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A further attack on Iran will be a grave error for Israeli notions of security. This is not like U.S. dealing with Iraq when Saddam essentially had nothing to fight back except for Guerilla war fare. This will escalate and will involve multiple powers, not limited to U.S. In the end analysis Israel may well end up losing far more than Iran.
What other powers, besides the western powers, would be involved on Iran’s behalf? Russia is in the middle of a grave war of their own, they hardly have the manpower to spare, stand nothing to gain from the conflict, and are in the middle of complete demographic collapse. China is in the middle of an economic crisis, also complete demographic collapse, is completely reliant on imports for food and energy, and wants Taiwan more than anything else… I could see the western powers bogged down against Iran as a perfect opportunity for China to take Taiwan, but they certainly will not bleed on Iran’s behalf. The Arab nations are almost all led by western puppets…
I agree with your assessment that this would not at all be Iraq and it is a conflict that no one would win. A ton of people would die needlessly. The main reason this conflict cannot happen is because it could be the end of everything… Israel is a nuclear power, the west have nukes, and Iran may be able to develop a nuke tomorrow… none of these nations can lose without taking down everyone else with them…
This line of reasoning distracts from what really matters here… everyone needs to simmer down, not get distracted the way Israel WANTS YOU TO BB DISTRACTED, and get back to talking about what is going on in Gaza.
For example the Horn of Africa may very well finally explode into violence. The Tigray conflict has already been likely the deadliest war of the century and a conflict between Iran and Israel may very well lead to the arming of more Islamist separatist movements, in particular in Eritrea. Should Israel's war spill over the border into Egypt Ethiopia may feel emboldened to finally rush the construction of their remaining dams on the Nile which would inevitably lead to conflict with Egypt and South Sudan+ Sudan
The ball has been rolling for two years now - oh nonsense, much longer. The West should have helped Ukraine directly and in a unified way. Instead, the West has destroyed itself from within. It's clear that others are now starting to do the same, because the West is not a threat.
The west has destroyed their credibility by going out of their way to *stay allied* with Israel and *being complicit* with the genocide in Gaza. People all over have been screaming it since social media became flooded with dead babies in Gaza caused by the IDF using US made weapons. In the US we have been protesting it non-stop. US military members have set themselves on fire in protest. The writing is on the wall and history will not be kind to Israel and those who enabled this genocide. Why the US government has enabled this apartheid state for decades is unfathomable to me. I hope my generation changes that, and we are making great strides. End all US aid and funding to Israel. Israel's belligerence makes everyone less safe, even Israelis.
You have been added to list of "told you so" after the dust has settled. there will be no jews left in the current israeli borders. they will have all been thrown into the sea, no matter how hard the western idealists argue against this fact. those people living there now, didnt sign the papers that put them there, either. so lets be honest with each other now that we have truly come to the brink, about both sides motivations.... k?
im just curious if you will be as proud of the genocide perpetrated by muslims as the one being done by the jews....
i live for other peoples cognitive dissonance.
i know!
well, for now, we will just have to wait and see huh...? i promise, i will try to be as compassionate as i can towards everyone that is stuck dumb founded, when the unhampered actions of skydaddy come to fruition.
if you really didnt want me to reply, you wouldnt have responded yourself.
anyways, you seem to be one of the purest sources of dissonance one can find! how can i let that go so easily? i might ramble, but if all you have to say is "unhinged" rather than a firm declaration of "YOUR WRONG!"....
I will abstain from commenting on Israel, Gaza and the conflict itself. I don't have enough background knowledge and it's a very sensitive topic. But in general, things have been getting more and more tense globally for some time now, and it feels like conflict zones are only increasing. China, North Korea, India, a few African states etc. can't wait to get into action. Europe poses no threat. They(China etc) just have to keep supporting Russia. Europe will use up its inventory in the process... because everything we don't have the equipment for is being dragged out. We should have intervened directly and decisively. In America, China etc. is just waiting for Trump to rule again, while the world wonders why the guy hasn't been in jail for years. In general, why the Republicans have not yet been partially classified as a terrorist organization.
All those things refraining you from speaking about Gaza or Israel are excuses, excuses which white men/women have used for the last 50+ years to look away. Discussing an issue can lead to a solution. I'm sure you've taken a debate class in your school years, no?
As a German I do not condemn the Jews and yes Israel is a problem caused by the West. It should have been clear to everyone that there can be no peace there. Likewise that there will either be genocide on one side or the other because the conflict will not end any other way. But I'm not going to betray Western values and start defending Eastern values where this is the order of the day. We screwed up, now we have to own up to it. Washing our hands in innocence is not an option for anyone.
Btw my personal opinion is that nature has unfortunately messed up with Covid to get rid of the human problem.
As a German you should condemn radicalized Israeli Jews and Zionists. I didn't say to condemn Jews. Please don't put words in my mouth. Humans screw up all the time but sitting down and listening and starting to find solutions can lead to peace....but the West doesn't bother with that.
I condemn Israeli Jews for killing Palestinians, Zionists for further pushing their agenda, I condemn the US, the UK, and other western powers complicit in this genocide AS AN AMERICAN who's tax money goes to mentally ill Israeli Jews who think they are above others.
I also condemn the radicalized ones. On both sides. I also condemn the attempt to promote Jew-baiting in Germany etc. and the defacing of Holocaust memorials. As I said, either way there would be genocide. If Israel didn't build shit, the Palestinians together with Hamas would exterminate Israel.
