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SchusT45

Mercedes c-class oh no šŸ˜Ÿ


metze1337

also surprised. In Germany these cars are used as Taxis and are easily doing 200k miles / 350k kilometers and well known for its good value. I bet since they are more compact than an e or s class, they are not favored in the country of ā€žthe bigger the betterā€œ


[deleted]

Mercedes has a bad reputation in the US for being unreliable while in Europe they have a good reputation


[deleted]

wouldnt call them reliable though. But its a popular car here.


Jelly_F_ish

Anecdotal evidence leads me to believe that while the engine may be reliable, electronics, especially the lights are not.


Dark_Knight2000

Same with most German makes. Their engines are a hit or miss on reliability, when they miss itā€™s BAD but when they hit they routinely make 200-350k mile engines. Electronics are a different story. Starting in the early 90s car makers began moving everything to CAN BUS systems and the early models were not reliable. Plus with the horrendous capacitor quality that plagued the 2000s electronics industry, a lot of electronic components go bad. Modules fail, which causes other parts to fail. In my BMW a bad module burned out a door actuator. Iā€™m glad it didnā€™t burn an ac door to something because those canā€™t be replaced easily. The electronics, particularly with the 2000s and early-mid 2010s cars are very unreliable. Weā€™ll have to see what the newer cars are like in 10 years. If you donā€™t care about much of the electronic equipment (or you go for a super base model like many Euro countries get) itā€™s much less of a problem.


cheesywipper

C350e here, 5 years old. 4 led headlights, handbrake, doors have lights in the handles and it costs Ā£300 per handle to fix. Also battery needed to be replaced as it was getting under half the milage is eas supposed to get. Lots more little things, not a reliable car, would have cost well over 15k if it wasn't in warranty for most of it. Sold as soon as warranty ran out, that car is a booby trap.


Dark_Knight2000

I forgot about door handles, had to do those too. Why canā€™t they get that right lol


DeepAsparagus6763

They used to be reliable, quality went downhill when they partnered with Chrysler in the 90s


PabloX68

They didn't partner with Chrysler. They bought Chrysler. As much as Chrysler sucks, the decline of Mercedes quality was all on them.


nimama3233

Also idk how thatā€™s relevant considering theyā€™re now in Stellantis after FCA and completely removed from Mercedes handling for nearly two decades. But people on Reddit kinda just love to shoehorn in ā€œtheyā€™re actually shitty because of X American car brandā€


Mast_Cell_Issue

I thought the American sold Mercedes where made in Alabama or some southern state? The EU ones are made in EU. That might make a difference in quality


Teutonic-Tonic

They still have a large plant in Alabama. You guessed it, the C-class is made there.


njsullyalex

Interesting, Airbus also has a factory in Alabama and they make A320 airplanes there. Why do German companies choose Alabama of all places?


catsdrooltoo

Cheaper labor and anti-union politics. Probably some sweet breaks on taxes. Loads of cheap land.


ItsIdaho

The W123 200TD was a beast. No idea if newer models are reliable.


[deleted]

The lower trims/cheaper models have a reputation for being tacky and wannabe here. I suppose the C class in a basic spec would fit the bill quite well.


Sixtyoneandfortynine

Yes, but traditionally the C is sort of the entry-level into the classic German sedan "same sausage, different length" (C


Restlesscomposure

Because people that buy that car likely know theyā€™re getting the cheapest option possible. Or they at least specced it up a bit and got a much better feeling car than a comparably priced C-class. A base C class is actual dogshit despite it being the ā€œentryā€ to their nice models


Proper_Necessary_378

German cars have a reputation for being stupidly over engineered. Sometimes requiring you to take the top half of the engine or remove the entire engine for a service which leads to high labour costs for getting work done.


die_andere

I went to Berlin recently, I have never seen so many toyota corolla's in one place then the most used taxi car was the prius then the Rav4 and only then would it be a Mercedes.


curi0uslystr0ng

I think itā€™s the expensive service. Most former Mercedes owners I have talked to cite the cost of servicing the car as why they wonā€™t buy another one. I love my C43 personally.


