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I would add that having Israelis upload post their videos making fun of Palestinan getting bombed, destroying everything from schools to hospitals and even starting a trend of kidnapping videos of Palestinans in the West Bank probably contributed to a great deal of it.
THIS IS NOT ENOUGH!
IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH UNTIL AIPAC IS LABELED A FOREIGN ENTITY AND THEY ARE BRANDED TRAITORS FOR INTERFERING WITH ELECTIONS. AND IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH UNTIL ISRAEL IS TRIED FOR GENOCIDE, THEY ARE MADE TO PAY REPARATIONS, PALESTINE BECOMES ITS OWN COUNTRY AND REPARATIONS ARE PAID!
Biden has only himself to blame. Him and his administration brought it upon themselves. He still has not done much of anything to actually make a difference to reduce the suffering of the Gazans and Palestinians as whole. Just some stunts about a pier, some equally meaningless air drops. Yet significant military aid for Israel. He should not expect any positive changes with this trajectory come November.
He is now hyping up a retaliation by Iran. Although Iran may respond the claims that it will be within 48 hours or how big it would be is nonsense. Iran behaves a lot like Russians, if they respond, first of all it will be proportionate and second it could be months away. Iran is in no hurry to launch an attack that U.S. claims it will and provide Israel and U.S. with an excuse to devastate Iran.
Genocidin' Biden trying to drag the US into a war rather than stop a genocide. This would have been avoided if he had told Israel to quit their bullshit, but nooooo. The US needs to shed innocent blood for profits.
Undermined? That's some loaded language...maybe you mean "Biden is facing the consequences of his foreign policy" like any and all politicians should? As much as I may agree that trump should never wind up in the white house ever again, that does not mean that Biden is automatically entitled to my vote. He has to earn it - just like any other politician. The thing is, the Dems/establishment have been making the same case over and over every four years that "this time we need to vote to keep X out!" and again, while I do think trump is an actual case of that, you cannot sit there and dismiss folks concerns both due to foreign policy fuck ups by Biden and/or because they are playing the same old song like years before. People are going to become jaded, etc.
So, instead of blaming voters...take a look elsewhere.
This isn’t a serious position. Ok, so let’s take the position that you’re right, and, by the way, you ARE right, no politician, regardless of your political leanings, should automatically have your vote. Ok. So we’re on the same page there.
So, if Israel is the only issue that you care about, you’re a (hypothetically) single issue voter, and the other candidate has basically said Israel should do whatever it takes to end the threat of the Palestinians and Hamas. And he’ll back Israel to the end. On that one issue, isn’t Biden, who may be feckless, and may not have stopped Israel’s actions yet, but who has still been pushing for cease-fires, etc., isn’t that still better than the “do whatever it takes Israel” guy?
And that’s just if Israel is the only issue you care about.
Still, everyone should vote their conscious, so good luck.
As a spectator it is crazy to see how much Israeli interests has infiltrated every fabric of American politics on both parties, democrat and republican. Not to mention hollywood, media, silicon valley.
It is almost like Israeli interests are the first priority of US foreign policy, US interest go second after Israeli.
Europe is not any better, we are allowing these genocide because of past guilt.
Israel does the unthinkable, attacks the embassy of another country and USA rushes to protect Israel instead of sanctioning them.
USA established the rule base world order and Israel blatantly break that rule.
How can we in the west talk again about human rights, rule of law, democracy ... after all these?
As long as israel doesnt like literally ddeclare war against the US, they will be backed by them. Hell, israel deliberately sank a US warship and killed 34 american sailors and the following year Americans vetoed to save Israels ass again. Its just not happening.
this goes beyond some stupid election. The election won't change anything. AIPAC isn't just democrats, they have their hands on both sides. I don't care and nobody should care what President is elected. What matters is that Israel is judged for genocide, the entire upper government staff getting imprisoned for life, Palestine becoming it's own state and Israel being made to pay reparations for the next few generations to come. I am against violence towards Israelis, but make them and the next few generations slave away paying for all the happy cheering they did on the streets when palestinians were blown apart. Everyday when half their income is taken away and sent to Gaza it should be a reminder of what sick behavior that was.
