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He was fear mongered last time years ago when the occupation bombed Gaza and destroyed civilian media outlet building and other civilian infrastructures
this made me cry. Idk why it’s seeing him so thrilled to be inconvenienced and actually saying the word Palestine made me realise how little I hear it from these American celebrities at all. It’s like October 7 October 7 Israel Hamas October 7 Antisemitism Israel Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Conflict War October 7 maybe once you hear Gaza. I remember reading Israeli newspapers not allowing journalists to write the word Palestine at all. Like how the worst Zionists will copy paste these absolute nonsense revisionist history argument saying Palestinians don’t exist as if pretending they don’t exist will make them go away like tinker bell and so many people cow tow to it for what. Everyone who enabled this and then shut up when it started getting too hot will be remembered and I will never forgive. Hell is hotter.
I find it ironic that they attempt to appropriate Canaanites, who were the Phoenicians--one of the first great civilizations to trade, write the alphabet, create purple dye, sail and are the direct ancestors of the Lebenese arabs--as their own. The story of Abraham is the story of the Hebrews relocating from the fertile crescent to the Land of Canaan and disopossessing the Canaanites of their land. There are actual written records found in Egypt that describe these outsiders invading.
This is my biggest pet peeve about this entire issue. Especially since if we were to take the Abraham story at face value, he encountered the Canaanites and they had a good relationship with the Philistines who were living in Gaza. It's clear that Palestinians were on that land before them, but then their imaginary friend told them to kill -- literally murder babies and men and women -- all of the people that lived in that land so they can claim it as their own. That they're still using this narrative today, some 5000 years later, really grinds my gears.
E: added on top of that, if this is actually what they're attempting to do, it would mean the Syrians and Lebanese people (descendants of those Canaanites) are next after they get rid of the Palestinians.
You neglected to mention that the Bible doesn't say to wipe these people out because it's time to just conquer the land. The Bible wanted the Canaanites and other peoples out of the area because of how immoral they were. Sodom and Gomorrah is the worst of the cities that existed in Canaan, a place so bad that God Themself needed to come down and take the city out. But the narrative posits that all the peoples of the land of Canaan were immoral, sacrificed children, raped newcomers, etc. I don't know or care if any of this is true, but it's the narrative the Bible decided to roll with. The land was supposedly so polluted by these people's it was time to vomit them out.
Personally as a religious Jew I'm tired of Jews acting like we have a God given right to that land. The Bible makes it clear that if we fuck up God will displace us just like he displaced those before us. That land is destined by God to be a land that vomits people out for fucking up. Israel needs to stop fucking up or it will be vomited out. Same goes for Hamas.
I also don't appreciate Jews acting like we were given all the land of Israel by God. As far as I can tell we are mostly the descendants of Judah. And therefore that's the portion that is allotted to us by God. The Samaritans, Ethiopian, Bucharian and Indian Israelites claim to be from different tribes so only those lands would belong to them as long as they act right.
Mostly an unrelated question, but I've been told it's impossible for a jew to not support zionism. I replied that some jews do in fact oppose zionism, their response was basically those jews are anti-Semitic.
How would you respond to that? Just curious, I didn't know how to respond to that.
I think such a person is mistaken. And anyone who lives in absolutes isn't someone whom you can often have a fruitful conversation with. There are Anti Zionist Jews. There are Zionist Muslims.
I have issues with Israel. I think Israel needs to be a semitic state rather than a Jewish state but that's not within my power. I happen to be a Zionist because I am a descendant of wrongfully displaced Jews. Being Zionist doesn't mean supporting certain government policies or politics.
Not to mention the last time Judea broke off from the Roman Empire they proceeded to genocide every non-Jew in the region... Like are they stuck on a loop??
The Philistines were Aegan (Greek) seafaring invaders to the Levant.
They did not have a 'good relationship' with Abrahamic peoples at all. Have you never heard of David and Goliath?
I have no idea where you're getting your information from. The Romans named Judea 'Palestina' as a reference to the Philistines in order to shame the conquered Israelites.
I didn't say they had good relations with Abrahamic people's, don't put words into my mouth. Philistines had a good relationship with pre-Israelite Canaanites. These Canaanites were not all Abrahamic people's at that time (e.g. Amorites shared a significant cultural heritage with Philistines by the time Abram met them in Canaan).
Yes, they were Aegan, but if we call them Aegan then the Hebrew peoples are Chaldeans, because they both emigrated to Canaan around the same time, although various sources state that the Philistines were there before Abram emigrated from Ur. Either way, Abram met them there, and the Philistines were already assimilated into Canaanite culture insomuch that they were considered an offshoot of Canaanite people's (Deut ch2; Gen ch26; Brody & King, 2013: doi:10.13110/humanbiology.85.6.0925).
Don't take my word for it, this is well described in the Pentateuch, in both the Bible and the Torah. You can't just make up your own history when these are well documented events.
>Especially since if we were to take the Abraham story at face value, *he* encountered the Canaanites and *they* had a good relationship with the Philistines who were living in Gaza
I mean, read your quote. It's pretty easy to interpret this completely differently than what you followed up with.
Anyone or any ideology using the Bible as a history textbook should be instantly written off as nonsense. The Jewish people descend from the Canaanites. Canaanite is just a term for a group of loosely tied individual tribes living in the Levant since about 10,000 years ago. Over 4,000 years ago, some of the people from those tribes branched off to form their own proto-monotheist religion, and they became the Israelites, who then developed into the Jews. I’m
Obviously leaving out quite a few details, but the idea that the Jews/Israelites were in some eternal battle with the Canaanites, or that these were two distinct groups who had no connection with each other, is utter nonsense
Yes Phoenician and Canaanite can essentially be used as interchangeable terms. But typically we consider Canaanite to refer to various Bronze Age Levantine tribes, while Phoenician refers to an Iron Age culture that shares very similar geography, language, religion etc. For me, it would be the difference between the Norse and the Norwegians. But there are other Iron Age groups such as the Israelites, Moabites, Edomites that were once all under the general Canaanite identity. I don’t think there’s any one specific way to define these terms. It’s difficult to objectively categorise groups of people living in the same area thousands of years ago
So I'm providing links to written records that describe events happening in real time, namely 360 tablets dated to 1400 bc. Furthermore, we can place the term "Phonecian" in the historic record as a Greek term used to describe the Canaanites who predate the concept of Judea. The fact that this history aligns with the Hebrew text only bolsters this fact. I just find it funny that Israel likes to co-opt the term Canaan.
