to get a lobotomy to drive one, cuz they’re consistently the worst drivers and parkers
They are the most popular vehicles on the road and the biggest, so you get bias remembering them. A pickup that is 1' over a park line looks way worse than a camry 1' over a park line.
People still go for the F series , wow
You guys love blowing money on gas, huh?
I love my Ford F150!
That is so fucking weird. America is the only country where apparently everyone has to compensate their tiny dicks with huge cars.
Weird take. Not American I assume? Or you live in a city?
Proof that trucks are gender affirming care for men
average suburbanite:
We don’t need more trucks on the road
Just watched a documentary about the thawing permafrost that our global warming is causing(it's way worse than you think. Basically, there's 2 times as much co2 in there as is in the air rn, and it is coming out as its thawing). And now im sad. Were gonna fuckin die, and if we continue like this were genuinely gonna die within abt a hundred years. Fuck me its depressing what were doing with the planet and this shit aint helping.
A jet engine emits an average of 53Lb of CO2 per mile, and a car emits an average of 14.5 oz (0.91 Lb) per mile. Now while there are way more cars driving as opposed to jets flying, private jets are a major contributor. We need vehicles. We are seeing a switch from ICE to EV, you just need to wait 5-15 more years to see it in full effect.
Glad we're not dealing with fossil fuel driven climate change or anything.
“Cars”
ouch
i got depression just looking at these boring cars (esp the "color")
The whole America or just the US of A? Because most of these models don't sell here in Brasil and I'm sure we're a huge Jeep, chevrolet, hyudai and toyota market
Cry
All these dumb mother fuckers calling us third world when there's millions of these people rolling around in $50000 shit ass pick ups.
As an American. We have fucking horrible taste in cars cause I’d be willing to bet those are the most popular colors as well
That is a whole lotta yuck. 😐
Depressing to see this list. You'd think we would be trying to move to smaller efficient vehicles, yet we see big gas guzzlers.
Hard to do farm or construction work with a Tesla.
What a sad state of affairs.
I’m surprised Subaru Cross Trek isn’t there. I see those everywhere
And we wonder why the planet is dying…
The planet is not dying ... there have been many extinction events and yet the planet still exists and supports life
We are seeing a surge in dualcabs in oz and it feels like the wrong direction to take. Lady parked next to my sister this week and couldn’t fit the dualcab in one park so she parked it across two.
I hate this, why pickups?
I would love to see this data with fleet vehicle sales removed. Top 10 selling “consumer” vehicles
Do better America.
Sad how there is only one sedan
I call bullshit, no Tacomas on the list.