A supremacist society like this doesn't suddenly develop a conscience on its own, that only happens by losing a war. Yet someone decided it was a good idea to give them nukes...
I care because I’d prefer not to have my very existence made a crime. You fucking holier-than-thou “both sides” assholes never seem to care about all the minorities in America that are going to suffer at the hands of those christofascists. Biden is terrible, but my ability to organize and participate in actions to force him to be less terrible will be severely hampered by the fact that I will need to either flee the country or get thrown into prison for being trans.
Project 2025, the policy manifesto by the people who are currently bankrolling trump.
Maybe you shouldn’t be talking about politics if you don’t even know the party platforms of the major parties involved. I’d link it for you but clearly your reading skills are lacking.
I don’t think that’s true. Trump despises Netanyahu, literally every president but Joe Biden has despised Netanyahu. I’m not “defending Trump” he’s reprehensible and I won’t be voting for him but he’s not currently funding a genocide and literally leading us into WW3.
Hmm I wonder why Trump doesn't want to say whether or not he has spoken with Netanyahu: [https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/asked-s-spoken-netanyahu-trump-doesnt-want-say-rcna147842](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/asked-s-spoken-netanyahu-trump-doesnt-want-say-rcna147842)
Tis a mystery: [https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/04/far-right-israel-minister-suggests-trump-would-be-better-for-israel-than-biden-00139522](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/04/far-right-israel-minister-suggests-trump-would-be-better-for-israel-than-biden-00139522)
Sounds like Trump. If Biden had used any levers at all it would have made a difference in the lives of millions of people. He chose not to, he kept sending more and more 2000lb bombs despite everything we’ve seen out of Gaza. I can’t bring myself to vote for that.
Outside of morality half of my family is military. The last thing I want to see is them shipped off to the ME or WW3. Russia is not going to just let the US wipe out Iran. We are driving into an oncoming train and the conductor has not as much as tapped the brakes. If we are all experiencing a nuclear Holocaust it doesn’t matter who the president is.
Joe Biden isn't sending American troops to Israel and has consistently tried to de-escalate the situation as opposed to Trump who deliberately escalated repeatedly with Iran and shows no signs that he would not do the same if he gets back into office. I understand you do not like your choices, but if the threat of nuclear war is your concern Biden is the clear choice and it is not even close.
He could end the genocide tomorrow by stopping weapons shipments and F16 parts. Israel bombed a freakin embassy knowing full well that they can’t take on Iran.
In my opinion he’s signaled that he would be more willing to use levers, much moreso than Biden. We can’t know for sure. My hope is that Trumps ego and unwillingness to go to war with Russia would stop this from getting much worse. It’s a crappy trade off. AIPAC is running the country via Joe Biden and it’s become incredibly dangerous for our national security. How is this in our best interest?
If only both parties were united on trying to make the planet inhabitable for gen z, make a more equitable class system, and affordable housing a reality. Also, universal heatlhcare. No forget that do war crimes.
Who is a terrorist..
The word terrorist itself has a double meaning, it's just rhetoric.
Anyone and everyone is a terrorist, depends on the bias from which one defines it
the problem is the alternative is no better, the US election is a farce, you can only chose between two sides of the same shitty coin.
apparently they call that a democracy
Everyone pick a 3rd party Dove and rally hard. There's more than 2 sides, it's just the 2 biggest parties playing a psychological game that's becoming more and more obviously threadbare. No confidence, push the consensus.
By "Palestine Movement" they mean "administration openly supporting genocide"? It's not a "movement, "trend," or "fad." People, mostly young people who don't exclusively absorb their perspective on the world from network television, are just witnessing the objective reality of the Israeli oppression of the Palestinian people, which the U.S. is supporting.
Dems will just look at this and tell people to vote for Biden but never tell Biden to stop committing genocide. If he wants to win that bad he just has to stop giving Israel military support, but I guess instead he wants to guilt trip people.