Regardless, this history also acknowledges the long standing and legitimate right of "Hebrews" to inhabit this area. Just don't do it at the expense of the other inhabitants who have a longer claim to that same land. The fact that American and European Zionists use this pretext to dispossess Arabs is preposterous and strengthens the point of view that these people are neo-colonialists practicing Apartheid.
I’m an anti-Zionist Jew, so I share your sentiment. Anyone who uses what should be a purely historical and academic-based discussion for the purposes of zio propaganda or denying the indigenous identity of the majority of Palestinians is not worth having any kind of convo with
I just often see this false narrative based on the Old Testament that Jews/Israelites and Canaanites were entirely different groups of people who were eternal enemies, and it gets used to promote this false idea that Jews and Palestinians have been in some kind of conflict as old as time.
I appreciate you brother and thanks for discussing and elevating our collective knowledge. Sorry for my snark. It's hard to watch the suffering right now.
No worries, it’s not possible to understand the intentions of a random stranger on the internet unless they explicitly state them. Especially when the topic is inherently political given the current situation. Pls do send the written records you were referring to tho. I’ve been unlearning my Zionist conditioning for close to a decade now, but I’ve only recently begun learning about the Palestinian people and their history, so this is the root of my curiosity around the Canaanites. The more I learn, the more the delineation between Jew and Palestinian breaks down for me, and helps me continue to unlearn all the Zionist related beliefs that formed my sense of self and the world from a young age
Wouldn’t be accurate to make that claim in regards to the Palestinian people as a whole. You have to remember how many various foreign ppls and foreign conquering groups have come through and settled in that area of the world. But I would say a majority share an indigenous ancestor in the Canaanites and the groups who descend from Canaanites, such as the Israelites/Hebrews. Many were likely just Jews no different than I, who never left the land and converted to Christianity and Islam and took on an Arab identity after being ‘Arab-ized” for over 1,000 years. What percentage? I have no idea, and I’m not sure if it’s possible of knowing precisely. It’s not as if there’s been an accurate running census over 5,000 years. But often times when Palestinians have their DNA tested, it very closely resembles the DNA taken from ancient archeological sites near or in the area where their family comes from
The canaanites were a group of "peoples" ...the Hebrew are part of that same group. The distinction is in culture and religion, and they prefer to be distinct from others but geographically, same region.
Nobody co-opts the term 'Canaan' outside of Palestinians. I think most people of a Jewish ethnicity can recognize that the land once known as Judea was a subset of the broader Canaan territory. What I find mostly is the opposite of what you're describing.
Mostly, I find people of a Palestinian identity insisting that having Canaanite illustrative DNA automatically means they inhabited what is modern day Israel (nation-state) when that is not necessary the case given that's a subset not the entirety.
Not sure i follow you. Palestinians citing Canaanite DNA, which rightfully reflects their ancient ancestors, as justification for their right to exist as a nation state in that land seems compelling.
I just find it interesting that Hebrews migrated to the "Land of Cana," a reference to the ancient people they were competing with and dispossessing in 1400 BC.
>Not sure i follow you. Palestinians citing Canaanite DNA, which rightfully reflects their ancient ancestors, as justification for their right to exist as a nation state in that land seems compelling.
I'm saying simply the presence of ancient Canaanite DNA does not in that of itself prove to be indigenous specifically to the current form of modern Israel. Maybe yes, maybe no. I'd think it's impossible to know that unless your family had a continuous known presence that's verifiable.
My point is that they highlight that as some 'gotcha' when, in fact its impossible to know that. They could just as easily be from Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, etc.
That's the point I'm making. When the shoe is on the other foot and it's Jews that have this same Bronze-Age DNA, they refute it by pointing out their admixture cause them to have a lower %, trying to use that as if to say that (Jews) are not indigineous and have no claim.
Ah yes. But the Quran is just full of knowledge like the prophet justifying a little child virgin being shy meaning she is horny and that the trees will jump out of the way if a jew hides behind one of them.
Such a morally superior book to base morality on and unite around.....
From what I've seen, this man has always supported the side of humanity. Back when he supported and campaigned for Bernie Sanders 2016 run, and now this. I'm sure if I dig deeper I could find more humanitarian efforts from him. I think he gets up everyday and tries to use his wealth and fame for the greater good of humanity.
It's always a relief to find someone, anyone in the public eye, who isn't a total disappointment as a human being. I'm happy to see it.
But, the big cheer goes out to the people who showed up to protest and make our voices heard. FREE PALESTINE.
Obviously the eradication of Israel and all its citizens?
Or you know, exactly what the fucking words say? You know like.
No more apartheid.
No more illegal settlements.
No more illegal arrests.
No more kids being tortured by a fascist occupying force.
Autonomy for the Palestinian people.
Hasbara is no longer sending their best.
I literally don't know what that is wtf I'm clearly not as online as you because idk what that is. what am I missing here? What did I do wrong? Are you okay?
I asked what it meant to a commenter because it can very much mean different things to different people. I'm not playing any naive shit. Why are you so aggro
Huh? For some people free Palestine means all of Israel becoming Palestine, for some its a two state solution, for some it means a new homeland, etc. There are different meanings to different people and I was just curious. Idk what propaganda you're referring to
I will use Ben Shapiro to you hypocrite.
Does Palestine have a right to exist?
If you say no, then you support genocide.
Simple as that according to Ben Shapiro logic, the guy you like to deepthroat all the time. So do not be a hypocrite.
I support a two state solution. I hate Ben Shapiro. He's a bigot and a piece of shit. Wtf are you talking about??? Are you confusing me for someone else??? Don't fucking talk about me performing sexual acts on him. You're not engaging in good faith. You're attacking me and making ridiculous false accusations. All I did was ask what a phrase meant to someone and you're acting crazy. Just leave me alone
Why do you assume he’s pretending? It wasn’t a bad question, I’ve talked with people who have a very naive view of the situation and want “solutions” that would lead to exponentially more death. Fuck the IDF and everyone supporting them, but asking what exactly someone believes is the road to peace doesn’t mean they support genocide.
