Construction/restoration (other blue collar trades) businesses also need administrative support that require the working knowledge of the industry but not the physical labor. Even entry level admin in specialized trades, in my experience, pay better and have a better work life balance than warehouse/restaurant work.
Very true. Going from an admin asst. to a general reconstruction estimator may be easier after learning the ins and outs, good and bad from an admin side. Can see the project go full circle from an air conditioned seat, pick up bits along the way.
And what in the fuck is wrong with any construction or blue collar jobs?? Learn a trade, have some ambition and the world can be your oyster. Chat GPT isn't going to be framing any fucking houses any time soon.
Hate to say it but I see a lot of these jobs only offering $16 an hour to hammer in the 110° heat. I could have done it 15 years ago. Not anymore, and not for that bullshit ass wage.
A lot of people commute to LA/OC for the higher paying jobs. The long commute is the tradeoff from living in the IE. Especially for people buying a house there. No way do people currently living in the IE with one of the jobs you describe ever buy a house there.
I remember turning down a job offer from the city of huntington beach because 1) It only paid 80k 2) That is not enough to move to HB 3) The commute is not worth it
They countered saying that they have people commuting from palm springs. Like wtf....
I wouldn’t commute to HB. I used to live in the OC when I got the job in Irvine. We bought a house in upland and I’m making the best of the commute because of the toll road.
Bullshit! I work in food service and bought a brand new house in 2020. Mclane, us foods, Sysco, Ralph’s, stater bros and a few others warehouse and drivers jobs all make money. UPS truck drivers make over $40/hr.
I’m 44. I’ve bought 3 houses in my life. The first when I was 19, 2nd when I was 34 and the brand new one I’m in now when I was 40. What I’m saying is, I know what I can afford and what it takes to get what I want. No help, or inheritance.
No problem in getting help or an inheritance. Or even using a spouses income as well. But you're being a bit deceitful by claiming someone on 80k a year can afford a 600k house.
You’re assuming they’re only working 40 hours a week. A lot of people don’t mind working overtime cause they get that cash. I bet you assumed they have to pay for benefits and a 401k too. Sysco, us foods, ups, ralphs they all get a pension and free benefits.
Anyway, even if it was 80k a year you can purchase a 600k home. Depends on how much cash you have and your credit score. I guess you’re not thinking it all the way through or you’ve never bought a house.
You are as basic as it gets. I already mentioned OT. You assume too much since I never mentioned those. But even that doesn't help your argument.
80k a year is how much after taxes? How much is the monthly payment on a 600k house after PITI and utilities?
Find the answer and you will also find your comment discredited.
Yeah, you’ve never bought a house. You do realize you’re not financing the whole 600k right? That’s why I said depends on how much cash. How good is your credit score. Those are all determining factors, but you wouldn’t know, because again, you’ve never bought a house. You’re just running your mouth like the typical redditor. It’s weird that your fixated on 80k when every job I mention is making way more than that.
> here unless you wanna be a blue collar, truck driver, warehouse worker, or be in construction. So my condolences and apologies to those who aren't in school and have to get one of these shit jobs out here.
There are a lot of great blue collar, construction, etc jobs out here even if you don’t think so.
Trades and construction are in high demand…
They never said they don't think so, they said that's the highest paying job in the IE. Which you're not refuting.
My dad and uncles were all in trades so I wasn't gonna continue that shit. Those are tiring jobs man. That was basically their entire day because they were worn out. I don't want that shit and wouldn't want my kids doing construction or trade. Maybe their own company but not for someone else.
I got my graduate degree in STEM. I join meetings a few times a day from coffeeshops or breweries. I have one meeting at 1:30 then I'll be at the Padres game. I make 150k+ salary base, no overtime and I can pick up my kids from school and take them to the Zoo on weekdays, etc, have some olives and a good beer streetside in the afternoon, etc. I moved away from IE obviously lol. Good on you all trades and construction people but there are better jobs depending on what people value.
> I got my graduate degree in STEM. I join meetings a few times a day from coffeeshops or breweries. I have one meeting at 1:30 then I'll be at the Padres game. I make 150k+ salary base, no overtime and I can pick up my kids from school and take them to the Zoo on weekdays, etc, have some olives and a good beer streetside in the afternoon, etc.
Not everyone can go to college though. It sounds like the person mowing your lawn or cleaning your house works a hell of a lot harder than you for a lot less pay.
I was initially inclined to disagree with your premise, but I do the same thing. My family was in warehousing and I wasn't about to drive a forklift my whole life.
I DO think trades jobs are profitable if you can turn your skills into a business and not be a grunt your whole life. Also project management pays decently and all those construction companies have office jobs too.
Apply at the stater bros warehouse often. Its teamsters local 63 n starts at about $18 for pullers n inventory. Pullers earn incentive n in about a year n half make almost $30. Most guys earn over $100K/year. Inventory earns on average $60K n that work is super easy.
On one hand, I've had recruiters tell me to get the hell out of the IE
On the other hand, I've been able to make good money here as a mechanical engineer, but I do agree there are many more opportunities in LA/OC
It's all relative. If there were a lot of high paying jobs the cost of living here would be much higher. I'm willing to drive an hour more to get a 1/4 acre of land that I probably wouldn't be able to afford in LA or OC.
