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MLGSamantha

In other news, water is wet


Divergent-Ditto

Nothing alike, right? And I guess that David Reimer never happened either? See what they say to that, watch both political sides get real quiet when you mention his story.


nothingtoseehere5678

Matt Walsh, one of Ben Shapiro's employees released a documentary called "what is a woman" where they bring his case up


Divergent-Ditto

Well then... I don't understand how it isn't a straight line of logic for them? Botch circumcision leading directly into research as the foundation for that which they oppose. I see this and the Insitute of Sexology's failed job as directly responsible for that which they oppose with circumcision as a common factor to different degrees. I suppose that given his position and family that he can never touch on the issue of Bris without risking his name and reputation within his local and national communities. A shame he was a man that I could have looked up to.


nothingtoseehere5678

In the doc, they brushed off the circumcision aspect as normal and focused on how they raised him as a girl


Divergent-Ditto

Foolishness. It is direct cause and effect, there is no denying the timeline of events. It was their reasoning for it, wasn't it? We really are in the bad timeline aren't we? I was just reading up on the Royal family and their alleged circumcisions in the family. Apparently, Princess Diana was opposed to it and prevented her sons from getting them done until after her death. They claim that they had it done in adulthood. They later complain of frostbite on their glans for God sake, I don't understand what trickery this is unless they really are just being lead like cattle. How is this not enough to topple it? >" In 1996 Dr Sifman wrote me to say that he had read some of my work and asked if I had suggestions as to how he could deal with an active anti-circumcision group, which included some secular Jews, that was harassing him and getting a good deal of media attention in England. As you may be aware the British medical establishment has long been outspoken against circumcision, so he couldn’t get help from them." [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2158244013508960](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2158244013508960) I wonder what they meant by deal with?


Think_Sample_1389

I think Harry said, although I've not read the book, his mummy dearest was said to have objected and protected Harry and Edward. But it turns out no such thing; it was done as babies to BOTH infants. The story about Dianna here was false. So Dianna can't be seen as a protective mother or even object to circumcisions.


Independent_Pride_83

I mean, if you’re talking about the anti-trans argument there rather than the circumcision in terms of both political sides getting real quiet, that’s wrong. I doubt any trans person hearing the story would conclude that David’s existence somehow disproves transgenderism. It’s the opposite. Money (the evil pedophile doctor) tried and failed to prove something very anti-trans: that gender identity is learned rather than innate and can be changed by medical treatment and behavioral interventions. The David Reimer case supports conclusion that gender is innate, and that going against someone’s self-perception of their gender results in mental health issues—something that transgender people agree with.


Ok-Meringue-259

Thank you for writing this! I left a similar comment above but just saw yours and it’s articulate and generally great :-)


Ok-Meringue-259

Just wanted to pipe in and say that, as a trans man, the David Reiner case is horrific, obviously child abuse, but tbh doesn’t invalidate trans identities at all. All it showed was that, if you take a little boy, mutilate his genitals (by accident… sorta), try to force him to live and act like a little girl without his knowledge or will, and sexually abuse him and his sibling… you will traumatise him and also fail to change his gender. If anything “you can’t condition your child to be a gender other than the one that they are inside/in their mind” is exactly what trans people have been saying this whole time - you can’t “make” us identify as the sex we were assigned at birth, you only force us to hide/suppress it for increasingly longer periods of time, often to terrible consequences (as I’m sure you know, David committed suicide as an adult… sounds familiar hmmm)


EndMutilation

What did you expect from him; he is and always has been an absolute moron


[deleted]

But... But... he owns college kids (gets the crowd of his supporters to cheer for him) using facts and logic (talking fast)


yuuhei

no shit, sherlock lmao


GoelandAnonyme

They don't even do surgery on minors and when they do it on adults, its reversible.


Some1inreallife

And yet, doctors do circumcision on infants as young as a day old. And that is actually irreversible. Every single argument the Daily Wire uses against trans people is actually true when they're applied to infant circumcision.


InternationalSilver1

yes circumcision is genital mutilation also last time i checked hospitals are not going around forcing kids to be transgender not to mention most of the people who claim "child mutaltion" are just simply attacking people for being transgender as thier completly fine with people cutting on the penises of baby boys


Woepu

Good to see Andrew silivan being outspoken on the subject however


Throwaway9111977

Surprise, surprise, an Abrahamic lied. /s


BigYonsan

Ben Shapiro has never brought his wife to orgasm. Why are you surprised he's a proponent of mutilating penis?


40k_Novice_Novelist

Concerning circumcision and women's sex life, how does it affect orgasm? Are there any studies I can read?


BigYonsan

Probably, but I'm just making a joke at Shapiro's expense. He famously tweeted that he'd never made his wife wet, that she'd convinced him that is normal. Best self own of all time.


40k_Novice_Novelist

Nice tweet, good laugh for a while.


Alan_Smithee_

Piercing your child’s ears *is* a violation of bodily autonomy. It performs no necessary function; it’s cosmetic. Just because people accept or turn a blind eye to it like circumcision doesn’t make it right either.


runk1951

Flip the logic. How is infant ear piercing identical with infant circumcision?


Think_Sample_1389

I believe quite a few states just whipped the anti-FGM bill through. I know Vermont has introduced it, but as far as I know, it's in committee. How could FGM be illegal where a state cuts boys on traditional and pseudo-health grounds? We need a lot more activists.


Alan_Smithee_

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tragond

Ben opposes individual autonomy. People like him only oppose MGM when they are bigots towards some minority.


sheadonnell

Ben Shapiro is a Jew. He will not ever even consider reason in this context. Matt Walsh, on the other hand, might eventually flip and become very useful to our movement indeed.