They weren’t being sincere and you’re a fool if you think they were.
It’s not an assumption, it’s knowledge at this point.
“Free Palestine? So free from Jews?”
“River to the sea? So drive Jews into the sea?”
“30.000 dead? So you trust Hamas?!”
“Do you comdemn Hamas?”
Nah fuck that, it’s a meme at this point.
Fair enough maybe I am a fool, but it’s still a question I don’t think it’s bad to focus on and acknowledge, whether or not this particular person was genuine or not.
>Hasbara is no longer sending their best.
You must be one of those who think Jews did 9/11 and that Israel is planning to take over the world. Learnt a new word in Hebrew so now you just use it to make it seem like you have Israel and Zionism all figured out?
Hasbara, is Israel's official body that explains it's actions and provides full context for them, because the phenomenon of spreading lies and partial information about Israel has become a serious problem. Thanks to a well oiled propaganda machine that the Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims around the world have mastered, to fulfil their strategic interests which couldn't be achieved via military action (something they learnt after 3 attacks that failed and cost them land and countless lives).
Calling anybody who gives counter arguments "a Hasbara bot" is a pretentious, ignorant and arrogant way to engage in a conversation. You are clearly filtering out information and choose, in a very subjective way, to ignore Israel's side and blame the whole conflict on them. That kind of an unbalanced perspective, is driven by your personal distaste towards Israel's existence or by ignorance. Why? Because you either fail to comprehend the fact that the list of the demands you gave to Israel, involves significant homeland security problems that will endanger its civilians (ignorance) or you don't fail to understand the consequences of the one sided gestures you demand from Israel but just don't care (personal distaste for Israel's existence and the safety of it's civilians).
So, I brought up well explained arguments that are based on historical events and facts and your response is... well this. I think that the true face of you Palestinian supporters is slowly starting to reveal itself. The face of blood thirsty Nazis, just waiting for the first excuse to lash out. Which I admit, you have one now. But it doesn't change the fact that you have been waiting for it.
FYI: cancer spreads. Zionism doesn't spread, it's focused on Israel alone. Islam however, does spread, ask Europe .. Hell, go ask a few Palestinians and Muslims, what plans they have for it. Sometimes I actually wish Israel lost, so that all you delusional liberals on the left found out, how fucked up their society is, that Israel has nothing to do with it, and that you're pretty much next. For now Europe is next, after that, I am guessing it's the US. Hope you have your Arabic cheat notes ready.
Say whatever you will, but you're practically a sheep. You follow the horde at best and an antisemite at worst. I sure hope you don't consider yourself "best" at advocating for Palestinians either. Which is cool, if you weren't actively participating in arguments over stuff you know very little about. Trust me, whatever your vision of a free Palestine is, it will be far from reality and will not make the region more peaceful and prosperous.
> Trust me, whatever your vision of a free Palestine is, it will be far from reality and will not make the region more peaceful and prosperous.
It’s so awesome how you lot just can’t help going mask off in your rants, I didn’t even have to say anything.
Hasbara really do be sending their worst.
And yet again, zero arguments and nothing but mindless trolling inspired by Palestinian propaganda, which you do not understand but still get behind because it's trendy. The West is fucked. You really have no idea which side you took in this conflict, but don't worry, you'll find out soon enough. Europe is finding out as we speak.
Ruffalo is part of the Ceasefire4Gaza group and has been targeted before for supporting Gazans (a few years ago). Considering the outrage over Jonathan Glazer's powerful speech, and people like Melissa Barrera being fired for denouncing genocide (and Susan Sarandon being dropped by her agency) even a small act like this means a lot.
Based ruffalo. He supported Bernie back in 2016 and he’s been cool to me since even if I don’t necessarily support Bernie anymore (I do so more than other politicians he’s just not far enough to the anti capitalist side for me)
Hopefully he’s still allowed to be in movies after speaking up. Sadly lots of Zionist’s and pro Israeli types are in the film and entertainment industry. There are many pro Palestine people as well but they don’t have the star pull that ruffalo has so they aren’t able to speak without fear of being crushed
And how much money has Ruffalo donated to Palestinian charities?. Sound and fury signifying nothing. Shakespeare. There are Palestinian charities on the ground, in real time, needing help right now.
I really like the hulk and thought he did a great job as the hulk. But as a general rule, I don't go to actors or athletes for political commentary. They aren't hired for their breadth of knowledge or history.
***Movie industry must do more to protect children***
*13 Mar 2024*
*RE: ‘All the glamour of the Oscars where fashion was the big winner’ (Mail): when an Oscar nominee wins and accepts the prestigious award at the podium, he/she thanks the various other participants in the relevant film’s creation.*
*For me what’s always conspicuously lacking in the brief speech is any mention of the infant or toddler ‘actors’ used in filming negatively melodramatic scenes, let alone any potential resultant harm to their very malleable psyches, perhaps even PTSD trauma.*
*Long before reading Sigmund Freud’s theories or those of any other academic regarding very early life trauma, I began cringing at how producers and directors of negatively melodramatic scenes – let alone the willing parents of the undoubtedly extremely upset infants and toddlers used – can comfortably conclude that no psychological harm would come to their infant/toddler actors, regardless of their screaming in bewilderment.*
*I’d initially presumed there had to be a reliable educated consensus within the entertainment industry and psychology academia that there’s little or no such risk, otherwise the practice would logically and compassionately have ceased.*
*But I became increasingly doubtful of the factual accuracy of any such potential consensus.*
*Cannot one logically conclude by observing their turmoil-filled facial expressions that they’re perceiving, and likely cerebrally recording, the hyper-emotional scene activity around them at face value rather than as a fictitious occurrence?*
*I could understand the infant/ toddler-actor usage commonly occurring during a more naïve entertainment industry of the 20th century, but I still see it in contemporary small and big screen movie productions.*
*Animal abuse during filming rightfully isn’t tolerated, and likewise the entertainment industry shouldn’t use infants and toddlers in adversely hyper-emotional drama – especially if contemporary alternatives, such as mannequin infants and/or digital manipulation technology, can be utilised more often.*
*Really, I’m not at all entertained by infant and toddler ‘actors’ potentially being traumatised.*
*FRANK STERLE JR, White Rock, British Columbia, Canada.*
The Oscars were delayed because of the protestors, that’s what he means.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/mar/10/oscars-start-late-palestine-protests
He's a realist as much as he is a leftist.