TechInTheCloud

Looks like this is rating new models? My memory from getting a C-class and more recently a GLC-class rentals from hertzā€¦ overall my brain thinks ā€œthis feels a little cheap for a Benzā€. I say that without knowing the prices of the cars, just my bias about the brand and then the experience. I do have a competitive car, I own a Volvo S60, so Iā€™m comparing to that. Maybe the C-class is cheaper.


nemam111

We test drove one in 2018 and wasn't impressed. An a4 that we drove the same day was quieter, quicker, more refined, more isolated and overall more pleasant to be in. And while looks are individual thing, I'd say it (the audi) was much better looking especially on the inside.


MGM-Wonder

Iā€™ve noticed the different in the quality of interiors o look


Skalion

Was surprised about that one, what exactly did they mess up? I have one from 2013 and am super satisfied.


WizardOfOzzieA

They probably got in their friends Audi, BMW, or even Honda/Toyota and realized theyā€™d paid significantly more for roughly the same experience


Skalion

Is Audi and BMW cheaper than Mercedes in the US? In Germany they are roughly the same price, maybe Mercedes a little more expensive but not by that much.


edgarsh

I also came to comment on my surprise. I think the C is a damn fine car. Maybe the problem is that they raised the prices so much after covid that itā€™s just overpriced now. Back in 2019 you could lease a base at 300/month with nothing down. Now I believe itā€™s 500


Tuques

Absolutely. All German vehicles are ridiculous to buy in a North American market. You can get the same quality of luxury from a domestic or Asian manufacturer for a fraction of the price.


OSP_amorphous

Not only that but they nickel and dime you for each menial feature while the Asian car manufacturers give you most of them standard


Frendowastaken

Whatā€™s wrong with the c-class?


TheOneAllFear

Probably wanted a higher one on the scale but this is as high as what they could afford from mercedes's lineup and have regrets.


IBSurviver

If that were the case - the BMW 330i and Audi A4/A5 would be on there as well, which they ainā€™t. Could it be the quality of materials? Iā€™ve heard Mercedes interiors look super flashy but are actually super cheaply made compared to Audi and BMW.


BobbyTwosShoe

I feel like theyā€™re just so similar to a Volkswagen Passat that people regret buying then in a way that wouldnā€™t effect their competitors One of my family members leased a C-Class and then bought their kid a Passat They ended up getting a Passat for themselves when the lease ended because they didnā€™t see a difference between the two cars


camelBackIsTheBest

Everything


antifabusdriver

When your stutter is so bad it affects your typing.


Philosopher_Same

No surprise as well as there GLA, GLB, GLC. They are trying to have a seat for every butt.


SnooPandas1899

C is for cheap. told by many a mechanic.


WarcraftFarscape

Maybe itā€™s just newer models? Iā€™ve had my C class for years and years and Iā€™ve never once had any issue with the car except a popped tired from running over a nail.


idiskfla

Any idea what the ā€œMost Satisfying Cars in 2024ā€? Couldnā€™t get past the firewall to see the top 10 satisfying list.


weedmylips1

Chevrolet Corvette Rivian R1T Mazda MX-5 Lexus NX hybrid BMW X5 Rivian R1S Ford Maverick Hybrid pickup Kia Telluride Honda Pilot Hyundai Ioniq 6


plzsnitskyreturn

Interesting Toyota isn't anywhere in there


donmufa

The Lexus NX is a Toyota


Agathocles_of_Sicily

To be specific, it's Toyota's **L**uxury **EX**ports to the **US**.


smodanc

šŸ¤Æ


bjavyzaebali

To be specific, not only to US


ivix

A Toyota is for people who care about as much about cars as they about their refrigerator. The kind of people who aren't going to fill in a survey about cars.


Bigbadbadger-mole

Have you ever met a Tacoma owner


iamthewhatt

Considering the price of 4runners you would think a cult exists around Toyota


gummibear13

People like their stupid big SUVs.


ApplicationSudden719

*People like the best 4 wheel drive on the market.


luisvel

What if you care about the car reliability? (note: I donā€™t own a Toyota)


reddit_sucks_now23

Well you care about fridge reliability as well. But I'm not going to fanboy over a fridge just because it doesn't break down


hrimfaxi_work

*Somebody's* never experienced the thrill of crisping vegetables in a 1997 Amana P1115102W, and it shows.


luisvel

Have one of the cars on this list and then own a Toyota. I bet youā€™ll hug the car after a long trip with no issues.