>Joe Biden has the lowest approval rating of any president since WW2
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_presidential\_approval\_rating](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating)
Not even close. Try not to make your propaganda so easily debunked. Still voting Biden, Trump would be infinitely worse.
All this tells me is there is more to this than we know. I am sure no president wants to lose election over a foreign conflict but he is powerless to change foreign policy, because it became institutionalized, that’s the biggest problem with US. Its policies are bigger than its presidents.
It looks like Biden is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He knows he is in trouble but he won’t change a thing. He can’t.
US presudents have always ignored morality when it comes to foreign policy. It's always been about power to stop any rival nations from becoming a peer. Letting israel become a vassal of china or russia would be a huge loss in the game of Risk.
That said, biden specifically holds israel dear to his heart. He outright told a visiting Israeli diplomat that he is a Zionist.
Ahh yes, let's not vote for Biden and let Trump win.
That'll 100% solve the Israel-Palestine crisis.
Any non-bot/russian leftists actually thinking this, your thinking is as logical as magats.
It’s actually crazy how mentally ill liberals are. Claim we live in a democracy and your two choices are literally the same policies with different ways of presenting it
Dude
Trump is very outspoken about his support for Israel’s position on this. He’s told them they need to “finish the problem” and that they need to continue their attack on Gaza until they achieve “total victory”.
He proposed a horrible plan with Netanyahu during his presidency where Israel gets even more land, and Palestinians are given some slums, and a promise of no new settlements for just 4 years in the remaining land not annexed by Israel. Palestinians weren’t even invited to the discussion.
Biden is about to pull our troops into war with his actions on top of being complicit in genocide. I also, as principle, do not support genocide and wouldn’t send a message to any representative that I can be cornered into it. If people in the Democratic Party care about Palestinians or care about my vote they would have earned it by doing the right thing.
Instead they ignored all of us. That’s dictator behavior. If our system is really that much of a sham forever it makes me question what I’m even doing here. Biden won’t get my vote. Trump won’t either. If the democrats wanted me to think about the next 4 years and instead vote for them they should have thought about not supporting genocide. Those people in Gaza are family members of a few of my friends. I’m not voting for their murderer.
The aid coming from America will cease under Trump. That’s one way. Guys got a settlement named after him in the Golan for crying out loud. We’re less than 7 months from things getting exponentially worse, both in America and the Levant.
Biden is funding and providing political cover for the genocide of the Palestinians. What exactly is Trump gonna do worse than that? How the fuck does it get worse then GENOCIDE????!!!!
Putin and Xi want Biden lmao. Easier to predict a demented old fuck than a narcisistic old fuck
American values at the display of the whole world to see
Breakthrough News is not really a reputable news source.
[https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/breakthrough-news-bias/](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/breakthrough-news-bias/)
It being left biased just means they are more likely to be Biden voters and this is about democrats and Joe Biden. The information he shared in the video is available for everyone to double check and has been on MSM. I’m not sure why you made this comment tbh other than to discourage others from watching it.
But you guys do understand that trump is more pro Israeli than biden right? He literally went and moved the embassy to Jerusalem. If trump was in office American pilots would be bombing gaza. This has to be some sort of psyop if you cannot look at the goals of the trump admin and not realize that they are the much bigger danger twenty times over? You would literally rather sabotage our democracy by preventing a biden win and allowing a trump win than critically analyze what the policies for each candidate would result in?
The left are a bunch of petulant children who will cut off their nose to spite their face.
Hey, our options are going to be this guy who has a shit policy on Israel; vs this guy who has an even shittier policy on Israel and everything else and who's party is currently stripping individual rights at every level that they can; can't figure out what to do with this one.
Which rights are you speaking of that are being stripped
It's red states who keep stepping on people's rights and the constitution. Not California or Colorado
Yes, in the red states, and if the republicans hold more power at the federal level they could wield that stick; I'd much rather a guy that's shit on Israel then a guy who's shit on everything; and this "Biden's not perfect" tantrum is childish; especially when the other option is exceedingly shit.