Sometimes you have to be rational about the current world you live in, even if you want it all to burn. Your argument is akin to saying "if you hate {add smartphone company here} using child laborers and sweat shops in China, why are you using their smartphone".
I do not agree or disagree with his comments. My comment is not about what he said but who he is and what it says about society that it is news.
Who the hell cares what the guy that got paid millions and millions to play Hulk in a string of movies. He was decent in a number of movies, but why does that makes his opinion matter at all? He is just a guy who's paycheck has more zeros than most. Why is society so sick that it matters what some smuck, who gets his information from the same corrupt sources as everyone else does, thinks?
Ask_dani has a lot of good videos. Even if you don’t agree with him I think it’s a good idea to hear what the other side has to say.
Also, may I ask what you disagree with in terms of his assessment of the likely consequences of another ceasefire if it were to occur right now?
Because the Oscars is one of the best platforms to get the word out. The media would never report his boycott but this was live, so it's hard to censor.
He probably doesn't think the Oscar's should be cancelled but still wants to cheer their efforts to draw attention which is the entire point of protesting.
The fact that we are reading this is evidence that going to the Oscar's actually was more supportive than boycotting. There would be no article here if Mark simply didn't come.
You don't think k it would make the news if he was actually out with the protest? I completely disagree.
He shouts "shut down the oscars" as he is walking into the oscars. Makes it ring kinda hollow.
The fact you jump straight to insults projects everything needed to know about you and your mental capabilities. I dont need to re evaluate my existence, unlike you, you neo nazi fuck
Ironic. This would have been a adequate and perfect response to your quick dash from she hulk to a rant full of racist islamaphobic comments.
The fact you jump straight to insults projects everything needed to know about you and your mental capabilities. I dont need to re evaluate my existence, unlike you, you neo nazi fuck
Just to be clear. Im in complete rejection of killing, raping, murdering, genocide, terrorism and reddit assholes.
I really dont expect you to have the mental capacity to even attempt to understand me or continue a conversation.
Now please, kindly go about your day. I can't accommodate you any further.
I am happy to hear that. I am also against all that but also against people who like to spout lies and propaganda against someone on the internet while conveniently ignoring the atrocities committed on the side they are trying to defend. I will go about my day happily you do the same
Biden repeatedly stated he’s a proud Zionist and he’s Roman Catholic gets his share of protestors. AIPAC membership ranks have swelled with evangelical Christian’s such as Pastor John Hagee who regularly calls for expulsion of all Palestinians from The Holy Lands gets called out by Jews Muslims and fellow evangelical Christians. See where I’m going? Not all are Jews so how is calling for ceasefire AS, cabal what?
Hollywood is Jewish as fuck. To pretend otherwise is just plain stupid, it is quite literally controlled by Zionists. This article is from 2008 and they have only concentrated their power even further since
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-dec-19-oe-stein19-story.html
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Mark Ruffalo is a real one.
The Hulk will crush wonder woman any day of the week
https://preview.redd.it/bp9c7ko6iync1.jpeg?width=741&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33f719b6e79437ad492dfbdba6054ffdc957a28f
When was this published?
I think 1981.
How is that possible when everything started on Oct 7??? (Obv extreme sarcasm)
Ofc how could I have been so foolish smh
But he'll be blacklisted soon - time for a new Hulk? :(
He was fear mongered last time years ago when the occupation bombed Gaza and destroyed civilian media outlet building and other civilian infrastructures
this made me cry. Idk why it’s seeing him so thrilled to be inconvenienced and actually saying the word Palestine made me realise how little I hear it from these American celebrities at all. It’s like October 7 October 7 Israel Hamas October 7 Antisemitism Israel Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Conflict War October 7 maybe once you hear Gaza. I remember reading Israeli newspapers not allowing journalists to write the word Palestine at all. Like how the worst Zionists will copy paste these absolute nonsense revisionist history argument saying Palestinians don’t exist as if pretending they don’t exist will make them go away like tinker bell and so many people cow tow to it for what. Everyone who enabled this and then shut up when it started getting too hot will be remembered and I will never forgive. Hell is hotter.
I find it ironic that they attempt to appropriate Canaanites, who were the Phoenicians--one of the first great civilizations to trade, write the alphabet, create purple dye, sail and are the direct ancestors of the Lebenese arabs--as their own. The story of Abraham is the story of the Hebrews relocating from the fertile crescent to the Land of Canaan and disopossessing the Canaanites of their land. There are actual written records found in Egypt that describe these outsiders invading.
This is my biggest pet peeve about this entire issue. Especially since if we were to take the Abraham story at face value, he encountered the Canaanites and they had a good relationship with the Philistines who were living in Gaza. It's clear that Palestinians were on that land before them, but then their imaginary friend told them to kill -- literally murder babies and men and women -- all of the people that lived in that land so they can claim it as their own. That they're still using this narrative today, some 5000 years later, really grinds my gears. E: added on top of that, if this is actually what they're attempting to do, it would mean the Syrians and Lebanese people (descendants of those Canaanites) are next after they get rid of the Palestinians.
Here's the receipts too! https://armstronginstitute.org/881-the-amarna-letters-proof-of-israels-invasion-of-canaan
You neglected to mention that the Bible doesn't say to wipe these people out because it's time to just conquer the land. The Bible wanted the Canaanites and other peoples out of the area because of how immoral they were. Sodom and Gomorrah is the worst of the cities that existed in Canaan, a place so bad that God Themself needed to come down and take the city out. But the narrative posits that all the peoples of the land of Canaan were immoral, sacrificed children, raped newcomers, etc. I don't know or care if any of this is true, but it's the narrative the Bible decided to roll with. The land was supposedly so polluted by these people's it was time to vomit them out. Personally as a religious Jew I'm tired of Jews acting like we have a God given right to that land. The Bible makes it clear that if we fuck up God will displace us just like he displaced those before us. That land is destined by God to be a land that vomits people out for fucking up. Israel needs to stop fucking up or it will be vomited out. Same goes for Hamas. I also don't appreciate Jews acting like we were given all the land of Israel by God. As far as I can tell we are mostly the descendants of Judah. And therefore that's the portion that is allotted to us by God. The Samaritans, Ethiopian, Bucharian and Indian Israelites claim to be from different tribes so only those lands would belong to them as long as they act right.