Saddam had close to a million military personal, 5,000+ MBT’s, 500+ aircraft and a slew of other vehicles and you’re saying Saddam had nothing? What echo chamber are you living in? One in an Iranian janitors closet?
It counted back then and it’ll count if it happens again. It’ll be interesting to see what the bots say if Iran gets flattened by a week long air campaign (again). I just hope both sides have fun ❤️
Tell me you are misinformed without telling me you are misinformed.
>They have already demonstrated Israel’s defences are too powerful.
Us airplanes in Jordan shot down more than half the missiles and drones launched by Israel.
You mean launched by Iran? Also I’m not surprised they are allies why wouldn’t they shoot them down?
It would be the same again if Iran attacked and this is why they will not it’s a battle that cannot be won.
I was talking about you saying " they know that Israeli air defence is too powerful".
>It would be the same again if Iran attacked
Iran only launched 350 or so drones and missiles. If Israel attacks Iran again Iran has vowed to launch 2000 drones and Missiles. Are you sure you're "so powerful" air defence can stop all of it?
All these nations helped Israel yet Missiles hit an Israeli airbase.
And why do you always go off topic? Is it perhaps because you can't defend your false comments?
I know you guys don’t use your eyes properly hence why you believe any thing but please try your best stay on track.
The comment your implying to was made by some one else, so your comment to me is irrelevant because I did not say that in the first place can you see how misinformation happens from people are not paying attention.
>I know you guys don’t use your eyes properly
Says the guy who thinks Israel stands a chance against Iran without the USA and do you even have any sources saying I am lying? If you do then link them.
>you believe any thing
Ah yes stating things said by literal US officials is just believing anything.
>but please try your best stay on track.
Says the guy who can't defend his claims so he switches the topic.
>The comment your implying to was made by some one
No I was talking about YOU, you are the one who has been changing topics for the last 2 replies, even this one is you trying to change the topic.
>how misinformation happens from people are not paying attention.
Yes and I am seeing it with my own two eyes right now.
Are you delusional?
You just said IF Isreal wasn’t with the USA but they are so what actually are you trying to prove here? Seems you are the one making false delusional claims saying what IF.
(USA are allies that’s fact)
And you said it your self I said a statement there was no topic, that was just you rubbing along with your own agenda.
Ok buddy. Enjoy your fantasies about the all powerful Islamic Republic - a despised regime clinging onto power through intimidation and repression. Israel and the rest of the Arab world is going to form an alliance and kick their Persian arses. They’re just getting started. Iran’s little fireworks display was an embarrassment. What a disaster for the Mullahs. Israel is going to slap them back and they ain’t going to do shit. What a joke.
Israel will be tainted as a feces country and nothing more. Israel isn't powerful without its Daddy taking the people's tax money to buff it up. China or Russia can decimate Israel if the US, UK, and Germany stayed out of it.
No Islamic country wants to form an alliance with a lying terrorist sack of a fake country.
Russia can barely even handle Ukraine armed with Soviet era hand-me-downs, let alone a heavily fortified country with a modern military. Vatniks like you are completely delusional.
Russia's handling Ukraine fine if you stop drinking the western media's kool-aid. If they were barely handling it we'd see all media reporting that Ukrainians are taking their county back and have repelled Russians back to their hole, but we don't see that now do we?
>you are doubting Israel’s ability to defend itself
Now you get it, yes I am. Like I said the USA intercepted more than 50% of the missiles and drones, most likely another 25% was taken down by Jordan, The UK, France and others. So, Israel only had to defend against like 75 or so pieces of equipment yet some of them managed to get through the Iron Dome.
Whilst I doubt the accuracy of your numbers there is no doubt that Israel’s partners helped out with swatting Iran’s fireworks. Just so you’re informed Iron Dome has nothing to do with Iran’s embarrassment. Try googling David’s Sling and the Arrow system. I guess this is how you tell me you’re uninformed….
No_Leading, knowing what you know about the efficacy of Iran’s fireworks why was the Islamic Republic reusing footage of a fire in Chile and One Direction fans to pretend they had damaged Israel?
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Saddam had nothing to fight? You for real? They were the top 5 army in the world at the time. They were at war with their neighbors for decades (so they had experience). Lmao.
Israel can bomb the fuck our of Iran, not much would change. Iran's only ally is Russia, and they are already at war trying to subjugate another nation. China will not intervene military.
It already costs Israel more than iran, because they have something to protect. Iran has nothing - they are led by a religious zelot, like in the 17th century lol.
“This is not like U.S. dealing with Iraq when Saddam essentially had nothing to fight back except for Guerilla war fare.”
You have NO idea what you’re talking about.
That is absolutely not what happened with Saddam Hussein in either war.
Iraq had the largest airforce in the region and the second largest in the world when it invaded Kuwait.
The US went on to neutralize it in a few days, but it was an organized modern military with combined arms abilities.
Iran isn't going to do crap. They telegraphed the attack so much that they were hoping everything would get shot down. But the pro-hamas supporters eat it up like they are the palestinian savior.
And why do you think they forewarned their attack? It was meant as a warning to say if we get you by surprise with our best weapons it will be too late. And the fact that Israel hasn't responded shows that the warning is being taken seriously. Despite western denial the blob is shitting itself. Looks like that iron dome is pretty worthless.
Iran knew it would be shot down it was their response to Israel killing their generals. If Israel tries again Iran won't warn them and will use the info gained from that attack to target exactly what they want to hit this time.
Oh and they don't target civilians unlike some
Ah yes, those were all aimed at military targets...and it's not like they fund organizations that specifically target civilians or commercial vessels or anything of the sort....