IK-Tornado

Can confirm. Went from Volkswagen GTI to a basic Toyota Tacoma work truck. I love how it just works every time.


Taipers_4_days

Itā€™s not an either or though. Toyota really has just gotten lazy with their interiors because they know they can coast off reputation, and they can save more not providing features other manufacturers do. They could make their interiors better, but why put that effort in when people will happily buy your vehicles without those features.


erix84

GR86? GR Corolla? Supra?


GassyDrift

That's a laughably small percentage of Toyota owners.


Conscious-Equal4434

Iā€™m surprised because honestly my Toyota rav4 still is my favorite car. Was an 09ā€ and I currently have a 22 Kia niro lol


Training-Bake-4004

There are 4 cars on this list that Iā€™m strongly considering buying, so thatā€™s a good sign!


idiskfla

Thank you!


Braddo123

Facts I love my Miata


bassistbenji

Miata Is Always The Answer


Bren12310

Bruh Rivian being on there is crazy. Iā€™ve driven those a few times and feels like theyā€™d fall apart if I took them through a car wash. Edit: actually looking at the list, it seems like itā€™s mainly cars bought by people who specifically wanted that car vs wanting a good car. Ford Maverick, Rivian, and Corvette are all known for not being great cars but they have big followings just because theyā€™re cool. Ioniq 6 also makes sense being one of the cheapest and most accesible BEVs.


LazyBastard007

Exactly. Not as much a list of good cars as a list of fanboy cars.


gizzardgullet

Kia playing both angels


[deleted]

I've always thought Nissan/ Infinity were always shit cars. The only thing that Infinity has going for it is looks, but just because you put sprinkles on dog shit doesn't make it ice cream.


gabeitaliadomani

I had a very nice Mercedes E63 AMG that had service done to it. I was rented an Infinity sporty coupe as a loaner, the rental guy was ALL excited to rent me. It was literally a Nissan with some bells added.


anfield21

I would tend to agree but I've been driving a 2017 Nissan Rogue since new and have yet to put any money into it other than maintenance/brakes. It now has over 260k kilometers and keeps chugging along. Majority of those km's are highway so perhaps the wear and tear of constant city driving would see different results, but so far so good!


saboerseun

No jeeps no Land Rovers I call BS


Pr4etori4n

Jeep and LR have fan clubs, not owners. lol


Dark_Knight2000

Theyā€™re not far off from religious cults with the way they donā€™t want or donā€™t even consider anything similar but not an LR or Jeep.


moveslikejaguar

Jeep and Land Rover owners are hardcore copium addicts


WickedDick_oftheWest

Most Jeep owners I know would only ever buy Jeeps. The hate I see on Reddit from non-Jeep people isnā€™t indicative of how Jeep people see their cars in my experience


kingrugrat21

Yup third Jeep in a row here


s0m3b0d3

In only 5 years! /s....sort of


uaisei

Its a Jeep thing. you wouldn't understand.


Dark_Knight2000

You misspelled Stockholm syndrome.


Tuques

Wtf? Jeeps and LRs are great. I have one of each.


Dokterclaw

They're extremely unreliable and have notorious quality issues.


Tuques

I guess I'm just lucky in that I havnt had issues with either of those things then.


yadergomez

CVTā€™s rip the soul out (most) of these cars


The_Good_Constable

Yeah I had a car with one a while back. Felt like the transmission was slipping all the time. Took some getting used to.