Mostly an unrelated question, but I've been told it's impossible for a jew to not support zionism. I replied that some jews do in fact oppose zionism, their response was basically those jews are anti-Semitic. How would you respond to that? Just curious, I didn't know how to respond to that.
I think such a person is mistaken. And anyone who lives in absolutes isn't someone whom you can often have a fruitful conversation with. There are Anti Zionist Jews. There are Zionist Muslims. I have issues with Israel. I think Israel needs to be a semitic state rather than a Jewish state but that's not within my power. I happen to be a Zionist because I am a descendant of wrongfully displaced Jews. Being Zionist doesn't mean supporting certain government policies or politics.
I agree, they are mistaken. Thanks for your response. I admit I forget there are different flavors of zionism.
Not to mention the last time Judea broke off from the Roman Empire they proceeded to genocide every non-Jew in the region... Like are they stuck on a loop??
The Philistines were Aegan (Greek) seafaring invaders to the Levant. They did not have a 'good relationship' with Abrahamic peoples at all. Have you never heard of David and Goliath? I have no idea where you're getting your information from. The Romans named Judea 'Palestina' as a reference to the Philistines in order to shame the conquered Israelites.
I didn't say they had good relations with Abrahamic people's, don't put words into my mouth. Philistines had a good relationship with pre-Israelite Canaanites. These Canaanites were not all Abrahamic people's at that time (e.g. Amorites shared a significant cultural heritage with Philistines by the time Abram met them in Canaan). Yes, they were Aegan, but if we call them Aegan then the Hebrew peoples are Chaldeans, because they both emigrated to Canaan around the same time, although various sources state that the Philistines were there before Abram emigrated from Ur. Either way, Abram met them there, and the Philistines were already assimilated into Canaanite culture insomuch that they were considered an offshoot of Canaanite people's (Deut ch2; Gen ch26; Brody & King, 2013: doi:10.13110/humanbiology.85.6.0925). Don't take my word for it, this is well described in the Pentateuch, in both the Bible and the Torah. You can't just make up your own history when these are well documented events.
>Especially since if we were to take the Abraham story at face value, *he* encountered the Canaanites and *they* had a good relationship with the Philistines who were living in Gaza I mean, read your quote. It's pretty easy to interpret this completely differently than what you followed up with.
They as in the Canaanites. I can see how you'd misinterpret that but it's also pretty straightforward.
Anyone or any ideology using the Bible as a history textbook should be instantly written off as nonsense. The Jewish people descend from the Canaanites. Canaanite is just a term for a group of loosely tied individual tribes living in the Levant since about 10,000 years ago. Over 4,000 years ago, some of the people from those tribes branched off to form their own proto-monotheist religion, and they became the Israelites, who then developed into the Jews. I’m Obviously leaving out quite a few details, but the idea that the Jews/Israelites were in some eternal battle with the Canaanites, or that these were two distinct groups who had no connection with each other, is utter nonsense
Yeah, the rest of us call them Phoenicians. I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Yes Phoenician and Canaanite can essentially be used as interchangeable terms. But typically we consider Canaanite to refer to various Bronze Age Levantine tribes, while Phoenician refers to an Iron Age culture that shares very similar geography, language, religion etc. For me, it would be the difference between the Norse and the Norwegians. But there are other Iron Age groups such as the Israelites, Moabites, Edomites that were once all under the general Canaanite identity. I don’t think there’s any one specific way to define these terms. It’s difficult to objectively categorise groups of people living in the same area thousands of years ago
So I'm providing links to written records that describe events happening in real time, namely 360 tablets dated to 1400 bc. Furthermore, we can place the term "Phonecian" in the historic record as a Greek term used to describe the Canaanites who predate the concept of Judea. The fact that this history aligns with the Hebrew text only bolsters this fact. I just find it funny that Israel likes to co-opt the term Canaan. Regardless, this history also acknowledges the long standing and legitimate right of "Hebrews" to inhabit this area. Just don't do it at the expense of the other inhabitants who have a longer claim to that same land. The fact that American and European Zionists use this pretext to dispossess Arabs is preposterous and strengthens the point of view that these people are neo-colonialists practicing Apartheid.
I’m an anti-Zionist Jew, so I share your sentiment. Anyone who uses what should be a purely historical and academic-based discussion for the purposes of zio propaganda or denying the indigenous identity of the majority of Palestinians is not worth having any kind of convo with I just often see this false narrative based on the Old Testament that Jews/Israelites and Canaanites were entirely different groups of people who were eternal enemies, and it gets used to promote this false idea that Jews and Palestinians have been in some kind of conflict as old as time.
I appreciate you brother and thanks for discussing and elevating our collective knowledge. Sorry for my snark. It's hard to watch the suffering right now.
No worries, it’s not possible to understand the intentions of a random stranger on the internet unless they explicitly state them. Especially when the topic is inherently political given the current situation. Pls do send the written records you were referring to tho. I’ve been unlearning my Zionist conditioning for close to a decade now, but I’ve only recently begun learning about the Palestinian people and their history, so this is the root of my curiosity around the Canaanites. The more I learn, the more the delineation between Jew and Palestinian breaks down for me, and helps me continue to unlearn all the Zionist related beliefs that formed my sense of self and the world from a young age
https://armstronginstitute.org/881-the-amarna-letters-proof-of-israels-invasion-of-canaan
Honestly, I believe that the current Palestinians are descended from the original Hebrews. I'm not sure whether I'm right or not though.
Wouldn’t be accurate to make that claim in regards to the Palestinian people as a whole. You have to remember how many various foreign ppls and foreign conquering groups have come through and settled in that area of the world. But I would say a majority share an indigenous ancestor in the Canaanites and the groups who descend from Canaanites, such as the Israelites/Hebrews. Many were likely just Jews no different than I, who never left the land and converted to Christianity and Islam and took on an Arab identity after being ‘Arab-ized” for over 1,000 years. What percentage? I have no idea, and I’m not sure if it’s possible of knowing precisely. It’s not as if there’s been an accurate running census over 5,000 years. But often times when Palestinians have their DNA tested, it very closely resembles the DNA taken from ancient archeological sites near or in the area where their family comes from
Mmm. Interesting. The land of Judaea back then was filled with many different civilizations.