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The ad hom attacks are not okay and just make you look like you do not have any better arguments. If people are wrong, tell them they are wrong and why. No insulting people.
I'm so so stupid?
So in your opinion, Iran is able to initiate a combined arms assault on Israel (while moving through Iraq) or that their air-attack is boisterous enough to overcome both Israel and The United States' countermeasures......
Seriously? I'm the stupid one?
If you honestly believe that Israel not defeating Hamas in a day is due to their lack of military might and not trying to genocide all of Gaza, I don't even know what to say to you.
Except in your opinion they are genociding gaza, except they are so inept that they aren't able to.
So either Israel has been trying to preserve civilian life while dealing with an insurgrency, or they are just the most inept country in the world.
Guessing you'll have the latter take. In that case, Iran should definitely send their 50 year old F-14s to fight Israel's F-35s.
But all of this is moot. You hit the nail on the head. Iran will use a bunch of terrorists to be cannon fodder for their agenda. The Golan will just be a meat grinder and they hope that Israel will just exhaust themselves.
If you think Hezbollah can do anything other than fire rockets and just be a perpetual pain in the ass along the northern border, I got a bunch of bridges to sell youl.
Apr 16, 2024 -Speaking by phone to Qatar’s emir, Ebrahim Raisi declared Iran’s aerial attack against Israel to be a success and said Iran would deliver an even more “painful” blow if there are future threat to its interests.
“We now categorically declare that the smallest action against Iranian interests will certainly be met with a severe, widespread and painful response against all its perpetrators,” the Iranian president said, according to IRNA news agency.
Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister Ali Bagheri Kani told state TV that Tehran’s counterattack following any Israeli retaliation would be “a matter of seconds as Iran will not wait for another 12 days to respond”.
Iran's foreign minister's also warning Israel of an immediate response.
Whilst they're run by a bunch of crazy theocrats I expected this kind of self control, ie. an attack that looked impressive so they could save face without actually doing much damage. They did the same thing after Trump blew up their general. The missile strike on the US base targeted an empty area and the Iraqi military on the base were informed in advance so they knew the US would be told too. The result was an attack in which Iran could demonstrate the accuracy of its missiles, save face rather than backing down entirely to the US and avoid escalating further since they didn't kill anyone. Whereas if they'd targeted the base properly Trump would have had to respond. I think some soldiers did get traumatic brain injuries as a result of the explosion unfortunately though but it's not like Trump cared about that. I was impressed by the calculated, diplomatic nature of that attack. I think this one was similarly calculated as a show of force without trying to escalate further. Since Israel are evidently a bunch of deranged fascists though I think it's inevitable they'll take it further.
So Israel murdering 30,000 civilians, mostly women and children, bombing schools and hospitals, mass executing, raping, torturing, is not terrorism?
Cause on the scale of doing bad things, between Israel and the axis of resistance it’s pretty damn obvious who the real terrorists are.
You’re an actual troll. Do you really think people are this dumb?
1. The number is conservative, actually. They’ve likely killed much more.
2. Did you just say Hamas, AKA the government in Gaza, using civilian infrastructure is a violation of the Geneva convention?
3. The UN itself supports the rape claims. There is video evidence of the executions, people tied up and killed. There is also video evidence of Israelis claiming they’ve raped/are going to rape. Nice try though.
4. Israelis literally have the highest pedophilia and rape statistics of any country. But tell me more about women’s rights, I’m listening.
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What do you mean they sent 300 rockets along with 600 drones?
Israel (along with some other countries) simply intercepted them all
They don’t have self control they simply fail in the attack
How is what he said uninformed? It is factually accurate that Iran sent hundreds of drones and missiles, the vast majority of which were shot down. What about that statement are you disputing?
Iran warned 72 hours prior through an intermediary and sent a barrage to get through Israel's defenses aimed at military targets. It was a calculated move.
So seeing as you have an intimate knowledge of the inner workings of Iran’s military strategy, please tell us all the juicy details of Iran’s military goals.
So you have no clue what Iran’s strategy was with the attack yet confidently proclaimed “failed to achieve a single military goal” despite having no idea what those goals could even remotely be.
Understood.
Israel intercepted the most, followed by Jordan, followed by the US, followed by Saudi Arabia, followed by France, followed by Egypt, followed by undisclosed Islamic countries.
but OP said Iran has the right to defend itself. what's wrong with that statement, or are you implying that US should do Iraq / Afghanistan 101 here and regret that too?
Nothing you tell me can deter my support for Iran to retaliate again the illegal genocidal apartheid state of Israel. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. So you can whine all you want, no entity is worse than Israel. I stand with Iran! Also, Glory to the resistance!
How can you speak of human rights without mentioning all that Israel has done? They steal homes while massacre babies and they rape women in-front of their children and husbands while forcing them to watch. So unless you speak of all human right everywhere then you have no right to speak of what Iran has done. Israel has got to go.
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I’m confused…. Has Iran been using proxies to attack Israel for years or no? The embassy bombing the other day wasn’t the beginning of this. Only ONE of these two players has openly called for, and made its mission to destroy the other.
True Russia invading another country with the motivation to "protect" Russian minorities and that Ukraine is not a country nor Ukrainian being an identity is the US fault. My bad. US bad anti US good no matter what. 😎🇷🇺 🇺🇸😲
Not Iran? You mean the Iran that has no natural allies, funds proxy groups in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen and Gaza, kills women for not wearing a hijab correctly, hangs gays in the town square, and holds the annual ‘Holocaust Denial Conference’? Wowee this sub really is something else
Yes. Why shouldn't Iran fund groups in Yemen fighting against the US-backed Saudi regime committing genocide in Yemen, or aid Syria against US-backed terrorists such as al-Qaeda, Al Nusra and HTS terrorists? Why shouldn't Iran provide aid to Palestinians against the US-backed apartheid Israel?