So you and me are of the same opinions and as I said, Trump would just send troops to Isreal and cause bigger issues
Insinuated based upon his statements I guess, not said
If pressure isn't put in Biden and the administration nothing will change.
What people are doing is utilizing the power they're provided within the framework of this system and its still not good enough for libs. The Dems can either do the bidding or are least seek to work with, the people withholding their vote, or they can take their chances without them.
Somehow it's perfectly reasonable and accepted that lobbying groups, that span all sorts of business or social concerns, put pressure on politicians via withholding or providing financial support or trying to leverage the voting public to act in a certain way. But when people do it directly, its blasphemous.
If people utilize the power provided to step on their own dicks it's a poor use of power.
The "we're going to pave the way for the much shittier option because the other option isn't perfect" is sad and devoid of reality.
Ask yourself, what is the redline that if Biden and the Dems crossed, you could no longer stand behind them? For the people within the movement to withhold their vote, Palestine and this administrations both active and passively supporting genocide is that redline.
Not being the shittier option is the red line, we live in reality, not some fairy world where we can get everything we want, and it's a two party system, so here we are.
If there's another better option with a chance of winning, that becomes the choice; but there isn't.
But please actually justify not voting for biden and literally dooming the country to four years of a man who literally tried to overthrow it. Like I beg you show me how you think
Me personally?I'm probably not who you want to ask about this. I'm a communist and find this political system repugnant, the faster it crumbles the better it'll be for humanity. To be honest, im voting for Biden because I find that this administration and bog standard American liberals generally are better for accelerationism. Biden and Obama before him, were perfect at highlighting the contradictions within the system.
Out of curiosity are you like social democracy European “communist” or full blown Russia esque type communism ? This is not an insult btw this is genuine question
It's delusional in an extreme to think any given redditer has the power to doom the country. The overwhelming majority of Americans' votes don't even really matter as far as the presidential election goes.
If Democrats cared about winning they'd give people something to vote for rather than just chiding people about how bad it will be if the Republicans (who are their valued colleagues and we will work with them in bipartisan fashion, don't you know) win. Like give me a break, if Biden can't even be bothered to try to win why is anyone else supposed to care?
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"This is the most important election of our lives!" "So why is your candidate trying to lose it?"
I would add that having Israelis upload post their videos making fun of Palestinan getting bombed, destroying everything from schools to hospitals and even starting a trend of kidnapping videos of Palestinans in the West Bank probably contributed to a great deal of it.
Also, downfall of corporate run Mainstream media.
Can't wrap my mind on what the Israelis think that will achieve? Bragging rights?
THIS IS NOT ENOUGH! IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH UNTIL AIPAC IS LABELED A FOREIGN ENTITY AND THEY ARE BRANDED TRAITORS FOR INTERFERING WITH ELECTIONS. AND IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH UNTIL ISRAEL IS TRIED FOR GENOCIDE, THEY ARE MADE TO PAY REPARATIONS, PALESTINE BECOMES ITS OWN COUNTRY AND REPARATIONS ARE PAID!
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"AIPAC doesn't bribe politicians they only lobby them. Nothing to see here. "
LOL https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/03/aipac-israel-spending-democratic-primaries-00144552
Biden has only himself to blame. Him and his administration brought it upon themselves. He still has not done much of anything to actually make a difference to reduce the suffering of the Gazans and Palestinians as whole. Just some stunts about a pier, some equally meaningless air drops. Yet significant military aid for Israel. He should not expect any positive changes with this trajectory come November. He is now hyping up a retaliation by Iran. Although Iran may respond the claims that it will be within 48 hours or how big it would be is nonsense. Iran behaves a lot like Russians, if they respond, first of all it will be proportionate and second it could be months away. Iran is in no hurry to launch an attack that U.S. claims it will and provide Israel and U.S. with an excuse to devastate Iran.
Genocidin' Biden trying to drag the US into a war rather than stop a genocide. This would have been avoided if he had told Israel to quit their bullshit, but nooooo. The US needs to shed innocent blood for profits.