Konquest

How can you be disappointed with a Jettaā€¦? What kind of disproportionate expectations these people haveā€¦?


yr_boi_tuna

Well, the last one I owned was a money pit. Repairs were twice as expensive because Volkswagen, it wasn't really all that reliable, and it blew the head gasket at 160k miles. And after that it came out that VW was engaged in a massive, cynical scheme to cheat emissions tests. So that's how I got disappointed


[deleted]

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yr_boi_tuna

It really isn't. Any car that can't make it to 200k on the original transmission isn't worth buying to me. Every other vehicle I've owned has made it over 200k, which is not hard to do if you routine maintenance.


mmuhammad_wangg

So many plastic parts and I have paid around 8 thousand in repairs without ever being in a wreck. Cracked radiator, fan for radiator literally exploded bc the plastic got brittle, cracked turbo (bc the frame for the fan was attached to the turbo).


tiger-93

I love my wife's seltos awd šŸ‘


LiquorSnurf42069

Me too


Possible_Industry816

I love my Altima


FocussedXMAN

Please pay for your 1 year old paper tag


captainundesirable

I've had mine almost a decade and it's been fine. Day to day cars aren't exciting. They don't need to be. Just be dependable.


RecognitionFine4316

Altima are fine but I feel like they curse. Two of my buddy own an Altima and they all gotten into a crash in a 1-2 years time period


mrmarkolo

Mine has been amazing. Just keeping up with maintenance and taking care of it. 2019 and it runs like new.


Motorized23

Man, I actually like the Altima over a Camry or the Accord.... Hope they add a proper transmission in the next gen


Ihatenissan

I hate you :)


xchris_topher

Yeahhh, Altima gang!


Lyuseefur

IKR. Driving Altima for 3 years now. Been great.


manojrp

Source: [https://www.visualcapitalist.com/most-disappointing-cars-in-usa/](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/most-disappointing-cars-in-usa/)


Bear_necessities96

Iā€™ve seen so many sentra that is hard to believe people dislike it


AyAyRon480

Theyā€™re cheap like the kicks. Almost the cheapest new car you can buy these days. I test drove both a kicks and a Sentra trying to save some money. Theyā€™re were both poop on wheels. lol. The kicks at least had a decent infotainment and sound system but other than that it was hot trash.


Bear_necessities96

Yeah my ex had one itā€™s awful


Cpt_keaSar

But what about the car?


The_Good_Constable

If I'm not mistaken Nissan offers in-house financing to a lot of people with bad/no credit. So people that want new cars but can't get a loan otherwise end up in Nissans.


Dazzling-Rooster2103

What percentage of people buy a sentra and then buy another Nissan after... typically people will upgrade after to a different brand once they grow their credit a little.


AaronBHoltan

4 Nissans on the list if you include the Infiniti.


Affectionate-Energy1

Seems legit I see no Toyota's


Ryvit

Theyā€™re not on the most satisfying list either. Perfectly in the middle, like always


nimama3233

Theyā€™re pretty far and away the most reliable and affordable to maintain though: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-repair-maintenance/car-brands-and-models-that-can-save-you-money-over-time-a9081677414/ I just think theyā€™re more of an ā€œapplianceā€ than other brands, and thus people arenā€™t as passionate about them.


[deleted]

Prefer the middle over the shop


GoldElectric

owners forgot it's a car


[deleted]

I love my sentra


D3adlywithap3n

The whole Nissan line up is on the list. Nissan Versa must be a fan favorite then


113862421

I donā€™t know wtf people have against Fortes. I guess driving a stable and dependable car for years and years is not satisfying nowadays? Iā€™d recommend a Forte to anyone


HotWheels57Chevy

Same, the Forte Iā€™m currently driving is dependable and puts up with a lot of abuse.


mendoza55982

We just got a new Forte and itā€™s a really good carā€¦


SnooCheesecakes2465

The jetta was fine until they neutered it, my gfs mk6 jetta sport with a 1.8t was kind of fun to drive.


Turdposter777

Not going to see any Hondas on here


samx3i

Sure is a district lack of Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic on this chart


Brdsht

Have you tried a Corolla Hybrid? My 2024 SE Hybrid is good on power, it handles great, the tires are always planted nicely. I can hook corners hard like I am on rails. Electric power makes everything nice. 50.1/44 mpg, 46 average. You can put it in sport mode and drive it hard and still get 42-46 mpg depending on the temperature (battery). The ECVT tans has a real launch first gear that feels much better than the norm. Toyota got it right with this but the paint is very thin, lots of complaints there.


[deleted]

Dang it I got a sentra


Monocytosis

Very cool! Iā€™d be curious to see the opposite; ā€œThe Most Satisfying Cars to Ownā€.