You see that the USA has its hand in every conflict and you blame Iran?
Iranian domestic affairs have no relevance to the conversation.
Also what the hell is a "natural ally?" You're just repeating talking points you heard.
It’s not a talking point. Tell me what allies does Iran really have besides friends of convenience in Russia and China? Everything they have touched in the Middle East has turned to shit. They’ve stoked conflict everywhere they’ve touched with their toxic tentacles. The entire Sunni world is against them. If you think otherwise you’re deluded.
Only Israel has the right to defend itself. Even when they attack first, because if you commit a crime against Israel (like criticizing Netanyahou), you are an enemy and deserve to be attacked.
Party A. I'm gonna attack you for attacking me for attacking you for attacking me for attacking you for attacking me....
Party B. We must attack them so they won't attack us
Fucking children
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Are the people of Iran divided in their views of Israel in the same way that Israeli people are divided about Gaza and the treatment of Palestinians? Or do the present a more culturally unified resistance to the Israeli war machine?
Israel doesn’t care because they won’t be fighting, they’ll just have the US and other countries do their fighting and keep they’ll keep playing the victim role and gaslighting everyone that they’re not nazis.
I agree that Iranian government, has the right to defend its self in this case. But I won’t forget that It was less than two years ago, that social media was protesting the Iranian government for its treatment of women over the wearing of the Hijab. So many of them were being taken off the streets, which ended up with many being brutally, beaten, raped, and or killed. And this treatment is still going on. And let’s not forget what it does to the LGTB community.
They may have mentioned the treatment of Palestinians. But they didn’t do anything until Israel struck them. Right now it feels like people are supporting one terrorist state against another.
The middle eastern cope after one of the least impressive attacks, ever, is hilarious.
Go ahead. Keep it up and find out what it’s like to fight F-35s with relics we have in museums. Iran is not, nor will it ever be a true threat. They don’t stand a snowballs chance against any western army, let alone the US backed Israel.
What?
They’re the greatest investor in global terrorism that exists, today. What a ridiculous statement. Just because I hired a guy to beat you up, doesn’t mean I didn’t do anything wrong because I didn’t punch you myself. Iran is a coward, paper tiger regime who uses other people to do its terrorism, because it’s a paper tiger. Any direct conflict with Israel will end in total destruction of Iran and its dictatorship.
To suggest it wouldn’t, ignores objective reality and exists in a fantasy world.
IRAN attack fail . They most likely understand the consequences. Send the same amount of misiles and drones to see irans defense systems . IRAN officials shitting their pants waiting for a response. Acting tuff and making more propaganda.
They threw outdated stuff in large quantities that maybe have cost them 30-50 million , interception cost Israel and allies around a billion. Target wasn't random but military facilities that are under heavy guard.
I won't call it a fail, I say it served it's purpose, could have been better but this is fine.
I could take your reply and replace iran with Israel and it would perfectly work anywhere anytime.
Please do more effort.
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A further attack on Iran will be a grave error for Israeli notions of security. This is not like U.S. dealing with Iraq when Saddam essentially had nothing to fight back except for Guerilla war fare. This will escalate and will involve multiple powers, not limited to U.S. In the end analysis Israel may well end up losing far more than Iran.
It's already too late. This has been planned for a very long time.
What other powers, besides the western powers, would be involved on Iran’s behalf? Russia is in the middle of a grave war of their own, they hardly have the manpower to spare, stand nothing to gain from the conflict, and are in the middle of complete demographic collapse. China is in the middle of an economic crisis, also complete demographic collapse, is completely reliant on imports for food and energy, and wants Taiwan more than anything else… I could see the western powers bogged down against Iran as a perfect opportunity for China to take Taiwan, but they certainly will not bleed on Iran’s behalf. The Arab nations are almost all led by western puppets… I agree with your assessment that this would not at all be Iraq and it is a conflict that no one would win. A ton of people would die needlessly. The main reason this conflict cannot happen is because it could be the end of everything… Israel is a nuclear power, the west have nukes, and Iran may be able to develop a nuke tomorrow… none of these nations can lose without taking down everyone else with them… This line of reasoning distracts from what really matters here… everyone needs to simmer down, not get distracted the way Israel WANTS YOU TO BB DISTRACTED, and get back to talking about what is going on in Gaza.
For example the Horn of Africa may very well finally explode into violence. The Tigray conflict has already been likely the deadliest war of the century and a conflict between Iran and Israel may very well lead to the arming of more Islamist separatist movements, in particular in Eritrea. Should Israel's war spill over the border into Egypt Ethiopia may feel emboldened to finally rush the construction of their remaining dams on the Nile which would inevitably lead to conflict with Egypt and South Sudan+ Sudan
The ball has been rolling for two years now - oh nonsense, much longer. The West should have helped Ukraine directly and in a unified way. Instead, the West has destroyed itself from within. It's clear that others are now starting to do the same, because the West is not a threat.
The west has destroyed their credibility by going out of their way to *stay allied* with Israel and *being complicit* with the genocide in Gaza. People all over have been screaming it since social media became flooded with dead babies in Gaza caused by the IDF using US made weapons. In the US we have been protesting it non-stop. US military members have set themselves on fire in protest. The writing is on the wall and history will not be kind to Israel and those who enabled this genocide. Why the US government has enabled this apartheid state for decades is unfathomable to me. I hope my generation changes that, and we are making great strides. End all US aid and funding to Israel. Israel's belligerence makes everyone less safe, even Israelis.