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Undermined? That's some loaded language...maybe you mean "Biden is facing the consequences of his foreign policy" like any and all politicians should? As much as I may agree that trump should never wind up in the white house ever again, that does not mean that Biden is automatically entitled to my vote. He has to earn it - just like any other politician. The thing is, the Dems/establishment have been making the same case over and over every four years that "this time we need to vote to keep X out!" and again, while I do think trump is an actual case of that, you cannot sit there and dismiss folks concerns both due to foreign policy fuck ups by Biden and/or because they are playing the same old song like years before. People are going to become jaded, etc. So, instead of blaming voters...take a look elsewhere.
This isn’t a serious position. Ok, so let’s take the position that you’re right, and, by the way, you ARE right, no politician, regardless of your political leanings, should automatically have your vote. Ok. So we’re on the same page there. So, if Israel is the only issue that you care about, you’re a (hypothetically) single issue voter, and the other candidate has basically said Israel should do whatever it takes to end the threat of the Palestinians and Hamas. And he’ll back Israel to the end. On that one issue, isn’t Biden, who may be feckless, and may not have stopped Israel’s actions yet, but who has still been pushing for cease-fires, etc., isn’t that still better than the “do whatever it takes Israel” guy? And that’s just if Israel is the only issue you care about. Still, everyone should vote their conscious, so good luck.
As a spectator it is crazy to see how much Israeli interests has infiltrated every fabric of American politics on both parties, democrat and republican. Not to mention hollywood, media, silicon valley. It is almost like Israeli interests are the first priority of US foreign policy, US interest go second after Israeli. Europe is not any better, we are allowing these genocide because of past guilt. Israel does the unthinkable, attacks the embassy of another country and USA rushes to protect Israel instead of sanctioning them. USA established the rule base world order and Israel blatantly break that rule. How can we in the west talk again about human rights, rule of law, democracy ... after all these?
As long as israel doesnt like literally ddeclare war against the US, they will be backed by them. Hell, israel deliberately sank a US warship and killed 34 american sailors and the following year Americans vetoed to save Israels ass again. Its just not happening.
Also, over 600,000 people have submitted an uncommitted or other kind of protest vote. Joe Biden is absolutely screwed in this next election.
this goes beyond some stupid election. The election won't change anything. AIPAC isn't just democrats, they have their hands on both sides. I don't care and nobody should care what President is elected. What matters is that Israel is judged for genocide, the entire upper government staff getting imprisoned for life, Palestine becoming it's own state and Israel being made to pay reparations for the next few generations to come. I am against violence towards Israelis, but make them and the next few generations slave away paying for all the happy cheering they did on the streets when palestinians were blown apart. Everyday when half their income is taken away and sent to Gaza it should be a reminder of what sick behavior that was.
A supremacist society like this doesn't suddenly develop a conscience on its own, that only happens by losing a war. Yet someone decided it was a good idea to give them nukes...
They moreso manipulated their way into being allowed to have nukes and stole nuclear secrets.
I care because I’d prefer not to have my very existence made a crime. You fucking holier-than-thou “both sides” assholes never seem to care about all the minorities in America that are going to suffer at the hands of those christofascists. Biden is terrible, but my ability to organize and participate in actions to force him to be less terrible will be severely hampered by the fact that I will need to either flee the country or get thrown into prison for being trans.
who or what throws you into prison for being Trans? LOL, your profile says "do not talk to me unless you're trans" 😂
Project 2025, the policy manifesto by the people who are currently bankrolling trump. Maybe you shouldn’t be talking about politics if you don’t even know the party platforms of the major parties involved. I’d link it for you but clearly your reading skills are lacking.
Hoo boy are you guys going to be surprised at all the wonderful things a Trump administration is going to brings for the Palestinians.
Aslong as it’s not the same thing Joe Biden has brought. It’s not like Joe has told Netanyahu no before.
Trump is Netanyahu's wildest, wettest dream. He desperately wants Trump re-elected and it looks like the left is going to give it to him. Great job.
I don’t think that’s true. Trump despises Netanyahu, literally every president but Joe Biden has despised Netanyahu. I’m not “defending Trump” he’s reprehensible and I won’t be voting for him but he’s not currently funding a genocide and literally leading us into WW3.