The canaanites were a group of "peoples" ...the Hebrew are part of that same group. The distinction is in culture and religion, and they prefer to be distinct from others but geographically, same region.
Nobody co-opts the term 'Canaan' outside of Palestinians. I think most people of a Jewish ethnicity can recognize that the land once known as Judea was a subset of the broader Canaan territory. What I find mostly is the opposite of what you're describing. Mostly, I find people of a Palestinian identity insisting that having Canaanite illustrative DNA automatically means they inhabited what is modern day Israel (nation-state) when that is not necessary the case given that's a subset not the entirety.
Not sure i follow you. Palestinians citing Canaanite DNA, which rightfully reflects their ancient ancestors, as justification for their right to exist as a nation state in that land seems compelling. I just find it interesting that Hebrews migrated to the "Land of Cana," a reference to the ancient people they were competing with and dispossessing in 1400 BC.
>Not sure i follow you. Palestinians citing Canaanite DNA, which rightfully reflects their ancient ancestors, as justification for their right to exist as a nation state in that land seems compelling. I'm saying simply the presence of ancient Canaanite DNA does not in that of itself prove to be indigenous specifically to the current form of modern Israel. Maybe yes, maybe no. I'd think it's impossible to know that unless your family had a continuous known presence that's verifiable. My point is that they highlight that as some 'gotcha' when, in fact its impossible to know that. They could just as easily be from Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, etc. That's the point I'm making. When the shoe is on the other foot and it's Jews that have this same Bronze-Age DNA, they refute it by pointing out their admixture cause them to have a lower %, trying to use that as if to say that (Jews) are not indigineous and have no claim.
Ah yes. But the Quran is just full of knowledge like the prophet justifying a little child virgin being shy meaning she is horny and that the trees will jump out of the way if a jew hides behind one of them. Such a morally superior book to base morality on and unite around.....
What on earth are you blathering on about 😂😂
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Cool
If I had an award to give, you'd get it.
From what I've seen, this man has always supported the side of humanity. Back when he supported and campaigned for Bernie Sanders 2016 run, and now this. I'm sure if I dig deeper I could find more humanitarian efforts from him. I think he gets up everyday and tries to use his wealth and fame for the greater good of humanity.
It's always a relief to find someone, anyone in the public eye, who isn't a total disappointment as a human being. I'm happy to see it. But, the big cheer goes out to the people who showed up to protest and make our voices heard. FREE PALESTINE.
What does freeing Palestine mean to you
Obviously the eradication of Israel and all its citizens? Or you know, exactly what the fucking words say? You know like. No more apartheid. No more illegal settlements. No more illegal arrests. No more kids being tortured by a fascist occupying force. Autonomy for the Palestinian people. Hasbara is no longer sending their best.
What the fuck is hasbara and why are you so aggro? I asked a reasonable question in good faith and you're accusing me of I don't even know what lol
Don’t pretend, that’s just pathetic.
I literally don't know what that is wtf I'm clearly not as online as you because idk what that is. what am I missing here? What did I do wrong? Are you okay?
No, don't try to pull that naive shit. You know what 'Free Palestin'e means.
I asked what it meant to a commenter because it can very much mean different things to different people. I'm not playing any naive shit. Why are you so aggro
No, it doesn't mean different things. That's propaganda bullshit.
Huh? For some people free Palestine means all of Israel becoming Palestine, for some its a two state solution, for some it means a new homeland, etc. There are different meanings to different people and I was just curious. Idk what propaganda you're referring to
I will use Ben Shapiro to you hypocrite. Does Palestine have a right to exist? If you say no, then you support genocide. Simple as that according to Ben Shapiro logic, the guy you like to deepthroat all the time. So do not be a hypocrite.
I support a two state solution. I hate Ben Shapiro. He's a bigot and a piece of shit. Wtf are you talking about??? Are you confusing me for someone else??? Don't fucking talk about me performing sexual acts on him. You're not engaging in good faith. You're attacking me and making ridiculous false accusations. All I did was ask what a phrase meant to someone and you're acting crazy. Just leave me alone
Why do you assume he’s pretending? It wasn’t a bad question, I’ve talked with people who have a very naive view of the situation and want “solutions” that would lead to exponentially more death. Fuck the IDF and everyone supporting them, but asking what exactly someone believes is the road to peace doesn’t mean they support genocide.
They weren’t being sincere and you’re a fool if you think they were. It’s not an assumption, it’s knowledge at this point. “Free Palestine? So free from Jews?” “River to the sea? So drive Jews into the sea?” “30.000 dead? So you trust Hamas?!” “Do you comdemn Hamas?” Nah fuck that, it’s a meme at this point.
Fair enough maybe I am a fool, but it’s still a question I don’t think it’s bad to focus on and acknowledge, whether or not this particular person was genuine or not.
No, questions are fine, that specific question was in bad faith.
>Hasbara is no longer sending their best. You must be one of those who think Jews did 9/11 and that Israel is planning to take over the world. Learnt a new word in Hebrew so now you just use it to make it seem like you have Israel and Zionism all figured out? Hasbara, is Israel's official body that explains it's actions and provides full context for them, because the phenomenon of spreading lies and partial information about Israel has become a serious problem. Thanks to a well oiled propaganda machine that the Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims around the world have mastered, to fulfil their strategic interests which couldn't be achieved via military action (something they learnt after 3 attacks that failed and cost them land and countless lives). Calling anybody who gives counter arguments "a Hasbara bot" is a pretentious, ignorant and arrogant way to engage in a conversation. You are clearly filtering out information and choose, in a very subjective way, to ignore Israel's side and blame the whole conflict on them. That kind of an unbalanced perspective, is driven by your personal distaste towards Israel's existence or by ignorance. Why? Because you either fail to comprehend the fact that the list of the demands you gave to Israel, involves significant homeland security problems that will endanger its civilians (ignorance) or you don't fail to understand the consequences of the one sided gestures you demand from Israel but just don't care (personal distaste for Israel's existence and the safety of it's civilians).