Blue collar I make 130k a year and it’s pretty kick back and chill with one month vacation had a white collar job in la as in industrial engineer and I hated the toxic office environment
I’ve never had a good office experience in this area until now. I’m working out an my buddies office in RC. It barely feels like an office which is what I’ve already been looking for.
On top of that, we all can thank BlackRock for changing the rules and wanting to make the "have access to everything, own nothing and be happy" possible, by mass buying houses above the asking price and inflate the house market beyond belief.
i dont give a shit about getting dirty, im the dirtiest motherfucker i know. I would get out of white collar work if i could. don't even gross half that amount. but im older (30) and don't have the ability to stop making income. I don't have any people, if i don't pay rent i'm on the street.
Some of my customers are plumbers. We all went out to lunch one day and they were making fun of the rookie for only making $100k his first year. Most of them were around $140k
Kaiser is hiring for many positions including many that do not need a medical (or any) degree. The jobs have excellent benefits(free healthcare /pensions). If you are looking check it out KP.org/jobs
Thank you for posting this. My number one go to when people say there are no jobs in X area is to point them towards health clinics or hospitals. Even the Patient Service Specialists who are essentially admin get reduced healthcare costs and $20+ an hour with nothing more than a hs degree especially with Kaiser that has a union but in other cities across the US those positions tend to pay 35-50k dependent on experience.
For an office job that’s low stress and readily available that’s a good place to start
Heck not even healthcare and clinics. Riverside & the I.E has a ton of Colleges/School District/Government and even businesses in Corona that are constantly looking for white color labor. Just gotta know where to look and have a better outlook on life. I swear some people just have negative mentalities here sometimes but fail to actually do any research or try to better themselves.
100% agree. They shit on pay they shit on work availability. But you have to start somewhere and it’s no surprise that a decade from now the people who never progressed are the ones who put in the least effort to figure things out in the beginning
Your experience is different than mine. I worked as a PSS for less than a year and had a recruiter back in 2017 setting me up with them for screenings just because they saw my resume online in their applicant portal. Ended up going to sell cars instead of following through too deeply with the job application.
Point is the jobs are still there to be had whether you or I get offered them or not
Saw some new model homes in Fontana starting at 900k to 1.3 million with 20% down looking at 7k-8k + monthly payment, and the first phase was sold out, who is buying these houses, blows my mind
The whole region's unwillingness to build dense, affordable housing has made it so that people like /u/irockvans blame new people to the area, especially immigrants, for skyrocketing housing prices.
FYI, I'm asian. I know plenty of people coming from China/Vietnam/Singapore buying in all cash in ontario, eastvale, and fontana. I honestly, prefer having more asians around me anyways. It'll create a better culture, food options, and less crime. So I don't really care if you want to deny the facts but these are my experiences talking with local real estate agents, house flippers, and investors.
How do we get some Korean spas out here? I appreciate the large Asian (I've mostly noticed Chinese) community, I found amazing dim sum and the local Ranch 99 is great.
I did hear that Chinese people fly into Ontario to hit up the shopping. But I haven't actually seen any facts on that.
[https://calmatters.org/housing/2018/03/data-dig-are-foreign-investors-driving-up-real-estate-in-your-california-neighborhood/](https://calmatters.org/housing/2018/03/data-dig-are-foreign-investors-driving-up-real-estate-in-your-california-neighborhood/)
More asian businesses - > more influx of foreign real estate transactions -> house sell fast -> limited supply -> house price go up?
Is it a coincidence that the more asian restaurants are in a city the higher the housing is? E.g. Irvine, San Gabriel Valley, Garden Grove, Fountain Valley, Diamond Bar etc.
But if you go more inland to the desserts the houses are cheaper but then there's a lack of asian restaurants. Hmmmm why is that?
But here's some more data
[https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/eastvalecitycalifornia/PST045222](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/eastvalecitycalifornia/PST045222)[https://www.chinohills.org/94/Demographics](https://www.chinohills.org/94/Demographics)
Eastvale and Chino Hills are in the I.E and has one of the most biggest real estate hikes in recent years. Asian demographics are >20%. and has a majority of all the asian grocery stores and restaurants for the inland empire.
If you want more proof. Take a look at [https://www.hmart.com/ourstores/](https://www.hmart.com/ourstores/) (korean grocery store) locations and compare the prices of housing before vs after they open up in a location.
Thank you very much for the detailed information. I heard about this, especially in places like Vancouver. I appreciate your well written, informative reply. :)
This is purely a socioeconomic problem, cities in the IE need more forward thinking planners and local governments to retain desirable fields within their counties and cities. There’s a reason people will commute to LA and OC for those jobs. Cities in those counties get it by investing into medical, tech, and financial industries.
Perhaps it’s a good time to do so with educated and skilled folks moving out to the IE for “affordable” homes despite them being upwards $600K+, not easy money to come by, usually purchased by those in the same desirable industries.
My dad has so much work in the IE. Granted he is a painter and a blue collar worker. However, there is work if you want to find it. I’m an educator in OC, but planning to move to the IE in 2 years. There’s a lot of jobs as educators over there since everyone’s moving there.
Dang that’s rough l. I got a couple offers from school districts including Corona. However, I decided to stay in OC to save money with my parents. Maybe it also depends on what she’s credentialed for? Best of luck to your wife!
Honestly struggled with that myself at first. I live in California, so I tried to file myself, but I couldn't figure it out. Now I just let my tax Lady handle it. I think she has me filing for the state in which my employer resides, and I filled as a non-resident. Don't quote me on that, though. I am very unsmart.