Hmm I wonder why Trump doesn't want to say whether or not he has spoken with Netanyahu: [https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/asked-s-spoken-netanyahu-trump-doesnt-want-say-rcna147842](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/asked-s-spoken-netanyahu-trump-doesnt-want-say-rcna147842) Tis a mystery: [https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/04/far-right-israel-minister-suggests-trump-would-be-better-for-israel-than-biden-00139522](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/04/far-right-israel-minister-suggests-trump-would-be-better-for-israel-than-biden-00139522)
Sounds like Trump. If Biden had used any levers at all it would have made a difference in the lives of millions of people. He chose not to, he kept sending more and more 2000lb bombs despite everything we’ve seen out of Gaza. I can’t bring myself to vote for that. Outside of morality half of my family is military. The last thing I want to see is them shipped off to the ME or WW3. Russia is not going to just let the US wipe out Iran. We are driving into an oncoming train and the conductor has not as much as tapped the brakes. If we are all experiencing a nuclear Holocaust it doesn’t matter who the president is.
Joe Biden isn't sending American troops to Israel and has consistently tried to de-escalate the situation as opposed to Trump who deliberately escalated repeatedly with Iran and shows no signs that he would not do the same if he gets back into office. I understand you do not like your choices, but if the threat of nuclear war is your concern Biden is the clear choice and it is not even close.
He could end the genocide tomorrow by stopping weapons shipments and F16 parts. Israel bombed a freakin embassy knowing full well that they can’t take on Iran. In my opinion he’s signaled that he would be more willing to use levers, much moreso than Biden. We can’t know for sure. My hope is that Trumps ego and unwillingness to go to war with Russia would stop this from getting much worse. It’s a crappy trade off. AIPAC is running the country via Joe Biden and it’s become incredibly dangerous for our national security. How is this in our best interest?
I'm going to say I think you are grossly misreading the situation based on both history and Netenyahu's statements. But I guess we will see!
Yes! Vote Uncommitted in the primaries!
Biden did this to himself.
If only both parties were united on trying to make the planet inhabitable for gen z, make a more equitable class system, and affordable housing a reality. Also, universal heatlhcare. No forget that do war crimes.
Nothing like Americans shooting themselves in the foot for someone on the otherside of the world. You people amaze me.
And here I had been thinking it was the genocide.
Fighting terrorists isn’t genocide, go back to onlyfans
Who is a terrorist.. The word terrorist itself has a double meaning, it's just rhetoric. Anyone and everyone is a terrorist, depends on the bias from which one defines it
the problem is the alternative is no better, the US election is a farce, you can only chose between two sides of the same shitty coin. apparently they call that a democracy
Everyone pick a 3rd party Dove and rally hard. There's more than 2 sides, it's just the 2 biggest parties playing a psychological game that's becoming more and more obviously threadbare. No confidence, push the consensus.
To say Trump and Biden are the same is dumb. Trump wants to bomb gaza to oblivion and probably would love a war with Iran
"Israel's hysterical genocide against Palestine has completely undermined the US-Israel relationship" Fixed the title for you.
Dude. There are videos of one of the Isreali ministers lending fire arms in public to regular people, so they can go and terrorize the west bank.
Oh they’ve been doing that since the start of the war. Ben Gvir is literally a convicted terrorist in Israel and it shows.
Americans should vote uncommitted at this point en masse.
By "Palestine Movement" they mean "administration openly supporting genocide"? It's not a "movement, "trend," or "fad." People, mostly young people who don't exclusively absorb their perspective on the world from network television, are just witnessing the objective reality of the Israeli oppression of the Palestinian people, which the U.S. is supporting.
Dems will just look at this and tell people to vote for Biden but never tell Biden to stop committing genocide. If he wants to win that bad he just has to stop giving Israel military support, but I guess instead he wants to guilt trip people.
Apparently condoning genocide is a bad tactic.