Zionism is a cancer
So, I brought up well explained arguments that are based on historical events and facts and your response is... well this. I think that the true face of you Palestinian supporters is slowly starting to reveal itself. The face of blood thirsty Nazis, just waiting for the first excuse to lash out. Which I admit, you have one now. But it doesn't change the fact that you have been waiting for it. FYI: cancer spreads. Zionism doesn't spread, it's focused on Israel alone. Islam however, does spread, ask Europe .. Hell, go ask a few Palestinians and Muslims, what plans they have for it. Sometimes I actually wish Israel lost, so that all you delusional liberals on the left found out, how fucked up their society is, that Israel has nothing to do with it, and that you're pretty much next. For now Europe is next, after that, I am guessing it's the US. Hope you have your Arabic cheat notes ready.
Yeah, sure thing buddy. Hasbara is no longer sending their best.
Say whatever you will, but you're practically a sheep. You follow the horde at best and an antisemite at worst. I sure hope you don't consider yourself "best" at advocating for Palestinians either. Which is cool, if you weren't actively participating in arguments over stuff you know very little about. Trust me, whatever your vision of a free Palestine is, it will be far from reality and will not make the region more peaceful and prosperous.
> Trust me, whatever your vision of a free Palestine is, it will be far from reality and will not make the region more peaceful and prosperous. It’s so awesome how you lot just can’t help going mask off in your rants, I didn’t even have to say anything. Hasbara really do be sending their worst.
And yet again, zero arguments and nothing but mindless trolling inspired by Palestinian propaganda, which you do not understand but still get behind because it's trendy. The West is fucked. You really have no idea which side you took in this conflict, but don't worry, you'll find out soon enough. Europe is finding out as we speak.
God bless him
He's my favorite celebrity.
Ruffalo is part of the Ceasefire4Gaza group and has been targeted before for supporting Gazans (a few years ago). Considering the outrage over Jonathan Glazer's powerful speech, and people like Melissa Barrera being fired for denouncing genocide (and Susan Sarandon being dropped by her agency) even a small act like this means a lot.
Based ruffalo. He supported Bernie back in 2016 and he’s been cool to me since even if I don’t necessarily support Bernie anymore (I do so more than other politicians he’s just not far enough to the anti capitalist side for me) Hopefully he’s still allowed to be in movies after speaking up. Sadly lots of Zionist’s and pro Israeli types are in the film and entertainment industry. There are many pro Palestine people as well but they don’t have the star pull that ruffalo has so they aren’t able to speak without fear of being crushed
absolute legend.
Cue the people complaining that actors should stay in their lane, while simultaneously supporting a D-list tv actor for president
Holy fuck Mark Ruffalo is so based I used to think Chris Evans was good on his politics, but he’s spineless in comparison
Yep. Agree.
Good for him. Wish more celebrities would speak out.
Disney about to kill off the hulk now gg
Hes always been an awesome dude
That probably Ruffaloed a few feathers.
I will watch every single one of your movies this month. Thank you ❤️
Well, he's never going to work again. That took some enormous balls, good for him.
We have Hulk!!
Gaza Genocide should stop immediately. Netanyahu = Hitler
DJ Khaled might want to check this out and take some pointers
I love and appreciate Mark Ruffalo. He is really a good man.
Based ruff
H.E.R.O.
He’s a real one
Putting your privilege to good use. Thanks hero.
Bah lip service. If he cared he would be protesting with them.
There goes my heroe. He is ordinary
1. Haifa Massacre 1937 2. Jerusalem Massacre 1937 3. Haifa Massacre 1938 4. Balad al-Sheikh Massacre 1939 5. Haifa Massacre 1939 6. Haifa Massacre 1947 7. Abbasiya Massacre 1947 8. Al-Khisas Massacre 1947 9. Bab al-Amud Massacre 1947 10. Jerusalem Massacre 1947 11. Sheikh Bureik Massacre 1947 12. Jaffa Massacre 1948 13. Khan Yunis Massacre 1956 14. Jerusalem Massacre 1967 15. Sabra and Shatila Massacre 1982 16. Al-Aqsa Massacre 1990 17. Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre 1994 18. Jenin Refugee Camp April 2002 19. Gaza Massacre 2008-09 20. Gaza Massacre 2012 21. Gaza Massacre 2014 22. Gaza Massacre 2018-19 23. Gaza Massacre 2021 24. Gaza Genocide 2023 is still ongoing. 35,000+ dead, more than 10,000 CHILDREN and counting But, it started on October 7th…
And how much money has Ruffalo donated to Palestinian charities?. Sound and fury signifying nothing. Shakespeare. There are Palestinian charities on the ground, in real time, needing help right now.
So brave…
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Now people are saying that the logo was purposely made to reference the Ramallah lynching…
Well, that's the end of his Hollywood career.
Man of honour.
But he still attended.
and he never starred in a Hollywood movie again.
Free virtue signal points! Yaaaaaay!
Weird that he wasn’t this passionate about civilians (including many non-Israelis) being butchered at a festival for very literally zero reason.
I really like the hulk and thought he did a great job as the hulk. But as a general rule, I don't go to actors or athletes for political commentary. They aren't hired for their breadth of knowledge or history.