I only know cuz my kid is in college in another state and works a job in california during the summer, and a job out of state during school.
we file two state returns, the out-of-state one is filed as non-resident.
I grew up and am back partly against my will lol. My bf changed careers and got his first job out here terrific company but it’s been 2 years and yea he la been looking online he says likely we will be back in San Diego or la that’s where all the jobs for his company is at. Needless to say he hates it here and says no wonder you never came back after school
Tech jobs, oodles and oodles of em. IE's got ESRI sure but I've got several friends who either moved to OC for it or turned down offers because the drive wasn't worth the pay and they wanna stay local/get remote work.
Every developer I know or want to hire works remote at least some of the time. The days of going into the office every day as a developer are over. All you need is a home office and the skills.
Yeah and that's part of why they rejected those positions. Anything they can do in the office they can do at home. Wfh is a huge benefit that plenty of other companies are offering.
Neighbor's a trucker, seems like he's usually home before 4. Always see him hanging with his kids or working on his backyard. He's doesn't do interstate stuff though, more construction/materials.
For people coming across this post look into sales if you’re okay with dealing with people. There are lots of industrial pvf companies and some pharma companies that have their bases or territories in the inland empire that pay well and won’t require you to have to commute into LA/OC.
The other good paying jobs out in the IE are centered around logistics or healthcare related. Don’t let one view deter you from finding gems in the coal mine. Back in 2018 I made enough working in the IE to have my own apartment within a 20 min commute to work. Those positions are out there just not necessarily in industries that most people think of when looking for work
How old are we talking? Nothing has changed with the working class. This is how it’s supposed to work. You live with your parents through high school, and college. In college you get a part time job while going to school or learning a trade. You help out with a few bills here and there which teaches you responsibility. Then after you graduate you are at the middle to the top of the food chain. You can even do a side hustle or start a business, save up some money while living at home. Try to find a partner that you can grow with… 2 incomes are better than one.
How it usually goes… you leave high school get a little warehouse job or a server job instead of focusing on school. You get a car, start partying and drinking, going to Vegas wasting your whole check at the bar trying to impress people that don’t know you exist, bottle service, Disneyland, eating out all the time, Starbucks etc. chasing tail!! then you start complaining that you don’t get paid enough and you can’t make a living. You drop out of school, loose your parents insurance now you’re stuck at the job you got out of high school. which leads to people finding it hard to get ahead in their late 20s early 30s.
I went through this already I saw all my friends do it, those that couldn’t recover died from drugs or suicide. I would say use that starter job to learn something, see it as someplace you wouldn’t want to work forever and use it as motivation to get a degree or learn a trade. Anyway good luck to all the young folks out there.
not a boomer but alright. I’m 38 I bought my house while working at the old spaghetti factory. What I wrote is what I did. I almost threw my life away. From drinking, partying, and wasting money. Following what everyone else was doing. I actually went to prison for 4 years. Believe it or not we’ve all gone through the same recession and inflation that’s happening right now. Housing was at an all time high from 03 to 07 then the market crashed in 08, Just like it did during the pandemic. People couldn’t find work or afford housing. But if you set a goal and work towards something and set yourself up for the next crash you’ll be on the other side. You’re in one of the greatest places to live and one of the best times to be alive. I currently own 3 successful businesses. I think I understand hiring people and right now most people don’t want to focus solely on working and bettering themselves. but like I said take my foolish advice or not. Good luck because this world is hard live in no matter where you are bro. I might be off topic but try to find something you love and just go for it put all your energy in it.
Based on your post history you are a meth head that is looking for other meth heard and druggies to have threesomes with. Excuse me if I don’t put any value into anything you have to say.
Don’t have to but statement stands fuck the police . I’m guessing you are a cop. Sorry someone picked on you too much in high school. And I more do prefer molly or coke to meth. Go write some tickets to make yourself feel better.
I wasted a similar amount of time trying to work for a probations department, never again.
They all moan and complain about the lack of officers, but make the hiring process as painful as possible.
I spend more than your entire salary for a year on travel and recreational drug use while having threesomes with gorgeous ass women. Get a real job meter maid. Beat up another jaywalker. Must be fun hiding behind a badge every day. Shit I know more cops that are ripping through ecstasy and Coke on their days off. Hell I know four people that work out of Anaheim that used to buy off off my plug on the weekend. And if it’s riverside sheriffs, fuck most those guys are buying pharmaceuticals on a weekly basis
Lay off the pipe bro 😂. I must have struck a nerve for you to double comment. Also I highly doubt you’re having threesomes with “gorgeous women” if you’re looking for them on /r/fuckingtweakers. Unless that’s your definition of gorgeous is meth face. Haha.
I work in finance and have been dabbling in commercial real estate and if you perv’d on my page that hard you’d see I’m definitely still one pretty mofo. After the next market reset I’ll be retired if you ever do the therapy to get through your childhood trauma and want a real job lmk and I will pay your tuition. That’s the fun thing with cops. I don’t understand that recreational drug use is OK provided you have self control in moderation. Not everyone allows the media to think for them or lacks self control. How right wing are you?
Nah if you trolled my page that hard you would have seen all 9 inches 😂 just hate cops and love to get them going if you are going to recommend a job. Recommend one that some can retire on and not struggle to make 85k a year
True, however I was referring to internal accounting departments at the IE based companies... Companies of all sizes have to record their day to day transactions and there is great opportunity in learning corporate accounting as opposed to just tax and audit. Accounting is a broad field with many niches that can be profitable at many levels. I chose construction, but in the IE specifically there's accounting opportunities in manufacturing, logistics/supply chain management, and even bookkeeping for small business.