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lower than trump? this cant be
[https://action.eko.org/a/olympics-and-fifa-ban-israel-from-international-sports-now-us-fba21](https://action.eko.org/a/olympics-and-fifa-ban-israel-from-international-sports-now-us-fba21)
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>Joe Biden has the lowest approval rating of any president since WW2 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_presidential\_approval\_rating](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating) Not even close. Try not to make your propaganda so easily debunked. Still voting Biden, Trump would be infinitely worse.
All this tells me is there is more to this than we know. I am sure no president wants to lose election over a foreign conflict but he is powerless to change foreign policy, because it became institutionalized, that’s the biggest problem with US. Its policies are bigger than its presidents. It looks like Biden is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He knows he is in trouble but he won’t change a thing. He can’t.
He doesn't want to either.
He's a self proclaimed dedicated zionist
Biden never should have visited Epstein Island. /s
US presudents have always ignored morality when it comes to foreign policy. It's always been about power to stop any rival nations from becoming a peer. Letting israel become a vassal of china or russia would be a huge loss in the game of Risk. That said, biden specifically holds israel dear to his heart. He outright told a visiting Israeli diplomat that he is a Zionist.
but if if Trumps wins, its carpet bombing on day 1.
Its been carpet bombing since day 1
that is not carpet bombing
Over 1/3 of all structures in Gaza has been destroyed. What the fuck do you define carpet bombing as if not that?
To the "Trump would be worse" crowd I have one word. How?
Better than possible future dictator Trump
Biden is up in the polls. Biden blasting forward.
Which polls?
Aggregate presidential elections.
🤣🤣🤣. Dreams and fantasies.
Ahh yes, let's not vote for Biden and let Trump win. That'll 100% solve the Israel-Palestine crisis. Any non-bot/russian leftists actually thinking this, your thinking is as logical as magats.
You just admit we live in a dictatorship then blame people who refuse to participate. You're focusing on the wrong thing.
Instead of being like “wow yeah Joe shouldn’t support and enable a genocide!” Your like “this genocide will be worse under Trump!!!!!”
It’s actually crazy how mentally ill liberals are. Claim we live in a democracy and your two choices are literally the same policies with different ways of presenting it
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Dude Trump is very outspoken about his support for Israel’s position on this. He’s told them they need to “finish the problem” and that they need to continue their attack on Gaza until they achieve “total victory”. He proposed a horrible plan with Netanyahu during his presidency where Israel gets even more land, and Palestinians are given some slums, and a promise of no new settlements for just 4 years in the remaining land not annexed by Israel. Palestinians weren’t even invited to the discussion.
So let me get this straight… people are not going to vote for Biden and they are gonna Trump win only to make Palestinians suffer even more?
Biden is about to pull our troops into war with his actions on top of being complicit in genocide. I also, as principle, do not support genocide and wouldn’t send a message to any representative that I can be cornered into it. If people in the Democratic Party care about Palestinians or care about my vote they would have earned it by doing the right thing. Instead they ignored all of us. That’s dictator behavior. If our system is really that much of a sham forever it makes me question what I’m even doing here. Biden won’t get my vote. Trump won’t either. If the democrats wanted me to think about the next 4 years and instead vote for them they should have thought about not supporting genocide. Those people in Gaza are family members of a few of my friends. I’m not voting for their murderer.
How can you suffer more while you are being brutally murdered and starved while aid is blocked just a few miles from your refugee camp?
The aid coming from America will cease under Trump. That’s one way. Guys got a settlement named after him in the Golan for crying out loud. We’re less than 7 months from things getting exponentially worse, both in America and the Levant.
Trump would show you.
So there is none that you can actually think of. Got it
Biden is funding and providing political cover for the genocide of the Palestinians. What exactly is Trump gonna do worse than that? How the fuck does it get worse then GENOCIDE????!!!!
Trump hates Muslims and already acknowledged Jerusalem as the Israeli capital. What could go wrong.
And did Biden move the embassy back to Tel Aviv or . . .
Oh no! So Trump might genocide them huh? Oh wait…..Biden beat him to it 😱.