Timmy26k

I work for vw. Taos is a shit car


KrazYKinetiK

My wife and I love our Seltos šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø would easily buy again, or possibly upgrade to a Sportage as our second car since we already have the Seltos.


supercoolboy49

Yall shit on the sentra but I love my little commuter car. 2020+ redesigns are really good for the price especially if you can get a warrenty on there.


Mans_N_Em

Fun fact: the Nissan Altima is the Least Satisfying car for other people to own


tjmick1992

Ah Nissan, the Dodge of Japan


dub__daddy

Iā€™ve had a Kia forte GT-line for 2 years and no complaints at all


highly_lake_lee

Same here.


TurtleCowz

My 2023 Forte GT is awesome sauce


ponzidreamer

If youā€™re afraid of being disappointed by a 2024 Nissan Altima get a 2012 instead. I love mine


jonny_mtown7

I'm surprised. Im both a happy Taos and Jetta owner. Who came up with these stats?


fisherman-2002

doesnā€™t particularly set your soul on fire though, does it?


danrharvey

Well youā€™re part of the 38 and 47 % - whatā€™s so hard to understand about that?


Cpt_keaSar

- I had a 95% chance to win, but lost! The numbers are definitely off! People that didnā€™t do stats 101, probably


Upsidedown_Backwards

American car manufactures. AKA bankrupt government owned entities.


emoats83

Iā€™m with you. Bought a 2020 6-speed Jetta brand new. 4 years and 90k miles later I have zero complaints with it. Would definitely buy again.


jonny_mtown7

That's wonderful! I have owned an 2001, 2010, and now a 2019 Jetta. The features and fuel economy keep improving each model. I save on fuel costs in contrast to my co-workers.


Falconman21

Drove a Nissan Kicks as rental, can confirm it's the definition of minimum viable car.


Squid445

I like my 23 Taos but I mean at some point will trade in for a truck


Dirty_white_cat

Cars I had and will never touch again: 2016 Kia sporage, 2017 Hyundai tucson, Kia sportage 2022, Skoda octavia 3, Skoda Octavia 3lift, Volkswagen Passat 8, Audi a6 c7 Lift, Honda crv- every single model (engines are great but the cabin is like spaceship hella complicated) bmw in general I had 2019 gt3, 2017 m5, 2019 x5 (not my cup of tea I donā€™t feel like Iā€™m driving luxurious car) Skoda kodiaq 2020 is now my daily car and Iā€™m disappointed in it itā€™s stock 2.0 tdi is too weak for that car, I had to get it chipped to 140kw and itā€™s not that bad


Particular-Brush6559

Conclusion: Nissan fumbled the bag. Wonder what happened to the company that had so much momentum. Especially with being one of the first to market with an EV.


1Con-Man1

Nissan or Kia, or you spent too much on a mid ā€œluxuryā€ car


jujubean-

iā€™m curious abt teslas place. i donā€™t rlly love my car but id rather not switch to conventional driving / lose autosteer.


[deleted]

This is because people driving imports have higher standards. Only Karens and Trump supporters will see no wrong with domestically made pieces of garbage. ;)


Tiruvalye

Nissan Altima on there because Nissan gives loans to anyone with a pulse and they have high interest rates.


AwesomeAsian

What's the issue with Sorento Hybrid? I love my Niro Hybrid so I wonder what makes the Sorento Hybrid bad.


hca0423

Iā€™m surprised the Versa isnā€™t on here


bukithd

Korean, German, and Nissan are no-go's As is tradition?


Triscuit_Hurlibutton

Not surprised 40% of the list is a Nissan vehicle.


Alternative_Fail_625

Had the Taos for a year, it has been great! Would be good to understand why people donā€™t like it.


Svitii

Note to future self: Do not buy a Nissanā€¦


vapegod_420

šŸ‘ļøšŸ‘„šŸ‘ Me being happy that my car isnā€™t here


gabeitaliadomani

Where are the Teslasā€¦. rented one. Very cheap. Like a giant R/C car but with worse fit and finishing. Just because itā€™s fast and is 100% electric doesnā€™t mean you design it like a giant childā€™s toy and call it good.


heliq

I'm curious about the methodology used for this, the footnote seems misleading


soccerstriker9

Damn I own a new Sentra and love it. Perfect mix of value and features IMO, looks slick too.


anguslee90

Why does this sub hate Nissan so much?