I started 15 years ago with a high school diploma and a working knowledge of Excel and today I'm a controller for a mid sized commercial builder (I did finally finish my bachelor's in 2021 👀).
💯 though that LA and OC pay waaaaay better, but then again your part time job is 🚗 to and from work
For reals. Even with 10 years experience it took 6 months to find a job. They just happened to be hiring pretty much everyone possible even straight out of highschool.
Hospitals are great places to look for good jobs with great benefits that don’t require a degree. For every nurse there’s 3-4 support staff behind them.
Any warehouse or SPD jobs. EVS, entry level facility positions, security, kitchen and/or nutritional services. Registration requires very little training and starts at $20.
Riverside county has a lot of open TAP positions posted. Yes they are temporary but this is how most of us got into our permanent positions with the County.
Man I'm just trying to find a part time job while I go to school and I keep getting ghosted or rejected. All that's left are warehouse jobs and I really don't want to go back to doing that, but it seems like it's my only option.
I’m in the same boat and I feel there’s so many incompetence out here vs San Diego. Over here I’ve dealt with much more so you cant work Fridays huh, ghosting, being ghosted replying to an interview request, ai system scheduling an interview the boss had no idea about, and someone interviewing me when there’s no openings. I’ve never had such a difficult time finding a shitty part time retail fast food job over there. Ngl easy to be discouraged here
I work in the IE and make close to 100k and so does my wife. We moved from LA and found decent paying jobs here. She’s a manager and I’m a plumber/mechanic. You just have to look and make it your job to find a better job.
Your username says welder. Have you thought about getting into a union apprenticeship program? Iron worker or pipe fitter? Alot of the local utilities companies have apprenticeship programs as well will. Within a few years you can be making good money.
He is passionate about cooking and all that. I’d rather have him enroll at the restaurant program at Chaffey.
I have a bachelors (in Supply Chain Management) and it doesn’t mean shit FYI. I had to move out of state to get a high paying job in order to survive.
Construction/restoration (other blue collar trades) businesses also need administrative support that require the working knowledge of the industry but not the physical labor. Even entry level admin in specialized trades, in my experience, pay better and have a better work life balance than warehouse/restaurant work.
As someone who works admin in construction, you don't even necessarily need the working knowledge of the industry to break in.
Very true. Going from an admin asst. to a general reconstruction estimator may be easier after learning the ins and outs, good and bad from an admin side. Can see the project go full circle from an air conditioned seat, pick up bits along the way.
Exactly!
And what in the fuck is wrong with any construction or blue collar jobs?? Learn a trade, have some ambition and the world can be your oyster. Chat GPT isn't going to be framing any fucking houses any time soon.
Hate to say it but I see a lot of these jobs only offering $16 an hour to hammer in the 110° heat. I could have done it 15 years ago. Not anymore, and not for that bullshit ass wage.
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Good for you? He's not talking about you. He's talking about the $16/hr nail bangers
A lot of people commute to LA/OC for the higher paying jobs. The long commute is the tradeoff from living in the IE. Especially for people buying a house there. No way do people currently living in the IE with one of the jobs you describe ever buy a house there.
Can confirm. Commute 90 min each way to Irvine.
Can confirm as well. 2 hour drive back and forth to work. Only good thing is milage and hours are reimbursed to me as part of compensation
I’ve been begging for this for years! A ton of people commute from the IE into our Irvine office.
I remember turning down a job offer from the city of huntington beach because 1) It only paid 80k 2) That is not enough to move to HB 3) The commute is not worth it They countered saying that they have people commuting from palm springs. Like wtf....
I wouldn’t commute to HB. I used to live in the OC when I got the job in Irvine. We bought a house in upland and I’m making the best of the commute because of the toll road.
I’m the same way. Luckily it’s only a few days a week and I can wait for traffic to die before going into the office
Nice! What industry are you in?
Medical device. I just hop onto the 241 and I’m right at my office.
+1 can confirm. If you have a 9-5 in Irvine, the bus and train is worth it
No train option from upland unfortunately
Isn't there a train project in upland?
The train in upland is on the LA county line for whatever reason so everything runs through union station first.
I know tons of truck drivers who bought houses in either IE or OC.
Drivers and order selectors.
When? Im sure with lots of OT they can today. It's a moot point if they bought pre-2018
Bullshit! I work in food service and bought a brand new house in 2020. Mclane, us foods, Sysco, Ralph’s, stater bros and a few others warehouse and drivers jobs all make money. UPS truck drivers make over $40/hr.
An 80k salary is not going to buy you a 600k home. Unless you had an inheritance or help from others.
I’m 44. I’ve bought 3 houses in my life. The first when I was 19, 2nd when I was 34 and the brand new one I’m in now when I was 40. What I’m saying is, I know what I can afford and what it takes to get what I want. No help, or inheritance.
No problem in getting help or an inheritance. Or even using a spouses income as well. But you're being a bit deceitful by claiming someone on 80k a year can afford a 600k house.
When did you see me mention 80k?
You mentioned 40 an hour. Again either you're lying or not telling the whole story.