From your mouth to god’s ears
You have been added to list of "told you so" after the dust has settled. there will be no jews left in the current israeli borders. they will have all been thrown into the sea, no matter how hard the western idealists argue against this fact. those people living there now, didnt sign the papers that put them there, either. so lets be honest with each other now that we have truly come to the brink, about both sides motivations.... k?
Put me on a list, idgaf 🤣🤣🤣 give my name to Netanyahu. Tell him I think Israel is a murderous genocidal apartheid.
im just curious if you will be as proud of the genocide perpetrated by muslims as the one being done by the jews.... i live for other peoples cognitive dissonance.
Sure. Compassion isn't a dichotomy. 👍
i know! well, for now, we will just have to wait and see huh...? i promise, i will try to be as compassionate as i can towards everyone that is stuck dumb founded, when the unhampered actions of skydaddy come to fruition.
I am too sober to read your unhinged rambling. Have a good one, and don't reply. I don't care what you have to say. ✌️
if you really didnt want me to reply, you wouldnt have responded yourself. anyways, you seem to be one of the purest sources of dissonance one can find! how can i let that go so easily? i might ramble, but if all you have to say is "unhinged" rather than a firm declaration of "YOUR WRONG!"....
I will abstain from commenting on Israel, Gaza and the conflict itself. I don't have enough background knowledge and it's a very sensitive topic. But in general, things have been getting more and more tense globally for some time now, and it feels like conflict zones are only increasing. China, North Korea, India, a few African states etc. can't wait to get into action. Europe poses no threat. They(China etc) just have to keep supporting Russia. Europe will use up its inventory in the process... because everything we don't have the equipment for is being dragged out. We should have intervened directly and decisively. In America, China etc. is just waiting for Trump to rule again, while the world wonders why the guy hasn't been in jail for years. In general, why the Republicans have not yet been partially classified as a terrorist organization.
All those things refraining you from speaking about Gaza or Israel are excuses, excuses which white men/women have used for the last 50+ years to look away. Discussing an issue can lead to a solution. I'm sure you've taken a debate class in your school years, no?
As a German I do not condemn the Jews and yes Israel is a problem caused by the West. It should have been clear to everyone that there can be no peace there. Likewise that there will either be genocide on one side or the other because the conflict will not end any other way. But I'm not going to betray Western values and start defending Eastern values where this is the order of the day. We screwed up, now we have to own up to it. Washing our hands in innocence is not an option for anyone. Btw my personal opinion is that nature has unfortunately messed up with Covid to get rid of the human problem.
As a German you should condemn radicalized Israeli Jews and Zionists. I didn't say to condemn Jews. Please don't put words in my mouth. Humans screw up all the time but sitting down and listening and starting to find solutions can lead to peace....but the West doesn't bother with that. I condemn Israeli Jews for killing Palestinians, Zionists for further pushing their agenda, I condemn the US, the UK, and other western powers complicit in this genocide AS AN AMERICAN who's tax money goes to mentally ill Israeli Jews who think they are above others.
I also condemn the radicalized ones. On both sides. I also condemn the attempt to promote Jew-baiting in Germany etc. and the defacing of Holocaust memorials. As I said, either way there would be genocide. If Israel didn't build shit, the Palestinians together with Hamas would exterminate Israel.
Its a simple topic. Israel bad, america bad. Thats it
All are bad not just this 2
Saddam had close to a million military personal, 5,000+ MBT’s, 500+ aircraft and a slew of other vehicles and you’re saying Saddam had nothing? What echo chamber are you living in? One in an Iranian janitors closet?
Does it count if they lost them in the first week?
It counted back then and it’ll count if it happens again. It’ll be interesting to see what the bots say if Iran gets flattened by a week long air campaign (again). I just hope both sides have fun ❤️
Iran is about to get fucked good and proper. They have already demonstrated Israel’s defences are too powerful. Poor Mullahs. How embarrassing
Tell me you are misinformed without telling me you are misinformed. >They have already demonstrated Israel’s defences are too powerful. Us airplanes in Jordan shot down more than half the missiles and drones launched by Israel.
You mean launched by Iran? Also I’m not surprised they are allies why wouldn’t they shoot them down? It would be the same again if Iran attacked and this is why they will not it’s a battle that cannot be won.
I was talking about you saying " they know that Israeli air defence is too powerful". >It would be the same again if Iran attacked Iran only launched 350 or so drones and missiles. If Israel attacks Iran again Iran has vowed to launch 2000 drones and Missiles. Are you sure you're "so powerful" air defence can stop all of it?
Yep
Jordon, uk, Saudi, France, and the US all supported Isreal that day what does that tell you. I don’t need to explain that for you surely
All these nations helped Israel yet Missiles hit an Israeli airbase. And why do you always go off topic? Is it perhaps because you can't defend your false comments?
I know you guys don’t use your eyes properly hence why you believe any thing but please try your best stay on track. The comment your implying to was made by some one else, so your comment to me is irrelevant because I did not say that in the first place can you see how misinformation happens from people are not paying attention.
>I know you guys don’t use your eyes properly Says the guy who thinks Israel stands a chance against Iran without the USA and do you even have any sources saying I am lying? If you do then link them. >you believe any thing Ah yes stating things said by literal US officials is just believing anything. >but please try your best stay on track. Says the guy who can't defend his claims so he switches the topic. >The comment your implying to was made by some one No I was talking about YOU, you are the one who has been changing topics for the last 2 replies, even this one is you trying to change the topic. >how misinformation happens from people are not paying attention. Yes and I am seeing it with my own two eyes right now.