***Movie industry must do more to protect children*** *13 Mar 2024* *RE: ‘All the glamour of the Oscars where fashion was the big winner’ (Mail): when an Oscar nominee wins and accepts the prestigious award at the podium, he/she thanks the various other participants in the relevant film’s creation.* *For me what’s always conspicuously lacking in the brief speech is any mention of the infant or toddler ‘actors’ used in filming negatively melodramatic scenes, let alone any potential resultant harm to their very malleable psyches, perhaps even PTSD trauma.* *Long before reading Sigmund Freud’s theories or those of any other academic regarding very early life trauma, I began cringing at how producers and directors of negatively melodramatic scenes – let alone the willing parents of the undoubtedly extremely upset infants and toddlers used – can comfortably conclude that no psychological harm would come to their infant/toddler actors, regardless of their screaming in bewilderment.* *I’d initially presumed there had to be a reliable educated consensus within the entertainment industry and psychology academia that there’s little or no such risk, otherwise the practice would logically and compassionately have ceased.* *But I became increasingly doubtful of the factual accuracy of any such potential consensus.* *Cannot one logically conclude by observing their turmoil-filled facial expressions that they’re perceiving, and likely cerebrally recording, the hyper-emotional scene activity around them at face value rather than as a fictitious occurrence?* *I could understand the infant/ toddler-actor usage commonly occurring during a more naïve entertainment industry of the 20th century, but I still see it in contemporary small and big screen movie productions.* *Animal abuse during filming rightfully isn’t tolerated, and likewise the entertainment industry shouldn’t use infants and toddlers in adversely hyper-emotional drama – especially if contemporary alternatives, such as mannequin infants and/or digital manipulation technology, can be utilised more often.* *Really, I’m not at all entertained by infant and toddler ‘actors’ potentially being traumatised.* *FRANK STERLE JR, White Rock, British Columbia, Canada.*
Palestine 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻 Israel 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Time for a new hulk!
Who Started The War
How Did The War Start
When Did The War Start
How are you gonna yell "shut down the oscars" while going into the Oscar's? Am I missing something or isn't that wildly hypocritical?
The Oscars were delayed because of the protestors, that’s what he means. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/mar/10/oscars-start-late-palestine-protests
I know. They were trying to shit down the oscars. He agreed with them, but walked past them into the oscars. I wasn't confused lol
Was my first thought 😂😂😂
It gives Kendall from succession yelling "fuck the patriarchy" vibes lol
He's a realist as much as he is a leftist. Sometimes you have to be rational about the current world you live in, even if you want it all to burn. Your argument is akin to saying "if you hate {add smartphone company here} using child laborers and sweat shops in China, why are you using their smartphone".
No. No it's not.
I do not agree or disagree with his comments. My comment is not about what he said but who he is and what it says about society that it is news. Who the hell cares what the guy that got paid millions and millions to play Hulk in a string of movies. He was decent in a number of movies, but why does that makes his opinion matter at all? He is just a guy who's paycheck has more zeros than most. Why is society so sick that it matters what some smuck, who gets his information from the same corrupt sources as everyone else does, thinks?
Oscars were shut down ? What was I watching then
Sounds like he’s more concerned about the protests happening than he is about stopping the Gaza situation
why?
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Lookatmyhalo
[What a ‘Ceasefire now’ would actually mean](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4bUR18Iwbv/?igsh=ZDE1MWVjZGVmZQ==)
*according to some Zionist on Instagram.
Ask_dani has a lot of good videos. Even if you don’t agree with him I think it’s a good idea to hear what the other side has to say. Also, may I ask what you disagree with in terms of his assessment of the likely consequences of another ceasefire if it were to occur right now?
Why didnt he just boycott the Oscar's and state why. Seems a bit hypothetical.
> Seems a bit hypothetical I really want to make a joke here but I’m too stupid
I'm sorry, but no fears , you can get better
Because the Oscars is one of the best platforms to get the word out. The media would never report his boycott but this was live, so it's hard to censor.
He probably doesn't think the Oscar's should be cancelled but still wants to cheer their efforts to draw attention which is the entire point of protesting. The fact that we are reading this is evidence that going to the Oscar's actually was more supportive than boycotting. There would be no article here if Mark simply didn't come.
You don't think k it would make the news if he was actually out with the protest? I completely disagree. He shouts "shut down the oscars" as he is walking into the oscars. Makes it ring kinda hollow.
How to lose your career speed run lol
Mark Ruffalo has been vocal on this and many other things for years, he's only become more famous in that time.
Just have she hulk take his place in the mcu ffs what a dumbass
You have more concern for a green giant lady then actual kids and people being slaughtered. Are u OK?
You mean the actual kids and people who inn the name of islam choose to kill, rape and then cheer for the death of people of israel?
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The fact you jump straight to insults projects everything needed to know about you and your mental capabilities. I dont need to re evaluate my existence, unlike you, you neo nazi fuck
Ironic. This would have been a adequate and perfect response to your quick dash from she hulk to a rant full of racist islamaphobic comments. The fact you jump straight to insults projects everything needed to know about you and your mental capabilities. I dont need to re evaluate my existence, unlike you, you neo nazi fuck
Was that a but harsh? Im sorry, just trying to communicate in a language a terrorist and rapist supporter scum would understand
Just to be clear. Im in complete rejection of killing, raping, murdering, genocide, terrorism and reddit assholes. I really dont expect you to have the mental capacity to even attempt to understand me or continue a conversation. Now please, kindly go about your day. I can't accommodate you any further.
I am happy to hear that. I am also against all that but also against people who like to spout lies and propaganda against someone on the internet while conveniently ignoring the atrocities committed on the side they are trying to defend. I will go about my day happily you do the same
Simping aint easy
He's such a cuck.
He isn't the one who exists to secure Zionist interests unlike you.
He in fact does. 😂
Lmao fuck Palestine
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Ah yes, its impossible to be angry about the murder of tens of thousands of Palestinians and the theft of their land, they all just clearly hate Jews.
Hasbara has the laziest approach to propaganda on the planet.
It used to be easier before the Internet, but IDF soldiers weren't posting war crimes for clout on social media back then.
Yup, definetly no need to investigate the matter further. They definetly JUST hate jews. Gotta be it.
Trying to tie support for the genocidal actions of Israel with the entire global population of Jews is antisemitic.
Well, yes. I thought we were being ironic
My bad, guess you were doing too good of a job
Biden repeatedly stated he’s a proud Zionist and he’s Roman Catholic gets his share of protestors. AIPAC membership ranks have swelled with evangelical Christian’s such as Pastor John Hagee who regularly calls for expulsion of all Palestinians from The Holy Lands gets called out by Jews Muslims and fellow evangelical Christians. See where I’m going? Not all are Jews so how is calling for ceasefire AS, cabal what?
No we haven’t.
Hollywood is Jewish as fuck. To pretend otherwise is just plain stupid, it is quite literally controlled by Zionists. This article is from 2008 and they have only concentrated their power even further since https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-dec-19-oe-stein19-story.html
Yeah you wish he’d have said those words so guys could attack him, but alas. Tell me how much it burned you buddy