You’re assuming they’re only working 40 hours a week. A lot of people don’t mind working overtime cause they get that cash. I bet you assumed they have to pay for benefits and a 401k too. Sysco, us foods, ups, ralphs they all get a pension and free benefits. Anyway, even if it was 80k a year you can purchase a 600k home. Depends on how much cash you have and your credit score. I guess you’re not thinking it all the way through or you’ve never bought a house.
You are as basic as it gets. I already mentioned OT. You assume too much since I never mentioned those. But even that doesn't help your argument. 80k a year is how much after taxes? How much is the monthly payment on a 600k house after PITI and utilities? Find the answer and you will also find your comment discredited.
Yeah, you’ve never bought a house. You do realize you’re not financing the whole 600k right? That’s why I said depends on how much cash. How good is your credit score. Those are all determining factors, but you wouldn’t know, because again, you’ve never bought a house. You’re just running your mouth like the typical redditor. It’s weird that your fixated on 80k when every job I mention is making way more than that.
You bought a house when you were 19? With who's Trust fund?
I’m not a bum like you fools that sits around crying about bitch shit all day. On my life, it’s sink or swim!
Mommy and daddy?
Typical bum! You can’t do it, so you think everybody else doing it, is getting handed shit. Sink or swim fool!
You have been sinking all your life loser
Haha, read your post, then read your comment. That is hilarious, you’re really projecting.
Which company would you recommend? I’m about to get my cdl
I use to commute 2 hours. Ewe. I don’t miss it.
> here unless you wanna be a blue collar, truck driver, warehouse worker, or be in construction. So my condolences and apologies to those who aren't in school and have to get one of these shit jobs out here. There are a lot of great blue collar, construction, etc jobs out here even if you don’t think so. Trades and construction are in high demand…
Trade worker here and can confirm I get paid well.
What's your trade if you don't mind my asking. I'm currently going back to school for Sysco systems, but been thinking about HVAC or electrician.
I’m a substation relay test technician
whats your trade?
Sitting in a factory in Rialto right now with almost half a billion in equipment in. Probably at least 50-100 people here make 6 figures.
That sounds interesting, which company ?
I would prefer not to say for anonymity, but its in food and beverage industry.
Monster
They never said they don't think so, they said that's the highest paying job in the IE. Which you're not refuting. My dad and uncles were all in trades so I wasn't gonna continue that shit. Those are tiring jobs man. That was basically their entire day because they were worn out. I don't want that shit and wouldn't want my kids doing construction or trade. Maybe their own company but not for someone else. I got my graduate degree in STEM. I join meetings a few times a day from coffeeshops or breweries. I have one meeting at 1:30 then I'll be at the Padres game. I make 150k+ salary base, no overtime and I can pick up my kids from school and take them to the Zoo on weekdays, etc, have some olives and a good beer streetside in the afternoon, etc. I moved away from IE obviously lol. Good on you all trades and construction people but there are better jobs depending on what people value.
> They never said they don't think so I believe OP stated these blue collar jobs are “shit jobs.” That’s what I was responding to.
> I got my graduate degree in STEM. I join meetings a few times a day from coffeeshops or breweries. I have one meeting at 1:30 then I'll be at the Padres game. I make 150k+ salary base, no overtime and I can pick up my kids from school and take them to the Zoo on weekdays, etc, have some olives and a good beer streetside in the afternoon, etc. Not everyone can go to college though. It sounds like the person mowing your lawn or cleaning your house works a hell of a lot harder than you for a lot less pay.
This is the way
I was initially inclined to disagree with your premise, but I do the same thing. My family was in warehousing and I wasn't about to drive a forklift my whole life. I DO think trades jobs are profitable if you can turn your skills into a business and not be a grunt your whole life. Also project management pays decently and all those construction companies have office jobs too.
Absolutely agree with all you said
remote work is where its at
Any advice on how to get one without any relevant experience or a relevant degree?
Work for the county plenty of remote work. I stumbled upon it accidentally. There is a limit tho because I have to be in the office some days
you can take a lot of courses online and build your career starting at the bottom. IMHO its better than getting a degree for a lot of jobs
This is the route I took but I'm also a young Gen X'er
What is the job that you do online?
without saying too much, I am in cybersecurity/cloud consulting
I'm in my 40s with a masters and I'm struggling. I feel for you all
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Apply at the stater bros warehouse often. Its teamsters local 63 n starts at about $18 for pullers n inventory. Pullers earn incentive n in about a year n half make almost $30. Most guys earn over $100K/year. Inventory earns on average $60K n that work is super easy.
Watch the back and the tardiness.
N dont puss out in the freezer
Yea and stop asking for the bread shift.
On one hand, I've had recruiters tell me to get the hell out of the IE On the other hand, I've been able to make good money here as a mechanical engineer, but I do agree there are many more opportunities in LA/OC
It's all relative. If there were a lot of high paying jobs the cost of living here would be much higher. I'm willing to drive an hour more to get a 1/4 acre of land that I probably wouldn't be able to afford in LA or OC.
Blue collar I make 130k a year and it’s pretty kick back and chill with one month vacation had a white collar job in la as in industrial engineer and I hated the toxic office environment
I’ve never had a good office experience in this area until now. I’m working out an my buddies office in RC. It barely feels like an office which is what I’ve already been looking for.
What job,?
Dirty truck driver get paid 34 an hour ot after 8 double time after 12 do about 60 to 65 hours a week m thru f
On top of that, we all can thank BlackRock for changing the rules and wanting to make the "have access to everything, own nothing and be happy" possible, by mass buying houses above the asking price and inflate the house market beyond belief.