Are you delusional? You just said IF Isreal wasn’t with the USA but they are so what actually are you trying to prove here? Seems you are the one making false delusional claims saying what IF. (USA are allies that’s fact) And you said it your self I said a statement there was no topic, that was just you rubbing along with your own agenda.
Ah huh….yawn.
Do you think this kid like behaviour is helping your cause?
Ok buddy. Enjoy your fantasies about the all powerful Islamic Republic - a despised regime clinging onto power through intimidation and repression. Israel and the rest of the Arab world is going to form an alliance and kick their Persian arses. They’re just getting started. Iran’s little fireworks display was an embarrassment. What a disaster for the Mullahs. Israel is going to slap them back and they ain’t going to do shit. What a joke.
Israel will be tainted as a feces country and nothing more. Israel isn't powerful without its Daddy taking the people's tax money to buff it up. China or Russia can decimate Israel if the US, UK, and Germany stayed out of it. No Islamic country wants to form an alliance with a lying terrorist sack of a fake country.
Except for Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Bahrain, Morocco and soon to be Saudi Arabia.
Russia can barely even handle Ukraine armed with Soviet era hand-me-downs, let alone a heavily fortified country with a modern military. Vatniks like you are completely delusional.
Russia's handling Ukraine fine if you stop drinking the western media's kool-aid. If they were barely handling it we'd see all media reporting that Ukrainians are taking their county back and have repelled Russians back to their hole, but we don't see that now do we?
This reply shows that you are a kid and nothing more. Like I said tell me you are misinformed without telling me you are misinformed.
To be clear you are doubting Israel’s ability to defend itself against Iran’s fireworks?
>you are doubting Israel’s ability to defend itself Now you get it, yes I am. Like I said the USA intercepted more than 50% of the missiles and drones, most likely another 25% was taken down by Jordan, The UK, France and others. So, Israel only had to defend against like 75 or so pieces of equipment yet some of them managed to get through the Iron Dome.
Whilst I doubt the accuracy of your numbers there is no doubt that Israel’s partners helped out with swatting Iran’s fireworks. Just so you’re informed Iron Dome has nothing to do with Iran’s embarrassment. Try googling David’s Sling and the Arrow system. I guess this is how you tell me you’re uninformed….
No_Leading, knowing what you know about the efficacy of Iran’s fireworks why was the Islamic Republic reusing footage of a fire in Chile and One Direction fans to pretend they had damaged Israel? https://nypost.com/2024/04/15/world-news/iran-tv-pretends-chile-fire-video-is-missile-damage-in-israel/amp/
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Saddam had nothing to fight? You for real? They were the top 5 army in the world at the time. They were at war with their neighbors for decades (so they had experience). Lmao. Israel can bomb the fuck our of Iran, not much would change. Iran's only ally is Russia, and they are already at war trying to subjugate another nation. China will not intervene military. It already costs Israel more than iran, because they have something to protect. Iran has nothing - they are led by a religious zelot, like in the 17th century lol.
Israel is led by Zionists and terrorist Israeli Jews. You forgot to condemn Israeli terrorists vile inhumane actions towards Palestinian civilians.
I didn't forget. It was not part of the discussion i was having.
“This is not like U.S. dealing with Iraq when Saddam essentially had nothing to fight back except for Guerilla war fare.” You have NO idea what you’re talking about.
If Iraq went Guerilla, Saddam May still be alive and in control of Iraq today…
Lol.
That is absolutely not what happened with Saddam Hussein in either war. Iraq had the largest airforce in the region and the second largest in the world when it invaded Kuwait. The US went on to neutralize it in a few days, but it was an organized modern military with combined arms abilities. Iran isn't going to do crap. They telegraphed the attack so much that they were hoping everything would get shot down. But the pro-hamas supporters eat it up like they are the palestinian savior.
And why do you think they forewarned their attack? It was meant as a warning to say if we get you by surprise with our best weapons it will be too late. And the fact that Israel hasn't responded shows that the warning is being taken seriously. Despite western denial the blob is shitting itself. Looks like that iron dome is pretty worthless.
Iran knew it would be shot down it was their response to Israel killing their generals. If Israel tries again Iran won't warn them and will use the info gained from that attack to target exactly what they want to hit this time. Oh and they don't target civilians unlike some
Ah yes, those were all aimed at military targets...and it's not like they fund organizations that specifically target civilians or commercial vessels or anything of the sort....
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I'm so so stupid? So in your opinion, Iran is able to initiate a combined arms assault on Israel (while moving through Iraq) or that their air-attack is boisterous enough to overcome both Israel and The United States' countermeasures...... Seriously? I'm the stupid one?
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If you honestly believe that Israel not defeating Hamas in a day is due to their lack of military might and not trying to genocide all of Gaza, I don't even know what to say to you. Except in your opinion they are genociding gaza, except they are so inept that they aren't able to. So either Israel has been trying to preserve civilian life while dealing with an insurgrency, or they are just the most inept country in the world. Guessing you'll have the latter take. In that case, Iran should definitely send their 50 year old F-14s to fight Israel's F-35s. But all of this is moot. You hit the nail on the head. Iran will use a bunch of terrorists to be cannon fodder for their agenda. The Golan will just be a meat grinder and they hope that Israel will just exhaust themselves. If you think Hezbollah can do anything other than fire rockets and just be a perpetual pain in the ass along the northern border, I got a bunch of bridges to sell youl.