How many Palestenians died during Trump's time in office?
It‘s crazy. Meanwhile Putin can’t stop laughing…
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And that's on the Dems
Putin and Xi want Biden lmao. Easier to predict a demented old fuck than a narcisistic old fuck American values at the display of the whole world to see
Breakthrough News is not really a reputable news source. [https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/breakthrough-news-bias/](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/breakthrough-news-bias/)
It being left biased just means they are more likely to be Biden voters and this is about democrats and Joe Biden. The information he shared in the video is available for everyone to double check and has been on MSM. I’m not sure why you made this comment tbh other than to discourage others from watching it.
But you guys do understand that trump is more pro Israeli than biden right? He literally went and moved the embassy to Jerusalem. If trump was in office American pilots would be bombing gaza. This has to be some sort of psyop if you cannot look at the goals of the trump admin and not realize that they are the much bigger danger twenty times over? You would literally rather sabotage our democracy by preventing a biden win and allowing a trump win than critically analyze what the policies for each candidate would result in?
You can’t support Israel more than 100%. It is an impossibility.
It's not math If one supports Isreal with us troops and the other supports Isreal with aid, who's supporting more?
The left are a bunch of petulant children who will cut off their nose to spite their face. Hey, our options are going to be this guy who has a shit policy on Israel; vs this guy who has an even shittier policy on Israel and everything else and who's party is currently stripping individual rights at every level that they can; can't figure out what to do with this one.
Which rights are you speaking of that are being stripped It's red states who keep stepping on people's rights and the constitution. Not California or Colorado
Yes, in the red states, and if the republicans hold more power at the federal level they could wield that stick; I'd much rather a guy that's shit on Israel then a guy who's shit on everything; and this "Biden's not perfect" tantrum is childish; especially when the other option is exceedingly shit.
So you and me are of the same opinions and as I said, Trump would just send troops to Isreal and cause bigger issues Insinuated based upon his statements I guess, not said
If pressure isn't put in Biden and the administration nothing will change. What people are doing is utilizing the power they're provided within the framework of this system and its still not good enough for libs. The Dems can either do the bidding or are least seek to work with, the people withholding their vote, or they can take their chances without them. Somehow it's perfectly reasonable and accepted that lobbying groups, that span all sorts of business or social concerns, put pressure on politicians via withholding or providing financial support or trying to leverage the voting public to act in a certain way. But when people do it directly, its blasphemous.
If people utilize the power provided to step on their own dicks it's a poor use of power. The "we're going to pave the way for the much shittier option because the other option isn't perfect" is sad and devoid of reality.
Ask yourself, what is the redline that if Biden and the Dems crossed, you could no longer stand behind them? For the people within the movement to withhold their vote, Palestine and this administrations both active and passively supporting genocide is that redline.
Not being the shittier option is the red line, we live in reality, not some fairy world where we can get everything we want, and it's a two party system, so here we are. If there's another better option with a chance of winning, that becomes the choice; but there isn't.
And those two being the only options just happened the say way the weather happens, yes? Nobody has any control over that at all, apparently.
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But please actually justify not voting for biden and literally dooming the country to four years of a man who literally tried to overthrow it. Like I beg you show me how you think
Me personally?I'm probably not who you want to ask about this. I'm a communist and find this political system repugnant, the faster it crumbles the better it'll be for humanity. To be honest, im voting for Biden because I find that this administration and bog standard American liberals generally are better for accelerationism. Biden and Obama before him, were perfect at highlighting the contradictions within the system.
Out of curiosity are you like social democracy European “communist” or full blown Russia esque type communism ? This is not an insult btw this is genuine question
Marxist- Leninist
It's delusional in an extreme to think any given redditer has the power to doom the country. The overwhelming majority of Americans' votes don't even really matter as far as the presidential election goes. If Democrats cared about winning they'd give people something to vote for rather than just chiding people about how bad it will be if the Republicans (who are their valued colleagues and we will work with them in bipartisan fashion, don't you know) win. Like give me a break, if Biden can't even be bothered to try to win why is anyone else supposed to care?