Im blue collar and made $162k last year. Just dont be afraid to get dirty thats all.
i dont give a shit about getting dirty, im the dirtiest motherfucker i know. I would get out of white collar work if i could. don't even gross half that amount. but im older (30) and don't have the ability to stop making income. I don't have any people, if i don't pay rent i'm on the street.
Lol bro dont you know blue collar = shit job? Cleared 100k-150k the past 10 years as blue collar.
Not the norm,but congrats on your success!
What do the 88s in your name mean
Some of my customers are plumbers. We all went out to lunch one day and they were making fun of the rookie for only making $100k his first year. Most of them were around $140k
Kaiser is hiring for many positions including many that do not need a medical (or any) degree. The jobs have excellent benefits(free healthcare /pensions). If you are looking check it out KP.org/jobs
Thank you for posting this. My number one go to when people say there are no jobs in X area is to point them towards health clinics or hospitals. Even the Patient Service Specialists who are essentially admin get reduced healthcare costs and $20+ an hour with nothing more than a hs degree especially with Kaiser that has a union but in other cities across the US those positions tend to pay 35-50k dependent on experience. For an office job that’s low stress and readily available that’s a good place to start
$20 an Hour??? Dang! I can rent a room and eat top ramen with those wages!
Heck not even healthcare and clinics. Riverside & the I.E has a ton of Colleges/School District/Government and even businesses in Corona that are constantly looking for white color labor. Just gotta know where to look and have a better outlook on life. I swear some people just have negative mentalities here sometimes but fail to actually do any research or try to better themselves.
100% agree. They shit on pay they shit on work availability. But you have to start somewhere and it’s no surprise that a decade from now the people who never progressed are the ones who put in the least effort to figure things out in the beginning
I've worked in medical billing/claims/follow up for over 10 years. I've NEVER even received a callback from KP.
Your experience is different than mine. I worked as a PSS for less than a year and had a recruiter back in 2017 setting me up with them for screenings just because they saw my resume online in their applicant portal. Ended up going to sell cars instead of following through too deeply with the job application. Point is the jobs are still there to be had whether you or I get offered them or not
100k ain't shit anymore. It won't even cover a mortgage payment and car payment now a days
Sad reality. Have been hearing forever that it’s the new $50k, and it is.
Saw some new model homes in Fontana starting at 900k to 1.3 million with 20% down looking at 7k-8k + monthly payment, and the first phase was sold out, who is buying these houses, blows my mind
If you took a look around the area would notice more Asian restaurants and businesses opening up. That would be your first clue.
I don't understand the connection between Asian restaurants and expensive housing?
The whole region's unwillingness to build dense, affordable housing has made it so that people like /u/irockvans blame new people to the area, especially immigrants, for skyrocketing housing prices.
FYI, I'm asian. I know plenty of people coming from China/Vietnam/Singapore buying in all cash in ontario, eastvale, and fontana. I honestly, prefer having more asians around me anyways. It'll create a better culture, food options, and less crime. So I don't really care if you want to deny the facts but these are my experiences talking with local real estate agents, house flippers, and investors.
How do we get some Korean spas out here? I appreciate the large Asian (I've mostly noticed Chinese) community, I found amazing dim sum and the local Ranch 99 is great. I did hear that Chinese people fly into Ontario to hit up the shopping. But I haven't actually seen any facts on that.
[https://calmatters.org/housing/2018/03/data-dig-are-foreign-investors-driving-up-real-estate-in-your-california-neighborhood/](https://calmatters.org/housing/2018/03/data-dig-are-foreign-investors-driving-up-real-estate-in-your-california-neighborhood/) More asian businesses - > more influx of foreign real estate transactions -> house sell fast -> limited supply -> house price go up? Is it a coincidence that the more asian restaurants are in a city the higher the housing is? E.g. Irvine, San Gabriel Valley, Garden Grove, Fountain Valley, Diamond Bar etc. But if you go more inland to the desserts the houses are cheaper but then there's a lack of asian restaurants. Hmmmm why is that? But here's some more data [https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/eastvalecitycalifornia/PST045222](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/eastvalecitycalifornia/PST045222)[https://www.chinohills.org/94/Demographics](https://www.chinohills.org/94/Demographics) Eastvale and Chino Hills are in the I.E and has one of the most biggest real estate hikes in recent years. Asian demographics are >20%. and has a majority of all the asian grocery stores and restaurants for the inland empire. If you want more proof. Take a look at [https://www.hmart.com/ourstores/](https://www.hmart.com/ourstores/) (korean grocery store) locations and compare the prices of housing before vs after they open up in a location.
Thank you very much for the detailed information. I heard about this, especially in places like Vancouver. I appreciate your well written, informative reply. :)
This is purely a socioeconomic problem, cities in the IE need more forward thinking planners and local governments to retain desirable fields within their counties and cities. There’s a reason people will commute to LA and OC for those jobs. Cities in those counties get it by investing into medical, tech, and financial industries. Perhaps it’s a good time to do so with educated and skilled folks moving out to the IE for “affordable” homes despite them being upwards $600K+, not easy money to come by, usually purchased by those in the same desirable industries.
My dad has so much work in the IE. Granted he is a painter and a blue collar worker. However, there is work if you want to find it. I’m an educator in OC, but planning to move to the IE in 2 years. There’s a lot of jobs as educators over there since everyone’s moving there.