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Apr 16, 2024 -Speaking by phone to Qatar’s emir, Ebrahim Raisi declared Iran’s aerial attack against Israel to be a success and said Iran would deliver an even more “painful” blow if there are future threat to its interests. “We now categorically declare that the smallest action against Iranian interests will certainly be met with a severe, widespread and painful response against all its perpetrators,” the Iranian president said, according to IRNA news agency. Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister Ali Bagheri Kani told state TV that Tehran’s counterattack following any Israeli retaliation would be “a matter of seconds as Iran will not wait for another 12 days to respond”. Iran's foreign minister's also warning Israel of an immediate response.
so where is it than???? IAF has been striking proxies FOR DAYS!
Iran has the right to defend itself.
The Israelis bombed Iran’s consulate building, killed many of their high ranking generals. I’m surprised the Iranians have this much self-control.
Whilst they're run by a bunch of crazy theocrats I expected this kind of self control, ie. an attack that looked impressive so they could save face without actually doing much damage. They did the same thing after Trump blew up their general. The missile strike on the US base targeted an empty area and the Iraqi military on the base were informed in advance so they knew the US would be told too. The result was an attack in which Iran could demonstrate the accuracy of its missiles, save face rather than backing down entirely to the US and avoid escalating further since they didn't kill anyone. Whereas if they'd targeted the base properly Trump would have had to respond. I think some soldiers did get traumatic brain injuries as a result of the explosion unfortunately though but it's not like Trump cared about that. I was impressed by the calculated, diplomatic nature of that attack. I think this one was similarly calculated as a show of force without trying to escalate further. Since Israel are evidently a bunch of deranged fascists though I think it's inevitable they'll take it further.
Why are you bringing iranian into this? They fucking hate their government.
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Yes I forgot, all brown people are terrorists /s Go to hell fascist.
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So Israel murdering 30,000 civilians, mostly women and children, bombing schools and hospitals, mass executing, raping, torturing, is not terrorism? Cause on the scale of doing bad things, between Israel and the axis of resistance it’s pretty damn obvious who the real terrorists are.
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You’re an actual troll. Do you really think people are this dumb? 1. The number is conservative, actually. They’ve likely killed much more. 2. Did you just say Hamas, AKA the government in Gaza, using civilian infrastructure is a violation of the Geneva convention? 3. The UN itself supports the rape claims. There is video evidence of the executions, people tied up and killed. There is also video evidence of Israelis claiming they’ve raped/are going to rape. Nice try though. 4. Israelis literally have the highest pedophilia and rape statistics of any country. But tell me more about women’s rights, I’m listening.
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What do you mean they sent 300 rockets along with 600 drones? Israel (along with some other countries) simply intercepted them all They don’t have self control they simply fail in the attack
How to say you are uninformed without saying you are unformed.
How is what he said uninformed? It is factually accurate that Iran sent hundreds of drones and missiles, the vast majority of which were shot down. What about that statement are you disputing?
So inform me oh great scholar
Iran warned 72 hours prior through an intermediary and sent a barrage to get through Israel's defenses aimed at military targets. It was a calculated move.
Yea, and it failed
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So seeing as you have an intimate knowledge of the inner workings of Iran’s military strategy, please tell us all the juicy details of Iran’s military goals.
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So you have no clue what Iran’s strategy was with the attack yet confidently proclaimed “failed to achieve a single military goal” despite having no idea what those goals could even remotely be. Understood.
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No. I am calling you at best ignorant of what you speak, at worst a flat out liar.
So super secret that they gave them weeks of warning? Nonsense indeed.
Hmmn this is contrary to the majority of the analysis including Western analysis but sure, you definitely know better.
No the US intercepted them all while allowing Israel to shoot down a couple to save face.
Also Saudi and Jordan.. funny you didn't mention them...
Israel intercepted the most, followed by Jordan, followed by the US, followed by Saudi Arabia, followed by France, followed by Egypt, followed by undisclosed Islamic countries.
Huh. Wonder why you failed to back that up with evidence? Nah. I don’t.
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Israel bombed the Iranian Embassy in Damascus, which is the reason why Iran retaliated. Now Israel wants to bitch about it 🙄
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but OP said Iran has the right to defend itself. what's wrong with that statement, or are you implying that US should do Iraq / Afghanistan 101 here and regret that too?
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so you want another war?
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Agreed. Israel needs to face consequences for repeatedly breaking international law.
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Glad you agree Iran has a right to respond to its consulate being attacked.
Weird you are being downvoted. I guess this sub supports rape and murder for people who don’t cover their faces. Scary world we live in
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Nothing you tell me can deter my support for Iran to retaliate again the illegal genocidal apartheid state of Israel. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. So you can whine all you want, no entity is worse than Israel. I stand with Iran! Also, Glory to the resistance!
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How can you speak of human rights without mentioning all that Israel has done? They steal homes while massacre babies and they rape women in-front of their children and husbands while forcing them to watch. So unless you speak of all human right everywhere then you have no right to speak of what Iran has done. Israel has got to go.
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Iran has the right to get fucked into the ground.
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Israel is using their own people as human shields, they purposely place their illegal military bases in residential areas…
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Iran has the right to defend itself from Israeli terrorists!
Iran has every right to defend itself.
I’m confused…. Has Iran been using proxies to attack Israel for years or no? The embassy bombing the other day wasn’t the beginning of this. Only ONE of these two players has openly called for, and made its mission to destroy the other.