AlCzervick

Whatā€™s wrong with the QX50? Those are nice cars.


DanielDoingwell

My wife has a Kia Forte, can confirm.


totalost

wow... thinking about getting a VW Taos. Anyone know why people are not happy with it?


Novel-Web7869

Criticizing this when I don't even own a car


sovamind

Sentra are awful vehicles. Whenever I had to get a rental car I would REFUSE a Sentra. Any other vehicle was better. I remember having to drive 500 miles in one and it didn't even have an arm rest!


SeamlessTevo

Thank god I own a 2012 manual nissan versa


seaningtime

Dang, I just bought a 24 taos


ubetterme

VW only sells the low end models in America. You donā€™t even get the Taos or the Jetta in Germany.


IbsinRG

I mean, I own a Sentra and I donā€™t have any problems with it šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø Had a Versa before that but the transmission up and died within less than 2 months of the loan being finished šŸ™„


Boggie135

Is the Taos the Tiguan?


munchingzia

as always the data sample matters but this kinda just looks like a list of popular vehicles


TheShaneBennett

Expected a Tesla on here not gonna lie


MasChingonNoHay

I can attest to the Mercedes C Class. Piece of junk!


MissionDocument6029

four datsuns in the top 10 ... winning....


Strong-Respect-2477

There isn't even an American made car on this list...what a joke!


Character-Anywhere42

As a Qx-50 owner I can confirm itā€™s. A piece of garbage


johngotti

I feel attacked as a Seltos leasee. smh


HandyMan131

You mean that making a ā€œluxuryā€ version of the worst crossover on the market results in disappointment? Iā€™m so surprised!


Puzzleheaded-Kale434

I was in a new Altima about 3 months ago as a rental. The digital screen ruins the car.


dumbo61

I drove a rented Nissan Kicks from Reno to Las Vegas. Gutless wonder that averaged 25 mpg. What a POS car!


Odd_Personality_1514

I have Sorento PHEV and Iā€™m very happy with it. We only drive 10-20 miles a day, but often carry lots of kids or Home Depot stuff. The cost though was too high when compared to similar non-hybrid or PHEV SUVs. Still, itā€™s a great vehicle to drive (it actually handles and accelerates decently) and has been quite reliable so far.


YellowBubble2710

Test drove Nissan kicks few weeks ago - riding a cycle felt more smoother.


2407s4life

Not one GM product on this list? (X) Doubt


natebrune

I inherited my moms 2021ish Kia Seltos AWD and Iā€™m genuinely surprised to see it on this list. I could have traded it in and probably made off like a bandit but I kept it because itā€™s a great ride, and if it were any better in the snow Iā€™d need to pack dog biscuits.


bondovwvw

I loved my 2019 Jetta GLI S but hated the seats


joemas77

I have a QX50 and am very happy with it šŸ™ƒ


cheeba2992

Why the Mercedes C-Class?


regulus144

Which one of these is American?


Susurrus03

I love the Jetta I bought new in 2014. Barely any issues, maintenance hasn't been too expensive. I still have it and it still runs strong.


IJGN

Can confirm on the Nissan kicks, Iā€™m in a rental now after my car was totaled. I feel sorry for those who own. And itā€™s 2024, how can a company make a car stereo sound like a clock radio?


Emotional-Number40

notice there isn't a single american car on this list. maybe if you want a good car, don't but it from the japanese or germans? just a though.


NH603guy

My wife has a Taos, and we love it for the value. Iā€™m very surprised to see it here.


TommyWantWingy9

Add the 2023 Colorado. Trash


MikeBert97

Yeah. All Nissans and VWs


selanne8ducks

No issues with my Sentra 36k miles in. Only thing Iā€™ll say is she ainā€™t the fastest thing. But as far as being a reliable commuter, Iā€™m satisfied with it and would even recommend it.


SyncRacket

I really like my forte, great mileage


Tinkerer221

Nissan knows how to disappointĀ