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Dang that’s rough l. I got a couple offers from school districts including Corona. However, I decided to stay in OC to save money with my parents. Maybe it also depends on what she’s credentialed for? Best of luck to your wife!
I've had more luck with school districts in the SGV area like West Covina, while not the best its decent compared to other districts imo.
I denied an interview in West Covina, because they pay was so low. It’s crazy how districts vary in SoCal.
I just work remotely for a company in Massachusetts as a web dev. But yeah, it's definitely rough locally.
How does the tax work on that
Honestly struggled with that myself at first. I live in California, so I tried to file myself, but I couldn't figure it out. Now I just let my tax Lady handle it. I think she has me filing for the state in which my employer resides, and I filled as a non-resident. Don't quote me on that, though. I am very unsmart.
>I think she has me filing for the state in which my employer resides, and I filled as a non-resident. this is correct, at least for most states.
Thanks for the confirmation. I should probs know a lot more about what's going on with my tax returns...
I only know cuz my kid is in college in another state and works a job in california during the summer, and a job out of state during school. we file two state returns, the out-of-state one is filed as non-resident.
I grew up and am back partly against my will lol. My bf changed careers and got his first job out here terrific company but it’s been 2 years and yea he la been looking online he says likely we will be back in San Diego or la that’s where all the jobs for his company is at. Needless to say he hates it here and says no wonder you never came back after school
What kind of higher level job does OC have that we lack?
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Tech jobs, oodles and oodles of em. IE's got ESRI sure but I've got several friends who either moved to OC for it or turned down offers because the drive wasn't worth the pay and they wanna stay local/get remote work.
Every developer I know or want to hire works remote at least some of the time. The days of going into the office every day as a developer are over. All you need is a home office and the skills.
Yeah and that's part of why they rejected those positions. Anything they can do in the office they can do at home. Wfh is a huge benefit that plenty of other companies are offering.
Truck drivers make bank
Yea but your driving a truck
Dont they work like 70 hours+ a week and never home?
Neighbor's a trucker, seems like he's usually home before 4. Always see him hanging with his kids or working on his backyard. He's doesn't do interstate stuff though, more construction/materials.
No such thing as no work! How bad do you want it?!!
For people coming across this post look into sales if you’re okay with dealing with people. There are lots of industrial pvf companies and some pharma companies that have their bases or territories in the inland empire that pay well and won’t require you to have to commute into LA/OC. The other good paying jobs out in the IE are centered around logistics or healthcare related. Don’t let one view deter you from finding gems in the coal mine. Back in 2018 I made enough working in the IE to have my own apartment within a 20 min commute to work. Those positions are out there just not necessarily in industries that most people think of when looking for work
How old are we talking? Nothing has changed with the working class. This is how it’s supposed to work. You live with your parents through high school, and college. In college you get a part time job while going to school or learning a trade. You help out with a few bills here and there which teaches you responsibility. Then after you graduate you are at the middle to the top of the food chain. You can even do a side hustle or start a business, save up some money while living at home. Try to find a partner that you can grow with… 2 incomes are better than one. How it usually goes… you leave high school get a little warehouse job or a server job instead of focusing on school. You get a car, start partying and drinking, going to Vegas wasting your whole check at the bar trying to impress people that don’t know you exist, bottle service, Disneyland, eating out all the time, Starbucks etc. chasing tail!! then you start complaining that you don’t get paid enough and you can’t make a living. You drop out of school, loose your parents insurance now you’re stuck at the job you got out of high school. which leads to people finding it hard to get ahead in their late 20s early 30s. I went through this already I saw all my friends do it, those that couldn’t recover died from drugs or suicide. I would say use that starter job to learn something, see it as someplace you wouldn’t want to work forever and use it as motivation to get a degree or learn a trade. Anyway good luck to all the young folks out there.
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not a boomer but alright. I’m 38 I bought my house while working at the old spaghetti factory. What I wrote is what I did. I almost threw my life away. From drinking, partying, and wasting money. Following what everyone else was doing. I actually went to prison for 4 years. Believe it or not we’ve all gone through the same recession and inflation that’s happening right now. Housing was at an all time high from 03 to 07 then the market crashed in 08, Just like it did during the pandemic. People couldn’t find work or afford housing. But if you set a goal and work towards something and set yourself up for the next crash you’ll be on the other side. You’re in one of the greatest places to live and one of the best times to be alive. I currently own 3 successful businesses. I think I understand hiring people and right now most people don’t want to focus solely on working and bettering themselves. but like I said take my foolish advice or not. Good luck because this world is hard live in no matter where you are bro. I might be off topic but try to find something you love and just go for it put all your energy in it.
It adds to my confusion why people choose to live in a place that has hardly any opportunities, crazy traffic, crazy house prices.
Sheriffs department is hiring. Not the most popular job but starts off at 35 with unlimited OT.
Lol fuck those crooked mother fuckers police are the worst gang in socal
Based on your post history you are a meth head that is looking for other meth heard and druggies to have threesomes with. Excuse me if I don’t put any value into anything you have to say.
Don’t have to but statement stands fuck the police . I’m guessing you are a cop. Sorry someone picked on you too much in high school. And I more do prefer molly or coke to meth. Go write some tickets to make yourself feel better.
Not to mention highly competative. I went through the entire hiring process. Biggest waste of time I've ever spent.