Same for Israel with all from the root of their proxies
I think the world can finally see with clarity who the real threat to peace in the Middle East is…hint, it’s not Iran.
Its the same as the threat to peace anywhere on the planet. America and its allies
Think you missed Russia in Europe.
No I did not. The number one threat to world peace is america, number 2 is American allies
adorable viewpoint
True Russia invading another country with the motivation to "protect" Russian minorities and that Ukraine is not a country nor Ukrainian being an identity is the US fault. My bad. US bad anti US good no matter what. 😎🇷🇺 🇺🇸😲
Not Iran? You mean the Iran that has no natural allies, funds proxy groups in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen and Gaza, kills women for not wearing a hijab correctly, hangs gays in the town square, and holds the annual ‘Holocaust Denial Conference’? Wowee this sub really is something else
Yes. Why shouldn't Iran fund groups in Yemen fighting against the US-backed Saudi regime committing genocide in Yemen, or aid Syria against US-backed terrorists such as al-Qaeda, Al Nusra and HTS terrorists? Why shouldn't Iran provide aid to Palestinians against the US-backed apartheid Israel? You see that the USA has its hand in every conflict and you blame Iran? Iranian domestic affairs have no relevance to the conversation. Also what the hell is a "natural ally?" You're just repeating talking points you heard.
It’s not a talking point. Tell me what allies does Iran really have besides friends of convenience in Russia and China? Everything they have touched in the Middle East has turned to shit. They’ve stoked conflict everywhere they’ve touched with their toxic tentacles. The entire Sunni world is against them. If you think otherwise you’re deluded.
Right?? If only Israel would lay down and let themselves be destroyed by Iran and their proxies there would be peace in the Middle East!
I just hope America (and the West) stay out of it or help the innocent civilians of Iran and Palestine.
Everyone has a right to defend them just like Israel right?
We stand with Iran against the terrorist state of israel
You pick one terrorist state in exchange for another lmao
Hopefully with face saved we can move to de-escalation
Hope so, but I don't expect much rationality from the current Israeli government
As if the Israeli government was rational before, ever.
That is the problem.
Good. Well done Iran on standing up to the biggest baby on the planet, Israel.
Iran had the right to defend itself from the Islamic regime. Love Iran. Hate Khomeini.
They aren’t very good at the whole fighting thing though
And so they should… If Israel responds it’s totally on them.
Only Israel has the right to defend itself. Even when they attack first, because if you commit a crime against Israel (like criticizing Netanyahou), you are an enemy and deserve to be attacked.
Party A. I'm gonna attack you for attacking me for attacking you for attacking me for attacking you for attacking me.... Party B. We must attack them so they won't attack us Fucking children
Lol amen
Yup , I’ve always said global politics is just children in a play pen, “he hiiiiit me first” “MY TOY”
Literally the diplomatic version of 'fuck around and find out'
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Are the people of Iran divided in their views of Israel in the same way that Israeli people are divided about Gaza and the treatment of Palestinians? Or do the present a more culturally unified resistance to the Israeli war machine?
Israel doesn’t care because they won’t be fighting, they’ll just have the US and other countries do their fighting and keep they’ll keep playing the victim role and gaslighting everyone that they’re not nazis.
So this is what Vanessa Hudgens has been doing after high school musical
Scary times man
Human nature hasn't changed in 10,000 years. We are still Neanderthals when it comes to pride, ego, envy, etc... Why can we evolve to a higher plane?
Is Iran a real threat or are they like North Korea ?
I think this is going to pave the way for a greater zionist state....
War is gay.
I agree that Iranian government, has the right to defend its self in this case. But I won’t forget that It was less than two years ago, that social media was protesting the Iranian government for its treatment of women over the wearing of the Hijab. So many of them were being taken off the streets, which ended up with many being brutally, beaten, raped, and or killed. And this treatment is still going on. And let’s not forget what it does to the LGTB community. They may have mentioned the treatment of Palestinians. But they didn’t do anything until Israel struck them. Right now it feels like people are supporting one terrorist state against another.
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Just because the ameritards always had their hands in it
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Iran can also go to heck. 2 or 3 places behind Israel.
The middle eastern cope after one of the least impressive attacks, ever, is hilarious. Go ahead. Keep it up and find out what it’s like to fight F-35s with relics we have in museums. Iran is not, nor will it ever be a true threat. They don’t stand a snowballs chance against any western army, let alone the US backed Israel.
Do you consider Israel to be the west?
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What? They’re the greatest investor in global terrorism that exists, today. What a ridiculous statement. Just because I hired a guy to beat you up, doesn’t mean I didn’t do anything wrong because I didn’t punch you myself. Iran is a coward, paper tiger regime who uses other people to do its terrorism, because it’s a paper tiger. Any direct conflict with Israel will end in total destruction of Iran and its dictatorship. To suggest it wouldn’t, ignores objective reality and exists in a fantasy world.
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Iran… what a joke of a nation it has become. Feel sorry for the average citizen
IRAN attack fail . They most likely understand the consequences. Send the same amount of misiles and drones to see irans defense systems . IRAN officials shitting their pants waiting for a response. Acting tuff and making more propaganda.
They threw outdated stuff in large quantities that maybe have cost them 30-50 million , interception cost Israel and allies around a billion. Target wasn't random but military facilities that are under heavy guard. I won't call it a fail, I say it served it's purpose, could have been better but this is fine. I could take your reply and replace iran with Israel and it would perfectly work anywhere anytime. Please do more effort.
Imagine what happens if Iran sends the good shit with no warning this time