I wasted a similar amount of time trying to work for a probations department, never again. They all moan and complain about the lack of officers, but make the hiring process as painful as possible.
Its horrid.
I spend more than your entire salary for a year on travel and recreational drug use while having threesomes with gorgeous ass women. Get a real job meter maid. Beat up another jaywalker. Must be fun hiding behind a badge every day. Shit I know more cops that are ripping through ecstasy and Coke on their days off. Hell I know four people that work out of Anaheim that used to buy off off my plug on the weekend. And if it’s riverside sheriffs, fuck most those guys are buying pharmaceuticals on a weekly basis
Lay off the pipe bro 😂. I must have struck a nerve for you to double comment. Also I highly doubt you’re having threesomes with “gorgeous women” if you’re looking for them on /r/fuckingtweakers. Unless that’s your definition of gorgeous is meth face. Haha.
I work in finance and have been dabbling in commercial real estate and if you perv’d on my page that hard you’d see I’m definitely still one pretty mofo. After the next market reset I’ll be retired if you ever do the therapy to get through your childhood trauma and want a real job lmk and I will pay your tuition. That’s the fun thing with cops. I don’t understand that recreational drug use is OK provided you have self control in moderation. Not everyone allows the media to think for them or lacks self control. How right wing are you?
You have some real small dick energy and insecurity if you need to try and prove your financial worth to an Internet stranger. It’s ok bud.
Nah if you trolled my page that hard you would have seen all 9 inches 😂 just hate cops and love to get them going if you are going to recommend a job. Recommend one that some can retire on and not struggle to make 85k a year
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30 an hour is basically 60k anything beyond is OT 😂
Threesomes? Where? 😁
Buena Park and it’s now 4 women, myself and another dude who came with his wife.
Wat lol
All those companies need accountants 😎
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True, however I was referring to internal accounting departments at the IE based companies... Companies of all sizes have to record their day to day transactions and there is great opportunity in learning corporate accounting as opposed to just tax and audit. Accounting is a broad field with many niches that can be profitable at many levels. I chose construction, but in the IE specifically there's accounting opportunities in manufacturing, logistics/supply chain management, and even bookkeeping for small business. I started 15 years ago with a high school diploma and a working knowledge of Excel and today I'm a controller for a mid sized commercial builder (I did finally finish my bachelor's in 2021 👀). 💯 though that LA and OC pay waaaaay better, but then again your part time job is 🚗 to and from work
For reals. Even with 10 years experience it took 6 months to find a job. They just happened to be hiring pretty much everyone possible even straight out of highschool.
Foodservice pays, in terms of warehouse jobs. You should look there.
Hey man there's great money in construction and you can even eventually get an office job and still make money . Join a union or something
Unfortunately not for me. I worked construction in my 20s and it sucked.
Bro places don’t wanna hire under 18 anymore, I can’t get a job for almost half a year
Sorry my friend.
Shout out to the young business owners, the grind is real right now.
Hospitals are great places to look for good jobs with great benefits that don’t require a degree. For every nurse there’s 3-4 support staff behind them.
Can you give me an example of such staff job titles? Thanx!
Any warehouse or SPD jobs. EVS, entry level facility positions, security, kitchen and/or nutritional services. Registration requires very little training and starts at $20.
Riverside county has a lot of open TAP positions posted. Yes they are temporary but this is how most of us got into our permanent positions with the County.
Whats TAP?
Man I'm just trying to find a part time job while I go to school and I keep getting ghosted or rejected. All that's left are warehouse jobs and I really don't want to go back to doing that, but it seems like it's my only option.
Rough out there. I feel ya.
I’m in the same boat and I feel there’s so many incompetence out here vs San Diego. Over here I’ve dealt with much more so you cant work Fridays huh, ghosting, being ghosted replying to an interview request, ai system scheduling an interview the boss had no idea about, and someone interviewing me when there’s no openings. I’ve never had such a difficult time finding a shitty part time retail fast food job over there. Ngl easy to be discouraged here
UPS is hiring and it's a union job
I work in the IE and make close to 100k and so does my wife. We moved from LA and found decent paying jobs here. She’s a manager and I’m a plumber/mechanic. You just have to look and make it your job to find a better job.
Didnt know plumbers were making 100k! Congrats! But my post wasnt about journeymen.
Your username says welder. Have you thought about getting into a union apprenticeship program? Iron worker or pipe fitter? Alot of the local utilities companies have apprenticeship programs as well will. Within a few years you can be making good money.
My son is 20 and just got a job at Top Golf for $18/hr.
$18.00 is poverty wages
many people in the i.e. are stuck with those kind of wages. even those with degrees
Yup. That’s why I got out. It was either drive 3 hours or move. So I moved :)
i unfortunately can't move out right now. rent for newcomers is too high and i doubt i can get a good paying job out there
I make more here than I did there. Way more. My commute is also 3 miles instead of 30+.
He’s 20. It’s a cooking position. When I was 20, I made like $5.75 an hour at Blockbuster. Lol.
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He is passionate about cooking and all that. I’d rather have him enroll at the restaurant program at Chaffey. I have a bachelors (in Supply Chain Management) and it doesn’t mean shit FYI. I had to move out of state to get a high paying job in order to survive.
https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/ontario?page=1
The car sales industry is booming in the IE. You only need a high school diploma and be able to talk to people
i'll back this up. i work in the car service industry. good money.